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Duplicate Content - Myth or Massive Problem?

  1. HSanAlim profile image55
    HSanAlimposted 5 years ago

    Given all the time spend world wide worrying about Panda and Google's poor quality and duplicate content comments, what the hell does this post from GOOGLE themselves mean.  Talk about contradictory!
    http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot. … apers.html

    1. mskills profile image93
      mskillsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      While I'll need to hunt around for HubPages' remarks on duplicate content, I don't think this particular issue is what HP is concerned about. 

      The blog post you linked to is focused on content that has been stolen from the original source and posted elsewhere.  I think Google is saying that sites should not be concerned about the negative effects of stolen content because they are skilled at judging the original source and filtering out the duplicates.

    2. ScarrletRaven profile image60
      ScarrletRavenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      My hub got listed as a duplicate and put on unpublished due to the fact that I had posted it on another site. I deleted it from the other site, but it's still listed as a duplicate. How can I get it to not be?

      1. Marisa Wright profile image93
        Marisa Wrightposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It takes time for the duplicate warning to disappear, because your old article is still listed by Google.  You have to give it time to disappear from their cache.

        I think you would also need to email team@ and tell them you've removed the other version.

    3. Marisa Wright profile image93
      Marisa Wrightposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      That's a very old quote. 

      This is the latest from Google:

      http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/76734?p … ost1663178

      This will have an impact on any writers who republish the exact same article in multiple places.

  2. carpesomediem profile image60
    carpesomediemposted 5 years ago

    That blog post is also from 2008.  I would like to think if Google couldn't tell the differences then, they've come a lot way to help discern which is the original source and which is the copy by now.

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Really?  Seems like I've seen quite a few reports on these forums about stolen content being posted on googles site, where they ignore all attempts to get it removed.

      1. carpesomediem profile image60
        carpesomediemposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I've never personally had any issue getting content removed from a Google-owned site.  Might take a few days but then it's gone with no hassle.  Other sites, that's a different story.  As far as being punished by Google or other search engines for someone copying my content, I've never seen any issues with my views dropping when I see a copy pop up.  That latter bit is what I assumed the OP was talking about.

        The problem is you have actually people sorting through DMCA complaints and that takes longer.  If Google, and other search engines released algorithms that actually dealt with duplicate content in an intelligent manner, I think the Internet might be a less copied place.

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I've only had one copied hub and got that one removed with no problems in just a couple of days.  Others have posted that they can't get action from google for weeks, however.

          I think you're right - if the SEs would, they could clean up the copies in jig time.  Given that google knows when every article was published I can't see that it would be a major problem to simply not allow copies to be listed at all in the SE results.

          1. Marisa Wright profile image93
            Marisa Wrightposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I think that's what the new Panda update is aiming to do, so let's hope it works.

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I would sure hope they can do something.  It would be a big a big benefit to writers, operators and site owners while shutting down the slimeballs of the internet. 

              If they can do that I would (almost) forgive them for Panda!

          2. Marisa Wright profile image93
            Marisa Wrightposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Do you file a DMCA with the website owner as well?

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              In the one case I had someone left me a comment that was just a little odd somehow but contained a link in it.  At the end of the link was a site selling the same type of product I was with a complete copy of my hub - photos and all.

              I left a comment on the site and sent an email as well - within a couple of days I had an apology and it was gone.  Probably one of the very few people that actually didn't know that theft was both objectionable and illegal.  I wish they were all that simple.

              Now that I think about it, though, I was also involved in the fiasco a while back where half of HP was copied to a site and dozens of hubbers chased the guy over half the internet, shutting him down several times before getting it cleaned up.

              1. Barbara Kay profile image85
                Barbara Kayposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The one I had stolen was probably  by the same guy you are talking about. The killer is that it is a hub that gets almost no traffic. What did he want it for anyways!

          3. Aficionada profile image93
            Aficionadaposted 5 years ago in reply to this


            I've got my fingers crossed about this.  I'm fortunate in that I've only had one instance of copied content - to the best of my knowledge.  Fortunate?  Maybe that means the thieves think I'm not worth copying!  lol

            But, seriously, the one thing I wonder about in this matter, even before Google rolls it out is:  If a writer moves their content to another location, would that change the date that is attributed to the article (in its new location)?  and, if so, will that new date create a problem?

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yes to both.  Google will have a cache that will linger around after the content is removed, and this will result in a "duplicate".  The new copy will be a "duplicate" of the one removed, but not yet lost.

              As google also seems to like older content the new date will cause the loss of any brownie points gained from age.

  3. buynikond90 profile image60
    buynikond90posted 5 years ago

    I just had an original article, never posted anywhere posted anywhere else, deemed to be a duplicate.

    It looks like hubpages is a tough venue for niche marketing, unless the niche is so obscure there isn't much published about it.

    1. IzzyM profile image87
      IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this
      1. Mark Ewbie profile image83
        Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Oh my.  An innocent mistake I'm sure.  Amazing how many people get caught out that way.
        "I didn't mean to burgle your house.  Just accidentally fell through your window, and borrowed your TV".
        I am sick of copiers.

        Funny thing is.  I've NEVER had a copy warning.  WHY?  BECAUSE I DON'T F------- COPY.

        Angry? Yes.  Just a little.

        1. Lisa HW profile image83
          Lisa HWposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I've had all kinds of "duplicate content" warnings because I've had all kinds of stuff stolen at one time or another.  If it's put on a Google site it's usually easy enough to get it taken down.  People put it on their own Google sites, and people from all around the world post the stuff in all kinds of weird places - and getting it taken down isn't possible (unless, by some freak chance, a blog owner is willing to take it down if you write, and even know who to write to).

          There's no real policing your stuff, because HP only gets a fraction of it.  Finding everything stolen, or sections of things stolen, isn't any project I'm about to tackle on a daily basis.  So, I just got so I gave up, went around and got anything I've ever written anywhere, and started to post it on any site/blog I have that's mine (as opposed to something like HP, where now duplicate content is against the rules).  Search engine-wise (and now, especially, Post-Panda-wise), I know the consequences of doing that - but I stopped caring.  Better my stuff competes with itself than have someone else cause my earnings to drop because he stole my stuff.   mad  I'd rather have no earnings than have stuff some slime-bag is going to benefit from.   mad  I intentionally put stuff online that I think isn't likely to be stolen, or attractive, to "certain elements".  It gets stolen anyway, because they have no standards!!   lol

          Angry?  Not any more. Used to be a lot angry, though.    I'll stick with TOS wherever I am, but other than that I do my own thing with my own stuff - if anyone wants to steal it, good luck to 'em.  It's already online if four/five other places (not counting wherever else someone posted it that I don't know about).  It's my stuff, and I'm doing what I want to do with it.  One way or another, I'm still managing to get paid for one thing or another - so let the rest of it "do whatever".  roll

          (P.S:  I'm also not going to be worried about Panda either, other than with what I post on someone else's site - like this one, in which case I'll go by the Panda standards.)

      2. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol  Did you notice the cache site indicates a member only 39 minutes? 

        I guess falling through Marks window and borrowing the TV doesn't take long...

        Good catch, Izzy!

        1. IzzyM profile image87
          IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I didn't notice the cache date, but am not surprised. HP have been known to be spot on about this kind of thing in the past, and I have fallen for the sob stories too. "It wasn't me. I didn't do it. I only write original content."
          Heard it.

        2. Lisa HW profile image83
          Lisa HWposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          lol   On the other hand (and contrary to how quickly "certain types" learn some things) it takes SOME of us (rollsmile, particularly those of us who, oh - maybe -  have an Earth for an avatar, years to keep remembering to be a little more tuned into some of this kind of stuff.   lol    My own "tuned-out-ness", cluelessness, and inability to live-and-learn often "amaze" (and frequently embarrass) me.   hmm

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I'm the same way.  It would have never occurred to me to look at the cache as Izzy did (and don't really know how anyway), plus I too trusting anyway. 

            I'm slowly learning to look around at the profile and a couple of hubs, but always seem to miss the obvious.  We can be thankful for the Izzy's of HP.

            1. IzzyM profile image87
              IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              No no don;t thank me! I learned it from Relache  and others more 'in-tune' with all this online stuff.

              To look in the cache, Google search for the username or the hub name, whichever you know.

              Then when the results come up, click on the cache and you will see the Google snapshot of the hub in question.

              Then you can read for yourself the 'removed' hub. If using Google Chrome, highlight some text and right click for a Google search and see what results come up.

              Unique content doesn't have a copy.

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                OK - I see the cache on the search results.  I'll remember that.

                I find copied stuff the same way with FF - block some text (not the beginning as thieves often write their own first paragraph or so) and search for it.

                1. Lisa HW profile image83
                  Lisa HWposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I didn't have a clue either (about the cache).  Live and learn after all.   smile   For the most part, I'm not very trusting of a whole lot of stuff and people online.  It's just like offline life, though:   Sometimes if you don't have that "criminal mind" you aren't even tuned into some of the stuff (no matter how "sharp" and "cautiously skeptical" you think you are).   hmm    (Of course, sometimes "criminal minds" aren't particularly clever either.   smile  )

                2. Barbara Kay profile image85
                  Barbara Kayposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Thanks for the tip on how to find copied stuff. It seems I learn something new here every time I read.

      3. buynikond90 profile image60
        buynikond90posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That's not the one I was talking about. I realized I couldn't change that one enough to make it unique, so I deleted it.

        1. IzzyM profile image87
          IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I don't know what other people do, but when I decide to write a hub on something, I research the topic first. I read loads of sites and see what people say about something.
          Then, in my own words, I write something new.

          Now obviously it can't be completely new because all those sites I read mentioned bits and pieces of whatever it was I was researching, but the ability to condense all that information into just one article makes it unique.

          Plus a line or two of my perspective or experience on whatever it was doesn't go amiss.

          There is no point in going to wikipedia, for example, and just rewriting one of their entries, unless you can add a new dimension.

          Anyway, sorry I got the wrong hub.

          1. buynikond90 profile image60
            buynikond90posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            No problem. I am learning though and I thank you for responding. Have a great weekend.

            1. IzzyM profile image87
              IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks for adding an avatar! You now look like a real person and not a spammer. Welcome to Hubpages, and sorry we got off on the wrong foot smile

  4. Stacie L profile image87
    Stacie Lposted 5 years ago

    it's getting more difficult to come up with an original idea on the 'net.
    Even though there are universally known and written phrases, word for word articles is hard to explain..roll

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    Website Examinerposted 5 years ago

    The amount of people who have the nerve to come out on a public forum and lie, outright and unprovoked, never ceases to amaze me.

    1. IzzyM profile image87
      IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      In my own little world, which is becoming increasingly obvious to me, we just don't print such glaring untruths.
      But this big bad world around us is made up of either people who live in their own completely different little world, or else think the rest of us are retarded.

      I have a hub that is getting battered with traffic, and also with really obnoxious and nasty comments to me.

      But in actual fact, these people see the world differently from me, that is all.

      So, I permit their comments even though they put me down for mine.

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        Website Examinerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Maybe it is a little of both. Some people can get away with things on the Internet others wouldn't even dream about. So who are the suckers?

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Oh we are - no doubt of that.  After all, we provide the content the thieves then use to earn money with.

          At the same time, though, I can live with myself and hold my head up while I do.  As a common thief I couldn't.

      2. Lisa HW profile image83
        Lisa HWposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        People do live in their own worlds.  They think what they think, believe what they believe, and often aren't even about to believe something different, even if they're given proof/evidence.  The big shocker, kick-in-the-head, wake-up-call, I had was when my divorced turned into a giant mess; and people who knew me were asked for "input".  I was handed a piece of paper  by the lawyer, and I wouldn't have even guessed it was so supposed to be about me.  lol    The killer was, most of these people who contributed weren't knowingly lying.  They honestly believed the wacko stuff they did!!  hmm  If people in your own little circle can get things that wrong - imagine what strangers online do. 

        (I'm sure I was "permanently scarred" by what went on and by how shocked I was, because to this day I know that's one reason I tend to use tons of words to try to make sure nobody misunderstands my motives or what I'm thinking.   hmm _)   Other than that, though, I have grown kids, potential employers, and whoever else - all of whom have the Internet too.  I'm not about to make myself look like an idiot by saying/doing things online that any of those people might run into.

  6. sunforged profile image65
    sunforgedposted 5 years ago

    yep , wonders never cease

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      Website Examinerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I wish I had the experience to tell the honest people apart from the dishonest ones. But I think I can see some of the telltale signs - like someone saying "I never duplicate anything" or "I always pay my debts on time." I mean, why would someone come out and say that?

  7. buynikond90 profile image60
    buynikond90posted 5 years ago

    Nice to meet you. My name is John.

 
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