There are many spammers who still have thousands of hubs up, even if they are on probation. Obviously flagging an account doesn't work so for those of us who are still trying to help Hubpages in any way - adopt a SPAM account and flag a few hubs every time you remember. Flagging 20 hubs a day only takes 5 minutes and you can do your part to get rid of this spam.
No flames and no retorts please. If you want to help, here's a way you can do it.
I have adopted this one. another trick I have developed, is that when you meet someone on the forums who is very active- but no hubs- i click to follow them- so when they do write i am ready-- just in case they are spammers rather than simply people learning the ropes
wow---at first I thought you were off on this one because I found some hubs that were longer...Using my first-rate-Sherlock-Holmes skills, I entered a snippet of a longer hub into the google and found that the longer ones are copied!
It would be really worth while to have the first ten articles approved by admin than go through all this Info Barrel seems to do it effectively enough and so does Triond... so why not Hp .. the problem of spamming may be reduced to a very large extent.
Great idea! I try to hub hop at least once a day. I've been finding spammers who have been here for years! What da? Unbelievable! Report the profile as well. I'm sure they will come back with a new profile, but at least they would know we are onto them.
..but since all the Hubs (from what I've seen) are about the same subject, and since the link is about that same thing, too.. Isn't that considered a "relevant" link? Or, is there a difference if the "relevant link" is a sales thing?
What if, for example, I wrote 40 or 50 Hubs about, maybe, premature babies; and then put the same link to one of my own sites/blogs about that subject (with no products being sold on the site). Would that make a difference?
I guess it's down to HP's decision. I have plenty of hubs on similar topics that all link out to my own site(s). I personally consider them relevant, and to be honest, they've always been my primary reason for writing here. I get the benefits of the link, and through traffic. And HP earn far more from them than it would ever cost me to host them privately.
But apparently there is a clause in the TOS, above and beyond the two links per hub rule, that says linking to the same site from too many hubs can get them unpublished. How many is too many? Who knows. Some have suggested that linking out to your own site from one in five hubs is a safe number. But I suspect that there is no hard and fast rule. Some will get away with more than others.
Here's where things can get iffy when "everyone and his brother" is judging what's spam and what isn't (and I'm not saying, with this example, that I know either). I wouldn't see that as spam, because, provided the Hubs are original and not copied, they're decent as far as I can see. I see that the individual has "an agenda" (a sales site) -but - I don't know - a lot of us have a link to some other endeavor away from HP.
I didn't read those Hubs - only skimmed - but they look fine to me. I wouldn't mind seeing the thoughts of someone who knows better than I do about this particular kind of thing...
To be honest, I flag stuff if I see it; and I hop when I can make myself do that. I'm not a big fan of the vigilante approach to hunting down spam, though. I know the moderators are busy, and I kind of feel bad for them these days; but they know what's spam and what isn't (and, besides, they get paid for dealing with it).
For ages now, I've been trying to figure out what approach I want to take as far as cleaning up my own stuff on here that could stand some improvement goes.
Again, I don't pretend to know anything about this (at all); but isn't it true (especially, now, since Panda) that if someone has an author score of - what - 8; and if his Hubs have scores in the 20's, Google isn't going to pick up that stuff anyway? And since Hubbers won't be voting that stuff up, won't it sink into oblivion anyway?
Ultimately, it shouldn't matter if somebody flags undeserving hubs/accounts as spam, as HP mods get the final say. But like you, I had a quick skim through several of them, and as far as I could see, they weren't duplicate, and if you're interested in barbecues, they seemed like they'd be relatively informative.
I generally don't flag either, as it doesn't feel like my place to do so. Even more so now, considering the outcome of the other thread mentioned at the beginning of this one.
I'm sure Rosie meant no harm though, one man's trash is another man's treasure. And vice versa. I just wondered if I was missing something.
I know nobody means harm when they're putting in the effort to try to clean up the site. It's admirable. I'm not too proud to admit that there's only so much I'm willing to involve myself in flagging and looking for. One of the reasons I'm so reluctant to dive in and start flagging stuff more, though, is that the only spam I'm all that certain about is the really extreme stuff. With a lot of the borderline stuff, I find myself thinking, "Should I? Shouldn't I?" In fact, that's kind of what makes hopping a "mental strain" for me. People say, "When in doubt flag, and let the moderators figure it out." I don't know... When I'm in doubt I don't flag and, instead, let some other hopper figure out whether to flag. I don't want to be the one who's sending tons of stuff to be reviewed to moderators. The way I figure it, if it doesn't look all that horrible to me, chances are it won't look all that horrible to readers who run into it. What goes on with algorithms "between" HP and Google is between those two companies, as far as I'm concerned.
Anyway, I wouldn't mind seeing more actual discussion about some of the not-so-horrible Hubs, if for no reason other than that it would make hopping less of a challenge for me. I don't know... I'm just not comfortable with the "when in doubt, flag it" thinking, personally.
I think there is nothing wrong with that. I tend to skip articles that are very technical or are on subjects that don't interest me at all. I only flag, for review, those that I am pretty sure are violating rules or are "low quality" according to the terms. Sometmes it helps to think " Would I publish this in my magazine?" (If I had one. )
WryLit gets the award for best forum thread title. I never realized how strongly my spammerlogical clock was ticking till I read your brilliant suggestion! Who knew you could adopt spammers? FAB IDEA!!!
If it helps, I have changed tactics on these. As the smarter spammers are using the get-out-of-jail-free card of adding the word "review" or "information" to their titles, I started flagging these as "Low Quality" instead of "deceptive".
This seems to be working as there aren't many people who think that these are GOOD quality.
Oh Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee! There always have been many, many hubs, especially the old 'how to make money' ones that say the same darn thing over and over and over, just change a few words here and there and you have a 'new' hub? I've Always noticed them from over a year ago.
I'm following a different strategy, but hope it will also contribute. I target spammers with a sufficiently small number of hubs so that I can flag all of them in one session. My rationale is that this will serve as sufficient deterrent to the spammers that they will never come back.
I find them by going into the hubber pages and putting in a random large page number, then checking through the accounts that come up.
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