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Change "ban" to "suspend"

  1. Marisa Wright profile image93
    Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago

    Yet again I see some emotive posts because someone has been "banned".

    Too many Hubbers seem to assume the statement ".... is banned" means they've been banished from HubPages forever, whereas in fact they have just been suspended for a few days to cool down.

    I don't know if the communication to the Hubber includes the word "banned", but if it does, can we start telling them they've been "suspended" instead?  That word makes it clear the removal is only temporary and the Hubber will be back.

    1. Maddie Ruud profile image83
      Maddie Ruudposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Good suggestion.  I'll take a stab at modifying the messaging.  I doubt this will change the number of heated posts you see in the forums, however. People like drama, like to feel persecuted.  No matter what words I use, I'll always be the bad guy to some.  Goes with the territory.

      1. Michael Willis profile image77
        Michael Willisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Ah, I like bad girls! wink

      2. recommend1 profile image71
        recommend1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You are not seen as the 'bad guy' - even by those of us who you have banned several times for 'over-heating'. 

        You are sometimes seen as incorrect or plain wrong - and THAT is what inevitably goes with the territory. 

        I don't think we expect you to be right every time, however - I think we expect you to take some notice of criticism as that forms 'our' collective opinion of what you do.

      3. Stevennix2001 profile image82
        Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well for the record Maddie, I never viewed any of the mods as the quote, "bad guys", of hubpages.  Sure, I may have joked about it, when I was using my other account on here a while back, but it was more of a "tongue and cheek" kind of joke that wasn't meant to ever be taken too seriously.  However, I do apologize to anyone if it ever was.

        However, I think the problem with people that are often placed in a position of authority, they're forced to make tough decisions frequently; which a lot of times may not always be the most popular decision out there, but it's definitely in someways the right thing to do.  Granted, I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with all the changes made recently, as some of it is kind of subjective if you ask me.  However, I can certainly see the logic behind it, as I'm sure in the long run that sacrifices are necessary to ensure the future of this site's future.

      4. Joy56 profile image60
        Joy56posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        ha ha, you are not here to be liked..... that was a favourite expression, of a manager i had once, funny but true i suppose.......

    2. Maddie Ruud profile image83
      Maddie Ruudposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I just took a look at the messaging, and it already states clearly that most bans are temporary.  It isn't practical to change the language to "suspended," since we currently display the same message to people who are banned temporarily for personal attacks, and to people who are banned for spamming the forums.  I'll put displaying different messaging to temporarily banned (or "suspended") users on our to-do list, but it probably won't get done right away.

      1. Marisa Wright profile image93
        Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That's a shame, maybe it's just up to more experienced Hubbers to add that word "temporary" in, any time they're mentioning that someone is banned.

    3. Stevennix2001 profile image82
      Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Excelsior!  Great idea! big_smile

  2. Cagsil profile image62
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    Okay, I'll agree. lol

  3. Michael Willis profile image77
    Michael Willisposted 6 years ago

    I like this idea. Maybe even say "temporarily suspended."

    1. Cagsil profile image62
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hey Michael- "temporarily suspended" is almost as bad, just because "suspend" means "temporary". lol

      1. Michael Willis profile image77
        Michael Willisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I know it is the same. (edit: the same as far as what HP means)
        Temporary may just sound a little better. You know how easy people can get riled up here. lol
        I think the word Ban really does irritate a lot of people. It is a word that would be better used for what it means, than something that is only temporary.

    2. Aficionada profile image95
      Aficionadaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      As opposed to "indefinitely suspended."

  4. rebekahELLE profile image92
    rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago

    I think most people posting in the forums understand that banned means a time out. It's easier to say than temporarily suspended.
    big_smile  There's even a hub category for it!

    1. Marisa Wright profile image93
      Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think that's true, because you see hysterical responses when someone has been banned for just three days.  Older hands know the difference but I don't believe newbies do.

      1. recommend1 profile image71
        recommend1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If you are talking about the emotive response to the banning of PearlDiver in the middle of his epic drive to get a stolen article site taken down then you are on the wrong tack.

        I have recently been banned, as have many others here without a word or post - PearlDiver is a totally different case.  He was working flat out in the interest of all hubbers when he was banned.  The fact that this was just as he was outing the HUBBERS involved in this massive theft of Hubpage articles opens up all kinds of issues.

        Either the moderator who banned him was just inexperienced or did not read the thread, or Hubpages have something to hide in this matter   -   beyond the obvious issue that it should be part of their job to do this for us as they have all the clout and resources!

        Whatever the issue it does not look good and no apology or reasonable explanation just leaves the thing open  -  just as the site that PD was chasing aroudn the servers is now open and thriving it would appear. I will see if they will email their thanks to whoever stopped PD.

        1. Marisa Wright profile image93
          Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Recommend, PearlDiver was banned for a nasty exchange on another thread, nothing to do with his excellent work on 68articles.

          Maybe it was because he was so worked up about 68articles, but whatever the reason, he made some unwarranted personal attacks. When I saw them, I was sure he was heading for a ban so it didn't surprise me.  No conspiracies!

          1. recommend1 profile image71
            recommend1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I especially went looking for other places he may have been banned as he is volatile and prone to lash out verbally - but I only found a mild exchange where he told someone to stop diverting the thread - which may have been a little rude.  However, PD was doing a huge service for all the hubbers here, especially those with good hubs that were being stolen, and a degree of common sense would have been in order on the part of whoever banned him - he should have beenleft to carry on.

            Unless of course the trivial little 'spat' that I saw between PD and an irritating poster to his thread was not the only issue.  If there was aonther attack elsewhere you might point us to it ?

            The bottom line is that - due to that ban the site that PD was successfully chasing down is now up and running and looking healthy, and it appears to have spawned off several offshoots and name changes.  Was it worth satisfying somebody's pride over stopping this site ?  Was that somebody a set-up to provoke PD as happens so frequently in the religious and political forums ?  WAs that somebody to do with the WELL ESTABLISHED HUBBERS that PD claims are doing this ?

            1. relache profile image86
              relacheposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Admin has never taken the stance that people's dirty laundry needs to be aired in public and I'd be very disappointed if they began to do so.

              1. recommend1 profile image71
                recommend1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Admin doesn't normally do stupid things either.

                But - I am asking Marissa, not admin.

                And posting links to the thread and post is quite normal procedure.

            2. Marisa Wright profile image93
              Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I don't think it's a good idea to air dirty laundry either, so I'm not going to start pointing fingers.



              What nonsense!  Pearldiver did a great job spotting that the site was up and running again, but he wasn't doing it single-handedly - not by a long shot.  A ban of a few days wouldn't have made much difference, unless he was silly enough to flounce off in a huff after it - and I'm sure Pearldiver is too mature and sensible to do that.

              The site in question is a serial offender, it's now been taken down and reappeared several times.  Most of its articles now seem to be from articlesbase and ezinearticles, which it can legally use.

              1. Aficionada profile image95
                Aficionadaposted 6 years ago in reply to this


                Marisa, would you please clarify that? I don't know anything about articlesbase and ezinearticles. Are their articles free and available for anyone to copy without violating any rights?   Do they use authors' bylines?

                I have spent time every day checking on 68articles, and I haven't found any of my work there since I filed my DMCA.  In fact, my articles had been taken down by the time the Google people looked, and their response about the subject was that they could not find the referenced article on that site.  Anyway, I now try to spend a few minutes checking other material when I check for my own, and recently I found material that is a copy of something on articlestorehouse.com. 

                I would love to know of additional suggestions for what can be done about the perpetrator!

                1. recommend1 profile image71
                  recommend1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You should be asking PearlDiver these questions. He has many of the different sites these thieves have used to transfer stolen material from place to place and so changing their references etc. 

                  All of those sites seem to be still doing good business and easily found by a simple Google search.

                  And beware of advice from any Hubber, until PD gets back and points out who the established HUBBERS who have been here 3 years actually are.

                  1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
                    Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    If you are correct recommend, PD'snot likely to be allowed back in. Right?

                  2. Aficionada profile image95
                    Aficionadaposted 6 years ago in reply to this


                    I appreciate the heads up, R1, but I'm afraid I'm not willing to limit my trust to one person only.  I know that PD has done a huge amount of work in trying to take down 68articles, and that work was helpful and appreciated, but several other people here have been busy and helpful with the same thing.

                    Some of the information that PD posted about what to do was so far above my head, that it was really meaningless to me.  I am more than willing to do what I can, but I finally stopped reading the one thread that got so technical that it was a waste of my time.  In the meantime, what I am doing is making my search for copied content more methodical and thorough than it has been in the past.

                    As for the reason why PD was banned - wasn't the question about whether the ban came from his promise to reveal a Hubber's identity really just a guess?  We could probably spend all day guessing about a reason for the suspension, but in the end our guesses would still just be guesses.

            3. Eaglekiwi profile image75
              Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Guess some of us failed to see the personal attack in question.

              I did see a verbal exchange between PD and another hubber,but compared to the Religious forum ,quite tame.

              You would have to be fairly thin skinned to see that as nasty.

              But I concede maybe there was something else.

              I was disappointed that HP didn't step in at all, and either give PD the thumbs up or at least offer some guidance for other hubbers.

              I miss PD here ,but Im sure hes doing great, and passionately living his dream to write.

      2. EmpressFelicity profile image85
        EmpressFelicityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Part of the current heatedness over the word "banned" (I'd rather use that to describe it than "hysteria") might be arising because at least a couple of hubbers have actually been banned outright recently, through no fault of their own.

  5. Dame Scribe profile image60
    Dame Scribeposted 6 years ago

    Just post 'In Detention' lol wink

  6. Michael Willis profile image77
    Michael Willisposted 6 years ago

    I like the Detention suggestion-Jail time from Forums!!! big_smile

    http://s3.hubimg.com/u/4916030_f248.jpg

  7. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    It's a conspiracy!

  8. Joy56 profile image60
    Joy56posted 6 years ago

    i was banned, wasn't told why, i have to admit i did not like it when i could not join in the forums.  I dont really know why either, to be honest.  Ah well,

  9. BaliMermaid profile image59
    BaliMermaidposted 6 years ago

    My only comment on this ban, albeit temporary, of one pearldiver is that he was doing a valuable service for all hubbers and for hubpages at the time of his suspention/banning.

    Now we have no communication with him and the thief that is stealing "our content" wholesale, lock stock and barrel is back up and continuing.

    I have a friend who is the owner of infopirate, the first web 2 revenue sharing website for bookmarking. For the last 6 hours they have been, under attack from this creep, they say it's him, and his software is posting web tips / bookmarks at a rate of 20 a minute. That's almost faster than their human moderators can delete the posts.

    This guy, Mr68, from VietNam is a criminal and we either need someone like Pearldiver, because he had the knowledge to get the job done, to get back after the creep or we need Hubpages to help us all out and throw some of their weight behind getting this guy stopped.

    I am not overheated. I am worried as heck for all hard working hubbers that do their best to follow the rules and post quality content.

  10. katiem2 profile image60
    katiem2posted 6 years ago

    Hows a bout a time out, really put it in prospective!

    1. BaliMermaid profile image59
      BaliMermaidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am not looking or trying to make or be a problem.  My perspective is that  mr68 in vietnam has stolen word for word every hub that myself and four other hubbers I know personally have written. Now he is trying to bookmark them back to his stolen copies.

      Do you not think the content owner of a hub has a right to be upset about that?  We have filed all the appropriate papers, three times to three diefferent locations ; thats 3 x 3 = 9 times for over 400 hubs - that is 3,600 filings. 

      So excuse me for being grateful for what Pearl Diver was doing to get this creep taken down.  And yes - shame on him if he was making personal attacks on anyone.

      On one hand he did good for all of us - on the other he let us all down.
      This is not personal - this is business - theft of property - content.

      That is my perspective and my last comment.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
        Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I dont think he let you down ,I think he just got smart wink

        1. recommend1 profile image71
          recommend1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Of course he did not let anyone down - it would appear that he got sh@t upon and let down - unless there is more here than we can see.

          Where is this 'nasty remark in another thread' that has been attributed to him - but no mention of what remark or where !

          I would not be surprised at PD making a more than sharp remark, he has not shown much restraint in the past, but I have not seen it with extensive looking for it, I just know he was about to tell us who the LONG STANDING HUBBERS are who are stealing your stuff.

          WHERE IS PEARLDIVER ?

  11. rebekahELLE profile image92
    rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago

    So why do you say he let us all down? It is not his responsibility. It is the responsibility of each author. PD was trying to make the community aware of thieves stealing content, any of us would be blind to not realize that registered users copy content. It's a good reason to not share earnings, or names of top ranking hubs.

 
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