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Is Panda 2,2 hitting Hubpages?

  1. Will Apse profile image90
    Will Apseposted 5 years ago

    I lost 500 views a day in a 24 hour period. Is this Panda 2.2?

    2.2 is the update that is supposed to hit scraped content.

    http://www.webpronews.com/google-panda- … e-2011-06?

    There have been plenty of rumors of it going live but this is the first time I have seen any evidence of a sudden impact on my own traffic.

    Overall, Quantcast is showing no major drop in traffic for Hubpages yet but this is as significant a drop in traffic for me as the original Panda.

    I have a horrible (I hope unreasonable) feeling I am seeing the end of any significant income from Hubpages.

    Or this whole thing just a stats glitch at Hubpages?

    1. shai77 profile image81
      shai77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Lost about 30% traffic too,the last two days.
      Hard times!

    2. Richieb799 profile image65
      Richieb799posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I asked this question yesterday morning, originally me and Wrylilt thought it was 4th of July but I've seen a slight retrun to normal since Monday

    3. thisisoli profile image60
      thisisoliposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      My traffic has seen a pretty big increase today, I gess the high quality content rises to the top right Will?

      1. Will Apse profile image90
        Will Apseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You obviously have not been following this thread, Thisisoli.

        1. thisisoli profile image60
          thisisoliposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Seen people talk about a drop anda  recovery, but for some there was no drop and instead a large increase.

  2. suziecat7 profile image81
    suziecat7posted 5 years ago

    My traffic is WAY down today and it was pretty bad already from Panda. Who knows?

  3. Will Apse profile image90
    Will Apseposted 5 years ago

    I won't panic for a little while but the scale of the drop on my accounts brings up bad memories of previous Panda slaps.

  4. wilderness profile image94
    wildernessposted 5 years ago

    I'm not seeing it.  According to Analytics, this will be my best day since June 30.  Not by much, but I expect it will top the only other day that's currently beating it.

    1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image92
      Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I've seldom had 500 page views a day to lose.  I've no idea what these people are talking about with significant income and Hubpages.

      1. Lissie profile image85
        Lissieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        page views are only partly relevant - its about the money you make which is not always the same as page views LOL

        I can assure you that there were people making $1000's a month here - I was making hundreds - but its been slashed since Panda

        1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image92
          Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I was being half way sarcastic.  I do know all about that. . . .but it never translated on a personal level.

  5. PaulGoodman67 profile image88
    PaulGoodman67posted 5 years ago

    My traffic isn't great, but not abnormal for a Saturday.

  6. rebekahELLE profile image92
    rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago

    Not seeing a huge drop, although weekends are usually slower.

    I wonder about those seeing huge drops, are these more product oriented hubs? Think about all the articles online about the latest gadgets, and the topics that generate high paying keywords. How many people are writing on those topics? hmm There must be an overload of very similar content written about products.

  7. Will Apse profile image90
    Will Apseposted 5 years ago

    Well, its good that it is not a site wide problem. It is still strange that after staying very steady since the last Panda purge, my traffic should suddenly drop- on two separate accounts.

    Also, it is all kinds of hubs that are losing views not just the affiliate orientated ones.

    July and August are known to be lousy for selling online but I have a lot of summer and kid-orientated pages that usually do well at this time of the year.

    1. IzzyM profile image86
      IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I have also suffered a huge drop Will, over the past 24 hours just like yourself. It's across all hubs, not just product ones. It has fallen yet further since I posted about it on another thread about 8 hours ago.

  8. prairieprincess profile image96
    prairieprincessposted 5 years ago

    My traffic was very low. It hasn't been that low for months. It is normally lower on a Saturday, but not this low.

  9. rebekahELLE profile image92
    rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago

    I've seen a few threads this weekend about drops in traffic. It could very well be a summer slump in regard to certain topics.

    I found an article written in late June about Panda that's interesting, especially the sections on the Panda ranking factor and recovering from Panda. To be honest, I don't follow it too closely, but I thought some may find it worth a read.
    http://searchengineland.com/why-google- … date-82564

  10. timonweller profile image60
    timonwellerposted 5 years ago

    Yeah I think it is hitting Hubpages a little as well, do you think it is the affiliate links like amazon, ebay etc on posts being factored in to lower rankings.. Hard to tell..

  11. Will Apse profile image90
    Will Apseposted 5 years ago

    I've got the stats for my other sites now and page views are down around a quarter. I doubt they have been Pandalized so I am hoping it is just a wonderful sunny weekend right across the US and people are taking advantage of it.

    The weird thing is Independence Day had far less impact on my visitor numbers.

  12. earnestshub profile image86
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    I'm well down, and so is one of my friends here who I spoke to on the phone. My lowest for a long time.
    Anyone else notice how slow the forums are here today?

    1. IzzyM profile image86
      IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I thought the forums have been slow for weeks!

      T see stats have been stuck for at least the past 6 hours. Just as well, what we can't see, we can't fret about!

      1. sofs profile image88
        sofsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol .. some consolation.. big_smile

        Traffic to my hubs have also dropped miserably ..  and  the weekend just ads to it .

  13. CMHypno profile image90
    CMHypnoposted 5 years ago

    My traffic is always slow at the weekend, but it does seem especially bad together

  14. PaulGoodman67 profile image88
    PaulGoodman67posted 5 years ago

    My traffic from hubbers has been dropping.  But not the Google views.  I think HP is getting quieter, that's why they're pushing the competition to try and get more people writing hubs.  I personally have pretty much stopped writing for the mo here, just because it makes more sense to put effort elsewhere until things either improve or don't improve...

    I also volunteered for the subdomain experiment, so any weirdness with figures I don't take as gospel...  I wish they'd give us an update on that, though the silence on it suggests the results might possibly be disappointing, but we'll see...

  15. andromida profile image76
    andromidaposted 5 years ago

    Panda is no more an endangered species, especially Google's panda.

  16. frogdropping profile image85
    frogdroppingposted 5 years ago

    Forget HP stats. Check Analytics. And Google can't tell the difference between scraped and crap content.


    It. Can't. Read.

    1. Lissie profile image85
      Lissieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      EXACTLY - why you'd use HP stats is beyond me - crude to be polite - google analytics gives you the details.

      Earnst the forums are quite because many people have left because the of the fall-out from Panda - and I don't just mean the Google discounting of HPs - is more HP's managements reactions.

      1. frogdropping profile image85
        frogdroppingposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        *nods* And HP never claimed they could match Analytics anyway. Besides which there's so much you can glean from using Google's stats. Love or hate Google, they're not the rampant beast they are for nothing hmm

      2. earnestshub profile image86
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Liz! I have been a bit surprised at how hubpages ignored suggestions made by some of the more experienced writers here. I have been discussing this with another hubber, also a retired businessman, and we think they have made some big mistakes that only a beginner would make when it comes to looking after a business that is built on content and relies on writers to get advertising results from their hubs.

        Like yourself and many other hubbers I wonder why they did not at least explain what their reasons were for not building a better front end with a couple of simple fixes that stops the spammers before they get a profile, and to handle the slap in a more professional manner. smile

        1. Lissie profile image85
          Lissieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Because they are panicking Earnest - they have more to lose than any of us - but unfortunately that doesn't guarantee that they will make decent decisions under pressure.

          But its really our own fault - it was easy to make money here - but really you need to control your own websites - and some of us forgot that

          1. earnestshub profile image86
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Agreed Liz. I am not losing progress anywhere other than hubpages at this time.
            It is not worth my while to write here at this time, but I will anyway! smile

            Once in a while I return to an old hub, revamp it and see a result. That isn't happening here at the moment for me either, so I am in go slow mode writing hubs or editing old ones. smile

            I hope they hire a good business consultant soon! lol

            1. Richieb799 profile image65
              Richieb799posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks exactly what I've been saying.

              Do you have a personal site I can feature on my new site Earnest? I've been providing backlinks to my friends here on my site Direxit

              1. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you for the offer, but no, I don't have a personal website anymore, I am near invisible apart from the usual social bookmarking sites.
                I have built a few in the past, and kept my offline business on the first page of Google consistently.
                These days I have other ways to make money. smile

  17. PaulGoodman67 profile image88
    PaulGoodman67posted 5 years ago

    Think it's all drifting off thread topic.  Analytics won't tell you if a panda has struck, as it will only give you info on your own personal hubs and other website's views, which may well be completely different to someone else's.

    You need to look at stats for site as a whole.

    1. frogdropping profile image85
      frogdroppingposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It's drifting off-topic because? Hubbers are asking for insight into stats, why's wherefore's etc, and you think that me suggesting that they should check out Analytics is off-topic?

      Whatever. I'll go back down my noob hole then.


      http://s4.hubimg.com/u/5253935_f248.jpg

      The above from a HP account. Doesn't show Google kicking off huh?

      1. Richieb799 profile image65
        Richieb799posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        LOL, Frog Dropping is right because those of us who've been here a long time and have a constant daily traffic will notice if there there is a gradual decline.

        1. PaulGoodman67 profile image88
          PaulGoodman67posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I suspect that HP restructuring the entire site is a much more likely explanation for the fluctuations in viewing figures, rather than Google, and that many people on here are barking up the wrong tree.  But we shall see.

    2. Lissie profile image85
      Lissieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I don't really care about the overall site's stats - I care about the performance of my hubs -that's what (used)to pay the bills

  18. IzzyM profile image86
    IzzyMposted 5 years ago

    Well, what d ya know! I went offline for a few hours to drown my sorrows, and when I return my stats have doubled!!

    If this is Panda 2.3, bring it on!

    1. Richieb799 profile image65
      Richieb799posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      :LOL: my websites have made up any traffic lost and earning, fight those Kung Fu Panda's I say wink

    2. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image92
      Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      heheheheh.  Yeah.  It's a glitch.  Mine don't add up either.  They are where they should be, instead of where they are.

  19. viryabo profile image86
    viryaboposted 5 years ago

    You are right Izzy. Just checked mine too. Almost double what it was 3 hrs ago.

    DEFINITELY A GLITCH!!

    1. Richieb799 profile image65
      Richieb799posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      What the heck! Mine has doubled as well! best its been for a week big_smile

      1. IzzyM profile image86
        IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Considering that this is Sunday night in my part of the woods, the stats results, if they are correct now, are way up on what they normally would be for a Sunday.

        The individual hubs that normally do quite well are soaring. Adsense is not showing the same results, but I know there is a time lag somewhere, so I hope they are correct.

  20. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago

    I hoped it was a glitch.  I figured so, as I was making money as the stats kept going lower.  Must be something new in the works. smile

    1. PaulGoodman67 profile image88
      PaulGoodman67posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      May well just be an HP glitch caused by them working on the site.

  21. LeanMan profile image82
    LeanManposted 5 years ago

    Yesterday my stats hit an all time low, but now they are about 50% up on what they have been for this time of the week for the last few weeks..
    Google seem to be having another play around.... I just hope it continues to rise..

    1. IzzyM profile image86
      IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Check your stats again - I've just had another massive rise! I can't be the only one!

      1. rebekahELLE profile image92
        rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, I've seen one also. I wonder if stats were stuck for a while?

        1. IzzyM profile image86
          IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Could be! Then what we are seeing is today making up for yesterday's record low, but without any actual change.

          1. rebekahELLE profile image92
            rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            It's probably best to check analytics and compare.

            1. viryabo profile image86
              viryaboposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Great idea. smile

  22. viryabo profile image86
    viryaboposted 5 years ago

    Getting really close to Pre Panda.
    IS THIS A JOKE???

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Actually, my traffic and earnings have surpassed my pre-panda stats for quite a while now.  smile

  23. Will Apse profile image90
    Will Apseposted 5 years ago

    I'm seeing the same huge surge as other people.

    The only thing bothering me now is that there were traffic spikes before the last 2 big Panda updates.

    Am I paranoid?

  24. CMHypno profile image90
    CMHypnoposted 5 years ago

    After a really low weekend, I got a massive spike of traffic

    When I checked GA, I found that it was all traffic to one hub and that the traffic was coming from Bing

    Historically, I have had very little Bing traffic, although it has picked up a little post-panda, but one of my hubs has made it on to Bing page 1 for a search term and pulled in over 1,000 views overnight. Trust me, none of my hubs bring in this traffic on a daily basis, so I was gobsmacked. Even earned me a few Adsense pence!

    Go Bing Go! smile

    1. IzzyM profile image86
      IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      WTG, CMH!!

      I haven't had a spike like yours, but it's still way up, and I've just checked and my extra traffic is coming from both Google.com and Google.co.uk. (and yahoo search)

      Unfortunately without the clickers, but still...nice to see some traffic back!

      Not one single click yesterday, despite the traffic.

      1. Florida Guy profile image80
        Florida Guyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Big rise about 50% .
        Wonderful suprise!

  25. Spacey Gracey profile image75
    Spacey Graceyposted 5 years ago

    Isn't this traffic roller coaster be caused by a stats counting problem at HP, and now the figures are playing catch up and counting from 24+ hours in the 24 hour figure as it incorporates the views that weren't counted yesterday. That's happened before.

    1. IzzyM profile image86
      IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Spacey!

      No, I don't think so, analytics is showing the rise too.

  26. CMHypno profile image90
    CMHypnoposted 5 years ago

    Hi Spacey and Izzy, I checked my stats with Google Analytics too.

  27. WriteAngled profile image91
    WriteAngledposted 5 years ago

    Since Panda, my total views have steadily remained at the levels I was seeing in November 2009 when I only had five hubs to my name. I have absolutely no motivation to write anything more on this site at present.

    1. CMHypno profile image90
      CMHypnoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I can feel where you are coming from WriteAngled. This is only one hub, and better traffic to a couple of linked hubs. The rest of my traffic is still way down.

      Shows though that good traffic can be had from Bing, but I find that getting my hubs indexed there is really hard

  28. Jessicablox profile image60
    Jessicabloxposted 5 years ago

    Panda comes under play mainly when you have submitted duplicate content in many website.. About traffic reduction i can't say anything. It has not happen with me.

    1. EmpressFelicity profile image84
      EmpressFelicityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      My traffic has gone right down since Panda and none of my content is duplicate.

    2. IzzyM profile image86
      IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Spinning articles to make hubs is not acceptable practice on Hubpages either.

      http://hubpages.com/hub/Ultrasound-System-and-Probes
      http://cancerattorney.org/category/breast-cancer/

      Flagged!

  29. thisisoli profile image60
    thisisoliposted 5 years ago

    For the record we passed Panda 2.2 a while ago, Panda is a monthly occurence which re-evaluates the values provided by it's algorithm.

  30. PaulGoodman67 profile image88
    PaulGoodman67posted 5 years ago

    Sorry to be a dampener, but I am going to sit on the fence until there is either a significant Hubpages announcement, a Google announcement, or there are enough stats over a decent period of time to demonstrate a clear trend. 

    A jump in an indvidual person's or small group of hubbers' HP or Analytic stats over one or two days may be significant, or it may not be.  As the previous few days have shown, the figures seem to be jumping around all over the place at the moment.  My experience of working with computer stats has taught me to be cautious when interpreting them and HubPages has given me no good reason to change that approach.

    As well as Google, the whole situation is further complicated by HP experimenting with the structure of the site using subdomains to try and improve SEO. 

    I do hope for the best, but you can't extrapolate a great deal from stats that are jumping around over a very short period, especially with limited access to all the figures.

    1. Will Apse profile image90
      Will Apseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Everything is just back to normal for me, today.

      I will settle for normal after that little shock of two days ago.

      It would be nice to see a genuine uptick, though.

      1. IzzyM profile image86
        IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well, Will, mine dropped back a bit but I am still a bit up on last week and the week before.

        Sad this is, my adsense cicks have disappeared, completely. None, nada. Two days now. Just turned Hubads back on a couple of days ago too, partly because Adsense was abysmal before, and partly because I have a better chance of reaching payout with Hubads which is half of Adsense's payout minimum.

        CPM first day - which coincidentally was the same day I had a huge drop in traffic, was high, and abysmal since.

        If it goes any lower, I will owe them money!

 
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