Philosophical Crossroad: Team Write Vs. Team SEO

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   Peter Hogganposted 12 years ago

   Red Anchor, you are so right! Panda has worked a treat, gone is the spam and the scraped content and every result pulls me towards relevant well written content that answers my questions and fulfils my commercial intent.
   
   Let’s ignore the fact that Search Engines look at more than just the page to evaluate quality, let‘s forget trust, backlinks, site architecture, keyword research etc. and while we are at it let’s forget that people who do this despicable type of stuff are following the rules set out by Google, let’s forget about getting our content read and, lord above, generating some sort of income.
   
   Let’s forget marketing our content entirely, there are plenty of others out there who will gladly take all our rankings and our incomes - so why go to all that bother. Let’s not forget however, that It’s so much easier sitting on our hands and doing nothing while the world passes us by.

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      WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I'm cannot get my head round SEO no matter how I try and get hardly any views on my hubs. Thus I have no argument to pick with you concerning the rights or wrongs or SEO. However, I totally disagree with your statements concerning the quality of search results.
      
      I search the Web frequently and extensively seeking information on scientific and cultural matters. Since Panda, I have found search results to be absolutely dire! I have always dug deep into search results to find the best information available. Now I am having to dig even deeper.

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         Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I'm not "Mr. Traffic" by a long shot, but I have to wonder how much backlinking you do, and where.
         
         The "dofollow" links still outdo other backlinks.  reditt.com, shetoldme, stumbleupon, . . .those are some easy dofollows.

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            thisisoliposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            easy do-follows are not necessarily good do-follows.

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               Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Then please explain to me how a "dofollow" is not good?

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                  thisisoliposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  you have to look at page trust and domain trust wesman.  Things have advanced a lot since the inception of page rank, and now a huge amount of factors are counting towards the trust Google places on a site and the links it gives.
                  
                  She Told Me is a low trust site, getting a do follow link is easy though.  it is not necessarily 'bad' but it won't give you much benefit.  A dofollow link from the BBC on the otherhand carries a lot of weight.

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                     Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Very good.  If you don't mind me asking, then do you mind sharing some sites where any of us actually can create good dofollow links?

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         Peter Hogganposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I was being sarcasitic, Google search results are the worst they have ever been.

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            Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I barely know the first thing about you - but I thought your sarcasm was obvious.

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         Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Hey, I just did a quick look at what HP has as your best hub today.  I know that changes often.
         
         Now, I think that is a great hub, and I know the title is good, and accurate - BUT.  I think it would get more traffic with a simpler title, like, "Hiking Vacations in Wales."
         
         You can always change your title, and if that doesn't help, then change it back.  You've got to experiment.
         
         If you know all of this that I'm saying - ignore it.  I'm just sharing the little bits of stuff that I do know that work for me.

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            WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Thank you for your suggestion. I'm not sure that it describes my hub accurately though. The hub is merely a description of some possible routes to walk to the summit of Pen Y Fan. I say nothing about what else to do in the region, and give no recommendations on places to stay, places to eat, transport, etc. Therefore, I fear that using the word "vacations" in the title would lead some people to think the hub offers more extensive information than it actually does.
            
            To include all the information that I think would justify having vacations in the title would probably at the very least double the length of the hub.
            
            I would be interested in your or anyone else's take on that.

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               Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I just think that the specific hike that you are describing is . . .maybe too specific, and that it's a great idea of something to do on a vacation, but that a searcher looking for something like that isn't going to be familiar with the name of the area (other than that we're talking about Wales) - and so they might not realize that they are even searching for that specific place.
               
               I often find things in search terms after enough Google searches have found my content that lead me to better title something that I've had published for a long time.

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               Peter Hogganposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Wesman's suggestion would harm possible rankings for terms like 'Walking The Breacon Beacons' or 'Walking Pen Y Fan'.
               
               Sorry Wesman, please don’t take offence; I do know you are trying to help and your intentions were good.
               
               Edit: The word vacation is not mentioned anywhere in the hub nor is the hub about vacationing in Wales. Including it in the title would lose relevance for the terms the hub is actually about.

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   Mark Ewbieposted 12 years ago

   I'm enjoying this thread - good arguments and a lot to be learnt for an apprentice content farmer like me.
   
   The quality discussion will never be resolved - but that goes way beyond the internet.  Wonderfully written books are remaindered while the latest celebrity ghost written pile of pap (spam?) sells by the million.
   
   I am going in circles trying to understand what I should be doing on here.  Learning to write for ego and fun - but how to fit that into actually making some money?
   
   Not that you need to know, but I harbour thoughts of giving up the day job one day.  I know... silly isn't it?
   
   edit: apologies for not having anything sensible or inflammatory to offer on SEO.

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      thisisoliposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Mark, just make an uninformed opinion

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      Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Good point!  The rest of the marketing world has the same, the exact same problem.  Some male or female whore in tights is analogous to copied/scraped/manipulative/spam; and the real musicians that make honest music of high quality for the love of it are barely getting cheesburgers in a motel room.

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   Peter Hogganposted 12 years ago

   By the way Mark I love your blog.
   
   http://markewbie.blogspot.com/
   
   I encourage others to have a read.

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      Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Oh thanks a lot Peter... lots to do!

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   thisisoliposted 12 years ago

   I agree on current Google search results being incredibly bad.

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   skyfireposted 12 years ago

   XD  Yeah Right!

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   Peter Hogganposted 12 years ago

   WTF, this totally beggars belief, on this thread Will slags off SEO yet on another he hands out SEO advice.
   
   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/74931#post1628242
   
   Add duplicity and hypocrisy to the list I posted earlier.

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   Sesshoumaru2stposted 12 years ago

   OK bro I feel your pain,But here is reality.People want to make money.If they could write poorly and generate more money by implementing SEO tactics(which is encouraged by google),then they will adamantly follow that perceptive.Lets face it,only a moderate few view this site as a place to write and share their Ideas.Others think this is just another place for back-links.Makes no sense to link here for the purpose of back-links,if the links are tagged no-follow away.When that's all said and done,you need to implement some SEO aspects to your writing.Writing alone is not enough.I which writing up some good contextual material would be all I needed,but that's not how things work.Some SEO team hubs profile have a lot of scores because they have a lot of traffic heading towards those hubs.

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   Peter Hogganposted 12 years ago

   http://www.inlineseo.com/dofollowdiver/
   
   You could start there. Find blogs that are related to your keywords and join the conversation. Dont spam.

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      Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That is a damn good idea.  I've been more focused on creating and backlinking than I have been in finding decent discussions, forums, and blogs.  I've been lucky enough that sometimes my hubs find their way to those things without me, but there's always more that can be done.

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   sunforgedposted 11 years ago

   Goodbye OP, thanks for never coming back to respond.
   
   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/101825#post2181454

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    Greekgeekposted 11 years ago

    Gotta thank this thread for giving me the seed that turned into my "Good SEO is Poetry, not Trickery" lesson.

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