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   WD Curry 111posted 12 years ago

   I have noticed that there are quite a few “people” who have hundreds (even) thousands of forum posts and few, if any, Hubs. I call them Forum Frogs because they just hop around on the forums trying to catch the unsuspecting with their sticky tongues. Most are lame, annoying and redundant.
   I propose that HubPages establish a higher standard by adopting a new policy. Members should publish a Hub before participating in the forums. After that, forum participation should be regulated by a Hub/Forum ratio. Let’s clean up our act and be more professional. We lose respect and validity when reasonable, intelligent professionals wander into the forums to see what is up with HubPages.
   
   There are plenty of forum sites. Let them leap to those.

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      davenmidtownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I thought they were flying elephants... because they bombard the forums with ****.... where is my umbrella?    I do not know why people can sign up for hubpages and not write.  Yesterday I saw a person... with 176 follower and not 1 published hub.... could that be a case of people following back out of kindness???  not... he also had 24 great hubs remarks.... maybe he deleted all of his hub... don't know... just saying...

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         WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Twitter.

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         Eaglekiwiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         oh the visuals
         
         But it is like that..

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      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      

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         WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         

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      wavegirl22posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      + 1

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      SirDentposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Forum frogs frequently fight frivolously failing and falling without fruit.
      
      Say that three times fast!!!!!!!!
      
      
      
      I actually like the term forum frogs. 

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         davenmidtownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         would fruit actually help?

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            SirDentposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            No idea but I needed to put something there really fast. 

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               davenmidtownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I was just thinking that fruit attracts gnats which the frogs then eat, and soon there are tabpol, which turn into more frog and then the fighting increases... then someone gets banned and a new hub is formed....

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                  SirDentposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Forum frog forums fail to facilitate financial freedom

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                     davenmidtownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     now... financial freedom... that is just an open invitation to be occupied.

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                        davenmidtownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Forum frogs fracture fundamental facade featured frivolously from former forum facility.    maybe?

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         WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I tried it, got dizzy and fell down.

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      Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      This has been suggested repeatedly.  Plainly HP doesn't care.

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         WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         This hotrod is running on auto while Big Brother is out playing golf.

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            Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I don't think so.  I think they see value ($$$) in controversy and sock puppets create controversy.
            
            I'm not in agreement.  I think they'd be smarter to keep those jerks out of here.  But they seemingly know or at least think they know better, because there has never been the slightest indication that they care.

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               WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Even a sock puppet should keep up appearances.

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                  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Yeah.  If I owned this site, I wouldn't allow sock puppets and would ban someone forever for fakery to evade the rules.
                  
                  But I don't.  It's their ball and their court and their rules.

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      A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      LOL! There are many people here who claim to be "writers" who have written many hubs, yet their hubs are so much word salad and nonsense, just like their posts in these forums.
      
      Raising standards to professionalism or acknowledging respect and validity shouldn't be the difference between whether one writes a hub or a forum post, but instead what is contained within. 
      
      Intelligent professionals will easily recognize gobbledegook in either a hub or a forum post.
      
      Name calling (Forum Frogs) and complaining about where one writes will be recognized by intelligent professionals, but not the way you might believe.

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         Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You ought to write a hub about that.

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         WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Ribbitt, ribbiitt, ribbitt.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      This has been discussed many times.  HubPages always says no, because it says new Hubbers need to be able to post on the forums asking for help, if they're struggling to publish their first Hub.
      
      I say, there's an easy solution - allow new Hubbers access to the Hub-related forums only.  No access to the Topics forums until they've published one Hub.  And no ability to start a new thread in the Topics forums until they've made a number of forum posts (10?).
      
      One possible hurdle is that I believe HubPages uses forum software nobody else uses,and maybe it's just not sophisticated enough to discriminate like that.

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         K9keystrokesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         +1

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         Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Possible, yes, but there are creative ways around that.  You could "ban" someone and force them to post by way of a special email address until they meet the requirements. 
         
         Or just get rid of the crappy software.

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         WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         @Marisa Wright - You obviously take the gig seriously and have real experience with the venue. I appreciate the opinion of a true veteran.
         
         I would be more lenient with the number of hubs, but at this point, it is just talk, anyway. I hear what you are saying about the program. It might be Eastern European. It is quarky. Editing a typo after publishing requires at least three steps and takes you into 3 different "realms". With the good products coming out of California, you just fix it and key save.
         
         I don't see the program's ability to track violations as a problem. It can't track other violations, either. There are plenty of willing stool pigeons eager to "drop the dime". Most of the time, people will follow the rules (bend them or break them sparingly). It would be a vast improvement from this embarrassing state of affairs. I had a magazine editor tell me to get out of here altogether if I want to be taken seriously as a writer. Thankfully, we already have a working relationship. Besides, I think the interactive multi-media format will give passive magazines a run for their money. I'm staying.

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            Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I think you are confusing the hub creation tool with the forum software.  They are two entirely different things - but I agree, both are clunky and inferior.

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               WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Hey, I'm a right brained artist, not a tech. I need the tech to get me down the road. The brand I use integrates both, and then some.

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                  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm so NOT right brained that I don't even understand what you meant in this post and the one before it.  Seriously.
                  
                  "Around here, the players on the bench are hogging the water bucket."  ???
                  
                  "The brand I use integrates both, and then some."  ???
                  
                  I have no clue what you meant by either of those sentences.

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                     recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Don't worry about not understanding him, he doesn't even know what he is talking about himself
                     
                     Just another sock puppet and now apparently a 'forum frog' starting threads about themselves

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                        WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Around here you are lazy. Go make some more products for Walmart and stay off the forums.

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                           SomewayOuttaHereposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           ...ha ha ha...hey R1 - happy new year...good to run into you....are you causing truble? 

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                              recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Happy new year buddy !  and just popped in to poke a thread plonker

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                           MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Dangerously close to hate speech.  Just saying, broad sweeping discriminatory statements about another's country is walking a thin line.

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                        Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        No, I don't think he's a sock puppet.  Perhaps you know something I don't, but heseems real to me.

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                           recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           It is very much like Sab o or whatever it was called, the same bitter sniping and random comments, also thought he was good at stuff that he clearly was not.  Similar MO.

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                     WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     See how I need left brain assistance. It all works together.
                     
                     I'll clarify the symbolism. The players on the bench are the ones who don't get in the game (no or negligible hubs). The water bucket is for the use of the players who are working up a sweat (Hubbers working the gig).
                     
                     At Coastal Angler Magazine, we work in whatever program (all one brand) suits our job . . . graphics, word processing, layout, web design. We push a button and there it is, all formatted together and ready to go, widgets and all. It is called "seamless integration". While we are researching our next article (fishing), the thing runs itself. It takes a smart person to set it up, but once he/she is done, we are off and running.

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                        Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Thanks.  You have to spell things out for some of us

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   diplessposted 12 years ago

   I definitely think that the forums on HP are some of the worst for moderation and content, There are many hubbers who are very friendly nice and you can actually have an intellectual debate even though you may have differing opinions.
   
   Something does need to be done, people can just create an account and post any old  frogsdropping. I think there does need to be some correlation between quantity/quality of hubs posted and the ability to post freely to the forums, maybe have 25 hubs over 60 to qualify (completely arbitrary only HP would have numbers on what may work). Anyone with less than that can post in Help and extreme hub make over or something of that fashion.
   
   Also the number of posts made on the same subject, especially in the Religion and politics forums (where incidentally there are the broadest of views and invite more inflammatory responses). I think it should be strictly moderated with regards to duplicate content, to prevent as is so correctly put in one of the forum titles "Attention First Time Visitors! This is not a religion site." I actually imagine that some of the forum posts and flame wars, sock puppeteering etc would actually put off people from using what is otherwise a Very good site.
   
   Sorry about that Rant, I was going to post a short and sweet, yeah I agree and make a joke about raining frogs, but it turned into a bit of a torrent.

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      WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Are you kidding me with the apology? Well put!
      
      Personally, I am a "believer", but some of my favorite writers are the atheists and agnostics around around here. I am a fan of their intelligence. I don't get shook when smart people think. A couple of them have showed up already.
      
      My real concern is for people of different faiths than mine. I can't learn from people from other parts of the globe without having a frog in the punch bowl.

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   paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

   

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   Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago

   Oh jeez!  This is like beating a dead horse.
   
   You have control over yourself. Worry about yourself!
   
   You have no control over others.  Stick to what you have control over!

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      mary615posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I agree.  Maybe these folks are just lonely, and need to talk to someone!

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         WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         They have Facebook for that.

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      Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Speaking of real frogs...where is Frogdropping?

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         WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         On a lily pad.

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      WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Is this a vote for the status quo? The staus quo can be changed without unanamous consent. Commercial fishermen in Florida were depleting fish stocks, harming wildlife and destroying bottom habitat with their gill nets. We got up a grass roots movement to eliminate the destructive fishing practice. Now I am focusing on this destructive, fishy practice.
      
      If you are satisfied with the status quo, then you must not know better. There is lack of quality awareness in our culture today. Look on the store shelves. We buy junk from China. It breaks or falls apart. We buy more the next day while our local economy collapses. Why worry about what you can't control? Let's go to Walmart.

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         Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         No! It was a polite way to tell you to read the terms of service! Abide by them or go somewhere else...
         
         Or even easier
         
         Mind your own business.

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            WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Don't advertise your ignorance, comrade.

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               Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               You do not want competition?

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      The Writers Dogposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Well said. There are enough people here already who are under the impression - rightly or wrongly - that HP is just a tad too elitist. I am certainly not one of them, but I have seen enough comments in enough forums to be aware of it.
      And I have only been here a month!

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         WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Elitist? That is internal. It has nothing to do with raising the bar of quality that is seen by our customers. These forums come up on searches and I have had associates wonder why I am wasting my time playing in the sand box. Personally, I could care less about the "club" aspect of this operation. There is no money in it.
         
         If you can't run, you don't make the football team. Around here, the players on the bench are hogging the water bucket.

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            Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Well, we should change the whole site so you look better to your associates?
            
            

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               WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Let me translate:
               
               We should change the whole site so we don't look stupid to the outside world?
               
               

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                  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Too late.  WAY too late.

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                  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  How about if you just start your own site?  A nice professional little niche.
                  
                  Welcome to the club of HUBBERS, W D Curry, you are officially a HUBBER now!
                  
                  WD Curry has been a HUBBER for three months and now wants to run things.
                  
                  BTW: using a deceased friends avatar and posts in your hub is disgusting.

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                     WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Please, don't call me a Hubber. Whose a friend, and who is dead? I have no idea what you are talking about, comrade.

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                        MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Well we surely can't call you a writer...

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                           WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Look! The whole army is showing up. This is the first time I have gotten a response from you. You remind me of the mean girl in fifth grade.
                           
                           Call me an artist, instead.

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                              MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              LMAO.  Years of being a b***h have put my skills at least into the post grad arena  of mean.  Sure, I'll call you an artist... special little people always need boosts to their self-esteems.

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                                 WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 You need a boost to make an intelligent statement.

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                                    MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    I make lots of intelligent statements, your failure to understand them is fairly telling.  So how are you going to try to remove me when I embarrass you?  Say that  47 hubs isn't enough and anyone posting should have 50?

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                                       WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       This is intelligent where you are from? I have to go now. I have to clean the bottom of some stainless steel pans. I'll be back later to see what piles up.

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                                          MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                          LMAO, keep going Dear Heart!  You'll eventually manage to get an insult in there.  You can do it!

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                                             WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                             Quit masturbating on the forum. You are in public.

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                                                MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                                Great God, thank you.  I was wondering how long I'd have to argue with you before you said something to get yourself banned.

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                                                   Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                                   Ayup.  Even I. a forgiving soul, had to report that..

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                                                      WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                                      In Florida, the kids have a syaing, "Snitches get stitches, or wind up in ditches."
                                                      
                                                      I've proved my point. Sorry about your luck, you can't hang. C-ya!

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                        Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        You have Earnesthubs avatar and his posts in your HUB.  The man can no longer defend himself so you feel free to steal his image and plagiarize his posts?
                        
                        Reported, and completely disrespectful.
                        
                        Please don't call me a hubber.   Are you ashamed of yourself?   If you write HUBS at HUBPAGES you are a HUBBER!  Tell all your friends WD Curry is a HUBBER!
                        
                        look for that in your search engines!
                        
                        I have no respect for what you have done in that hub.  You should be ashamed of yourself.  Even Jesus would be ashamed of you for disrespecting those that have passed!
                        
                        There are several others that have had their avatar and posts added to this hub.  "Don't call me a hubber"

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                           WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Check out the conversation. He had a chance for redemption. He wanted to hear something he hadn't heard before. He got the lowdown at the hoedown from me. Where is he now? Reality bites.
                           
                           This is a glass house. We create our own legacy. Jesus knows the drill.
                           
                           I told you there were plenty of stool pigeons eager to "drop the dime".

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                              Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              If I was a pigeon the last thing I would be dropping on you would be currency!

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                                 WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Not much at humor are you?

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                           Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           I just looked at that.  You are correct: it is disgusting.

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                              WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              How do you know if the guy was real? He was still breathing when I put that up. Dead or alive? Give the living as much respect as you do the dead and we will be making forward progress.

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                           WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           No theft. No plagiarism. Public record, comrade.

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                              Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              WRONG!  Property of Hubpages, darn it READ THE FORGIVING TERMS OF SERVICE!
                              
                              
                              note to moderators....I learned my lesson 

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                                 WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 You haven't learned the lesson from the hub. Let me clarify it. Quit being a fool.

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                                    Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    There it is, congratulations.  You just won a personal attack  report.

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                                       WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       You are a weenie, cry-baby, comrade. Real Americans stand up for themselves. Go tell Big Brother.     

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                                          Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                          Wow.  Two reports in as many minutes,  A new record, I think.

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                                             WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                             Here's another one, dipwad. I lived up your way. That's why I am here. Stay on your end of I95 and all will be well in Florida.
                                             
                                             I do miss the clam stands, though.

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                                                Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                                I guess you must want a long ban..

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                                                   WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                                   Oh no! I'll be banned from forums! I guess I'll just have to go fishing and get paid 50 cents a word for telling you about it, dipwad. Get a life!

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                                          Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                          LOL enjoy your forum privileges while you still retain them.

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                                             WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                             I could give a rat's rectum about forum privileges, comrade.

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                                                Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                                Be sure to tell the admins that.  Perhaps they can arrange one of those coveted permanent bans.

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                                                   WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                                   I live in the real world. They can kiss the booty.

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   janesixposted 12 years ago

   LOL.
   
   Dude, aren't there more serious things to worry about in life?
   
   And Hubpages is hardly a professional website of any kind. More like a joke.

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      Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I'm gonna have to agree.

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         WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I guess so. You only have two lousy hubs.

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            JBBlackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Unkind.

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      WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I just checked out your hubs. I see the quality. In your case it is true. Why are you wasting your time with a joke?

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   skyfireposted 12 years ago

   Trolls, religious or non-religious folks, right-left-centrist-libertarians, spammers etc are part of traffic. Forum frogs are traffic. It helps raise quantcast numbers. HP forum during 2011 had less drama compared to 2009/10, so drama is necessary to bring folks on this site. Why kill it for Curry?

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      WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, let's keep insulting our new friends from India and beyond! What's your real name?
      
      There is no $ from forums except for the dying remnants of Marxist sponsored pie holes.

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         skyfireposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Why? You want to nuke my city?

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            WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            What?!? Go back to sleep.

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   skyfireposted 12 years ago

   *sigh* It's about traffic, not about quality of forum or posts or people. Type any odd word in your next thread and see how quickly it gets indexed in google. Take forum frogs for example, I'm sure this thread will get better ranking in google for that keyword.

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      WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Wake up from your nap. Forum traffic does not generate real income for you, quality does, junior.
      
      Take a guess who knows about to generating traffic.

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         Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         He's talking about HubPages building traffic and reputation, not you.
         
         Forum junk swells Quantcast, Doubleclick, Alexa and Google stats, causing the site to be seen as more valuable to potential advertisers.
         
         You really shouldn't expound in areas you know nothing about.

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            WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            There is no real traffic generated from this junk. It is your fantasy. Like I said . . . nothing in it for you.
            
            Let me know when you are coming down and we'll go fishing.

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               Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Your inability to comprehend this doesn't change reality.    In fact, there IS something in it for all of us - HP's high position in traffic standings is one of the reasons advertisers are willing to pay more here.  Forum traffic is potential hub traffic.
               
               But never mind.  Some people just won't be educated.

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            WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            That doesn't mean it has to be second rate crap. Besides, the tripe I am talking about doesn't generate outside traffic. It just makes HubPages look ridiculous. What kind of reputation do you get from putting out nonsense?

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      Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Then everyone can see on Google that WD Curry 111 is a Hubber!

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         WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         They'll know better, comrade.
         
         I have work to do in the real world. I must go now.
         
         Like I say. I've proved my point. C-ya.

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            Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Proved what point? This entire thread has been pointless!

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               GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Isn't it better to leave alone a pointless thread? Or is it absolutely essential to talk like a crude uncouth ill-bred person lacking culture and refinement?

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                  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Compared to the educated from India? It is the best we can do.

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                     skyfireposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Trust me you have to do much harder than that to insult indians.Considering the disease of religious homeschooling in united states,it's ironic you're talking about education in india? Oops, I got the bait Mr curry, cook for me.
                     
                     Your knowledge about quality content on web, traffic and money earning form content mills is laughable, you should entertain folks in politics and religion thread instead of opening threads like this to play with people who have brain cells more than you.

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   WD Curry 111posted 12 years ago

   That doesn't mean it has to be second rate crap.

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      Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      How ironic that you say this, but yes, I agree.
      
      I don't own the site, though, so I don't get much input.  Tell you what:  I buy a lottery ticket every Tuesday.  If we win a few hundred mill, I'll see what I can do.

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         WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I buy one ticket a week. If I win, we'll see what you can do. I recognize.

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   GoldenBirdposted 12 years ago

   What we have here is a gang of *hubbers* who would pick anyone who wants to talk nice, or have an idea to improve things, especially if that contains any idea to refine the psychopaths who use this site. The administration has been kind to them for some good reason. Often a Big-Stick answers a lot than reasoning.

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      Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Dum di de dum what we have here is a threat to someone.  Take it or leave it is what I can see. Keyboard courage does not effect me!
      
      You may be surprised at what you would get if you actually could follow through with your threat!

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    loveorlostposted 12 years ago

    I am not really with you. I think this kind of people is like me, they love to answer all that questions you people ask. They might be love to ask and answer ,they might be very shy to write. I still believe that hubbers are very well in writing and many of them are professional writers. |So writing in hubpage is very brave i think.
    Please encourage this kind of people to write , do not discriminate.
    
    thanks.

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       GoldenBirdposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I have an answer for you, which is- start a thread in the "religion and philosophy" forum; and pretend to be a lover of God. See what happens. Then come again to check your statement.

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    rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago

    hmmm, and the OP was complaining about lack of intelligent forum threads?
    
    What I have noticed recently in the forums are people that have been here less than a year trying to change the rules and policies. HP is an open, online site.
    As far as the 'forum frogs', they're generally not the new hubbers. I've seen new hubbers arrive in the forums and get slammed for asking a question.

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    paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

    
    Beware the HP forums of 2012!!!

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