Coincidence or not? Traffic has almost climbed back to pre-panda levels and my earnings today represent a "normal" day a few months ago before the update. The update caused my (adsense) earnings to drop to $2-$3 a day, when I normally used to earn anywhere from $10-$20 a day. Now, at 10:36 pm, earnings are at $12 ish for the day....yay! I haven't seen earnings above $10 for months now.
Time to celebrate? Who else is getting these impressive results with the subdomain update?
With such a great traffic increase, I'll probably turn back on HP Ads at the beginning of next month to see what happens.
I am really excited...hope this increase is permanent!
I had a similar drop in similar earnings to girlygirl09. Because of my mix of Hubs, my traffic didn't particularly dip all that low after Panda. What was earning changed, though (and, of course, there was the "HP-slap factor".
Anyway, my earnings appear to be rising since the subdomain thing. Then, in order to see whether they may return to pre-Panda levels, I recently disabled the HP ads. I figure, I'll give it a month without HP ads and see what goes on with Google. I don't know if/when I'll ever really feel all that comfortable celebrating, though. BUT, even if not all that confident, I'm happy with what I'm seeing so far.
I got a click for $1.30 today. Havnt seen that in about a year...
I'm doing a little happy dance right now. Still not even half are indexed but I have less blue arrows this morning (thankfully), traffic is high for when I usually check it this early and earnings started increasing last night. I may not break my computer after all!
What I'm wondering (and I know absolutely nothing about the inner workings of the "whole Panda thing", except that "the Panda" goes round every couple of weeks) is this:
I'm wondering if the major subdomain switch on HP amounted to having the "slap" lifted from this site enough to start returning things to pre-Panda levels (at least for some people or some Hubs); but then I'm wondering if every couple of weeks "the Panda" is going to go around slapping subdomains left and right, now that they're established. In other words, I'm wondering if what those of us who have switched to the subdomains are seeing is a temporary, Step 1, thing; and if now the bots are going to be going around "branding" people/writing based on yet different kinds of filters?? I know authors will be getting "branded" by Google. Basically, I'm wondering if that "branding" process has even started yet (or at least really gotten into full swing yet).
Good question...I'm really not in the mood for any more slapping though.
Neither am I. I'm just hoping that two or three weeks from now I don't discover that all my stuff has been slapped into complete, unpaying, oblivion. Oh well.... can't worry about it.
Could happen. According to HP (if I understand the techie stuff) most of that sweet "google juice" that HP used to give us was slapped out of existence by the Panda and what little is left won't be distributed much to the subdomains.
Each hubber must now stand on their own merits instead of the reputation of HP as a whole. The Panda could indeed come back in a few weeks and slap us once more individually.
Sooo - when he comes back will he like my stuff? Or will he down check it and put me even further into the hole of oblivion? If he does, what am I doing wrong? How can I make him happy?
Quality, always quality. Should I now delete my poorer hubs? The non-performers or those written early in the game? Will the Panda care that I have 843398 backlinks and upgrade me in irregardless of how trashy my stuff is? Or will he down check me because I haven't spammed the entire net with backlinks?
Please, will someone with a direct line to God answer these questions so that I may sleep at night?
God is already inscribing a tablet of stone for you with the answer and he will drop it in on his way to the pub tonight!
Wish I could say that the sub-domain thing had changed this much, but traffic has remained around the same and only half the hubs have yet been re-indexed.
With other hubber's concerns about copied content, it did cross my mind whether any of the content thieves would be cheeky enough to slap a dmca notice on any of us, because the cache date is now newer than their stolen copy? How do we prove that our's is the original?
HubPages still provides the original date of publication under Hub Metrics. Either way, when a person submits a DMCA notice, they are doing so under the penalty of perjury, so I don't think anyone is going to question the authenticity of our requests.
Filling out DMCA notices with no valid claim is a major no-no; I don't think questioning the validity of our notices will be an issue.
Thanks for the reassurance girly-girl and wilderness, getting zapped for your own original content would be the final blow!
I agree! Thank goodness there's a proof of publication date.
And another thing: since Matt Cutts is the one who suggested that HP try the subdomain path (from what the WSJ article said, I believe), Google had sure better have thought through that terrible possibility of original content being confused for copied!
A new question, though: when the Google bots crawl our articles for re-indexing, does the "crawling" count as a visit? In traffic stats, I mean.
The one thing this sub-domain thing has definitely done is test my little brain cells! Not sure whether crawling by Google counts, we need a techie to come along!
Hmmmm...I think it might but it would only be one visit...so nothing major that would skew traffic results. I tried looking in analytics but I have way too many sources of traffic to sort through to find crawlers...if G's crawler did create significant "traffic" then I think it would be near the top of the list.
My thought is that it probably isn't something to worry about? I would be interested to know, though, either way!
I can't see the spiders visits would count - they visit every so often to update their cache, assign PR, etc. As sometimes hubs are indexed in only a few hours it would seem that several visits per day could well happen.
Oh good! Between a few libations and that tablet (maybe up alongside my head) I will definitely sleep.
I only have about half indexed as well. Nevertheless traffic is climbing somewhat. I also note that some hubs that used to be good but haven't done much since Panda are among the indexed and getting much better traffic.
As some of my best performers are now de-indexed completely they have lost traffic while those others have risen. The result is that traffic isn't really doing much, but as the better hubs get re-indexed I expect to see a large rise in total traffic.
Not sure about the DMCA notice, except that HP has the publication date and they would be the ones taking it down. Presumably that date could be used to prove publication time to Google or anyone else as well.
Just checked back in and nearly missed the article .. eeeek .. have just switched though I don't expect to see a big increase as I'd already panicked and moved a lot of mine but will start to rebuild and see what happens in the next few weeks.
I clicked and received a sub domain thinjy today as well.
I dont understand this index thing though ,do I have to manually move hubs and to where ?...
Also cpi is ? click per ...
Sorry for all the questions ,as I get average to good traffic but not much in earnings, so something needs tweeking -just what ,where and how much
Oh I need food.
In anticipation -thank you
Other than getting your subdomain name made "official" (which you've done), you don't need to do anything else. Old links will be redirected to your Hubs' new URLs. It's been recommended (by Paul Edmondson) that people let stuff be re-indexed "naturally" by Google.
What happened with mine (I was switched as part of the test a couple of weeks ago) was that what performed well traffic-wise changed for a while. My traffic wasn't a lot different, but Hubs that were getting traffic weren't the ones that were the better earners. The pre-Panda, better earners, had seemed to be pretty much buried. Over a fairly short time (a few days) I was seeing close to double traffic but those previous better performers seemed still buried. Over just the last few/several days the buried ones seemed to start picking up more traffic/earnings.
I had originally tried HP ads and Google together. I figured I'd see how each did. The HP ads dropped seriously for awhile before the subdomains happened, but then they went up. Google would have some slight increases, but not much. (Having HP ads can make your Google ads drop in earnings, and which ads work best for which Hubber/Hubs varies.)
The only thing you may want to do is pay attention to how your Ad Sense and any HP ads are doing. I just shut off HP ads the other day because after being sort of decent, dropping, and then going up again; I discovered recently that they were running pretty low (under $3 a day). That made me think that with the subdomain thing I might be better off with Ad Sense only, so I'm going to try that for the next month.
So, anyway, if you're patient enough and confident enough to take the recommendation of letting your Hubs be re-indexed "naturally" by Google, I think the only thing you need to do now is figure out which ad program(s) works best for you.
Here is a screenshot with my recent traffic spike. The last two days at the end correlates with the subdomain move...it is slowly but surely increasing back to pre-panda levels!
Yay, very glad to see your stats improving so much!
I hope others (those who deserve it, of course ) also experience the same results!
After looking closer at my stats, it is interesting to note that I now have one hub that has views quadrupling from the last few days with the subdomain update, so this is a major reason for this traffic increase. I still do have hubs that need to increase in traffic but I am still really hopeful!
It gives me some hope to see all of these successes with the subdomains . I've had mine about 5 days now, and seen about a 30% traffic increase and about a 15%-20% earnings increase. One of my star hubs dropped hugely in traffic, but I did notice that it lost its PR3 (I'm guessing the subdomain switch? Hope it doesn't take long to get PR back, that one made me happy ). Others have gone up a lot -- yesterday I had no less than four with double red arrows . Still a long way to go for pre-panda, but I already know a few things about my profile that Google won't like and am working to fix them. The initial responses in traffic and earnings look promising, at any rate.
I have a small second account (less than 40 pages) that is nothing but Amazon Hubs. Traffic has gone from 130 views a day to 320 views a day. I only signed up for sub-domains 4 or 5 days ago!
If it stays at that level from now to Xmas, that account, small as it is, will make some real money.
As for adsense from my main account- it has trebled over the last few days so I am pretty happy.
Izzy's been reporting success in other threads..I'm glad about this..I may join subdomains later on..I'm more concerned with my personal sites atm..having success with them
Crawling/indexing doesn't count as page views in stats. Hope that helps.
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