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Get rid of the spammers quickly and immediately, at the same time!

  1. imatellmuva profile image82
    imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago

    Now before you cyber-stone me for my idea...just hear me out. I've been thinking this thing through since this morning...you may say give it more time imatellmuva...give it more time.

    I responded to a forum post by brake21, who had hub content copied by a spammer on another site. I responded because today I discovered that the same thing happened to me.

    Then, I saw a forum post by Manchester23, regarding people joining, and then suddenly leaving. My response shows that I think they're joining for all the wrong reasons.

    THEN, I saw a post from bie88, who WriteAngled identified as a banned spammer. THANK YOU WriteAngled for that comment!!!! I think you must've clicked the name first before you responded; it never occured to me to do that.

    I'm get'n to it...I'm get'n to it, perhaps HubPages could institute a trial period for new hubbers, to better identify those who are here simply to scam. I recognize that the HubPages team relies on fellow hubbers to help mediate this problem, I also recognize that this issue is bigger than HubPages.

    My desire is to create a solution that would at least minimize this type of activity here at HubPages. It was posted in this forum what not to do, but I ask is there any more that can be done?

    My idea might fall into the cream-of-the-crap category, and hands down at that.

    1. Barbara Kay profile image85
      Barbara Kayposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      If you want to get rid of spammers as they start, just go to the hubbers pages and start with the lowest scores. You should be able able to find them that way. If we all started working on this, it would take care of the newbies that just just join to spam.

      1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
        DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        My favorite hub hopping method!  However, there are tons that have been here for quite awhile with spun articles and duplicate content.

      2. imatellmuva profile image82
        imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        And not to mention that their are (were) people like me who of course started with low scores. Please describe what types of hub content you view as spam, or possible spam.

        1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
          DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Ima, the ones that really stand out make absolutely no sense, but seemingly have phrases from many different articles strung together.

          1. imatellmuva profile image82
            imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks, I'll add your comment to my "To catch a Spammer" learning tools!

            1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
              DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Sounds like the makings of a hub to me!

        2. Barbara Kay profile image85
          Barbara Kayposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The main spam I hate is someone that writes a few sentences just so they can advertise their product or hub. I've run across people who have done this.

          Then there are the articles that don't make any sense at all, but are keyword after keyword.

  2. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
    DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago

    This idea has been brought up repeatedly by some great writers on this site for quite awhile now.  I believe it's fallen on deaf ears... so you're singin' to the choir. smile

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      True dat!
      Many experienced writers have suggested many ways to do this, and the result has been silence so far from admin. smile

      1. imatellmuva profile image82
        imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Then I digress, and will handle the spaminators imatellmuva style.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I'm glad you posted. smile You never know, you may have inspired someone at HQ to start developing an answer to your very fair question. smile

          1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
            DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            True, they might have wanted to hear it from someone else other than you, Randy, Mutiny, etc., etc., etc.!

          2. imatellmuva profile image82
            imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hey...maybe I'm the one with the Midas touch...or better yet...the Muva touch!

            I know not to get my hopes up...or hold my breath on this one.

            1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
              DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Maybe so, Ima.  By the way, I love your name.  When I was growing up, it was Imatellmama! smile 

              A southern thing... smile

              1. imatellmuva profile image82
                imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Like a hub, I'm voting UP your comment it and rate it as AWESOME!!!!!!

    2. imatellmuva profile image82
      imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks DWP!! It was worth a shot (or a song)...I guess.

      1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
        DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I know, lovely thought, though, Ima!

  3. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
    DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago

    Hi Earnest!  I think this topic has been beaten to death in the forums with every possible solution known to man, so if staff were going to act on it, they would have already done so.  IMHO!

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It would be nice if someone emerged from their hollow log in Cal and answered us on this one! lol

      1. JamaGenee profile image87
        JamaGeneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Psssst, Earnest... Don't hold your breath waiting for signs of life from that hollow log.  It's the beginning of the 4th of July holiday here in the States.  A 3-day weekend. Most likely the log will be unoccupied until (our) Tuesday morning.  Cheers.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks JamaGenee, I forgot about the holiday. smile

          1. JamaGenee profile image87
            JamaGeneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Earnest, this is soooo off-topic, but what does your country call its "independence day" and when do you celebrate.  (I should already know this, but am claiming wee-hours flakedom...) smile

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              We have Australia day, but I have already forgotten when it is, as I don't have to pay employees holiday pay for it anymore. smile


              I ignore all holidays and run to my own weird schedule. smile

              1. JamaGenee profile image87
                JamaGeneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Why am I not surprised?  Hanging upside down at the bottom of the world will have that effect... smile

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  It changes the culture too. My standard greeting down here is

                  "Hows ya toenails?"

                  Ya gotta have something to hang on with. smile

                  1. JamaGenee profile image87
                    JamaGeneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    And here I had some silly notion that your part of the world is more civilized than mine. smile

    2. imatellmuva profile image82
      imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I imagine that there does exist forum topics on the subject. Some forum topics are so old that they're closed to comment, yet the topic still exists. For me this is similar to a poll, you have to get so many signatures before a consideration will be made. What is IMHO? Is that something privy between you and Ernest?

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I think it is text talk for "In MY Humble Opinion" smile

        1. imatellmuva profile image82
          imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Got it! Thanks!

          1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
            DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Trust me, there's nothing privy between me and Earnest...more's the pity! wink

            1. imatellmuva profile image82
              imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              funneee!

            2. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Ah! The tyranny of distance...the story of my life, hanging upside down at the bottom of the planet defying gravity all alone. smile

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                That's gotta be tough when you have to pee, Earnest!  lol

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  It's not just the blood that rushes to my head! lol

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    lol

                2. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
                  DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Why must you stick a pin in my little pink bubble, Randy?! sad

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh!  Was that a bubble, DIY?  smile

              2. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
                DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Earnest...the poet...who knew?!   smile

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  There are many facets to this b*stard from the bush. smile

                  I woz gonna recite some Banjo Paterson, but I will cop another ban if I do! smile

                  1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
                    DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't think Banjo sounds like a poet...more like someone from Randy's neck of the woods!

                  2. imatellmuva profile image82
                    imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh don't do anything to get banned Ernest. We just met! It would be like dropping your icecream from the cone on the sidewalk...tears!!

          2. WriteAngled profile image92
            WriteAngledposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hi there, I didn't have to click on the name. I, and probably several others, flagged that person's hubs as spam. In the lack of any effective countermeasures by HP, the only thing that remains is for me, and you and anyone else writing here to hub hop and flag up spam and other c__p. Sometimes, it makes me feel like Canute, but at least it is a small push in the right direction for this site.

            1. imatellmuva profile image82
              imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Still, I thank you for posting the comment, otherwise I may not have known!  Your comment was more than helpful, it was down-right AWESOME! Go ahead...take a bow!

              I almost commented, but luckily she was already taken down. Had you not commented, then more than one hubber would have been inconvenienced by commenting to her forum post.

              I guess, my next suggestion (...and perhaps this too has been mentioned) is that when HubPages blocks a known spammer, that they immediately remove any forum posts. While the spammer may no longer prove harmful, it is clearly a waste for anyone to comment to a forum post. Then wonderful people like YOU wouldn't have to comment that the person is a spammer, and has been banned.

              ...and YES I'm go'n get my flag on!!! Thanks guurl!!!!

  4. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
    DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago

    Well, you know when you're inside something hollow, there is alot of echo-echo-echo-echo....

  5. Marisa Wright profile image93
    Marisa Wrightposted 5 years ago

    Your question has been answered but just in case this is seen as a poll, I'll add my voice.

    It's often been suggested that new Hubbers should have to submit their first few Hubs for human review before they are published.

    When HubPages was riding high, that was dismissed because it was felt it would discourage people when they wrote something and had to wait days for it to appear on the site.  At that time, the cr@p Hubs weren't hurting us, so it didn't seem worth doing.

    Now it's a different story, and I find it unbelievable that HubPages can't see it would be far more efficient to institute this measure, than be constantly playing catch-up with the flood of new Hubs.

    There are other revenue-sharing sites which have this system and it works.

    1. imatellmuva profile image82
      imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      While I am fairly new to HubPages (7 months old...waaa...waaaa), I would have humbly accepted this criteria when I first joined. While I haven't written many hubs, I am fairing well in the rankings with most of my hubs. Having an introductory standard may likely help folks like me stand-out a little better; meaning that our hubs, are not lost in a menagerie of hubs by hubbers of ill-intent.

  6. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
    DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago

    I agree.  After poking around looking at other sites, I found a majority of them want you to submit an article or writing sample for approval first.  The time wasted trying to control all the garbage that comes in on a daily basis could be better spent screening new writers.

    1. imatellmuva profile image82
      imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yes DWP, other sites have a criteria, and I believe that this helps to weed out those of ill-repute! While nothing may stop the spammers, a better established criteria may give some spammers pause.

  7. daryl2007 profile image55
    daryl2007posted 5 years ago

    I joined hubpages for 3 years already and I disagree when some members are ban because they are accused of spamming.  What are the basis of that they spam?  Most people who are running the review of each hub are not IT experts. How can you tell that they did spam? For what I know hubpages already created a very strong security on their hubs with so many restrictions such as duplicate hubs...  Let the new members enjoy becoming a hubber..

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Let the older members enjoy "not having to flag the newcomer's  junk" and we might reach a compromise.  smile

    2. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
      DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I find your comment hysterical since the first article I looked at of yours is on the web probably in at least ten different places....PLEASE!!!

    3. imatellmuva profile image82
      imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      While I have not been here as long as you and Randy, it is some of the other hubbers who are helping me to identify spam, or what potentially is. The use of the word potential might be unsetlling to you daryl2007, but I think it's appropiate to air on the side of caution. It is the hub team who makes the final determination.

      "A new broom sweeps clean, but an old broom knows the corners"
      -Virgin Island Proverb

      1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
        DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        True, but if I see something that doesn't ring true, I just copy and paste into the nearest search engine.  Tons of people just like our commentor above with duplicate content.

        1. imatellmuva profile image82
          imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I am thankful for you DWP...all of you who posted refreshing and supportive comments to this forum post...even daryl2007 (smile). This has truly been an eyeopener for me, and teaches me that I can and should be as diligent as my fellow hubbers, by learning to recognize spam, then recognizing spam, and THEN doing SOMETHING about it!

          It's kinda like the old adage "It takes a village..."

      2. JamaGenee profile image87
        JamaGeneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Love this! Thanks, ima! smile smile smile

        1. imatellmuva profile image82
          imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You're quite welcome JamaGenee! It seems that when I do initiate a forum post (and it's rare) it always starts a huge thread of discussion!

          After joining HubPages, I applied to write on (actually for) another site. I haven't written for them, because I found it rather difficult to select a topic that I can write about with ease. The point...this site required an application, a resume, and writing samples. While the application , and resume, were a bit much (maybe), it's the writing samples that I think help to distinguish one as a serious writer.

          The writer may think tht they're serious, but it is their written work that helps to better determine it

          Macy Gray, is one of my favorite musical artists, she has a song called, "Get up, get out, and do Something", and by golly that's what I hope to do about these spammers!

  8. RedElf profile image85
    RedElfposted 5 years ago

    big_smilebig_smilebig_smile

  9. Mark Ewbie profile image80
    Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago

    A number of us have been suggesting pre moderation since Panda struck.  It seems to be a simple and obvious way to slow down and eliminate the new entries. It might even dissuade them from trying to scam HP in the first place.

    It seems like an easy win.

    If you are a hub hopper and see the same kind of stuff coming in every day it is a bit discouraging.

    When I joined up and submitted my first page I was amazed to see it just got published.  No queue, no moderation.

    I have joined forums where they moderate the first posts for example.  Just seems to make such good sense.

    1. imatellmuva profile image82
      imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Mark, It absolutely makes sense! I think that fairly new people like myself, get lost in the system (so to speak) because we are all cast the same.
      I take my work quite seriously, and don't ever again want it copied by someone claiming it as their own.

  10. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    Me too Mark. I was surprised how easy it was. Surely this would not be a big job to change it?


    Question for admin.

    What are we missing here?

  11. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
    DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yep! That's pretty much how I see it too! lol

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Of course, what other explanation could there be for allowing junk to be first published, and then sought out by volunteers in hopes they find them all? 

        I think most of us would rather vet the newcomers than have to flag them later on.  HP claims to want quality hubs, so why not show they actually mean it?  smile

  12. Mark Ewbie profile image80
    Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago

    OK, bother, starting to get slightly annoyed. Again.

    Didn't PaulE publish a hub recently about content responsibility?  Quality in other words.

    Isn't the Panda thing supposed to be all about quality?

    So now spam content doesn't equal $$$$$$$ - it equals Panda slap and user feedback or site blocking?

    Therefore - can't believe I need to even type this - in fact can't be bothered.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      HP has always touted quality, Mark.  Even when they were allowing all of the hubs which caused the slap in the first place.  And they are still allowing them to be published at this time.  Your idea of why?  smile

      1. Mark Ewbie profile image80
        Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I think I know the answer but I can't bring myself to voice it.  It goes against everything some of us are trying to do.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I do not envy your self control, Mark!  smile

  13. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    This thread has more people who have seen 100 on it than most other threads, so we are all writers here, no pretenders.

    I would have thought someone would be along by now to find out what the complaints are, who is making them and why.

    1. imatellmuva profile image82
      imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Seeing the complaints in other posts, and becoming a victim myself, is what encouraged me to initiate this forum post.

      I was minding my business, perusing the internet to check how my articles are ranked, and there it was, one of my articles, ranked one place ahead of MY ACTUAL article. Lawdy Noooooo.....I got hit!

      While I was successfully able to have the cyber-perv, and article removed by filing a DMCA report, it got me to thinking of how spammers obtain  articles in the first place, And ONE way, is right through sites like HubPages, because of the ease of joining the site.

  14. profile image0
    Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago

    I personally find this to be a fairly decent idea.  Has anyone though considered actually sending the proposal by email to the HubPages team to see how it is received.  I know that the subject has been broached several times in the forum, but maybe it would get more attention if it was brought up in a more direct fashion.

    Just a thought.

    smile

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I admit I haven't. smile I assumed others had.

      Maybe nobody did. It may be worth a try. smile

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        Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        One never knows.  Especially if THEY were to get spammed.  Might make someone sit up and take notice.

    2. Mark Ewbie profile image80
      Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      If they were interested it would be picked up.  If for instance I were to say barbecuing is a bit gay it will be noticed in seconds.

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        Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Get their attention any way you can, Mark, that's my motto!

      2. JamaGenee profile image87
        JamaGeneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        smile smile smile smile

    3. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Maddie, I think it was, said HP was an open platform and that was pretty much it.  You know, the quick terse reply with absolutely no extra info, as usual.  smile  They don't seem to want to talk to us very much these days.  Could be it our breath?  lol

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        Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I just blew into my hand, Randy.  Mine seems to be fine.  What if we ALL sent emails, same day, same time? lol

        1. Mark Ewbie profile image80
          Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I think the answer is that it ain't going to happen.  The money is in numbers.  The figleaf is quality.

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            Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Sigh.

            1. Mark Ewbie profile image80
              Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry Motown, didn't want to make you sigh.

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                Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Eh, it's okay.  Just makes me sad that the PTB don't seem interested in any sincere feedback.  sad

          2. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Figleaf?  Now that is something I do have some past experience in seeing put to good use!  smile

    4. imatellmuva profile image82
      imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I considered submitting an e-mail prior to creating this forum post, but sided with the forum post, because it is seen by moderators.

      I decided that one person sending an email, may not have the same strength as a forum full of people who share the same sentiment.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know-there seems to be no difference in the staff reaction whether it is one email or many public queries. At least at this point in time!  smile

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe we'll hear something when they get back to the salt mine after the holiday weekend? smile

  15. Mark Ewbie profile image80
    Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago

    On the plus side, this is about the most gentle forum rant I've been part of.  Lot of people here who love HP.

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      Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Not to get off topic, but congrats on your 100! big_smile

      1. Mark Ewbie profile image80
        Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks Motown, I was beginning to wonder if anyone had actually noticed.  I mean, I only came here to show off my nice new number.

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          Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          tongue  Shoulda just wiggled your tush.  More of us would have noticed sooner.

          1. Mark Ewbie profile image80
            Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            An Animated stick man?  Give me another year of learning and I might just be able to wiggle that thing you talked about.

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              Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              lol 

              If you can manage to add animation to your writing, I'll bet you'll start making cash right away!

              1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
                DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                OUCH!

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                  Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  DIY, I hope Mark knew that wasn't a jab!  I was teasing him more than anything else! smile

                  I'm not generally one who can find it in me to be truly mean.

                  1. Mark Ewbie profile image80
                    Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I viewed it as encouragement rather than anything else.  Was already planning my stick animation masterpiece.  Stick man falls over.

                    That's it.  Needs work.

        2. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry!  Congrats, Mark!  smile

    2. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I agree, Mark.  And the PTB do read these forums, I'm sure!  I do feel sorta bad for them, though.  I'm sure some of them may even have a conscience.  smile

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        Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        There may even be some in the group who have made suggestions such as these that have gone unheeded.  We can't know for certain.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          They may even be all gone for the 4th of July and don't really give a big dog f#(k.  We can't know for certain. smile

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            Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Well, there's that! lol

            1. JamaGenee profile image87
              JamaGeneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Drats, I just made a fool of myself saying pretty much the same thing to Earnest.  Next time I'll jump to the last post before I open my mouth. smile

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                Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                No worries, I'm sure earnest doesn't think you're foolish.  Can't imagine anyone else would either!

                smile

                1. JamaGenee profile image87
                  JamaGeneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh, Earnest and certain of his hubber buddies Down Under *know* I'm a total flake at this hour of the morning. smile

    3. JamaGenee profile image87
      JamaGeneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "Love" may be too strong a word.  Determined to hang in as long as necessary to prove ex-hubbers wrong may be more accurate. smile

  16. JamaGenee profile image87
    JamaGeneeposted 5 years ago

    Okay, I'm going to TRY to be serious now and get back on topic.  I may be wrong, but I'm under the impression Hub Hopping was designed to weed out spammers and low-quality hubs. Of course, it depends on humans in the hollow log - see what you started, Earnest? - personally reviewing flagged hubs.

    But as has been discussed here and elsewhere ad nauseum, there doesn't seem to be another solution other than having those same HITHL (humans in the hollow log) review the first hub, or first few hubs, of a new hubber *before* allowing it/them to be published.

    Either method requires "eyes on" by a human.  IMHO, it behooves ALL of us, as members of the HP community, to quit complaining and do whatever WE can to help the folks in the hollow log.

    (Let the stoning begin...)

  17. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
    DIYweddingplannerposted 5 years ago

    We can do this until the cows come home,but there's so much stuff out there that we'll never catch up...old hubs and new hubs.  Just like our friend from above who claims to have been here three years who has a pile of nicely written hubs which just happen to be duplicated all over the internet.  If I hubhop for 10 minutes and hop ten hubs, usually 9 of the hubs, I will flag.  And that's with me being generous.

    And no stones, I save those for the spinners! smile

    1. CMHypno profile image88
      CMHypnoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Just done some of my regular crawling through the old stuff, but it is so demotivating, and, as you say DIY, there always seems to be more!

      There needs to be a mass delete of the dross, less nit-picking over established hubbers hubs, and protocols put in place to stop new spam and dross coming onto the site.

      Clinging to short-term revenue might just cost HP their long term future as a site unless they start looking to the long term

    2. JamaGenee profile image87
      JamaGeneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks, DIY, for saving the stones for spinners! And thanks for reminding me that there are plenty of old hubs that should've been flagged and probably still could be if we could find 'em.

  18. wheelinallover profile image81
    wheelinalloverposted 5 years ago

    The internet is changing fast, has been a fast changing model since its inception. It is the people who realize this who are making the most profit from it. I am finding things that applied less than a year ago are no longer working. I have also seen new things that are working that really suck from a writers point of view.

    Some of my early work I consider junk, now that I can look back. When I was editing a few hours ago some of my hubs looked spun. I hope they don't now. One of the things I do is go back and look at what I have published and try to bring them up to date or make them read better.

    I honestly don't know if anyone but hub pages would have let me publish the first article I wrote here. I had published before my first article here and had to wait a week to find out if the enzine felt it was worth publishing. They said it was but I now consider it junk too.

    For some people it takes time to improve. It's my belief hub pages is here for people like me. Nobody learns in a vacuum. Other writers here, their comments and things they say in forums have been used to improve my writing skills.

    Before I came to hub pages the idea of writing an article in 30 minutes and even at first when this challenge was put before me I wanted no part of it. The idea of writing an article in 30 minutes was totally foreign to me. Sorry to say it still is, it took 33 minutes.

    It had to be revised and the title has been changed 3 times but its still here and so far its been read more in its first month than any other article I have ever written. It's even had search engine hits. This is what hub pages and the members here have done for my writing self esteem.

    This is part of what hub pages was designed to do. Give writers with low self esteem about their writing a chance to grow and improve. It works and I thank them for giving me this chance.

    Now what we all see is the problems this brings with it. The spammers, spinners, and some total junk. Before many of the good hubs were removed it didn't hurt us as a community as bad as it does now.

    I have no idea if "the powers that be" will make any changes. I also don't know what changes they should make. My suggestion is and has been that if an article is flagged by three people it should be unpublished and held for review.

    1. imatellmuva profile image82
      imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I agree with you wheelinallover, that being in HubPages helps to build writing skills and develop, if not further develop ones talent and desire to write. I also agree that it takes time. It can take more time for some than others.

      I like your suggestion, threee flags, unpublish, and held for review.

      I recognize that their are hubbers whose talented eye, can easily determine what is rubbish, a spammer or spinner. I also recognize that every hubber may not have the same discretion, and only think that they've recognized the same.

      However much I want to minimize this dreadful activity (spamming), I do want to be fair, cautious and reasonable. Part of my reply to daryl2007, was "...air on the side of caution", but at the same time you don't want (at least not I) innocent casualties caught in the cross-fire.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Of course, every hubber has a different ability to discern crap from quality.  Often, it merely takes a brief glance at the way a Hubber uses such words as their, there, and they're, along with the way they string sentences together to tell their potential as a writer on this site.

        Those who do not know the difference may have a problem doing so. smile

        1. imatellmuva profile image82
          imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you Randy. Your comment is helpful to anyone...well ME, who wants to aid in the fight against spammers.

          When the content of one of my articles was copied to another site,  I had a conniption fit...it wasn't pretty!

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Not surprising at all, Ima!  I've witnessed very few attractive conniptions in my lifetime.  Out stuff here is copied all of the time, we just aren't aware of it in most cases.  smile

  19. wheelinallover profile image81
    wheelinalloverposted 5 years ago

    Its really too bad we can't water mark our content like they do photographs. It would make our work much harder to steal. I imagine no one would bother with most of my hubs. They contain part of my life, anyone one who didn't live it couldn't make them work for them.
    I think just being given a publish date would help. If someone copies our content and its posted after we publish Google should know its duplicate content and remove it.
    I have no idea why I copyright my ads but haven't bothered doing it for my hubs. I do have it on my profile but people are not required to even look at the profile to read an article. I have learned a poorly placed copyright can mess with people searching for articles. Unless carefully placed it messes with ads too.
    Best of luck to you getting your personal information removed.

    1. imatellmuva profile image82
      imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Oh I I had it removed! It was my agenda for the day. Nothing else mattered (well, almost nothing) until I received confirmation that the article and the cyber-perv was removed.

      The publishing date is part of the url for articles published on the site where my article was stolen. Therefore the publishing date appears on the article itself, and just above it. It was quite obvious that the content was copied, but just in case, I referenced when the first comment was made.

      I agree whole-heartedly that a publishing date on the hub itself would help. I think it could serve as a possible deterrent to spammers.

      Like you, most of my hubs contain part of my life, anyone who would want them is either crazy as I, or crazier for wanting to even be me! The copied hub, was a matter that was of particular intterest to me. This is the only one of my hubs, that has nothing to do with my life or lifestyle.

      You have very interesting ideas wheelinallover. I can tell that you're quite passionate about a resolution, and I truly appreciate your input.

  20. Stacie L profile image86
    Stacie Lposted 5 years ago

    how long does it take for Google to answer a DCMA complaint?
    it been two days for me. The owner of the offending sight told me to relax that they didn't know how it got on there but they'd take care of it..I don't think so I managed to find a website company linked to it, but thought i should wait for Google to act.

    1. imatellmuva profile image82
      imatellmuvaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Stacie L, I opted to file the DMCA report directly with the site where my article was spinned, and it was gone within an hour.

 
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