I sorta like HP. I find some of what the rest of the people here have to say interesting. But let's be honest. I'm hear for the backlinks. I am writing hubs as part of my SEO.
Problem is I can't get my score over 66 much less up to the 75 mark and I'm getting tired of it. I hop hubs every day, flagging as much of the spun crap as I can. I comment on other people's hubs after reading them. I follow people I am slightly interested in and seem to be getting some followers of my own. But after almost a month I am not much closer to getting the elusive 75.
Today I decided to take down almost half my hubs. Let's see if the hubs that don't score as well on their own really make a difference to my over all score. If that doesn't work I'm moving everything over to Squidoo.
Anyone else have any other thoughts?
I wish I could help you but I have a score of 69 after only writing one hub. I have no clue what the score is based on but I have a feeling mine will fall if I don't write another hub soon. Good luck.
You need to get traffic to your hubs - most hubs which have 0 traffic will tend to get a lower score etc...
I have written 10 hubs in 3 weeks and my score is up to 91.
I am following about 5 new people per day and I read and comment.....good comments to their hubs. I answer at least 2 questions per day. I take note of my e-mail update and check out any hubs I follow for new work and read them.
I am now moving to participate in forums so we will see what happens. I think it is participation in HP which increases hub score as much as anything.
And I thought it was my profile page. The scoring is BS, and after having over 300 readers my score hasn't moved up but one point. But when I had 117 readers my score was 91. Personally, I think trolls come along and vote good hubs down... I know all of my hubs are quality writing, don't know what they want to make them happy. But I agree 100% with you. I asked for assistance and what information I received didn't answer my question. Something is wrong here Houston...Write for you and you only.
Valerie, the main thing is not to stress about scores. They're just an ego thing -and anyway, 89 is perfectly respectable!
The topic of voting up and down has been discussed many times, and they have very little effect on your scores. So even if there are trolls around, you don't need to worry about them.
Looking at your Hubs, they seem to be just a large chunk of text, possibly all written in one capsule. That will be lowering your score. Hubs are meant to be like magazine articles, enhanced with photos and videos to provide a visually interesting experience. In a magazine, you'd just write the article and a graphic designer would add the other stuff - here on HP, you have to be your own graphic designer.
It's not hard to add photos - I wrote a Hub about how to get them from Flickr (you'll find a link in my profile). Adding Youtube clips is as easy as searching on Youtube and copying the link.
You can also create highlighted text capsules if there's a point you particularly want to emphasise.
This is a useful explanation of how capsules work:
Thanks, I will be following up on this.
Ok, I am back form my outing on my boat, and i have looked at this information. I will try to do all the things it suggest, but the truth is... I think the scoring is a little suspect. As I read more post, I see that I shouldn't complain. My hubs are doing quite well actually compared to many, and I agree maybe it is a teeny bit ego. I do not need HUB pages to validate my writing skills, nor do I need Hubpages to validate me as a writer. My pocketbook does that. But I enjoy writing. Made it my passion, and I will stick with it, no matter what I don't like about it. Readership is all that matters. I will make my poignant information more visually creative...You've just made a monster out of me...look out and beware.
So I've written 61 Hubs in the 2 months I've been here. I write whenever I get an idea. The idea here is to sit my butt down to my laptop and write without getting distracted. I'm using HubPages to learn more about online writing, and I've played with the Forum, answered questions, answered everyone who left a comment for me, and dumped some followers. I just write and don't pay attention to my scores. I don't suffer from Hub Score Envy. My score has gone as high as 90, dipped down to 82, but pretty much stays at 85-86-87. I've got about a year's experience from The Other Guys before HubPages, but I know online writing doesn't pay squat. But I do like it here because the natives are friendly. I don't know where these people get the idea that they get loads of money by writing for online sites. Expect to be disappointed if you do. I've worked as a reporter, writer, graphic artist, and photographer. If you're after the big bucks, get some writing experience, then go after magazine writing and novel writing. Freelancing is not easy. I certainly would not make a living out of it--even with my experience. But I do love to write. My goals are different. I am retired. I write for the pure joy of it, but a lot of people are after the money. Trust me. Unless you learn the craft, treat your writing like a business, are willing to build a following and sell your writing to an agent or a publisher, you won't earn a dime. Online publishing is an instant fix, but some writers and editors are willing to put too much bang in for the bucks. Or should I say--pennies? At the same time, I'm working on my novel. Hell, I've been working on my novel for decades, but life seems to get in the way.
Are you saying the money deposited into my bank account from online writing sites each month isn't real? I've been paying bills with fake money all this time? ARRRRRGH!
I tell this to writers all the time. Don't ever give up on your writing because if you do, that's one less voice.
It may not pay squat to you, but I've been able to support myself writing for HubPages and a few of The Other Guys for the last several years. I don't have a lavish lifestyle, but I get to decide when I want to work and when I don't feel like it, I can just take the day off. And several times per year, I take off and travel for a few weeks at a go.
Just because you can't make a living at it doesn't mean other people are just like you.
Haha, relache... I totally read this wrong: "I've been able to support myself writing for HubPages and a few of The Other Guys for the last several years."
I read it as, "I've been able to support myself and a few of the other guys, writing for HubPages."
Seriously almost died laughing.
Some of your hubs are very good Relache. Some left me wanting. It is all about keywords and who wants to read them isn't it?
I like to write about things few people want to read about. I have however sold a couple of hundred ebooks on Amazon.
Any pointers on revving up revenue,? I have only published 3 hubs, and my revenue is pretty good for becoming active in the HP community, as well as my "score". I joined 6 months ago, but didn't get really involved till about 3 weeks ago.
Arlene, once upon a time I'd have said, "you'd be surprised". I write as a hobby so am not into the hard work of "real" freelance writing - my websites and online revenue-sharing sites work well for me.
I have to say, I've tried several and none of them come anywhere close to Hubpages in terms of earnings per article. My best article on HP has earned over $300 in 3 years, and I'm not a SEO guru nor do I backlink my Hubs. Have patience - one of the things about HubPages is that articles seem to languish for some months before starting to get serious income.
Don't quit. Those of us who have been here for ions do not worry so much about a hub score. I understand the frustration just interract more with the community, read other hubs from other writer's, answer questions and do not over stuff your keywords on your hubs and the score will begin to rise. Try to research unique topics ones that others have not wrote about.
Put your hubs back up and keep writing. I will be happy to check some of them out and see how I can assist you with your score.
you haev only been writing on hubpages for 3 weeks, it usually take about 3 months of good hard effort to get a high score like one which you want. I say this because I took a quick peek at some of your hubs, and you have a lot of them considering you've only been here for 3 weeks.
Welcome to hubapges. I'll take a bit mroe of a look.
Hi...I would generally agree with the good folks ahead of me.
My understanding is that your expectations should be similar to the stock-market's "long view"...you just have to keep working and one day you look up...BOOM...75...or whatever.
I think, after having been here for 4 weeks, that if you were to stayed glued to the screen for half-hour updates for your scores...you would die in 37 days...tho...not sure...I'm more than several months away from getting a medical degree...closer to 12 years I suppose...hmmm...that dream may be dead...Good luck which ever way you decide to go tho.
It takes longer than 3 weeks to get your hubscore up. Unpublishing low scoring hubs will not help. I have hubs ranging from the low 50s to the high 90s...most are in the 60s. It doesn't not effect my score that much.
Posting more in the forums, making comments, answering questions...these will help to get you score up. And yes...you need traffic to your hubs. If you take the time to put up quality content without just using hubs for backlinks you will find you will benefit a lot more in the long run.
Yours are darned good hubs. I am at a loss as to your score. My guess is that Rebecca is right as to the time factor.
You've also had some problems with duplicate content, paraphrasing, and irrelevant tags. Regularly following our rules should help your score. If you have any questions about said rules, I'm happy to answer 'em.
the duplicate content and paraphrasing are my fault. I've written similar articles elsewhere and amazingly enough ended up writing either the same thing or similar here. I've corrected that problem. The irrelevant tags I don't get. I'm just using the tags that were suggested.
On a different note one of my hubs got taken down today and I can't figure out why. Who do I contact about that?
Usually, you should email the team inbox, but in this case, it was me who moderated your Hub, and I added personalized note within the violation email you were sent. Tags like "fun" and "friends" were irrelevant to the content of the Hub itself.
What does your score matter? I would assume your goal was to get readers and/or money not some arbitrary number?
Hi psych...I think you need a certain Hub number before they will allow you to set up link type stuff? Maybe...well...seems like 75 has been bandied about? Anyways... therein lies the money he seeks.
All links when you have a score under 75 are no-follow.
Hey UW...For the "hub score" or the "Hubber score"?
I just recently returned here to write. I found that HubPages serves my creativity needs. At the same time, it requires a committment of articles, follow ups, participation, etc. You need to establish yourself as a brand, and that takes time. Once I started to backlink my hubs I found more activity. I hope you will stay.
Forgive my stupidity -- what's a "backlink?"
A backlink is a link from another website or web page to your hub. Backlinks may increase traffic to your hub in one of two ways: 1) people may click on the link and move from the other website to your hub 2) a link from a highly ranked website to your hub transfers Page Rank to your hub which in turn increases the page rank of your hub and may result in you ranking higher in the search engine results. The higher you rank the more likely people will find your hub when they search for the subject you are writing about.
Not all backlinks are created equal, however. A link from a spammy site to your hub can actually hurt your PR and lower your search engine ranking. Also it is better if the link comes from a site or web page which is relevant to the topic of your hub. For example, if you write a hub about Corvettes, it is best if you get a link from a site about cars, or even better specializing in articles about Corvettes. A link to an article about Corvettes coming from a site about rock collecting would be next to useless.
I hope this helps
great answer! I also love your quote "Not all backlinks are created equal."
Thanks -- sorry I didn't get back here sooner to let you know I appreciated your response. I guess I need to work on some "blogging" PR on other sites --
Okay I am pulling the blonde card here on the back link thing, so you backlink on their website, or on your hub, I have confused myself.
okay on your advice I republished everything I had pulled earlier. We'll just have to wait and see.
I'm a small business person and don't have time to work on things that aren't going to pay off. I think HP is a great idea but it takes a certain amount of my day and if I'm never going to get to the promised land of 75 I need to redirect my efforts.
Does that violator doohickey at the bottom of the stats page check tags as one of its processes? Just curious.
Hi Mcham Law
I like your hubs, your writing, the useful information you provide through your hubs. But 3 weeks is a very short period of time.
I am new and found my hubs were not being viewed as much as I thought they deserved, so I started looking for hubs that could tell me why. I came up with several hubs and hubbers that provided great information but there is one that stands out for me:
HubPages GIANT Guide To Getting Traffic And Making Money by Gallant
There are many others, as I say. Don't loose heart. HubPages people are extremely supportive and helpful. I say, hang around longer, write more hubs, maybe tweaking some hubs, and just push through.
You now have one more follower.
I second this advice. Please don't give up!
I have been writing here at HP for 2 years, and just started keeping a gardening blog (link on my profile page). HP has given me lots of great practice for establishing my blog, which I write to sell my gardening book.. I am still working on some children's book MSs on the side, because I know that HP will not pay for my bread and butter in the near future. It will take more time.
When I see it dropping toward 90, I write another hub and visit the forums, but I try to not take it totally seriously because my priority is to spend time giving my daughter the attention she needs and deserves, not the computer. I go stretches without writing anything. Did that when I wrote my book, too, which is why that endeavor took 8 months instead of the publisher's desired 3 months (LOL! on THAT timing!).
So...do what you have to and keep in touch!
Mcham Law has zero Hubs now and has been banned. It would seem that Admin has gotten much more serious when it comes to new users who don't read the TOS or FAQ and build entirely self-promotional Hubs. (all his Hubs were promoting his law firm)
My reply to a comment you made in another thread is relevant to this situation.
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/81237?p … ost1751557
So the goal is to get backlinks for your business? Backlinking to the same url from every hub might well be what is keeping the score down.
I think you might be right, on his profile page alone there are 5 links to his domain which seems a bit overboard. I saw a link to the same domain in all of the hubs I checked as well.There is a difference between SEO and extensive over promotional linking.
Like others noted 3 weeks isn't very long, the scores take some time to rise.
Why not hire an SEO firm and spend your time doing what you do best. Like most things in life it's a time/money trade off.
I feel fortunate and lucky I joined 6 months and got side tracked opening a local restaurant, now wanting to change direction i reconnected about 3 weeks ago and my score ranges in the 80's and hubs are getting good comments. I Always appreciate the comments, good and bad. I have made some revenue, nothing to pay the bills, but I can see the potential.
From what I've seen and experienced, the main thing that gets a hubber past that 75 threshold is having a certain proportion of hubs in the library that are decent quality and not promotional/spammy/duplicate, etc. I believe that's the core requirement, while the rest - the social stuff - can raise it higher. But it does seem to be impossible to get it over 75 if your account is too weighted towards the kind of content HubPages devalues.
okay, so what you are telling me is I should write some hubs that don't link to my page and are just for fun? what? have fun?? what is that????
If every single Hub has a link to the same website, that will trigger the "overly promotional" filter.
So yes, that does mean you need to write some Hubs that don't link to that website. That doesn't mean they have to be purely for fun, though.
Do you understand that creating backlinks to your backlinks is also valuable? Instead of linking directly to your website, you can use links to articles you've written elsewhere, which will make the links in them more valuable, and so on.
This is a good article on that kind of strategy:
Although I would use Xobba.com, Excerptz.com and ThisisFreelance.com instead of Shetoldme, Ezinearticles and Factoidz as they haven't done well post-Panda.
Until I can get a hold of Oli I currently don't know what's happened to thisisfreelance.com it's currently offline...
I just noticed the Hub was snipped, which is strange because it's not self-promotional - I didn't write the Hub in question. Here it is again in case the OP didn't get back in time to see it:
http://sunforged.hubpages.com/hub/The-U … -backlinks
You're not required to have fun, in fact you'll find several site users whose multi-year forum history demonstrates that they are bitter and angry at HubPages perpetually, however if you want a score over 75 and for your links to become do-follow, your current strategies for building content and links most likely aren't going to produce the results you want.
The personal scoring here is kind of bogus. I just write and let the numbers fall where they may. There is no Real rhyme or reason for the scores.
As many have said and I'll add, yes you don't need to have fun it can be a business, however, having a "click here" might be the cause of some of your problems. And yes 75 mean a do follow link, but as many have siad after that what matters is what you write.
Just when you guys had managed to talk me into giving HP more time they pull two of my hubs. One is now irrevocable and the other needs revision. No explanation other than the standard BS about deceptive tags title or category. The title was how to screw your spouse in a divorce. The point of the hub was that a happy life is the best revenge. I tried to modify the title to make it a little more clear for those who aren't able to understand irony but nope, they just pulled it.
I'm sorry you've had trouble. The tags system isn't well explained.
You're not supposed to use all the tags that are suggested. They're just produced by an automated filter that picks up on frequently used words in your Hub. You have to be very selective and only use the tags which are truly reflective of the content.
If you used the word "screwed" you probably got unpublished for that. Adult content - including "naughty" words - are not allowed on sites that use Adsense.
I'm not sure what everyone else said... so this might be duplicated..
The key -as I see it- is getting traffic to your hubs.
Go to google and list your site. Then yahoo, then bing etc.
I used monkeysocial for the first two weeks and that drove alot of traffic to my poems.
Also use facebook. I have about 300 friends and they usually look at what i write because i dont ask them to look at much stuff.
Also, participating in the forums helps a little.
Answering questions helps too.
Your hub score means absolutely nothing. It has nothing to do with how much money you can or cannot earn. Hub scores have more to do with the amount of traffic you get rather than if someone might vote down you hub. Also, adding some pictures makes you hubs more attractive and might keep people on your hubs longer.
There are a few things you can do. Since you're here for the backlinks, and pretty much the backlinks only, I'd removed the Amazon capsules. I believe that while Amazon capsules can make money, they can slightly lower a hub's score (and google ranking for the particular hub, which you're really not here for, though.)
Here are some great ways to get to that sweet, juicy spot on HubPages so that you can get a high enough score for your backlinks to be dofollow:
Create some "linkbait" hubs. These are hubs that are really interesting and are great ways to get people to love your content... a hub that users love is a great way to get your hubscore up. You can even get a backlink from it. Make a hub about something silly like:
How to Totally Screw Your Wife Over in Court
Weird Divorce Laws
The Strangest Court Cases in History
Still Love Him? 8 Ways to Stall Divorce Proceedings
This is a billion times more worthwhile than just getting your hubscore up to par enough so that your links are dofollow. If people like your content here, your content here will get backlinks which will give them a higher page rank. What does this mean? It means that your backlinks to your law office will mean a heck of a lot more (and will likely blow your competition out of the water!)
Also, write some hubs that don't link out to your site. A great way to kind of "cheat" at this is to write about Round Rock, Texas. Write things that will get people to your hubs from the search engines. Stuff like "7 Hot Hang Out Spots in Round Rock, Texas" or "Things to do in Round Rock, Texas." Why do I call this cheating? Because people who are searching for this stuff are likely from Round Rock (or going to be there...) it's a great way to get exposure for the law office. It also kind of tells Google... "Hey, this guy is all ABOUT Round Rock" and it kind of means more for your backlinks... kind of complicated so I won't majorly go into this... but yeah, a lot of us are here for backlinks, but stop and have fun with HubPages... talk about Round Rock and other things that are slightly related to the law firm without actually linking out.
Also, head on over to Flickr for some of those free for commercial-use pictures to use in your hubs to spice them up. When a hubpages user sees the same pic over and over, it can sometimes seems spammy and instead of reading your hubs and rating them up, we have the tendency to skip on over to the next hubber.
Going around the community following hubbers, commenting on their stuff IS helpful, but you'll see yourself doing this FOREVER in order to keep your hubscore up.
Don't quit HubPages. Sometimes it takes a while for those individual scores to crawl up -- when they do, your links will be dofollow.
Thanks for this post melbel - great ideas there!
great ideas and I'm going to jump on them but apparently you can't say things like screw. One of my hubs was How to Screw Your Spouse in a Divorce and it got taken down.
Thanks for all the encouragement!
There's some really great advice here, but I'm going to go ahead and add my two cents worth as well.
First, all in all, scores mean diddly squat. They're nice, they're pretty, but in the long run, the only thing they really help to boost is your ego.
If you want a true picture of how your hubs are performing, use Google Analytics. It'll give you really all the information you can handle, plus some.
Ok, wait, someone mentioned something about do-follow links? If the hub is completely original, complies with the TOS, and is optimized for the search engines, then usually you'll get a good enough score for your links to work like you want them.
But, and this is my opinion, HubPages isn't the best platform to create articles solely for the purpose of generating links. There's a million other ways to do that that are more effective. If you're able to create a niche market for yourself here, then you can (over time) make a decent amount of money through HubPages. However, if you're just writing to generate links, typically that type of writing tends to be sub-standard, and Google as well as HP notices.
My suggestion is to write articles here to earn money, without the focus on using HP as a platform to create links. If you write well then it's easy to create a following. Once you have a decent following then people will want to know more about you - and your business.
The nice thing about HP is that you keep earning, even if you step away for awhile.
I do pretty much what you suggested. My niche hubs did very well and the visitors praised my advice and help. I don't use HP for linking elsewhere and did make money until someone, or something, decided to place my hubs below those with less informative and incomplete coverage of the subject.
Google often sucks at determining which article should be listed first, as you know if you are searching for answers to problems or other concise information.
I don't think they know how to achieve the best results and are just trying things hoping they will get lucky. I hope they will eventually disappear altogether as a search engine and are eventually treated as a harmful and undesirable monopoly.
I'm with ya there.. I remember when Yahoo was big news. For a few years, you couldn't turn on the TV without hearing that stupid Yahoooo yodeler. Now, I miss those days. There was a lot of competition among search engines (Lycos, Netscape, Ask Jeeves, AltaVista, and on and on) and nobody really had achieved the status that Google now holds - with an exception of Yahoo, maybe.
But, I think that - like all internet trends - Google will one day (soon) be obsolete. People got tired of the crap that Yahoo tried to pull, and they'll get tired of Google just as well. Maybe Facebook will get into the game and become the next dominant search site. I don't know.. I see Google starting to grow distant from what people really want from the Internet, and unless they start to get an idea I think they'll slowly sink from their high and mighty first place standing. At least, we can only hope.
Google's search engine is already obsolete. I will be glad when their company experiences the same fate.
I disagree. You're assuming that someone who writes to create links will automatically produce poor copy.
Every single one of my dance Hubs was created to produce links. I invite you to read them and see if that's the case. In my view, revenue-sharing sites are a great place to get links, because you get a double whammy. You get a link, AND you get paid.
Thank you about not worrying about back links, I do believe that HP can earn you a good chunk of change just on one's ability to write, and frankly that is all I want to be known for, good writing. I am sure if I ever figure out the back link thing I may try/
Thanks for all of the advice. I'm following some of it and trying to be patient.
of course in the meantime I've irritated the moderators and all of my hubs have to be approved before they can be published...grrrrr
I know but it's frustrating. I made a mistake with the tags. I didn't get it, I do now!
I'm being patient I promise!
At or may not be doing this, but are you reading the hubs of people you follow? If not, it is a killer of the Hubbers score -
I wrote a hub about my mistakes called How New Hubbers Ruin Their Hubscore
I try to keep up with the people I'm following. I read your hub when I first joined and appreciate the help.
Although getting a good score is always a bit of an ego boost, it does not really matter that much if what you want from your hub are backlinks. As long as your hubscore is over 50, hubpages will not place a "no follow" tag on your links so that they will pass on PR. The hubscore itself has no relation to the actual PR of your hub, or how much it passes on to your target site via the links.
I went to check out Mcham Law's hubs, but I get a message that "this user has been banned from Hubpages". What happened to McHam?
I haven't read through all the replys on this post, but many that I have read are right. It takes time to be successful whether it is on Hubpages, some other site, or your own site. Lean all you can about keywords, SEO, and copywriting. Don't worry about your score, it will come in time. Good luck!
Holy crap I have been reading all the comments here and then I get to this page and the guy is now banned! I guess it was over-promotion or something that ToS did not allow. I am not sure using Hub Pages is a good way to promote a business like that. He was better off using other more suitable platforms, or his own website.
In some countries, there are some rules about advertising and touting for business for law-related areas. I wish the guy luck!
You'd think a lawyer would be better at following rules.
Thanks for the heads up, relache. I did skim over what Hubs he had out there when he first joined HubPages. Like subjects on divorce and all that, but didn't have time to read them. But as a Forum, when he complained about low Hub scores and wanting to quit, as a group, the Forum did encourage him to keep writing.
Some attorney, eh? I guess when it came to being banned from HubPages, he certainly did earn it! His loss!
Many people who offer up help in the forums do so blindly, without ever taking a look at the Hubs made by the person who is asking. I look at Hubs when some says they are having a score problem, I look at the poster's location before giving advice on affiliate programs. It's amazing how many people are telling new site users who just happen to live in CA to use Amazon, when in reality CA residents are now disbarred from that program.
People who are too lazy to read the rules are getting advice from people who are too lazy to look at their Hubs. No wonder there's so much poor content to flag...
and i was gonna link him to a story...i needed a lawyer...now it sounds like he needs one...
Guilty! But I'm getting better at not getting sucked into the drama. I did catch the Amazon thing when I first joined HubPages. A lot of Hubbers complained about Amazon pulling away from California. As a new Hubber in California, I was able to post the Amazon, but I didn't even get a chance to see what it could do in terms of income. I've been here two months, but I'm willing to learn the ropes. Thanks, relache.
I just came across this forum thread. Sorry, Mcham Law, your score is now down to "1" .. well, look at it this way, it can only go up. I haven't seen a zero score yet nor a minus one.. but there is always a first time. Just trying to make you smile! IF, you are still here. I hope you are.. Hubpages is a really good site with a wonderful community, full of wonderful hubbers.. but, of course, there are those who are not-so-wonderful too, including moi.
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