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How do I post song lyrics without violation

  1. Cardisa profile image91
    Cardisaposted 5 years ago

    Can someone tell me how to post song lyrics without it being a duplicate violation?

    1. Rochelle Frank profile image90
      Rochelle Frankposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Let me first say: "I don't know". Take that as a given, and everything else with a grain of alt..

      But, you can probably post a link to a site that has a legal right to post it.

      You might even  be able to include a line or two--- and go on to give our own interpretation of the song or the lyric.

      If you request permission from the songwriter or artist-- to write about it and include a link, you may get a slap, or a big go-ahead.

      1. Cardisa profile image91
        Cardisaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you Rochelle I followed you advice! smile

    2. Uninvited Writer profile image82
      Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Probably if you make sure that you have more content that you have quoted lyrics your hub will not be classified as a duplicate. I have lyrics on one of my hubs and I haven't gotten any violations ... yet.  I do say where I got the lyrics and I have a link to the site...the singer/songwriter's official website.

      1. Cardisa profile image91
        Cardisaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks UW, I remove the lyrics and posted the link. I also named my source of info about the Singer

    3. GalaxyRat profile image78
      GalaxyRatposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      Place the copyright. I sometimes copy & paste from MetroLyrics or KLove.com, but I always include the copyright...

  2. FloraBreenRobison profile image59
    FloraBreenRobisonposted 5 years ago

    The only way  you can do it is  in relation to analysis of the lyrics as if you were writing an essay for school-see Nellianna's hub on Plaisir D'Amour. she listed the lyrics completely  in French, English, and the popular lrics  of a tune she knew and loived, thinking the lyrics  were correct translations-of course they weren't.   As such, I would say write the anaylsis part first and type in the lyrics later  so the engines know you are not just posting lyrics. I used to  put in links  first  for waht research I used-always I got the overly promotional warning. So now I add them last and  there is no problem

    1. Cardisa profile image91
      Cardisaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks Flora, I did an analysis of the song as you suggested and I think it's better than just posting the lyrics.

  3. Bard of Ely profile image87
    Bard of Elyposted 5 years ago

    I am s singer-songwriter and have no objections to anyone quoting my lyrics as long as they give credit to me as the writer. One the subject of quoting lyrics by other writers I have sometimes quoted a verse or lines in the context of a hub. I am sure that is OK!

  4. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image95
    Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years ago

    I copy paste lyrics to complete songs into hubs all the time - I've never once had a problem with that because my hubs tend to nearly always go to around 1500 words or so. 

    I've got a hub that is simply "Songs about cocaine" which has complete lyrics to I don't know how many songs, and that's no problem either.

    If I write a hub about someone like The Bard of Ely - then me putting complete song lyrics from a Bard of Ely song into the hub about him isn't a problem either, as clearly they are his lyrics.

    I pretty much always include a video from youtube for lyrics - who wants to read lyrics without hearing the song?  The video also seconds the source as Bard of Ely, or Johnny Cash, or whoever I'm talking about.

    Anyone can use quotes or lyrics - the thing is to source that stuff to the author, and to have enough unique text to support the hub that the quotes or lyrics aren't the majority of the text.  There is a percentage of text that must be reached to keep a hub from having a "duplicate content" warning.

    It's really not to hard to do or get done - and if it's against the rules, then it's mind blowing that I've been doing it consistently for over a year without getting flagged for it. . . .

    I spent last night deleting over 200 RSS FEED capsules, as I do see how those things really are duplicate content - and because Google could possibly frown upon those for that reason, and combined with the fact that in reality, the RSS FEEDs were created as a sort of "fresh content" trick to trick the almighty Google. . . .and because smarter people than me have been analyzing statistics and deduced as much. . .don't worry about lyrics - just delete your RSS feeds!

    1. DonnaCSmith profile image82
      DonnaCSmithposted 5 years ago in reply to this
      1. DonnaCSmith profile image82
        DonnaCSmithposted 5 years ago in reply to this
        1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image95
          Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That's interesting!  But I fail to see how it's against any TOS here or with Adsense.

          For instance - If I'm copy pasting Johnny Cash lyrics into a hub - then you can bet that I've also got Johnny Cash music for sale on amazon.com.

          So if you were the family of the late Johnny Cash - then you would probably realize that I'm doing you a favor, promoting the music products that got you the wealth that you have, and also selling more of them so as to ensure your families continued wealth.

          If I'm breaking rules - Hubstaff has always let me know about it.

          1. Simone Smith profile image91
            Simone Smithposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The gist is this: We can only review so much, so usually lyric-heavy Hubs are moderated because of duplicate content (seeing as that's something that automatic filters can easily find an alert us about). 
            That said, if any content is illegally used and we are made explicitly aware of that, the Hub containing that content will be moderated. Illegally used content is illegally used content. We don't have the resources to make sure that each and every bit of text or image is legally used, but we expect everyone to do the right thing.

  5. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago

    Fiction is different than non-fiction and a novel is different than a hub. It would be the same if you quote lyrics on TV or a movie. As long as you give proper credit online it's okay.

    1. DonnaCSmith profile image82
      DonnaCSmithposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Actually the copyright law for lyrics and poetry is more strict than for prose, and it is no different for fiction and nonfiction, photos, art ,etc. You are breaking the law if you copy without permission (in fiction and non-fiction prose there is the "fair use" exception.

      Giving proper credit has nothing at all to do with it, You need the author's permission. It is Federal law, not Hub law:o)

      The best thing to do is read the copyright laws. There is a huge misconception that all one has to do is give credit.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
        Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I am quite aware of copyright laws. I thought lyrics were different. I knew you have to get permission when having them in a book. I guess I figured since so many lyrics sites are still allowed to exist that it was okay. I doubt most of them get permission.

        Okay, you are probably right and we shouldn't republish them unless we have permission from the writer.

  6. Cardisa profile image91
    Cardisaposted 5 years ago

    I want to thank all of you for your advice. I really appreciate my hub buddies. I love HP FORUMS.... big_smile

    1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image95
      Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I sort of already e mailed someone on staff about this so as to (hopefully) get a definite answer.  I'm positive that lyrics are fine so long as they are credited to the author - as I've been doing that for over a year without a problem.

      1. Cardisa profile image91
        Cardisaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Wesman, I recently did a hub about Bob Marley and his One Love lyrics. I gave a little background on Bob Marley and how the song was named the song of the millennium and the best Jamaican song for 50 years and they still unpublished my hub for duplicate content.

        1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image95
          Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          DANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          I did a recent hub on Doc Watson - and I put the entire lyrics to one song in the article - but when you do that - you have to have a LOT of totally original text to prevent the HP software from marking it as "duplicate content."

          I don't know what the percentage is - but I am POSITIVE that there is a percentage of text that must be original to keep a hub from being marked and unpublished as "duplicate content."

          I'd say just write another five hundred words about Bob Marley on your hub - and I bet that that will take care of it.

  7. Cardisa profile image91
    Cardisaposted 5 years ago

    Thanks Wesman, I posted a link to the lyrics and did an analysis on the lyrics. I actually like the hub better now.

  8. sushantkshr profile image74
    sushantkshrposted 5 years ago

    I dunno how Hubpage works duplicate content....But google wont mark your content plagiarised if you put the lyrics in inverted quotes....("")....as a lot of hubpages algorithm depends on how google works..it might work out for you this way......
    give it a try and do let me know if you succeed.....smile
    all the best:)

    1. janderson99 profile image84
      janderson99posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      put the text into and image !!!

      Use print screen - open up in an image tool  =>  Voila!

      Below is the image!

      http://s2.hubimg.com/u/5421717.jpg

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
        Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That is still a copyright violation.

  9. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image95
    Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years ago

    There is nothing in this world that is illegal if no one files or reports a violation of words on paper known as "law."  If someone I'm promoting through lyrics complains, I'll gladly remove the content - and all the amazon capsules that make them more profit than me when a sale is made.

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
      Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Then I'll copy all of your content and spread it all over the 'net smile

      1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image95
        Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That would be fine if I had recordings for you to sell on amazon.com - in fact - I would then be VERY proud for you to do that.

        Most artist PAY MONEY for promotion - if you don't believe that, you're missing LOTS.

  10. profile image60
    katherynmcmahonposted 5 years ago

    I have worked for a record label. If the composer is a indie band or an individual just ask for permission. Most bands are happy to have someone put the lyrics on the internet. We practically had to beg to get lyrics up.

    If it is a signed group. You need to contact the publisher.  In most cases the composer and artist sell the publication  rights to their label. If you have the CD look on the back. If you plan to put them on your website you probably won't get into trouble if it is properly copyright noted. Some people are very picky. Gene Simmons owns the rights to his music and he gets very touchy about anything!

    If you plan to publish a book of lyrics or include a sampler in a song then you absolutely must contact the publisher for rates.

    The American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers provides a searchable database where you'll find composers, titles, publishers, and other pertinent information for millions of compositions.
    http://www.ascap.com

    Hope this helps

    1. DonnaCSmith profile image82
      DonnaCSmithposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Katheryn, thank you for the info and the link. I am bookmarking it for future research!

  11. psycheskinner profile image82
    psycheskinnerposted 8 weeks ago

    Both 1) use copyright free lyrics AND 2) have quotes be less than 5% of the hub in total.

 
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