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Wow - Where did everyone go??

  1. Rafini profile image85
    Rafiniposted 5 years ago

    Got 1 1/2 weeks left of classes, then a few exams and I'm done until summer classes begin!  Thought I'd pop in and see what everyone's up to, aside from all the site changes & updates, and geez, almost nobody is here anymore.  What happened while I've been away?

    1. Andrew0208 profile image61
      Andrew0208posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hubbers you thought they've gone were never gone, they keep sneaking in and out to see if we are back flying on high traffic again. lol As for me, I'm 100% around and very hopeful even though I had one of my best performing hubs taken down that had an affiliate link. In as much as I felt bad about it, I also considered how great HubPages brought me to this far good and well since over 3yrs, I won't even cast the team to hell for unpublishing an income earner hub of mine either. Now, I guess the Hub Chief is also reading as he stated on the blog panda updates with good plans to call a spade a spade with regards to affiliate links here. smile

      1. Rafini profile image85
        Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        huh, interesting.  Indeed, I have noticed some are still here who I'd thought were gone for good....

  2. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 5 years ago

    Bunches of things. Like I said in another thread...about a year ago, there were almost 200-300 people posting to the forum, but now it appears as if there are less than 50 people now posting.

    Oh well....Sh!t happens.

    However, it was nice to see you Rafini. smile

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I noticed you mentioned it Cagsil, that's what brought me to post the question...it seems that the people that are left are the people I can trust.

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        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        it's been a lot quieter here.  There's been some grumblings here and there.  A website stole hundreds of hubs twice.  People aren't happy about HP being ranked low by the panda slap & the huge loss of income & traffic.  Think some people have been busy working on their own sites also that got hurt.  Some people have gone to sniff out greener pastures, I think.  Some are upset with the flagging to try and weed out crappy hubs - they feel they have been picked on over petty matters when others have been ignored.

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          Lesleysherwoodposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I'm new to HP.  (3 weeks)  Have I come as its going down?  What do you mean a website stole hundreds of hubs twice?  How can it do that?  I didn't think the search engine allowed things to be duplicated?

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            Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            it was a website called articles68 (if I recall correctly).  They stole articles.  Hubbers complained & stolen hubs went away then came back again.  Think they are gone now.  Some hubbers were upset that we have to fight our own battles with stolen content - some threads on it a few weeks ago.  Yes, duplicated content is against adsense policy

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              Lesleysherwoodposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              that's terrible as so much work goes into these hubs for them to disappear.  You think they're safe.  I haven't saved any of my hubs elsewhere maybe I should.  I don't blame hubbers for being upset.  I just tried searching for that website.  Found nothing.  Good they're gone.

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                Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                it can happen anywhere - one of the unfortunate hazards of writing - some cheapskate always ready to rip off someone else's effort

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                  Lesleysherwoodposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi Baileybear.   Thats horrible but a fact of life.
                  I'm just engrossed in your hub re aspergers.  I think more people have this than even know it.  I'm at the bit about the washing machine, and i agree.  who needs to wash up if something else can do it for you.

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                    Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    thanks for reading Lesley.  I'm procrastinating about doing the dishes right now!

        2. dablufox profile image61
          dablufoxposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I am right royally annoyed at this insanely 'stupid' and totally ignorant affiliate link blanket rule which is not going to achieve anything!

          We still have a tsunami of spam hubbers publishing 100 word hubs with a backlink yet three of my best performing hubs on micro niche marketing which have over 1500 words gets flagged?

          How does this work?

          Then I have to write email after email to fight to get the hubs re-published.

          Hubpages simply don't care about hubbers and this argument about them trying to improve the platform and win favour back from Google is a crock.

          They could easily provide hubbers with high a high hub score with extra privileges such as unrestricted affiliate links while increasing the word count requirement of new hubbers.

          This alone would increase the quality and topic variety of hubs published and go a long way to retaining the platforms most talented writers.

          What's funny is that one moderator allows one hub to be republished and another denies the other, even though both are 1600 word and hugely popular hubs yet they provide the excuse that 'no exceptions' can be made when its obviously a lie because they already made an exception!

          They think were' idiots!

          Some of the best of the best on the platform have all abandoned ship because hubpages refuses to exercise 'common sense'!

          I for one am resigned to deleting my micro niche hub with market samurai links rather than have totally worthless Jeep adsense ads which pay 1c per 1000 impressions.

          Some hubbers have deleted 100's of their hubs and moved to blogger and interdependently hosted wordpress blogs.

          In my opinion Hubpages is barley worth backlinking value and the odd Amazon micro niche hub.

          You have to assume that its hubpages aim to aim to expand the topics of the affiliate link topic blanket rule to 'ALL AFFILIATE LINKS' this topic rule is just a sly and deceptive way to phase in a complete ban on affiliate links, whereby people are funneled exclusively to hubs that guarantee revenue for the platform.

          Hubpages are really missing the point I think!

          The platform got into this mess because they failed to address spam hub publishers writing spam hubs.

          Now its revenue is falling its compelled to look after its own interests and funnel people to adsense and amazon hubs.

          The problem is that there is still nothing stopping a new hubber from publishing 150 100 word hubs in two weeks for backlinks or affiliate links that are not on the 'secret' banned affiliate link list.

          Here's an article that Sunforged wrote after being messed around by moderators and staff.

          http://hubpages.com/hub/The-New-Article-Marketing

          Not only are people leaving, one that stay don't hub hop AT ALL anymore including myself!

          For what? So we can get kicked in the teeth by the platform a few months down the track!

          If you can make your own blog, even if it's on blogger you will be well advised because Google is going to clamp down on 'sharecropping' and 'content farms' even more in the future!

          Hubpages is only good for helping develop your writing. You best content you should reserve for your own blog because its simply not safe on this platform.

          It's a shame because its the community that made Hubpages what it is, or rather WAS!

          1. Rafini profile image85
            Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Wow.

      2. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        And, what would make you think that? hmm

        1. Rafini profile image85
          Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Are you saying I can't trust you?  big_smile hmm roll

    2. kmackey32 profile image83
      kmackey32posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Im here...smile

  3. camlo profile image84
    camloposted 5 years ago

    I'd actually wondered where you'd gone. Nice to see you back.
    The place seemed even emptier until a couple of days ago.

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Awww, tanks!  big_smile 

      So, is it just that time of year when people get serious about their writing again, or are people leaving or just not as active?

      1. camlo profile image84
        camloposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I get the impression it has mostly to do with this Google Panda thing - a lot seem to have left, and others seem to have lost interest in HubPages since it's not making them much money nowadays. As I say, this is only the impression I get - based on what I've picked up here on the Forums.

        1. Rafini profile image85
          Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          huh.  so many that I'd thought were die-hard hubbers just don't seem to be here, on the forums anyway.  so there wasn't a massive fight complete with subsequent banning of all involved?  lol 

          I know when I stopped in a few weeks ago I was seeing alot about Google, Panda, and people saying they were going to leave.  But, also knowing some of the hubbers involved, I thought maybe they'd just been banned.  hmm  Except Daniel, I can't see him getting banned.  Don't really know why, lol, but I just can't see it.

          1. camlo profile image84
            camloposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Well, there's been a distinct change since the Panda Update, so I'm pretty convinced it has mostly to do with that.

            1. Marisa Wright profile image92
              Marisa Wrightposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I think you're right, Camlo.

              I don't think there's a direct correlation between writing Hubs and being in the forums - I  know a few Hubbers who don't write a lot of Hubs but do frequent the forum (me included). 

              The thing with the Panda update is that it's created a lot of work for online writers, revising their content to suit the new playing field - and the more existing work you have, the more work you've got to do.  I can imagine someone like Nelle Hoxie or Mark Knowles not having time to scratch themselves, never mind chatting in forums!

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Nellie and Mark are busy removing most of their hubs, not updating them, Marisa.  Some of the old regulars are permanently banned, in case some here aren't aware of the fact.  smile

                1. Rafini profile image85
                  Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  some are permanently banned?  when did this happen?

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    In the recent past.  Nellie and Mark aren't banned and I'm not implying they were, just clarifying why some aren't here much anymore.  smile

                2. Army Infantry Mom profile image59
                  Army Infantry Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Wow,.. what hppened why were they banned,.. I just took down all my hubs as well, reason explained in my one and only hub left remaining,.. LOL  also anybody want to tell me about the Panda thing,.. im confused. I still got 1 other hub account, not sure what to do with it

                  1. IzzyM profile image85
                    IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I read and commented on your hub, and am really sorry it has come to this. I don't think it was 'purely personal' simply because other military moms identified with it, and moms everywhere read it and thanked God it wasn't their son or daughter off to war.

                    I've currently got a couple of No smoking hub marked 'This hub appears to be about cigarettes'.

                    Wow! Give the dog a bone!

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      me too nice to see you

      smile

      1. Rafini profile image85
        Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        smile  Nice to see you too, Kimberly. smile

  4. WryLilt profile image86
    WryLiltposted 5 years ago

    I think a lot of people have been a bit disgruntled with the staff's handling of the panda update. Why? Because when everything's right everyone's happy. When something goes wrong, many people run for the hills and start blaming everything and everyone they can think of.

    I have a good reason for not being around so much though! I'm having a baby (I'm currently 9 1/2 weeks pregnant) so my days now consist mostly of throwing up and sleeping. tongue

    Welcome back!

    1. camlo profile image84
      camloposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Congratulations WryLilt!

    2. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Congrats!! 

      they say saltine crackers do wonders...I can't really attest to that, though.  I threw up everything, including water!  (btw - chicken tastes the same, either way.) big_smile  lol

      1. camlo profile image84
        camloposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I had a problem like that a few weeks ago when I was at college. I wasn't pregnant though.
        I got a few days off, so it wasn't a bad thing.

        1. Rafini profile image85
          Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          glad to hear you weren't pregnant!  lol

          1. camlo profile image84
            camloposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            That would've have turned my world completely upside down - and maybe even the world.

            1. Rafini profile image85
              Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              with a pineapple?

      2. WryLilt profile image86
        WryLiltposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks guys. And I've tried everything, even the drugs have stopped working. Oh well should only be a few weeks till it's over I hope!

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Girls please! You know how guilty this makes us men feel? smile

          1. WryLilt profile image86
            WryLiltposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Not my husband!

          2. Rafini profile image85
            Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Wellll....big_smile....at least it's sharing in the experience, isn't it?  big_smile

    3. Mrvoodoo profile image60
      Mrvoodooposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      'I think a lot of people have been a bit disgruntled with the staff's handling of the panda update. Why? Because when everything's right everyone's happy. When something goes wrong, many people run for the hills and start blaming everything and everyone they can think of.'

      Whereas others will bend over and take whatever they're given.  And will still say thank you afterwards.

      1. WryLilt profile image86
        WryLiltposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I'm leaving most of my content here. But I'm  here for the money, too. I just quit my job to stay at home full time. So yes, I will stay at HP for now, but that doesn't mean I'm not pursuing other options and my own sites.

    4. KeithTax profile image81
      KeithTaxposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Having a baby! That is the kind of growth I get excited about. Money is okay, but family is everything. Good health, Wry. Congratulations on the upcoming addition to the family.

      1. WryLilt profile image86
        WryLiltposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks Keith. smile

    5. Dorsi profile image89
      Dorsiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yes congratulations on the new baby coming!!!

    6. dablufox profile image61
      dablufoxposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The way hubpage staff have handles this Panda update is shocking and totally mindless. They simply do not know which side of their bread is buttered!

  5. goldenpath profile image80
    goldenpathposted 5 years ago

    Many have been spending time correcting hubs that have been flagged. 

    Like your hat though it must have been windy. smile smile

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      oh, that makes sense, too! 

      bright & windy!!  lol

  6. KCC Big Country profile image84
    KCC Big Countryposted 5 years ago

    I'm still here.  I just don't post in the forums as much.  I have a lot going on in my personal life right now.  I unpublished a bunch of hubs that I've been trying to work on too. 

    Good to see you Rafini.

    Congrats WryLilt!

    Hi Camlo, Cagsil, GP and Marisa!

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hiya KCC.  How are ya?  smile

  7. sofs profile image87
    sofsposted 5 years ago

    Lady you were the one who was missing...smile glad to have you back smilesmilesmile

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      smile  thanks sofs, you're sweet  big_smile

  8. LeanMan profile image81
    LeanManposted 5 years ago

    I'm still here.. lol

    But busy with lots of other things so don't get as much time as I used to to just post and post....

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      smile smile

  9. CASE1WORKER profile image84
    CASE1WORKERposted 5 years ago

    i am still here!

    1. Amanda Severn profile image91
      Amanda Severnposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Me too, though I'm an infrequent visitor these days, as I'm busy elsewhere. (Painting, not writing!)

    2. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      @case1worker & amanda

      smile smile

  10. CMHypno profile image88
    CMHypnoposted 5 years ago

    Some of us you don't get rid of that easy!

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lol  Gotcha!

  11. Disappearinghead profile image90
    Disappearingheadposted 5 years ago

    I never thought it was possible to make any money from hubbing anyway. I'm just here for the interest of writing and the cut and thrust of debate.

    However I have notice a significant drop in views of my hubs and a reduction in the number of comments left on pages of hubbers I follow. Some of these hubbers don't appear to be quite as prolific as they used to be either.

    1. Amanda Severn profile image91
      Amanda Severnposted 5 years ago in reply to this



      It used to be possible to earn a very reasonable amount from hubbing if you were willing to put in the hours, and acquire the know-how. Having said that, I've never been a big earner here, and I've certainly seen less traffic and earnings in the last few weeks.

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      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I thought any money was a bonus.  I have found the traffic drop discouraging - I don't feel as motivated to write if no-one gets to read it.

      1. Disappearinghead profile image90
        Disappearingheadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It is discouraging true. It's a shame because I like the Hub pages layout and broad content. Are people going somewhere else to publish. Is Hubpages becoming the MySpace? What is the Facebook of the writers world?

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          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I've been making a website for hubby using the WYSIWYG web builder on Webstarts - I have zero knowledge of code etc.
          http://www.webstarts.com/
          Been considering making my own website now that have more confidence in my writing - probably will centre it around Aspergers - still thinking about it.  Leave my hubs here

          1. dablufox profile image61
            dablufoxposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Good on you Bailybear,

            Hubpages is only worthy of a writers sandbox these days for developing your writing abilities. Once you gain enough confidence your better off learning wordpress or even blogger and creating a number of niche blogs which you can do whatever the hell you want on!

            It takes five second to apply a really cool yet free blogger template which makes it look like a professional site.

            And it doesn't cost a cent and you can add custom adsense modules and all the affiliate  links you like on any topic!

            What's really good is that whatever money you make you don't have to share with a business that doesn't care two hoots about you!

        2. Amanda Severn profile image91
          Amanda Severnposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          HubPages is so simple and accessible for users, it's hard to imagine a better model. I'm sticking with it, but of course, I'm not jeopardising a big income by doing so.

  12. Joy56 profile image60
    Joy56posted 5 years ago

    so glad you are all still here, it is lonely without you...... i come and go ......  having trouble with computer at the moment.

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      smile

  13. rebekahELLE profile image92
    rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago

    I pop in at times, but I work and live life... I've seen lately the forums simply suck up time with negativity and useless meanderings.

    I hope you're doing well with your classes, Rafini.

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I know what you mean Rebekah.  I pop in from time to time when I need a diversion. smile

      Thanks for asking!  Classes have been pretty good - don't mean to brag (or whatever you'd call it, lol)  but I lost my 4.0 this last semester.  Makes me feel human at least. lol 

      I couldn't speak up in Philosophy class like Qwark told me to - kind of odd, but since the instructor was so disorganized and because I'd learned it before, I didn't understand what she was talking about most of the time.  I'd internalized my thoughts on the Divine Command Theory, Utilitarianism, and Free Will so that to take a step back and relearn it...well, let's just say it didn't make much sense to me.  I couldn't answer the essay questions properly, I had to approach the theories according to my own understanding.  hmm 

      But, it ended well enough.  I have a 3.86.  Which was also due to the Anthropology instructor never having taught before - she'd hand out a 100 word vocab list one class period before the test and at least 20 words I couldn't find a definition for.  Then, on top of that, maybe a third of them weren't on the test.  (and me with a not so great memory anymore!!)  roll hmm  I'm hoping to bump it back up to a 3.98 though.

      1. prettydarkhorse profile image65
        prettydarkhorseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Good luck Rafini! Those are good grades, grats!!

        And it is nice to see you from time to time here!

        1. Rafini profile image85
          Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          aww, shucks...thanks PDH!  smile wink


          Nice to see all of you too!   (edit:  I mean everyone here! lol)

  14. CASE1WORKER profile image84
    CASE1WORKERposted 5 years ago

    rebekah, you are so right, the negativity can be so draining.
    Rafini- it must be great to have the pressure of school work reduced - i have two daughters at college at the moment and it is all work and projects and essays to prepare for- another month and they should both be finished- well til the autumn

    1. rebekahELLE profile image92
      rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Not only is it draining, it's 'unproductive' energy. Life is way too short to get caught up in it.  smile

      CASE1, it was nice to see a photo of you and CMHypno at the London meet up. You ladies must have had a good time with Simone and Robin.

      1. CASE1WORKER profile image84
        CASE1WORKERposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        it was just simone, but yes it was fun- the thing that i cant get over is my virtual world coming to real life and we were talking about people- you included and we all knew you, yet i wouldnt know you  if you sat next to me on the bus! sort of unreal - by the way it was no nasty gossip- it was really nice

        1. rebekahELLE profile image92
          rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          oh what fun. Simone seems like she would be great fun to spend time with.  I used to use a real pic, but I switched to my virtual world persona for a few reasons.


          Rafini, that's really all one can do. a 3.86 is very good, don't worry about not having 4.0. It really does NOT matter. GPA is not indicative of intelligence and comprehension.

          1. Rafini profile image85
            Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            smile  I know...I was really disappointed at first (cuz I really screwed up in high school) but then I decided that I'm still okay.  I'm still me. smile  (and working for a 3.98 is a goal oriented thing, lol  I gotta have a reason to try.)

    2. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hiya case1 - the only good thing (for me) having time off school is that I'm writing more on my life story.  I've restarted it (from the beginning! and in a new format) and actually got five chapters done in five days!  I'm pretty amazed at it, actually, because I'm writing it the way I've always wanted to write it.  Similar in style to Song Of Solomon, but not exactly. 

      What programs are your daughters in?

      1. CASE1WORKER profile image84
        CASE1WORKERposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        one is in her 2nd year training to be a primary school teacher and the other is just finishing one course prior to taking her degree in computer studies-  ( does not take after her mother)

        1. Rafini profile image85
          Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          (that's okay - you couldn't really handle another you, could you?  I know I couldn't handle another me!!)  smile

  15. Cardisa profile image91
    Cardisaposted 5 years ago

    As I said in another post yesterday, I can't imagine anyone leaving, are they CRAZY!!!!

    This fun and I get to meet a lot of people!

    I just discovered how much information I can pick up her and chat with you guys.

    I LOVE THE FORUMS AND WILL NEVER LEAVE!!!

    EVER!!

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      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      the tone's been a little better recently - there was a lot of negatively for a few months after the panda slap

      1. WryLilt profile image86
        WryLiltposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That's because all the nay-sayers left. smile

        1. Mark Ewbie profile image84
          Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I'm still here though.  Too negative for Excerptz.

          1. CMHypno profile image88
            CMHypnoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            That makes us feel really special Mark - nowhere else but HP negative enough for you! LOL! smile

            1. Mark Ewbie profile image84
              Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Oh I didn't mean anything by it.  Just been writing about content farms and still had my head up my ....

  16. ripplemaker profile image89
    ripplemakerposted 5 years ago

    I'm still here too big_smile

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi!  smile big_smile  (waving hand furiously!!)  HI!  big_smile smile

      1. ripplemaker profile image89
        ripplemakerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        (waves hand back as furiously too) big_smile big_smile big_smile

        1. Rafini profile image85
          Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          big_smile smile big_smile

  17. Spirit Whisperer profile image84
    Spirit Whispererposted 5 years ago

    Nice to meet you.
    It was very interesting reading all the discussion prompted by your question and it is also very evident of the high regard everyone here holds you in.

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi, how very nice to meet you!  You have an interesting profile with some very interesting topics for your hubs. 

      HP is a very friendly site.  Keeps me coming back!  smile  Besides, the high regard is a two-way street.  smile

      1. Spirit Whisperer profile image84
        Spirit Whispererposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That is very kind of you to say and I thank you for taking the time to check me me out. I will certainly be reading your hubs especially after observing the wonderful way you have been received.

        1. Rafini profile image85
          Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          smile ty

  18. Bard of Ely profile image87
    Bard of Elyposted 5 years ago

    I am still around!

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Glad to see you again!  smile  How are you?

  19. Bard of Ely profile image87
    Bard of Elyposted 5 years ago

    Fine, thanks, Rafini, and keeping very busy with various projects!

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Good thing!  Don't wanna get bored...now why didn't I think of that??  lol

  20. Beth100 profile image83
    Beth100posted 5 years ago

    I'm still here too!!  smile  Welcome back Rafini!! Missed you!!  smile


    @ Wrylit -- congratulations!!! smile  wonderful news -- it's made my night.   Thank you!  smile

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hiya Beth, thank you!  smile  Nice to see you again, and I noticed it's the right time of year for you. wink  lol

  21. bayoulady profile image81
    bayouladyposted 5 years ago

    I'm still a hubber, though not prolific. I haven't taken mine down. Maybe a little "pollyannaish" ,but I think hub pages will bounce back.I'm writing on a few other sites right now a bit.

    I 've been absent because my daughter had a stroke. She lives with me, and it has been all about trying to help her recover, 4 hour trips to this doctor and that doctor,etc. then computer bit the dust. I just got a new one today.

    I don't have time to be on the forums much. I have a backache and can't sleep, so I'm on tonight, but thats a rare thing.

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Glad you're still here!  Sorry to hear about your daughter - hope she recovers quickly. smile

      1. bayoulady profile image81
        bayouladyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        rafini.....thank you!

    2. sagebrush_mama profile image82
      sagebrush_mamaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry to hear about your daughter...prayers for you!

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    Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago

    I'm here.  smile

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi! smile

  23. sagebrush_mama profile image82
    sagebrush_mamaposted 5 years ago

    Minimal writing time right now...it's garden planting time!

    1. Rafini profile image85
      Rafiniposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hiya sage!  Whatcha planting?  I planted flowers last year but not so sure about this year - money's more tight. hmm

      1. sagebrush_mama profile image82
        sagebrush_mamaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Tomatoes, peppers, squash, cucumbers, melon...and a few more assorted veggies.  Busy summer ahead, hopefully!

  24. rebekahELLE profile image92
    rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago

    It depends on your definition of 'best writers'. I see plenty of quality writers publishing on HP.  All of the best writers have not left.

    I understand that people have to do whatever they feel is best, but it's still our own reaction/responses that make us do what we do.

  25. TerryGl profile image62
    TerryGlposted 5 years ago

    And for all you guys saying everything will be alright then don't be surprised when one day you cannot log in. Grab a copy of your content and keep it safe so you can re-publish it elsewhere when Hubpages is gone.

    All the old hubbers have told you what is going to happen and they moved their content to a safer place. You have to seriously think about doing the same.

    Don't turn around and say "no one told you".

    1. recommend1 profile image71
      recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I was tempted to say exactly the same thing this morning but in the  vein of "I am staying" decided not to.  I would seriously advise everyone, loyal hubber or sensible person, to bakc up all their hubs at this point in time.

      1. CMHypno profile image88
        CMHypnoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I always have a back up of all my material saved in a couple of places, and have done since I started publishing here.

        I have to agree with Rebekah, that it is a purely personal decision as to whether or not any hubber leaves, hangs fire or continues publishing.

        However, I'm getting fed up of the playground mentality of some hubbers who have left who seem to think that everybody has to leave now to get back at HubPages and prove that they made the right  decision by leaving (usually very noisily)

        I can understand why some people are angry and frustrated, but why waste energy by creating foul-mouthed sock puppets and then  spending their valuable time in the forum of a place where you say you no longer want to be slagging it off? Also what is going to be gained by slagging HP off across the rest of the internet? It's just another waste of energy!

        1. recommend1 profile image71
          recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I half agree with you and half agree with the disgruntled ex-hubbers who have left, I am still here but feel as if it is all sinking around me !

        2. Mark Ewbie profile image84
          Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          If the moaning helps me get more traffic, removes any chance of moderation and allows me to use the F word with greater freedom then I think it's all been worth it.
          Otherwise, no.

        3. CASE1WORKER profile image84
          CASE1WORKERposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          quite agree- is anywhere else any better- sit back and wait is my motto- oh yes and do some more backing up, i am a bit behind!

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Why sit back and wait?  One doesn't know if there is anywhere better unless they see for themselves.  Spread some stuff around on different sites and compare the difference.  What have we got to lose?  smile

        4. Mrvoodoo profile image60
          Mrvoodooposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          While you might consider it to be pointless bad-mouthing. Others may see it as being a valuable public service.  I certainly wish that I'd been warned that there was a good chance that the hubs I published here years ago in good faith, could be unpublished without warning on a whim and a fancy.  At any given time.

          As far as I have seen, people aren't spreading lies about recent activity at HP, they're just telling it like it is.  And as far as I'm concerned, those considering writing at HP, should be armed with all of the facts, before investing too much time here.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I continue to "slag" Helium across the internet whenever given the opportunity.  I feel it is my duty to warn writers who are thinking of putting their work on the unethical site.  Things aren't always what they seem, as many of us have discovered the hard way.

            1. Mrvoodoo profile image60
              Mrvoodooposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Your warnings (and those of a few others) are actually the reason I never bothered to even go take a look at Helium.  I've written on virtually every other similar site, at one point or another, but I've not once even visited Helium. 

              So thank you.  Which kind of proves my point.  Because while others might choose to 'grin and bear' everything.  Your warning no doubt saved me endless hassle.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                And thanks to you too, MrVoodoo!  I have received many, many emails thanking me for my crusade against Helium.  Even more satisfying though, are the apologies I have received by former stewards who attacked me on the forums for speaking truths which THEY themselves were not aware of at the time.

                I would do the same for any such site I find manipulating its writers in similar manners.  Getting the word out about the true goings-on of content sites is one of the few means we have of punishing unethical sites.

                Sure, there will always be disgruntled writers complaining about writing sites, but many are telling their real experiences dealing with them.  smile

                1. Mrvoodoo profile image60
                  Mrvoodooposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I couldn't agree more. 

                  I've no desire to see HP go under.  But at the same time, I'd rather that the truth was out there.  So that people can make an informed decision as to whether to invest any amount of time writing here, or not.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I have no wish for HP to go under either.  I still make a few bucks here and each month gets better as far as Adsense is concerned.  My hubs apparently haven't suffered as much as some have, but then I didn't have many links on my pages like some and have only had to remove those which led nowhere because the hubs they led to no longer existed.

                    I have to say I am skeptical about the way Amazon works here on HP.  There is no way, at least that I can discover, to ascertain if we are getting a 60-40 time share on Amazon products.  I'm sorry, but I simply do not trust the old "trust me" type agreements.  Why can't we have some way to check this stuff? smile

                  2. Andrew0208 profile image61
                    Andrew0208posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    HubPages can only get better. HubPages remains my favorite site along with a few others. In fact, a few hubbers should stoppp tensing up the community with "who is going out, where are hubbers, everyone is gone" and stuff like that. They should STOP assuming and speaking for everyone here as anyone or group cannot be everyone. It can only get better here.

          2. CMHypno profile image88
            CMHypnoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            There is a big difference in stating your opinions about something you don't like and the foul-mouthed rants that some people have been coming out with. Getting heated and ranting is a waste of energy. People are far more likely to listen to what you have to say if you present your case intelligently and articulately.

            If you value your time, do something productive with it, swearing and name calling is a waste of energy and only likely to rebound on the person doing it.

            1. Misha profile image76
              Mishaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Voluntarily instructing others how they should spend their time is not exactly a productive use of time either big_smile

              1. CMHypno profile image88
                CMHypnoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                No its not, but there have been some who have been coming onto this forum howling and screeching in an abusive manner.

                There is one thing stating your opinions and even getting a bit heated about it, but some of the swearing and name calling has been uncalled for.

                And as you said - we all get to choose what we do with our time, even those who don't always agree with you smile

  26. rebekahELLE profile image92
    rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago

    I think this is sound advice for all writers anywhere. It helps to write in Notepad or Word first, and copy/paste wherever one publishes.

    1. recommend1 profile image71
      recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Absolutely right - whether here or anywhere else, nothing is as secure as you think it is !

  27. TerryGl profile image62
    TerryGlposted 5 years ago

    Especially here..

    Got my 2 year congratulations email from Hubpages telling me what a good bloke I was for being here for 2 years.

    Shame I cannot post a Hubpage until a moderator checks it. They must think I am a spammer. Comedic timing always makes me smile.

  28. recommend1 profile image71
    recommend1posted 5 years ago

    ...at this time ...

  29. rebekahELLE profile image92
    rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago

    There are no guarantees about anything, you may walk into your place of employment tomorrow and be handed a pink slip after slaving away for 20 years because your company can't afford you any longer. Is it your fault?
    I'm somewhat bewildered by anyone who feels entitled.. 

    diversify and move forward. smile

    Business bottom line is survival.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      No, I may not!  I've always been self employed with several means of income.  I suppose this is why I'm not afraid to question things which appear less than ethical.  The only pink slip I've ever seen was being slowly removed by a lovely damsel.  smile

    2. Mrvoodoo profile image60
      Mrvoodooposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Isn't it strange how different people are bewildered by different things in life.  Personally I get kind of bewildered by folk who'll roll over and grin and bear anything, and everything.  That they're dealt.  Without even minimal protest.

      And I've never been convinced that advising others to do the same is good advice.  But I guess that's just me.

  30. Misha profile image76
    Mishaposted 5 years ago

    Come, come to HubRages and tell the world what you have to tell. The link is on my profile smile

    1. Mrvoodoo profile image60
      Mrvoodooposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lol, had a quick peek.  Love it.

      Will have a better look around after I've had my tea. big_smile

    2. Suzanne Day profile image96
      Suzanne Dayposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Done! I am TheSnu!

    3. lexindica profile image60
      lexindicaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Come on Mr. Misha,

      Why are you always promoting your forum here? I have already read it thrice in forums. Few days ago, you used to promote Hubpages because you were earning quite a handsome bucks, and now when the source from where you were earning that handsome bucks is facing a problem then you are coming here and asking people to just "leave this place". Disgusting. Hubpages will certainly be a better place without you. Why don't you just leave? You along with Ryankett and thisisoli [Both of them had visited Hubpages to show their support, but in fact both of them were planning to learn to launch their own User Generated Content websites] are creating so much problems here. Grow up Misha. LEAVE.

      1. Misha profile image76
        Mishaposted 5 years ago in reply to this
        1. lexindica profile image60
          lexindicaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          There are lots of crap there Misha. I am going to delete them. You got it all wrong. Those are not getting views for me. I would like to ask for your help to show here about how I can add proof here about that. There were many craps my friend which have been deleted by me. Just doing some research here.

          1. thisisoli profile image62
            thisisoliposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            If you want to show proof of what content is getting you traffic tehn you can hook up Hubpage to Analytics and drill down by content.

      2. thisisoli profile image62
        thisisoliposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Lex, maybe you would like to do a little more research before you start posting comments on other peoples sites, if you had followed This is Freelance you would have known that since it's inception it was initially designed as a place for Hubbers to gain more backlinks to their hubs.  This site was in place long before Panda appeared.

        If you actually visited TiF you would also learn that it operated on a completely different basis to Hubpages, you may also have noticed that I have definitely given out more knowledge than I have received in the forums here.

        I have no desire to see Hubpages fail, I still make several hundred dollars a month here, and I am sure Misha, Nell, Ryan and others are just as sad to see their income drop (And a lot of those income drops had nothing to do with panda).

        But the reason many of these writers have left is because the Panda situation has grown in to a disaster thanks the the obscure rules Hubpages have been putting in to place.

        After Panda I was more than willing to work through the drop in traffic to keep my content ranking high.  Unfortunately it is Hubpages own actions which have negatively affected my serps. Both Ryan and myself showed our initial support because we wanted to ensure that Hubpages would recover.  Unfortunately we have seen how certain Hubbers have been treated, and we have seen our advice ignored.

        You may have also heard something that I can validate, the people who are leaving are the people who have been seeing consistent growth since Panda, even on our user generated content and affiliate sites.  This means, believe it or not, that Google does in fact like our content and site strategies.

        Before you judge you might want to read some of the past threads which caused a divide between a previously tight knit community, you will find that it has nothing to do with ulterior motives on owning our own websites. You might also want to consider that many people on here own a large number of other sites, and have done for years, well before they voiced any dissent against the current Hubpages changes.

        1. lexindica profile image60
          lexindicaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          TiF was created in August, 2007. Dear Oli, it all happened because of the drinking session and discussion about you and Ryan at my flat among five friends. Sorry. I am really enlightened. I am also going to delete some of my inferior hubs in response to this fault. No offence intended, just a discussion about Google Panda led to this. Peace.

  31. bharath.adupa profile image75
    bharath.adupaposted 5 years ago

    SO atleast you are back and resumed your hubs nice to hear that........

 
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