Going to www.sunforged.hubpages.com leads to (http://www.sunforged.hubpages.com/)
Sorry That User Does Not Exist!
as it will with any username / subdomain PROFILE page
it seems you guys have individual hubs set to resolve for w/wo www. but not profile pages.
Is this intentional? From what I read, average users are still pretty hung up on the whole www. thing and like to stick it in front of everything and even dont believe that sites without it are legit. Dont know if thats true but I was put off for a moment when I was told I didnt exist anymore
Has anyone else tried to access an HP profile page and by default attempted with the www sub in place?
Probably someone skipped an htaccess rule.
Its probably not a huge issue since the majority of our backlinks are still set to old site structure but it is something that could detract from natural links to our profile pages (as they would lead to nowhere)
Me neither. Funnily enough, I had the exact opposite problem with a friend's website recently. Turned out it was a setting at GoDaddy in her case.
Sunforged says most readers still use the www - I thought the opposite was true! Maybe depends on what kind of user you are?
lol, well I have to read about how non savvy users navigate the net. I cant use myself as a case study in this problem.
So.. I dont "say" rather I have read usability studies that find that users still default to the use of www. when writing or even saying a URL .. I do know that most people who speak to me on the phone or in person and want to say a domain name or any url, always seem to say "W" "w" "w" "dot" blah blah dot com , in my experience
So, I wouldnt be surprised that in the rare case that some bloke out there wanted to link to my delightful profile page and didnt directly copy the url ..well, they just might type that www. in ... and then I dont get a backlink or the possible traffic
certainly not a world shattering issue - but I doubt its intentional and is easily corrected
For years I got error messages because I'd tried to get to a site I heard referred to just by name and I forgot to include the www. Now I include it all the time when I put in a link manually.
Is this now wrong? If yes, why have they changed the rules again?
They haven't changed the rules, your domain name should work the same with or without the www. Sunforged is just pointing out that it doesn't work on HubPages right now, and it's probably just an oversight.
Mine doesn't work either. I just checked and my Google profile is linked to http and not www. What is the difference anyway?
There is nothing wrong with not having the www. Your google profile is associated correctly.
www is essentially just a subdomain, sometimes we use www2 or www3 for different parts of a site or like xobba , dont use it at all. But, its usually best practice to make sure that if a user follows convention and types it in that the link will redirect to the correct location.
I agree with SunForge-I am hung up on the www. - the http seems foreign to me.
IF are subdomains don't exists to us-what does it do to Google?
Must we submit our individual site to Google, Bing, etc....
sure it does...
I was always under the impression that anything with the www. in front of it was on the generalized world wide web and things without it were on private/individual servers, aside from the world wide web.
So, things that don't have a www. in front of naturally, cannot be accessed using the www. in front it.
Then again, my knowledge of the Internet is limited anyways. So, I guess this is an opportunity for me to learn something or not.
here is a decent overview of the matter:
http://wblinks.com/notes/do-we-really-n … typing-www
Www is just a host name. Anything can be a host name, but something that looks like a host name may or may not be.
The real test is if it has an ip address.
If "pcunix.hubpages.com" has an ip address (and it does) , then it is a host. If not, it's a domain.
Wikipedia gives a good example with pmtpa.wikimedia.org and rr.pmtpa.wikimedia.org - the latter has an ip address, the former does not.
I don't see how www.pcunix.hubpages.com could ever resolve in DNS because the pcunix part DOES resolve.
To look up a host., DNS follows the trail - .com to hubpages to pcunix. There's nowhere else to go..
However - it DOES resolve - which is confusing and very strange..
It's not strange at all. All the URL's under the same domain follow the DNS to the same server. In our case it's the server for hubpages.com. Then the server has the responsibility for pointing to the proper subdomain under the domain. Or if it's www then it just goes to the domain itself.
In order not to cause search engines to list web sites under both www.domain.com and domain.com, which would cause a duplicate content issue, smart webmasters create a 301 redirect from one to the other. HubPages has done this. You can try it yourself... Put www.hubpages.com in your browser. You'll see that it resolves to hubpages.com without the www. If you put hubpages.com in your browser, it works too. Both go to hubpages.com. So there is only one version of HubPages.com, as it should be.
If you try this with other websites, you may find one that hasn't taken care of this important issue. In that case leaving the www off, or putting it on, can actually go to two different home pages, which is bad news and confusing to search engines. But we don't have that problem on HP. They did it right.
As for subdomains, you are right Pcunix. Hubbers need to use the proper URL that points to their subdomain. There is incorrect to have a subdomain with www in front of it. It's like comparing apples and oranges.
Yes, Glenn, I've been using 301's before most people knew what webpages were :-)
But did you see those wikimedia,org examples? That's what makes it confusing.
But anyway, never mind that. If it resolves, it can be rewritten , so (as Sunforged said) adding the www should be made to work. And, as dumb as it is, it probably should, because I see that stubborn "But don't I need www?" all the time myself.
Glenn, I've seen all your answers and I think you're missing the point.
We're not worried about Hubbers typing in the wrong URL. We're worried about visitors typing in the wrong URL.
You'd be surprised how many people out there believe you must type "www" in front of every website name. Those people don't know the difference between a domain and a sub-domain (if they even know what "domain" means). And every time one of those people types in my sub-domain with the "www", I lose a reader and therefore I lose money - and I'm not happy about that!
I am not sure why you are worried about visitors typing in the wrong URL. See Jason's post. He said it very well. Besides, if you are worried about giving a friend your URL to manually type in, just give them the correct URL. You can't worry about people who don't type what you tell them to type. You're not going to make money from friends anyway. It's the search engine traffic who are the ones who click ads. Or traffic from other inbound links. And they don't manually type the URL either.
I've had an issue where a client's site was displayed without the 'www' in Google search before now and people do tend to think something is broken if your suggest they visit 'your.com' for example. HP should probably add this on their to do list!
When they fix it so we can visit 'www.yourname.hubpages.com', there is a feature in Webmaster tools which you can tell Google which address to index next time it crawls.
I wonder what the reply rate on the problem and features section of the forum is these days?
Of course a simple 301 redirect like they already have in place for all of our old hubs will fix this issue. They must have millions of 301's in place already, whats a few hundred thousand more going to hurt?
See my post about this in the other forum where I try to clarify all of this...
Don't worry about it.
It's an odd thing to pretend to get outraged about, even for people who like to (pretend to) get outraged about just about everything about HubPages.
Almost no one is going to go to their browser and type in www.barryrutherford.hubpages.com. Almost all of your traffic is going to come from search engines, directly to your Hubs or your profile page, or from within HubPages. There is no chance of error there.
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