Please don't slap me if this has been shared before...
I just reconfigured my PR checker and no PR is showing available?
Is it being hidden?
I cross checked all the other main sites being discussed in the algo line-up and none of their's seems to be negatively affected, but HP is unavailable (as per google toolbar)?!?
I noticed it yesterday, when it seemed to drop from PR4 to zero but it came back again. I just noticed it happened again today when I saw the post.
It was PageRank 4
It was PageRank 6 pre-algo. Devalued incoming links perhaps? Because PageRank is determined by two things:
a) incoming links
b) site speed
And nothing has happened with the site speed. Although I have watched sites lose PageRank when getting slapped. It is that occurance which makes me think that PageRank DOES play a part in SERPS, and that the method that Google use to manually slap people is to reduce their PageRank.
If that is the case, then we may be seeing a manual knock down, which would be nice because if we get a manual bump back up then we would see things regaining SERPS.
But, who knows. Would be nice to get my first Excerptz PageRank boost.
Just to set the record straight, both points are false, if you are talking about a site. When you are talking about a page, only second point is false.
How is PageRank determined on a site basis then Misha?
And yep, b is false
I was duped by hundreds of headlines saying stuff like "Google Incorporates Site Speed Into PageRank Calculation" and "Low website speed will lower your SEO page rank"
Serves me right for not delving deeper, it related on to search rankings not PageRank, it seems that many people confuse the two (search for: 'PageRank Site Speed' for evidence of that). I have spent 3 months firmly believing that PageRank is now affected by site speed.... silly me.
Yep, most people mix the two badly.
The first point may be not false based on how you meant it, but looking at the context and your subsequent post, I am guessing it must be false. Did you mean "links coming from other sites" or "links coming both from other sites and other pages of the same site" under incoming links?
I did mean external links, but I guess that intenal links play a huge part too. In fact, I know that internal links are counted on the Google toolbar so I guess that I have just had two very silly moments in one.
And I guess that goes back to the theory of internal links being devalued, you lot are just too smart, I'm just a trainee
Maybe we are on the cusp of a major PageRank update post-algo?
I hope that isn't stage two of the assault.
I did not look at any PR for more than a year probably. It is absolutely irrelevant to the amount of money you make.
hubpages alexa rank has been steadily dropping. We are now at 181. That's moved down from 174 a week or two ago.
better start praying for hubpages earnesthub, i would hate to lose all my sparring partners
It is bizarre, indeed. My curiousity is going now...
Well, hopefully it is a glitch.
I appreciate the responses.
I still just dont understand why anyone is paying attention to PR anyway.
We can use it as a general indicator of other important factors when looking at our competition, and then delve in deeper. But alone the metric has been devalued for years!
Well, yes.. It was actually accidental of me to take notice. I typically check PR and other things for competition purposes. Having my own sites has helped me to see that PR is not all that important, depending on the niche...
It just grasped my attention today and I have never noticed a site that has had a high PR showing to go and say it is not available.. so I thought to ask..
I'm still green and trying to understand. Known article directories (of spun content) have a PR4 and ezine a PR7, so I guess it with what I have read here tonight that it does not matter if PR is not showing for a site that had once showed... okay, thank you!
Surely a PageRank fall would support your own algorithm theory though?
If PageRank is determined by extent and quality of external and internal backlinking, and PageRank falls, then that actually explains a fair bit.
It could of course mean that popular sources have been slapped (e.g. Snipsly, SheToldMe), or it could mean that the content is growing at a much faster rate than the external backlinks.
Or, it could relate to your own theory of a devaluing of internal backlinks? So in this case it could well be explaining a fair bit!
Because quite often when google has put a manual slap on a site, they remove the PR of the homepage as a signal.
Just curious - has anyone checked the PR of other, similar sites? Could it be possible that this isn't part of a slap, but in fact a new way to calculate PR?
As the Pr came and went yesterday, I am assuming it is a glitch, and will be back to where it was soon. I wouldn't mind having my PR4 back, although it means little in the larger scheme of things.
I hear you, Earnest. The non-existant PR is what seemed strange, yet probably a glitch. I know that messege just because it is what I see prior to a new site being indexed.
Though, with all the talk about the weight of links and such changing, I guess all of that is changing, or maybe becoming more clear that some numbers do not matter, it is more the relationship of topics that are more important..
Having just read HP's latest blog post by a member of google adsense team, that is reassuring that there is some sort of connection between the two (at least to help hubbers learn how to have better adsense success, which is great)
How do you check a site's PR again? Last time I bothered checking I was using Firefox plugins but I'm on Chrome now.
I use SEO for firefox, but this does the trick: http://www.prchecker.info/check_page_rank.php
seo quake works on chrome https://chrome.google.com/extensions/de … kkdndkjdjc
Excellent, thanks Josh!
Actually I was wondering more about this loss of PR thingie, I just checked a couple of my hubs through Market Samurai that previously had a PR of 3. Now they are reading 0, so does that mean they have lost PR? I thought Google wasn't judging PRs anymore and that they didn't matter much...or something like that. Is that the case now?
Well I checked hubpages and a few of my hubs but there was nothing to display - N/A.
Might be a glitch.
They still don't matter Izzy. My major money pages have PR0, per Market Samurai
I would agree. I have sites with a PR of 0 that do quite well. I do however believe that PR is being used as a metric to partially determine the weight given to followed links.
Just for the absolutely totally ignorant amongst us, i am sure there are lots of us.....
What has happened like, are the people that used to earn lots of money on hubpages, now not able to.........
Is hubpages threatened????
What is happening to Hub Pages.... Idiots Guide.
This is the explanation about N/A pagerank and Grey Pagerank (http://www.prchecker.info/updates.php#greybar)
IMPORTANT: you can also see a grey bar (N/A pagerank) if either Google or RP checking tool is not able to show the pagerank due to slow connection between web servers. The internet is a rather unstable system, and the connection issues happen quite often.
So, if you see a grey pagerank bar or N/A rank upon your web page, you should not panic.
This probably means that the web page either is not ranked yet, or there was some temporary error and Google's server could not return the current page rank value, so the server said that "the page rank was not available for displaying at that exact moment".
In order to make sure your web site is not banned by Google, you can search Google for your site's address. If the address is in the search results, this means the site is NOT banned and you can relax and not to pay any attention to the temporary bug with N/A pagerank.
In this case everything should be back to normal state in 2-3 days.
Google ranks the following pages as:
Hubpages not ranked
Perhaps they are working through each site individually? I had read that Suite101 was hit badly in the 'Google slap' but it looks to be fairing better than others now.
PR has nothing to do with money. Even PR 0 sites rank high on search results. Two useless things not worth analyzing - alexa and PR.
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