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Thinking I'm On My Way Out

  1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
    DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago

    Thinking the last hub challenge hubs will be my last set of hubs on HP. I really can't see the return on investment for the time I've put into HP and don't have the patience or time it takes to wait a year or more down the line to start seeing it.  I've got several other irons in the fire that would be alot more profitable with less of a time investment than what this site offers. Adsense is doing nothing for me since I turned HP ads on and I was hardly making a fortune before, so I'll probably be leaving and taking down my hubs as well. I've met some nice people here and a few too many rude ones, but I guess that's everywhere.  I wish everyone luck in the recovery from the Panda-monium.

    1. Marisa Wright profile image94
      Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Don't be in a rush to take your Hubs down. 

      It's a reality online that what you write today will make you money next year.  Unless you're going to work for upfront pay somewhere, that's true almost everywhere - unless you're knowledgeable about link building and promotion.

      You can easily use your Hubs elsewhere within days or weeks of removing them from HubPages.  It can take a little while for pages to disappear from the Google cache, but not as long as you may be imagining. 

      You may as well get the benefit of the income, however small, until you're ready to re-use them. 

      If the HP Ads program isn't working for you, you can always switch it off and go back to Adsense.   You don't lose access to HP Ads if you do that - you can turn it back on any time.

    2. Richieb799 profile image61
      Richieb799posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Try turning HP ads off, I did, my traffic has been returning this week with a prepanda earnings amount on Sunday, plus Izzy was posting the graph with overall HP rise, we will be the great site we once were again soon

      1. Andrew0208 profile image59
        Andrew0208posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I strongly agree with you Richieb799 on that, "we will be the great site we once were again soon." smile

        1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
          DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I may try that, but how long should I wait?  A week? A month?

          1. Rochelle Frank profile image88
            Rochelle Frankposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I have really enjoyed your comments, and hope you don't leave altogether. I can understand wanting to try other things, but would hate to see you give up on HP completely.

            1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
              DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks, Rochelle.  The people here are really the reason why I've stuck it out this long...and a few of them are a good reason to leave as well! smile

          2. Richieb799 profile image61
            Richieb799posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I advise that you continue writing, backlinking etc.. and with the seasonal upswing we will see a lot of traffic returning.. I have now got 600 views to one hub thats been averaging 250 a day last week

            another hub that usually gets 15-20 views a day is getting 50 today

            1. Andrew0208 profile image59
              Andrew0208posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And diversify! It's high time for Hubbers to also trade with their own sites while still writing and publishing on HP along with other proven similar alternatives.

            2. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
              DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              That's just it, I don't get anywhere near that kind of traffic.  My most viewed hub isn't even getting 50 views per day.

              1. Greek One profile image77
                Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                all my Hubs combined don't get 50 views a day, but I'm still here!

                (..and be 'here', I mean homeless on the street using a stolen laptop with free WiFi.. as I have made little revenue online)

                1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
                  DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You could always find a good park to hang out in...I hear they're always on the look-out for cool statues!

                2. Andrew0208 profile image59
                  Andrew0208posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  My hubs use to be on an average of 2k+ views/day but since the panda, it's 800+ now. Two weeks ago, it was around 500+
                  I'm fully persuaded that it can only get better. Hang on fellow great Hubbers. smile
                  Good times to even learn a lot I never knew existed.

                  1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
                    DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Would your name have been Pollyanna in a former life? smile

    3. IzzyM profile image87
      IzzyMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I hardly made any money either when I was here 4 months with roughly the same number of hubs as you. It takes time to learn to get it right - keywords and all that.

      If you decide to go and take your hubs with you, I would strongly suggest you run them all through Copyscape first in case they have been stolen. When you take them down and republish elsewhere, yours will then be considered duplicate or plagiarized, even though you wrote them.

      That said, I don't want you to go either! Keep writing, because that golden hub could be just around the corner. Hubs do still work, HP still carries some weight. Less than before but more than a new site, unless you get lucky or heavily backlink it.

      1. Richieb799 profile image61
        Richieb799posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Earnings continue to rise nicely in Adsense, as well as traffic, hows the Quantcast looking today? could HP be on the mend?

        1. CMHypno profile image90
          CMHypnoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          My traffic views have crashed today - they always tank at the weekend, but today is brutal!

          1. Richieb799 profile image61
            Richieb799posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Ive been preoccupied with a trademark battle but things looking good for weekend traffic

            1. CMHypno profile image90
              CMHypnoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I might just not look at my traffic again until Monday lunchtime - much better for my blood pressure!

              1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
                DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Lotta blue arrows on mine today. sad  I just disabled HP ads and I think I'm going to leave them off  for awhile and see what happens with my Adsense.  If anyone else has any brilliant ideas, please let me know. 

                I have one hub I might finish this weekend, but that's all I'm gonna promise, people! smile

        2. IzzyM profile image87
          IzzyMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The graph is here - http://www.quantcast.com/hubpages.com
          It is down a bit, but still topping the recent peaks so its looking OK smile

  2. ediggity profile image59
    ediggityposted 6 years ago

    Why not just leave your Hubs up when you go, and see what they do passively? smile

  3. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
    DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago

    I might want to use them elsewhere at some other time, possibly on my own site.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe you could leave them up, move one at a time? smile
      Gonna miss you! smile

      1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
        DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I may do that, although I don't know that it would really be beneficial for HP or me.  Haven't really discovered that magic formula on here that everyone keeps talking about and I've read some appalling stuff from hubbers who claim to be making money, so think this may not be the best place for me.

        1. SimeyC profile image89
          SimeyCposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'd be selective and take down the HUbs that are getting no traffic - I'm slowly looking at all my hubs, taking the ones with the least traffic for 30 days (and/or all time) and posting a revised version of these elsewhere - it does take a couple of days for them to get de-indexed from Google etc..

          You can always move the more successful ones later if you want-  but while they have 'now where to go' you may as well leave them here!

      2. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
        DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        @Earnest, I would miss you and Randy the most , I think!  @SimeyC, I have been looking hard at those that have little traffic.  I toy with the idea of staying put and writing more in my niche (which is weddings...duh!) or just moving all of them to my own site.  Tess45 and I are working on a greeting card business similar to Bluntcards and our own site where we can include alot of DIY and things that we're interested in (besides weddings!).

        1. SimeyC profile image89
          SimeyCposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          While I haven't been hit as hard as some, I realize that I was keeping my eggs in one basket - if HP totally fails them I am out of luck! I am therefore diversifying - I have a few blogs I'm working on, am using Squidoo again, am writing on AC a little and working on Excerptz.

          I want to create many avenues of revenue so that if one fails I don't get hit badly - I suspect that as you are creating a niche (Weddings) that a standalone website with all your artcles and advice would probably do better over time as you can organize and create a 'portal' that keeps all your advice together - it takes a huge amount of work, but you seem to be dedicated so you can make that work!

          But keep writing on the various websites, even if it's to create mini-articles to provide backlinks to your 'portal' - you may also earn a little Google adsense here and there!

          1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
            DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            That's what I'm thinking, too, SimeyC.  I know that forming your own site and getting traffic to it also takes time, but with the amount of time and effort I've already put in here, I think I could have accomplished more for myself elsewhere. 

            So yeah, I think the "all the eggs in one basket" approach is probably a bad idea, but I'm using care in where I put things and so far, I like the fact that someone is looking at articles before I post them on other sites.  I don't even mind that kind of screening process at al, but still would rather be putting in the work and time for myself on my own site.

  4. ediggity profile image59
    ediggityposted 6 years ago

    Oh, well then, peace, love, and hair grease. smile

  5. BRIAN SLATER profile image85
    BRIAN SLATERposted 6 years ago

    I would try switching the Hp ad prog off for a month a two. My adsense has come back to where it was pre-panda. For some the Ad prog doesn't work, me included and you may need to stick with adsense.
    The site as a whole is going through some turmoil at the moment, try working on your other stuff while at the same time keeping one eye on how your account is doing here.
    You could also try moving several hubs (one niche) to another site and see how they do, before removing them all.

    If you do decide to leave i'll miss you.smile

    1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
      DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Brian, if I left, I would always wonder what you look like without the shades and fuzzy hat! smile

      If I moved the hubs that are my niche, I'd be left with just a handful of hubs on here.  I see the turmoil that's going on here and even though I think by and large, most people's heart is in the right place, not enough is being done at the outset to keep junk from being put here.  After applying at various other sites, I see what safeguards are in place on them to prevent that from happening and wondering why HP doesn't do the same.

  6. LeanMan profile image81
    LeanManposted 6 years ago

    You have only been here 5 minutes, leave the hubs up and make a slightly different version for your site; you may be surprised at how well the hubs may do in the future. And you can always use them to create links to your new site.

    1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
      DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      LeanMan, why do those 5 minutes feel like five years?! smile

  7. Mikeydoes profile image76
    Mikeydoesposted 6 years ago

    I'd leave them up as well, if you don't check in a couple years then you may be pleasantly surprised.

    If you do(which you better not) I will certainly miss your pretty face! haha.

    1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
      DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, Mikey, so good for a girl's self-esteem!  If I could just do the cougar thing... smile

      1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image60
        SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        ...repeat after me...'rooooarrrr'  ....'purrrrrrr...'

        i just read your 'sanity/insanity' piece...it's good - funny!..why not just leave some of your hubs up for some of us that just like to read what hubbers have to say...just write to write if you're up for it.  smile

        1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
          DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I definitely need to leave that one up, since insanity appears to be the status quo here! smile

  8. CMHypno profile image90
    CMHypnoposted 6 years ago

    Hey DIYweddingplanner, who am I going to ban in the thread if you go?

    I know what you mean about earnings, I have in the past earned well off Adsense, because although my traffic is not high I got some decent paying clicks.  HPs ads have not replicated these earnings, so am going to switch them off in June as an experiment.

    I am also going to remove some hubs in a specific niche and see if they do better on my own website.

    Whatever you do, best of luck and hope you start earning soon!

    1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
      DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hypno, you and Recommend1 will have to carry the banning torch alone, I guess!  I have a huge amout of niche hubs here and may take them all to my own site, just not sure right now.

  9. BobbiRant profile image60
    BobbiRantposted 6 years ago

    Yes, I too see who is getting rich on HP ads and it's Not the writers.  I don't write my 'good' stuff here anymore much.  The Only hubs making money are the kind of 'stupid' ones, much like the news anymore.  Hey, I suppose crap like Two and a Half Men replacing Sheen is news to the shallow. I hear ya!!!!!!!!!

    1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
      DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Bobbi, yes, I do see alot of that.  I find it really disheartening that some writers here with what I consider terrible hubs (the latest movie star hubs with lots of cheesecake pictures, etc.) are claiming to making money even after Panda.  But I guess that's what alot of the population wants and I just don't write about things like that.  If that's what's marketable then, I guess I'll pass.

  10. quotations profile image91
    quotationsposted 6 years ago

    I would recommend leaving the hubs here and building links to your new sites from them. At least get some PR out of them.

    Plus the hubs may surprise you. I once had a hub go from almost zero traffic to several thousands a day because it was selected for the front page of Yahoo. Only lasted a few days, unfortunately, but it was nice while it lasted.

  11. Mikeydoes profile image76
    Mikeydoesposted 6 years ago

    I'm going to make you miss me so you have to come back.

    1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
      DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Awww...I already do! smile

  12. Greek One profile image77
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    i forbid you to go

    1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
      DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Greek One, I would miss you making me laugh on a daily basis!  And congrats on your article getting on the front page in the "advice column."  That's great to see a non-b.s. and non-brown noser hubber get recognized! smile

      1. Greek One profile image77
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        huh? what column?

        I don't read any of the stuff on here... especially not my own

      2. Andrew0208 profile image59
        Andrew0208posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I checked on Alexa today, HubPages is ranking 236 in US which is still high compared to any other valuable content farm anyone may consider moving to farm on. Pls you may still consider not leaving. This reminds me better when HubPages was not categorized 100% all about "earnings and make money overnight with HubPages." I'm just occupying tight here because better days are very very close. 100% Sure! Pls let us see beyond the panda.

  13. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    If you leave, then so be it. smile Good luck going forward.

    However, as I am sure others have mentioned, leave up your hubs. You would only do yourself a disservice by taking them down. If you have plans on moving your content, then that would be a different story.

    Whatever you decide...Good luck. smile

    1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
      DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks, Cags.  As usual, you are matter of fact and to the point.

    2. shogan profile image86
      shoganposted 6 years ago

      Nah, don't go anywhere, DIY.  Worse case scenario, do what I do these days, lurk.  I haven't written a hub in some time, but I pop in and look at traffic and check out the forums and bide my time.  I'd suggest you do the same.  I think traffic is indeed slowly rising for HP.

      1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
        DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        A lurker...it sounds so sleazy...

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hey!  I missed this thread, DIY!  It took some of my first hubs almost 6 months to start showing what they could do and you've only been here 3!

          I know the Panda slap has slowed things down for many here on HP, but not everyone has experienced the same effect.  I don't spend any time with back linking, I know I should, but I just want to write about the things I know about or are interested in and it seems to be working out okay for now.  So don't base the future earnings of your hubs on what they are doing now.

          Anyway, I wish you would stay.  There are already too many yankees and furriners here without having to lose another southerner! lol

          If I can assist you in any way please let me know.  Snakes can do amazing things sometimes!  Whatever you decide, I wish you the very best of luck and will miss you if you go.  mad

          Randy-

          1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
            DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Did you have to go and play the Southern card on me? smile

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Desperate times call for desperate measures, especially when a southern belle is in peril!  I seldom use the southern card, but I deemed it necessary on this occasion.  Sorry, I had to do it! smile

              1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
                DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You are just wrong! sad

                I've got a wedding coming up soon that's eating up most of my writing time, so maybe I'll take a little break and think about what I should do next.  I do have a hub in the hopper, but it may have to stew awhile until I decide if I want to finish it.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Gosh!  That's probably the first time I've ever been wrong! 

                  This could be the problem, DIY!  Weddings are so sad for men, so you are losing half of the viewers right off the bat!  lol

                  Perhaps DIY divorces might get both genders as searchers! roll

                  1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
                    DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm printing that one out and mailing it to your wife...for shame!

                    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Good luck with that, she can't read!  She's from Tennessee, you know!  lol

              2. Lisa HW profile image81
                Lisa HWposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Well..   I'm a Yankee, so I don't know if my two cents' worth counts here; but I thought I'd back up what Randy says.  With your only being on here a few months, and with all the Hubs you have right now; I do think it might be premature to pack it all in this soon.  hmm  I know everybody is going to do what's right for him (and that's fine, and not my business).  It did take me eight months to start getting paid every month (pre-Panda, of course; but also pre-HP ads).  Even after 3.5 years, though, I still only have 318 published Hubs.  At the rate you're going you'd likely have half that many in only another few months.  If your Hubs are the kind that Google will "like" consider not using HP ads.  If they're the kind Google doesn't "like" so well, let them build up with the HP ads.  (For the last few months I've been trying to figure out my "balance" of Hubs and which "plan" works best for me.)

                I'm not trying to convince you not to pack it in - only wanting to point out that there's the chance you might miss out if you remove all your Hubs.  You might want to consider some "combo" action - writing a few things elsewhere where you think you'll earn more quickly, but leaving stuff on here too.

                Post-Panda I did lose the monthly Google deposit, but I have another chunk coming this month.  (Of course, I keep mucking with stuff, which I know is contributing to a lot of the instability of earnings that I've had.)  I took a cut, and had to wait for deposits; but I've still picked up (I think) $340/350 since Panda  (HP and Ad Sense combined, and not counting May). It's not big bucks, but I'm glad I still have my Hubs up.  I still think it's too early for SOME people to do anything to quickly.

                Everyone's Hubs and approach is different, so people shouldn't get too discouraged if others are talking about dismal goings on.  I haven't done much in terms of any news Hubs (the ones I've written were just things I was in the mood to write).  I'm re-thinking what I'll do, and what approach I'll use with any future Hubs.  Unless something drastic goes on, I have no intention of removing any Hubs if they aren't a problem for HP.  Eggs-in-one-basket is never a good idea, but neither (usually) is dumping a basket full of eggs that kind of OK for your own purposes.

                The only reason I'm writing this is because this really isn't the most encouraging time for anyone who's even a little bit new-ish to be on these forums.  I just thought (for whatever my meager earnings are worth) it might be good to say that people are still earning on here.

                I don't really know exactly what I'm doing or not doing when it comes to this particular kind of writing I do on here.  What happens in two months, I don't know.  What I write/post from here on here, I don't know (although I have a few "serious" pieces of writing that are partially finished and waiting).

                For the last couple/few weeks, when I've come to HubPages I've done little but be drawn to the forums like a moth to a flame  (roll)  to see what latest "big thing" is going on.  It hasn't been good for my mental health (lol), and I've realized that paying attention to the latest developments on the forum is pretty much sucking the life out of me!   lol   I don't have a problem with negative aspects of reality being discussed and brought up on here; but, really, (maybe it's because I'm a middle child  lol ) some of the nastiness just isn't great.   hmm

                So, anyway, whether it's the OP (DIY) or anyone else; I'd suggest anyone who feels like writing a Hub just write their Hubs and keep any forum participation to the forums that aren't about HubPages (or, of course, religion or poliltics if those are things you find "life-sucking"   roll  ).  OR, of course, just think, "That's them. I'm me.  I'll figure out what I do based on my own set of Hubs, aims, etc."

                Anyway, I don't pretend to know where things will or won't go.  All I know is that it took me eight months to start getting paid monthly, and that I'm still picking up some pay (and traffic) now.  I'm also fairly confident that if I were to write, maybe, a few Hubs (of the right kind) a week and build up my inventory, I'd get both the HP Ad earnings and Google earnings up.  If some new, big, thing happens - then I'll do the next thing.  DIY, if you've already made your decision I'm not second-guessing it.  You know what' s right for you.  I just thought it may be worth offering another perspective to anyone else who may be feeling discouraged these days.

                1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image60
                  SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  hey Lisa....middle child?...me too lol j/k...good post!

                2. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Very well said for a Yankee, Lisa!  smile  My experience is similar to yours, with my Amazon sales reaching almost $400 in February and quite good in March. 

                  It took me a while longer to make Adsense payout (10 months) because I didn't have an affiliate for several months. but I have been making payout every month for a while and usually reach it by the middle of the month.  This month is no exception.

                  I had less hubs than DIY has now when I started making payout every month with now being even better.

                  It just takes time for hubs to start earning regularly unless you want to spend more time backlinking rather than writing.  As you say, we all have different experiences. smile

    3. SomewayOuttaHere profile image60
      SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago

      ...okay...meow? (no rrrrroaar in me tonite)...i'm thinking yor stayin' for a bit...finish that hub wuldya?  smile

      1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
        DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I may work on it, but I've got ribbons to tie around 100 bottles of bubbles, so it may take awhile. smile

        1. Lisa HW profile image81
          Lisa HWposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Bubbles?  I love bubbles!  Why not forget about all HubPages and all everything else - and just wave some bubble wands through your house, and get a Lawrence Welk kind of thing going.  Everything looks more encouraging with bubbles floating around.   smile

        2. CMHypno profile image90
          CMHypnoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          When you say bubbles, do you mean the type you blow or the type you drink?

          If you have a hundred bottles of champagne, then I am on the next plane and we can toast the end of the world! Come on hubbers, party is at DIY's place.

          See, you can't really leave us DIY, just leave those hubs up and see where the road leads you for a few weeks?

          1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
            DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Sad to say, Lisa is right, it's the type you blow.  Although I will admit after everyone went to bed last night, I did blow a few around just for giggles.  But it IS my no kids weekend, so everyone come over anyway!  If tomorrow's the end of the world, why not share it with a bunch of kooks, goofballs, and atheists?!  smile

    4. Peggy W profile image91
      Peggy Wposted 6 years ago

      It takes a while for hubs to mature and get traffic, so you might be doing yourself a dis-service to remove all of them and start over on another venue.  As others have already suggested...why not leave them and start writing new ones elsewhere?  You could then compare results and make your decision with the advantage of time comparisons.    I am hopeful that HubPages will soon become a place for better writers to call home.  I know that I keep learning as I go and have improved as a writer because of these (forced) recent changes. Wishing you well no matter what you decide.

    5. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
      DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago

      You guys are too kind.  And in a creepy kind of way, I do love my big, fat dysfunctional HP family here!

      1. CMHypno profile image90
        CMHypnoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You would be scared if we all turned up on the forum one day being normal - that would be the end of the world. The invasion of the hubber snatchers LOL!

        1. DIYweddingplanner profile image90
          DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I didn't write that hub about sanity being overrated for nothing! smile

          1. Simone Smith profile image89
            Simone Smithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Love that Hub.  I'd be sad to see you go!

    6. Stevennix2001 profile image81
      Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago

      oh no, not you too. well you'll certainly be missed here.  sad

    7. DMyhill profile image59
      DMyhillposted 6 years ago

      I'm really confused as a relatively new Hubber I can't make up my mind whether to stick it out here or not.  I have only written one hub in my six months here and haven't tried more since I heard about the Google problems with hubpages.  I've been writing at other sites i've found such as infobarrel, howto-guidebook and excerptz to spread my writing out a little. Maybe this is the way forward?

     
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