do you know how much trouble i'm going to be in for this,... i mean realy,... the old phrase "i'd tell ya but i'd have to kill ya",.... you know our group takes this very seriously!,.... and to be quite frank,.... i'm running out of places to hide the bodies!
i'm also on my 3rd drink and this topic was WAY TOO INVITING! ha!
Particularly with organized crime. The best crime gangs do not make it known that they are gangsters, and as such are largely secret, until they are discovered. If they are ever discovered.
In the UK we have cannabis factories sprouting up everywhere, there are always found with one 'gardener'. This gardener is generally an illegal immigrant, they rent a house under a fake ID, and then move in and turn it into a cannabis factory overnight, wiring it up to steal electricity.
The people behind them are said to be British, but they are NEVER caught. Neither would they be telling random people in bars that they are involved.
Top level organized crime is always a big secret. And then of course you have the CIA, MI5, MI6, those agents operate overseas in secrecy. The organizations are not secret, but the individuals and operations are.
For example, the network of Russian spys in New York who had been operating undetected for almost a decade. The ones who were then 'swapped' for American spys discovered in Russia.
There are so many that have exsisted over the years.Now with the ease of computers so many more societies can exsist and promote their own cause.It is a shame so many secret societies have been created in the need for power and control.Instead of helping other people in different ways.We have heard of hundreds of them that problably start out harmless but then can later promote the bad.The more you find out the more sad life can become.
I think, to be honest, there are probably far more of them than any of us could imagine. I just find it hard to understand why they still exist. Almost everything is acceptable in our day and age. Seems like there would be no reason to hide much of anything - unless of course, it's just flat out illegal activity. There's my serious two cents.
I don't know that America has a truly unique way of life, but if so, I wouldn't (personally) feel that it would be too terribly complex. As to utilizing it, what do you mean exactly? Utilizing it for what - personal or monetary gain, political advancement, etc...? I guess I don't generally feel that anything of true value to humanity should be kept secret. If it's something that is truly beneficial in furthering the cause of the human race toward a more peaceful and productive end, I think it should be right out there for everyone to see.
Part of the problem with that, though, is that I suppose it then becomes wide open to be perverted from its original intention, much like other things over the course of history, which may have begun with the very same intentions.
Okay, from your statement/post, you're not even sure if America has a unique way of life, which is precisely one of the problems with many citizens who live in America.
There are only two things in America that are distinctive- (a)it's way of life and (b) freedoms/rights.
America's way of life is all about equality, however, to gain that equality, is to have a specific knowledge about living.
America's rights/freedoms are a double edged sword and when you look at society(citizenship), who is treated better than others? Those who have wealth. Now, if that playing field was leveled? What would happen? I know, too much to think about, but I'll leave it at that.
I am in complete agreement about the unique nature of our freedoms/rights. Unfortunately, I think that too many of our citizens do not know enough about the freedoms/rights of other nations to truly understand how unique that nature is - which leads us to a way of life that isn't terribly unique. This is perhaps what you mean by the problem with many citizens who live in America? In that case, I agree on that point as well. In general, actually, I agree with your entire post. As to leveling the playing field in terms of wealth, I don't see that as a realistic possibility in my lifetime. Seeing as how the attempt has been made in other nations (meeting with varying degrees of success - some of which were no success at all) to level the playing field in terms of wealth, I can understand the fear of making an attempt to do so in our very own nation. Many folks strive for "equality" in our country, but in reality, they are actually striving not for equitable treatment, but rather better treatment. While I think that there is actual merit in the whole "From each according to his ability to each according to his need," concept, I believe that what often happens is that those who are actually "able" refuse to put in the effort of which they are capable, preferring instead to be seen as those in greater "need." Are we talking here about equal opportunity - or equal reward? That does become a part of the question, in my opinion.
I'll actually check them out. Sorry about the long winded response. I tend to think out loud (even in print) and, as you've gleaned from elsewhere, I do enjoy a good conversation. I'll take a look - thanks!
I've actually been able to determine a little of that from our continued encounters in forums. I have said elsewhere that I rarely judge a person by my first impression of them. I chose not to do that with you and have been pleasantly surprised and well rewarded. Anxious to take a look, but it will have to wait until after I've slept.
Just a little input.... The 'Secret Societies' are secret for several reasons... In regards to the Mason's... The reason for the secrecy, at one point they would have been killed upon discovery. They have secrets signs that are meant to be known only to those other members. The signs and handshakes help identify one another in a place among strangers.
Look at it this way, if you are in a strange place where you know no one, you make you sign and then discover that there is another like you, you might feel less frightened.
Some of the organizations are not as secret as they seem. Just the signs that you (a non-member) aren't aware of. All of the Masonic families (there are a lot!) do everything humanly possible to help out within the Community. Ask yourself this "Where does the money come from that is donated to food banks, women's shelters, children's Hospitals, youth groups etc?" A lot of it comes from 'secret' organizations. The organization I belong to has a list that we donate every year to....
So my response to the question "Tell me about your Secret Organization" is this..."If you want to know our Secrets, join us we'll tell you!"
UK has its fair share of secret societies, but they can exist anywhere. I know friends from my old university days who were indoctrinated into secret societies. Bilderberg, Masons, Trilateral Commission, so many of them. Wikipedia will tell you even more.
Some are shady and hidden while some can be quite useful. For example if you are a member of one and have a hard time getting work, get networking in your secret society - they will get you a job, where conventional methods won't in the face of favoritism.
There is a huge theory about conspiracies too, but there can also be compassionate conspiracies. Some secret organisations do good things too. It's a huge subject!
Bohemians are very secretive. Nobody knows what goes on at their gatherings. All these influential men, yes men, I believe it's the last remaining "males only" club but I could be wrong, gather at a place called the grove and many people speculate that world altering deals are struck there, but I suspect it's just a big frat party where they all let their hair down and prance around drunk and naked in the woods. LOL
There wasn't anything humorous about Mark's thread about the negative aspect of traffic NEVER RETURNING to HP. And, your pathetic attempts to demean me, while knowing I wasn't going to return to the thread is a prime example of you being two-faced.
I said I wasn't going to further post. Now, who is illiterate? Can you not read? Or Do you only read what words matter to you?
Edit: You constantly bring up the fact that I left the forum and came back. At the time, and I will explain it for you, since you apparently have a comprehension problem- I was able to do other things, without having to worry about leaving the forums. Got it?
Of course. If you google it, you'll find a whole role. The most common (and influent) around here, are Opus Dei mainly in the Iberic peninsule and Italy and The Franc-Maçonnerie mostly in France and Anglo-Saxon countries.
I like to add the word Money in between Secret and Society. Like some kind of CSI investigation...or Secret Agent Movie plot: "Follow the money trail". Where you have Secret Societies that are in control of all the money. Now, that is my definition of a real "Secret Society"...those are the ones that are in control! And it is no secret...other then...the vast amount of the public haven't come to grips with all the Secret Society Groups! (And the list is long...)
Yes, it's the old if I tell you, I'll have to kill you deal. For even having this conversation, all our names are probably now on a secret hit list that was tattooed in special ink that can only be seen by black light , on a psychotic, mute, monk's backside.
Oh I know they exist, as I said, my first husband was a Bohemian, but that's not really a secret society. He also belonged to some other clubs too. Ones that had darker more sinister purposes where likeminded, strange people came together and did things I'm never going to admit to knowing anything about.
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