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  1. Nathan Janes profile image60
    Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago

    So I am trying to publish my articles that I have written so that they may be shared on this site and I am being told that I can't because they have been found on places like my website and such.

    I have never been paid or hired to put my work on a page and no one owns my work, so why can't I put my work on here to share with everyone?
    This is confusing and aggravating.

    Thanks for your help,

    Nathan

    1. CMHypno profile image90
      CMHypnoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The TOS of HubPages is that you can only post original content that has not been posted anywhere else.  Even if you wrote it, copied content is not allowed.

      Write something exclusively for HubPages and you will be fine! smile

    2. Nathan Janes profile image60
      Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I guess if this site doesn't want to make any money off my articles that is their loss.  It seems quite selfish for a site supporting independent writers to insist that they only put their work on this site and only this site.
      They are cutting their own throats when it could be their site that launches a writer that was previously on the web, but was never noticed till they were a part of Hubpages. Being selfish will only guarantee that you will limit your ability to market writers and your chances at income.

      If I can't share my work here, I guess I'll continue to look for someone that will eventually hire me and then pay me to share my work, or just stick with those that support the sharing of independent writers.

      1. CMHypno profile image90
        CMHypnoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It's not selfish - Google does not like copied content on the web, and the amount of copied content on this site was, and still is, hurting the whole of HP.

        Write one article, place it on one website.  Why would you need it in multiple locations, as it's only clogging up an already saturated web environment.  You can bookmark your articles, backlink them and generally promote them, but again always try to use unique copy in each of your bookmarks and blurbs.

        HP are not cutting their own throats, they are trying to stitch up already existing open wounds!

    3. Nathan Janes profile image60
      Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I think this site will fail like many others when they limit their content to be exclusively for HubPages and nothing else. Independent writers don't like to take a risk of counting on one site to be the engine of their success. If this site doesn't prove to be what it says then what are we to assume that the next site we try and publish our work on will say we can't share our work, because the last site our work appeared on failed at marketing our articles and now we can't try the new site to publish our work because the last failed.

      I'd love to share my work here and it would be a great loss if I can't because a site that wants to support independent writers is acting as if they are a mainstream outlet that pays the writers and owns their work exclusively for their site

      1. CMHypno profile image90
        CMHypnoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You sound like a spammer.

        HP has absolutely no responsibility for marketing your articles, that is entirely for you to do.

        I do not work for Google, but if you do not at least attempt to work out what it is that the currently biggest search engine wants then your content will be buried.

        HP does not make any money from the unnoticed and undiscovered - just like the writers here they need Hubs to be highly visible in SERPs and gaining a lot of traffic to make any money.

        But at the end of the day - it is their site, their business, they make the rules!

  2. Nathan Janes profile image60
    Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago

    CMHypno do you work for Google, why are you so concerned with them as if they own the web.
    If I were to take a guess I am beginning to think this site is the creation by larger interests, seeking out to make a profit on the unnoticed and undiscovered.

  3. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago

    I think HubPages will survive without your articles.

  4. ChrisIndellicati profile image82
    ChrisIndellicatiposted 5 years ago

    just because he wrote it in two different places doesn't mean its not original.

    1. Nathan Janes profile image60
      Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Exactly!

    2. Uninvited Writer profile image81
      Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The TOS says that only unique articles are allowed...period.

      1. Nathan Janes profile image60
        Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I've heard of "social networking", but this sounds like "anti-social networking"

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
          Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          This is not a social networking site.

          1. Nathan Janes profile image60
            Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Really, last I checked it was a hub for writers connect & to share their articles with each other???

            1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
              Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              No, it is a place to publish so the search engines find your articles and possibly earn you some money.

    3. CMHypno profile image90
      CMHypnoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Go read the TOS, unless you want every hub you post flagged and removed! Like UW said, this is not a social networking site!

  5. Nathan Janes profile image60
    Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago

    My bad its officially a Social Media Site, but which still encourages the social networking of its writers, so yes this is a social networking site I guess.
    Hubpages and its Benefits       

    Well too bad, I was just looking to network with other writers and share my work with them.

    1. CMHypno profile image90
      CMHypnoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Why not just write some original articles, post them here and get to know some hubbers?  You know, you may even enjoy it?

    2. Nathan Janes profile image60
      Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Being that you have invested so much in speaking for the company, I'm going to assume that CMHypno & UW are somehow connected to this company in the form of Public Relations and speak on their behalf.

      Well, so long!

      1. CMHypno profile image90
        CMHypnoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I can assure you that neither UW or myself work for HP. We just happen to have been here long enough to know the rules, and told you them when you asked.

        I'm sorry that you are so disappointed, but did you really think that they were miraculously going to change them just because you rolled into town and didn't like them?

        Good luck with your writing.

  6. frogdropping profile image84
    frogdroppingposted 5 years ago

    I'm afraid (Nathan) that Google and the way in which it works does have a bearing on sites all across the net. Those that are the same as this one, similar, your own sites.

    Whether or not the work is your own is irrelevant. Whilst Google can't read, the system does recognise duplicate content. However great a writer you are, duplicating your work around the internet will not gain you the traffic you require. It's far more likely that you'll suffer a penalty and find your work buried.

    Sites such as this reflect how the search engines gather their data. They work within the parameters of the services that they rely on in order to attract search engine traffic.

    On the flip side, it also means that anyone that scrapes your content (plagiarises) are equally penalised. It helps to protect the inegrity of the original author.

    Don't get mad about it, try and understand how it works. I appreciate your frustration but - that's the way the internet works.

    Imagine you invent something fantastic in the real world. Then someone copies your idea. Same scenario. You lose out to someone else's thieving attitude.

    1. Nathan Janes profile image60
      Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Everything is shared on the internet..you can't stop people from sharing content within their blogs. There are mainstream articles copied and shared everyday. Are you saying that these popular articles are buried and disappear off the net because they are popular?
      Wait for the next big story and then see how many people share that info..it makes it more popular. It seems to me you are being led by your master (Google) and formulating your ideas based on what they want your perception to be of the internet.
      The truth is that the internet doesn't work the way you say it does.
      I can do a simple article headline search in facebook and find a large assortment of people that share my articles which they found on different sites (Not just one) It's because they are on different sites people are more likely to find them.
      Just the same as many popular alternative news site have duplicates sites so if someone doesn't find their news on one site, they may come across it on another.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
        Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Sharing does not mean the entire article is posted in several places. You can link to articles as often as you wish and write a unique summary. Reprinting the entire article will only hurt you in the long run.  If I was looking to read a specific writer's work I would get very cheesed off if I kept finding the same article wherever I went.

        1. Nathan Janes profile image60
          Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I'd hate to break it to ya, but entire articles are shared everywhere on the web. It's what people do in order to spread the information in which the deem as important.
          Keep following the pigeon hole that Google wants to keep you in. There is a reason, because they don't want alternative media competing with the mainstream and muddying up their search results.

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
            Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Just because lots of people do it does not make it right. And that is why so many DMCAs are filed daily. People are smarter to spread links than reprint the entire article.

            Every single site I write for is now demanding that all articles must be unique.

            Nothing to do with denying alternative media a choice, if they article is unique there is nothing to worry about.

          2. classicalgeek profile image89
            classicalgeekposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You say, "I'd hate to break it to ya, but entire articles are shared everywhere on the web. It's what people do in order to spread the information in which the deem as important."

            And yet I notice on your site that it says, "No part of this site may be copied or modified without written permission."

            Forgive me but my brain is not passively absorbing all these remarks without analysis. I spent all week last week filing DMCA takedown notices because my article had been copied and shared everywhere on the web. So I'm a little leery of your hypocrisy.

            And UW is right, there is only one site I know of where you can post non-unique content. If you want to simply repost your stuff over and over, why not open 1,000 blogger blogs and repost your information as you please? (Oh, wait, does that violate Blogger's TOS?)

            1. Nathan Janes profile image60
              Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              My work is not to be promoted as other than my work. Sites and people that share my articles also post the author info. ( I have yet to come across anyone posting my articles as if they are their own)  I have no problem with people sharing my articles...that's the whole point, but my website is copyrighted to say I am the creator of the work.

              1. classicalgeek profile image89
                classicalgeekposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                People have copied my article plenty as if it were their own. I should know, as I spent all last week filing copyright infringement claims, even against supposedly reputable sites, and my work was copyrighted, too. That is why HP and all these other sites have these policies of unique content only; it is a) to protect the original authors; and b) to maximize the amount of money to be made from the articles that are posted here.

                If you like, I will be happy to repost your articles as my own on a ton of non-English speaking sites where these rules are not enforced, and you will quickly come to understand the value of HP's policy of unique content only.

                1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
                  Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Like Frogdropping said:  you can't educate carrots smile

                2. Nathan Janes profile image60
                  Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Unlike your suggestion, people that share my articles don't try and steal them and promote them under the perception of theirs.

                  If you could put my article up on the non-speaking sites it would be great. Reaching more people with my important information is the key.  Please share my articles with them. Thanks!

              2. IzzyM profile image87
                IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Nathan is right here. Google does not frown on duplicate content being posted so long as it also contains links back to the original author.
                And that is a very good strategy he has of making podcasts or sound only videos to read out the words he has written as he will potentially reach a far wider audience.
                However, that does not change the fact that HP rules do not allow any content that is not unique to Hubpages.

                1. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Really? hmm

                  1. IzzyM profile image87
                    IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    "What about duplicate content, you might ask? If your article is out on all these sites that are running a syndication feed, are you going to be penalized for duplicate content? According to Matt Cutts of Google, as long as the syndicated articles link back to the source site, you're all right."

                    http://www.ideamarketers.com/?Article_S … eid=193680

      2. Daniel Carter profile image90
        Daniel Carterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Backlinking to the original source of the content is a lot different than duplicating the content and posting it all over the net. People here have sincerely tried to give you relevant information to help you be successful, but so far, all that I've seen is that you've made them all your adversaries and scoffed at their hard-earned, valuable knowledge and help.

        I sincerely wonder if blood is reaching your brain. Maybe you should lie down for a while and let all this info catch up to you.

        But, if I'm mistaken, then you obviously should argue with Google instead of those who are trying to help you.

        Good luck with all that.

  7. frogdropping profile image84
    frogdroppingposted 5 years ago

    Nathan you can't educate carrots.

    Good luck.

  8. Nathan Janes profile image60
    Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago

    What's interesting, within the couple seconds my article was live on "Hubpages" it was share 50 times on Facebook...hhmmm your loss Hubpages...just think what a day would have brought.

    1. CMHypno profile image90
      CMHypnoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      My your fingers work fast LOL! lol

    2. Eric Graudins profile image60
      Eric Graudinsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      2,160,000 new viewers to HubPages by my reckoning!
      That's 15,120,000 new viewers a week, or some 453,600,000 a month.

      Wow. what a traffic magnet. You could be single handedly responsible for rescuing hubpages.
      They'd be be crazy to let you go.

      I suggest that you contact Paul Edmonson, one of the owners of Hubpages, and put a profit sharing proposal to him.

      NOW.

      (Edited to correct traffic figures. 50 views in 2 seconds = 1500 per minute, 90,000 per hour)
      30 day month assumed.

  9. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago

    Hubpages weeps bitter tears of regret, I am sure.

    1. Nathan Janes profile image60
      Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      yeah it called no generation of money off my articles. Too bad...

      1. psycheskinner profile image80
        psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Seriously dude, they have a strategy, they have rules.  It's working fine for them. Stop taking it so personally.

  10. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago

    Why not provide a link here so we can check out your amazing writing?

    1. Nathan Janes profile image60
      Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Deleted

      1. Nathan Janes profile image60
        Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I also create audio versions of my articles for those that are acclimated into our new culture and have a hard time reading anything longer than a paragraph.

        1. Nathan Janes profile image60
          Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          HAHA they deleted my post of where to find my existing article that they wouldn't allow on here. AH HAHAHA!

          Good luck being locked down here while they profit off you and keep you in confinement.  HAHA I can't believe they deleted the link because someone was interested in something I wrote that wasn't allowed on here because it was previously posted somewhere else. aHH haha

          This site is a joke..good luck to you all! I'd say I'd see ya on the internet, but after this site fails, there will be no place to find what you wrote.

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
            Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Most people here write on several sites as well as their own blogs.

          2. Eric Graudins profile image60
            Eric Graudinsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, I agree 100% with you there.
            But not for the reasons that have been discussed in this thread.

            Google has no problem with duplicate content - unless it is multiple copies of the same content on the one website.

            As far as multiple copies of the same content showing up on different websites, google gives a higher ranking to the page that it considers to be the definitive version.

            Each site can make up their own rules for material that is posted.
            If people don't like it, they can remove their content.
            As I have done.

  11. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 5 years ago

    I have found this entire thread a complete joke.

    Is there something about DUPLICATE that YOU do not understand Nathan?

    One of the main criteria search engines frown upon is duplicate content. That means, since all sites work off search engine traffic, then search engines will dictate whether or not, duplicate content is or has value.

    What value duplicate content has is important to the sites overall ranking and must be taken into consideration.

    HP does not want duplicate content and if YOU have simply come to HP to post articles you have elsewhere, then you will not be publishing here. Duplicate content isn't original content. Duplicate content is COPIED content from somewhere else on the Internet. Since, the copied content already exists somewhere else on the Internet, it is NOT original content.

    So, do HP and Members a favor- get over yourself and move on.

    1. psycheskinner profile image80
      psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      +1

      1. Nathan Janes profile image60
        Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        +2 = 3

  12. Nathan Janes profile image60
    Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago

    Sure invest everything into one site so if/when it goes under or disappears from the net you are left with a whole internet of links directing everyone to a broken link and have to rebuild your network of interests in your work.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Foolish statement.

      Diversity is good, but not based on duplicate content. roll

    2. Uninvited Writer profile image81
      Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      As I have said before, most people write at more than one place.

      1. Nathan Janes profile image60
        Nathan Janesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You can only have your article in one place. It would suck to have your source where all your work go under and all your left with is a sample of your article on other websites and no way to view the whole article because it no longer exists.  Better hope this site never tanks. Otherwise all the work you put into marketing your work is lost and you have to start back at the beginning.

        Google the exact title of my article  "Unplug the Signal: The Truth Will Not Be Televised " and you get 50,100 results.
        This will keep growing and every day more and more people find my article and share it on their sites. My articles have been read/listened/ shared by tens of thousands of people.
        Your obsession with being against sharing your articles on the web will only confine you and keep people from discovering what you have to say.

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
          Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Other than Facebook, Twitter and my own blogs I don't post links to them anywhere else. And I have copies of all my articles.

          The TOS of this site were not written by me...

        2. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          What part do you not understand?

          You do not have only one place to write articles. You have only one place to write a particular article. If you want to write the same article on other sites, that is word for word, then it will be flagged as duplicate content. Otherwise, you must write a similar article, which is not considered duplicate content.
          Then it would be best that suit the articles to being similar, but NOT exactly the same.
          This statement is ridiculous and shows ignorance. If HP tanks, then it would only require members to make minor adjustments, which you apparently don't seem to grasp.
          Wrong.
          So what? Too many factors and other variables are to be taken into account when punching any title into a search engine.
          Nice assumption. You sound so full of yourself, it's not even funny, yet is actually quite funny in one aspect.
          Cool. Then you don't need to be here?
          Wrong. But, I don't expect you to understand.

          1. Eric Graudins profile image60
            Eric Graudinsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            And what adjustments would these be Cagsil?

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hey Eric,

              You already know, because you've already made them. lol lol

              1. Eric Graudins profile image60
                Eric Graudinsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Hardly minor - as you also know :-)

                1. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  lol lol

                  In some cases, yes it was hardly minor. In some others, it was only minor, simply because of that person's ability. wink

                  Since, not everyone is equal in knowledge, some will consider their adjustments minor and some will consider it major. I guess it is based on their point of view. lol

        3. IzzyM profile image87
          IzzyMposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe I am mistaken, but Nathan you are giving me the distinct impression that all you want is your writing out there. Maybe you want to clean up the world (here's a brush, give it back when you are finished).

          The whole dup content, fresh content, new content debate is of interest to marketers, not philosophers.

  13. MelissaBarrett profile image61
    MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago

    Oh good, another person I won't have to flag for duplicate content.  Thanks bunches... Ta Ta!

  14. IzzyM profile image87
    IzzyMposted 5 years ago

    But Hubpages TOS does NOT allow duplicate content, even if you wrote it and include backlinks.

    I think that is the right road for Hubpages, because too many people were simply stealing content and passing it off as their own.

    I also note that several sites have Hubpages listed online as a syndicate content site, which it clearly isn't.

 
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