Last week we debuted the latest Hub design in 3 categories. This week, we've made some changes to that design and rolled it out across the entire site. Here are the changes:
1. We removed the Hub view count for the Hub.
2. We removed the Hub view count for related Hubs.
3. We made the published/last updated date line more concise.
More information, including a comp of the design, on the most recent blog entry.
Thanks Jason I think the extra ad at the bottom gives a more balanced look
Thanks, Jason. I like the new layout. It looks neat and very professional.
Now, if you could make the hubber avatar a little bigger, it would be perfect.
I agree that the new page style looks smart, but, yes, the avatar is so small, now, that it's almost impossible to see, so probably doing more harm than good. I do think that it needs to be a bit bigger.
Same for me.. The avatar needs to be bigger or I will end up having to buy new glasses! lol
Yeah. I'm going to have to agree that the avatar is a little small. I can barely identify the visual. So, yes if it is at all possible, it would be great to have it a little bit larger. Other than that, I really like the new layout. It's a lot cleaner looking.
Thanks Jason (and the whole team) for all the hard work-- looks good. Hoping this new layout and the extra ad at the bottom will improve traffic and profits for us all. It's certainly giving my spirits a life at any rate. It really looks nice.
Hi robie2. I think the new format is great but how are the majority of visitors going to see the two nice block ads at the end of the comments? Particularly if the comments are lengthy. Most aren't going scroll down to the bottom. Is deletion the only answer, to bring them upwards where there's a better chance they'll be seen?
You can edit and set the comment capsule to "initially display at most 5 comments"
Yes, I know of that option ngureco, thanks. Suppose a new system will have to be employed concerning the comments if the two ads are to be productive; and that means few if any after indexing.
I wouldn't really want to do that ~ but, then, I would want ads to be missed either
I think this new layout will finish off any money I was making here.
But I'll check my stats and see what they say.
This single column thing looks really awkward with all that wasted empty space on the left and right.
I really think we should be able to choose our own template, old or new.
Depends on whether or not they like reading comments I guess:-) I'm into optimism so I'm gonna hope for lots of people who scroll down and read every single comment ( eyes closed and fingers crossed) and who then notice the ads and click-- that's my preferred scenario, but I guess we'll have to wait and see how things work out.
I would LOVE to be that optimistic!
What Google says about ads at the bottom of the page....
"In many cases, we have found that displaying ads below search results fits better into the user's flow as they scan the page from top to bottom. On average, this placement performed better than side ads in terms of click-through rate in our tests."
http://adwords.blogspot.in/2011/11/new- … earch.html
What actual people say...
"Thanks, I can't believe this is thought of as a good idea."
"I agree the bottom of the page position stinks. I experienced very low CTR when a clients ads started getting served below the organic results."
"Interesting news out of an investment company, Global Equities Research which show that click-throughs on Google are actually rising, but specifically more importantly the bottom ad placements. Because of this, Google has shown significant revenue growth, making investors really happy."
Just do a web search for "Ads at bottom of page CTR" and you'll see opinions are quite divided.
I tend to think Old School (I've been doing Ad Sense since 2007) that above the fold ad placement is what you want.
But maybe things have changed.
thanks for the heads up-- I think I'll do a little online research myself on ad placement-- although there are so many opinions out there it does get confusing:-)
I don't know if I read it or heard it or what, but I seem to remember something about too many ads on the right above the fold being penalized by Google as part of panda or penguin or one of those animals-- dunno. Can't keep up with it and I don't know what I did with my crystal ball-- I wish I could find it:-)
Whatever, time will tell with the new layout. Hubpages must have a method to their madness. I'm going to leave it to them and just keep writing. Seems to me that if we make money, they make money, so they probably are interested in getting us the best ad placement possible for clicks and if this doesn't work out they'll change it.
But thanks for the info-- definitely going to do a little googling myself:-)
I don't know... I must be totally weird or something. One of the first things I do when I read an article is scroll straight down to the bottom to see how long it is. I scroll past the comments and to the bottom. I see the ads and all and then I scroll back up to read the article. I thought everyone did this. I even did that when I came into this forum. So, just based upon my own habits, I kind of agree with Google on their assertions.
Yikes, they are way down there, aren't they? I want to keep Big G happy, but on the other hand, if no one sees the ads, we won't make any money and there's not much point in them being there. I am one who would almost never scroll down that far, especially if the comments were just the "great article!" "thanks for stopping by" type of stuff. If comments include a lively debate or if readers are adding truly useful info, I sometimes read them. However, most comments I see are quick compliments and thank-yous. (Which I am happy to get -- don't get me wrong!)
I don't want to delete comments and I don't want the top portion of my article ad heavy, yet I don't want to hide the ads, either. So many tricky steps in the Google dance!
Many of us here on HP have Hundreds of comments per article- many more in the 70, 80, 90 range. No way do many readers go down those comments to the end and i don't have to check anything to know that. One ad fine, for the small number that do- but two of your best down there and none in the upper right like it was. We'll hope for the best and consider the glass half full but the only solution i see if the glass turns out more than half empty is to delete and that will bring up problems of its own. We'll be hopeful though.
You can always set it to show only a certain number of comments.
Some viewers would not be interested in reading through a hundred thanks you's, great hub type comments. I know I'm not. I generally don't read through all of the comments, especially when there are that many. I think it detracts from the content. I think I'm going to go through mine and change the setting on some hubs.
And remember, most viewers will be signed out and they do see the ads above the title.
Are these adverts supposed to be relevant to the article?
I just looked and mine weren't.
Ads often are relevant to viewer's browser history, so it may seem they're not relevant at times. As the link Jason posted says, geographical location is also a factor. There's a helpful link, (Google included), on the section that Jason linked. https://support.google.com/adsense/bin/ … nswer=9713
Right Rebekah, thanks. Could be a G request for the placement, or HP might be wanting to save bandwidth, etc. Readers might click Go to Last Comment but not many will go down a slew of them, your right.
Time for some setting changes, maybe even multiple replies on single comments as some already do. I just always preferred to treat each post as a personal correspondence but the times they are a-changin'. Appreciate the advice.
I tend to agree with Alastar Packer in that most people will not scroll down to read all the comments, therefore seeing the ads. However, on the same note, rebekahELLE made a great point. There are a couple of ways to encourage our readers to see the ads; Set your hub to show only a few comments at a time, therefore making sure that the reader does not have to scroll through so many comments to reach the end. (I just may go back and reset mine to do just that) also, there may be a difference in whether you have your last(or most current comment) at the "top" of your comments versus having it at the "end".
All in all, the new format and look is great Jason. I love the recipe capsules as it makes it clear and easy to use. I only have one request regarding the capsule and I may look for another thread that talks about the recipe capsules to post it there as weel, and that is; Is it possible to allow more than one recipe capsule set in one hub? I have a lot of recipes that require to sections (for instance: Cake and Frosting, Salad & Dressing, etc) Just a thought! Lisa
I changed back to newer comments on the bottom and what exactly is meant by setting your hub to only show a few comments at a time? Don't you have to hide and deny each post separately?
You can set it to show most recent first. You can also adjust the setting to max at
comments. I don't think it automatically deletes comments, but shows them according to the order and number you want shown, but I'm not totally sure on that point. http://hubpages.com/learningcenter/comments-capsule
There might be text ads in the comments coming up in a latter date as this posting
by MickiS would seem to suggest.
You do realize that most people who say "great article" or "good work" don't give a damn about your article, they're just using you to get the backlink?
The other thing to consider - if you delete old comments now, months after they were made, it's unlikely the people who made the comments will ever notice. Especially if they were meaningless, throwaway comments in the first place.
This is also why Hubbers need to get over the idea that they must reply to every comment with a "thanks for stopping by". The comments are part of the Hub. If you have lots of meaningless comments, you're diluting your Hub content and you're ensuring readers won't scroll down to find further interesting debate (or ads!). So when you thank people, combine several "thank you's" into one reply and try to add something meaningful to it.
Good idea. Now I see why people do that.
Although I often write quite long responses, and become involved in discussions, I will also just write very brief answers, at times.
In my early days as a member, they were probably shorter than they are now, and I'd never even heard of 'backlinks' then.
I could never understand why my 'interesting' comments seemed to be treated, by many, with disdain. Now I know why
But whether my responses are one-word long, or several paragraphs long, I mean what I say. Sometimes one word says it all; sometimes not.
This does make sense, but I think that it is important to acknowledge everyone and they may pop along in dribs and drabs, so thanking them all, together, may not be possible.
Adding something 'meaningful' is an area that I shall have to to give some attention to
I know it's a bit early in the game to say if these changes will help bring HubPages out of its slump, but we're almost to the same traffic we got on Christmas day, last year, when you look at the weekend traffic (which is the weakest link).
If you look at Quantcast, 394,089 people came to this site on Saturday, a couple days after the new layout was put into play. So, we're still slowly heading downward BUT that's a huge drop from last Saturday, when 426,835 people stopped by the site. You can blame nice weather only until you look 6 months back and see the almost steady downward slope....
I hope these changes are looked at in a good light by Google and the site, as a whole, starts seeing good traffic once again... but on Christmas day last year, a day you wouldn't expect that many people to be on a site like this anyway, we had 379,932 people swing by... we're just barely beating those numbers and we could be below that next week, if the changes didn't help.
To put things into perspective, Saturday is usually the weakest link and Christmas Eve was on a Saturday last year... yet we still got 411,654 people to come to HubPages. If we can't outperform a holiday weekend then we have some problems.
Thanks for these figures Bendo,
How do they tie up with HP's claim in the new sidebar that 50 million people "discover" HubPages every month?
Even at 500,000 views per day, times that by 30 makes 15 million people per month. Or am I completely on the wrong track here?
You're looking at it the right way... that claim is inflated times 2.
Go to quantcast and look; it shows you, right on the main page - below the graph, that only 26,764,304 came to this site the past month.
Even if you don't look at the unique views and look at the "visits", people only visited the site 32,801,558 times in the past month, and that counts multiple visits per person.
The only way you get close to that 50 million mark is if you go by page views... which does NOT refer to how many people came and discovered HubPages.
People = how many individual people "discovered" HubPages
Visits = how many times people loaded an initial page on HubPages
Page Views = counts every page people view - which means someone could actually have 100 page views in one visit if they clicked all over the place
So yeah, you're right... that 50 million number seems to be an old number that just looks pretty. If they wanted to be honest they'd somehow link it to their actual stats and it would be updated all the time.
Looks OK except for the first published date. Still hate that part and do not want to see this on some hubs. This should be an optional feature at best!
I really like the changes, and I don't think we should make the avatars bigger. I think it makes us appear more like professional writers by minimizing the photo. I also think the date of published is important, as long as you can also see when it was last updated. By having the hub around for awhile, I think it makes it appear to be more valid that it has withstood the time!
There's nothing I would really change.
Exciting! I noticed some hubs are taking a while to load.. is this because it just went sitewide?
That might have been the case at the time of the rollout. Are you still seeing a delay now?
No, it must have been the initial site wide release.
Mine used to be a 4 until about a month ago when I noticed in Webmaster Tools that I had lost over 2000 HP backlinks. It was around the time of one of the penguins or pandas. To be honest, the page rank hasn't affected my traffic as much as I thought it might. Traffic has been steadily increasing.
New HP logo text:
"I feel pretty ~ Oh so pretty ~ I feel pretty and witty and bright"
I like the new look.
update: If you want to use the new text, you'll have to check with Westside Story.
I like it - though I still think it's a tad too narrow, and the text should go right out to the edge of the white area, with the "sharing" box outside. But HubPages seems adamant it's not going to change that.
I like the original and updated dates - if a Hub has been around for a while, but was updated last week, that suggests it has the authority of age, but hasn't just been posted and forgotten. It's not a big job to go through and make a small change to Hubs occasionally, to keep that updated date fresh.
I saw an interesting Hub by GreekGeek, recently, where she said that on Squidoo, you have to "republish" your lens regularly if you want to get traffic (which is the Squidoo equivalent of updating). Sounds like we'll have to get into the same habit on HP.
Mind you, doing that is easy for those of us with smaller accounts - I can see that being a problem for large account holders, though.
The layout looks nice. But why am I not seeing a G+ on share? I also would have preferred a bigger author avatar. Also I wish the last update date is not shown on the Hub.
While I'm signed out:
The more hubs I look at, the more I continue to like the design.
I have noticed that the number of ads changes. Sometimes there are more ads. Sometimes there are fewer ads. I hope it's just a supply and demand issue.
The only prob I see is the two big ads that would have normally been in the right side bar are now under the comments. This presents a prob on long comments and hubs that have been published awhile and don't receive but the occasional comment; in other words the ads will be wasted at the bottom of a long comment list. Should comments be deleted to bring the two ads up closer where they're more likely to be seen?
I think I have PUD Post Update Depression - there's nothing to whinge about anymore! Help!
I have decided to join PANDA Post Ante Natal Depression Association (yes its real in oz)
I Feel Your Pain- Let me know how that works out for you.
You're the only Hubber I know who has a Profile PR of 4
What's the secret?
Clean living and washing behind the ears. Your guess is as good as mine. How high does the Profile PR go?
I think there's a few 4's. Mine's 4. I can't recall seeing a 5?
Showing my ignorance, again, but what / where is the profile PR, please?
The Google Toolbar's PageRank feature displays a visited page's PageRank as a whole number between 0 and 10 (log based index). The most popular websites have a PageRank of 10. The least have a PageRank of 0. It is to be considered only a rough indication of the value of a website. It is now out of date, unreliable, but people still use it Various websites and addons can be used to display it ( e.g. for mozilla PageRank for Foxfire 1.1 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo … 7/?src=api)
Looked into the Googlepagerank some. Sites with a 8-10 are practically unheard of and 4 is getting warm with many first page rankings at 5! Out of date, yeah.
thanks for the link-- very useful for us firefox users--I used to go to that pagerank checker online which was very cumbersome what with having to deal with a captcha etc. every time. This lets me keep a better eye on pagerank with less effort, for whatever it is worth:-)
I love the new design and the way it showcases my writing! Thank you for listening to our concerns about the traffic stats. It's very sleek and contemporary. Great Job.
I was wondering the same thing. If we don't get them all inserted as we create a new hub, there is no way to add them afterwards apparently.
Speaking of ads, can we have a lowdown on the placement of Adsense ads for people who have deactivated the HP Ad Program (or who never went on it in the first place)?
I am glad that HP got rid of the pageviews stat and I think the new design looks nice, but let's see what effect it has on traffic (for me it's not looking good at the moment, but it's early days).
I would be interested to know this too. My Adsense income (although I use the HP Ad program) has dropped through the floor since HP began changing the layouts. Previously I was hitting Adsense payout every month in spite of there only being one Adsense Ad per hub. Now I will be lucky to hit it once every three months, and this is not looking like it is a result of Pandas or Penguins!!!
Were you planning on adding how many hubs the author has written? When I see just a name without the hubs, I am not enticed to find out more, but when I see the number of hubs, I am curious to see what other things s/he might have to say. I would think the number of hubs would show some authority.
I agree with you. It's like they've thrown us a bone by re-adding the avatar, but have still tried to make the individual hubber as unprominent as possible, if you get my drift. Still don't understand what that's trying to accomplish.
Common knowledge and prevailing wisdom within the industry has always dictated "Quality & Writing Ability" are two major "Contributors & Essential Criteria" to be met in order to legitimately attain recognition as a writer of "Authority" or lack there of, not necessarily "Quantity" as you suggest - Number of articles produced is irrelevant to claiming expert status -
Trivial, unnecessary stats such as "Total Hubs Published" contribute to systematic, chronic member segregation, which is never beneficial for a web site as a whole -
I would even go one step further and suggest the removal of all "Accolades" -
When I attended Kindergarten a few years back, this type of award was naturally acceptable, however, I don't believe there are any 4 or 5 year old toddlers currently writing on HP, except for that one "Extra Special Child", so why regress and issue meaningless badges? This is one reason why my preference is to "Hide" all accolades from public view on my personal profile page -
If a change is to be made, I believe a portal to the author's existing collection of work would suffice without displaying a number or indication of "Quantity Published" -
Well it would, for established Hubbers. It would be a disadvantage for someone new, who has only 3 or 4 Hubs. So I think not showing it is fair - it leaves open the possibility that you have written more.
The only related point I wish to make is the following - "Quantity" is not necessarily indicative of an individuals "Expertise" in any given subject as was suggested by another member -
The publishing of 50 poorly written, ineptly researched, grammatically error riddled, or factually incorrect articles I'm sure you would agree, will likely decimate the credibility of any given individual, and potentially the host site, not enhance it -
I HATE the new format! I am not pleased that Hubpages has chosen "What Others Are Reading" right in between my hubs and my comments! I was also wondering why my page views have plummeted the last few days and now I know. The "What Others Are Reading" benefits Hubpages but I do not see any benefit for myself in any way from the new design. I do not like the fact that you have now dated my hubs by adding a date. If I wanted a date on them, I certainly would have added one. With nothing on either side of the hub, it has more of an appearance of a blog. This is a definite THUMBS DOWN from me.
I've seen this argument a few times and I find it very puzzling.
You do realize that your Hubs can be found in other Hubbers' Hubs in their Related Hubs section, right?
Besides, Related Hubs existed in the prior design as well, just in a different location.
Yes, in a better location that helped to make the hub look like an article instead of a blog, like it looks now. Now they are right in the middle of my hub. If someone reads another hub, are they going to click on my link? I guess it probably depends on the quality of the hub they read. If they were going to go to one of my hub links, they could have from the location they were in already, so I do not see that as valid reasoning. It doesn't matter that mine can be seen from other hubbers' hubs because I have no idea how often mine are displayed in those hubs -- once a week? Twice? I know one thing, my traffic has been cut in half in the last week.
I think the new layout looks professional. I like it, at first I worried about the amount of ads, then I logged out and was able to see more ads above the title. I also like the adds above the comments. I do miss the big ad along the right border but I digress to HP knowledge of these things, so far, so good.
I noticed that I cannot grab the scroll bar and drag it down, the arrow on the bottom works?
edit: it will drag once it is down a couple of inches.
Same here. Are you using Chrome??? I don't know if that has anything to do with it, or not, but I'm using the arrow keys these days.
I bet that is something they get ironed out thought.
Yeah, I am using Chrome. I am sure it will be resolved, I have not seen anyone alert the staff to this as of yet. Staff alerted...
I think the new layout looks more professional...er...it makes this look less like some damn blogging site, and more like a "op ed" site. Sorry for miffed terminology or failure to come up with adjectives. I think it looks better than the old layout, and in any case, it is good to change things up here and there.
Jason, can you clarify how the "What Others are Reading" section works now?
In the trial version, if we had more Hubs in the same Group, they got preference over Hubs by others. I just checked several of my Hubs and it appears that's no longer the case.
In fact, it looks like that section deliberately avoids other Hubs in the same Group. For instance, I have a large group of belly dancing Hubs - yet in the "Related Hubs" section on my belly dance Hubs, only one of my belly dance Hubs appears. Is that the case?
The "trial version" you're referring to was another test layout that put the related Hubs to the right of the Hub near the top.
Now, with the related articles below your Group Hubs, that's no longer the case. There are 6 Hubs generally from other users, but they could be from you, too.
Perhaps an in depth explanation or refresher as to how the "What Others Are Reading" segment actually works might be extremely helpful to clear up or shed additional illumination on the underlying mechanics of operation - If an explanation exists elsewhere, my apologies and please direct me to the location -
I believe re-assuring all members the system will work without fail, unlike the apparent chronic flaws surfacing elsewhere within the site, and expressing a guarantee that there will be a fair and equitable "Distribution & Placement", i.e. equal number of Links embedded throughout the community universe for all Hubbers, would suffice -
This would ensure certain Hub Pages will not inadvertently be used, or be perceived as being used as "Shell Pages" or mere "Portals" with a sole purpose to encourage third party visitors to swiftly exit and subsequently enter advertised articles published by other writers which were strategically placed within the "What Others Are Reading" segment -
A perception of "Favoritism" I'm sure you would agree, needs to be mitigated or completely avoided here within this domain where monetization is a primary driver and consideration -
P.S. - Why was the portal "Read More By This Author " removed?
The "What Others Are Reading" is a renamed "Related Hubs" and they are selected algorithmically.
If you'd like to feature your own Hubs at the end of one of your Hubs, then I would add your Hubs to Groups. Grouped Hubs are offered at the end of a Hub right above the "What Others Are Reading." Here's more information:
I really like the more polished, cleaner, look; and I like the de-emphasized author image (and really hope nobody accommodates those people above who want the image bigger ). (Besides, God knows Google+ profile images are big enough for anyone who wants his poster-sized face attached to his online writing. ) I think the new look (and small picture and whatever else) says, "This is about the material in the Hub," rather than, "Ok, here's this one Hub - and also, while we're at it, here's yet another picture of yet another one of the zillions of other people who write on HubPages." To me, the second (and old) "message" creates the impression (just when the Hub first hits the person who found it) that things are as much about the Hubber as the Hub and writing in it. I don't really think there can be simultaneous messages, "We care about the writing here and we're never about just the writing." I think it has to be one the other, and anyone looking for his writing to hold anyone who finds it would be (I'd think) less likely to get that with the "simultaneous-message" approach.
Maybe I shouldn't admit this, but I think I may now be a little more inspired to up the quality of what I write on here (because until now I've always kind of thought, "Eh.. Nobody really cares about 'professional' or 'polished' on here. Take what you say seriously - but not necessarily how you present it." No offense intended to the "old HubPages" that I know and certainly have always liked. It's just that after four and a half years of feeling dissatisfied with thinking presentation (as well as some other things) was a "a matter of 'eh, nobody really cares..'", I'm particularly enjoying the new look.
I've been thinking this forever; I don't know why I didn't say it sooner.
I can understand why HP has little, teeny-tiny avatars on our hubs now.
I have seen more idiotic avatars around here than flies on Geraldo.
And I definitely include most of my mine in this category.
My personal previous favorite of one of mine. I might even bring him back again now.
Thanks for listening.
Looks good, but would I would prefer the avatars to be a few pixels bigger. The text is bigger than the photo... needs to be balanced. Also, for some, the avatar is our brand -- have to be able to see it to remember it.
I would have liked to see it a tiny bit bigger, but it also may encourage more profile clicks to see who we are and what else we have written.
The profile photo is now about the size of the standard Blogger and Wordpress author photo, and we wanted to make sure that the content of the Hub itself wasn't upstaged by it. It's similar to the kind of byline you'll see on blogs and online papers.
Exactly. It looks more professional. Much appreciated.
Jason, the size of the profile photo is too small. I don't care about Blogger and Wordpress... this is Hubpages. The photo is so small (how small is it?) that it looks like an afterthought. Why are you comparing Hubpages to blogs and online papers? If the profile photo or avatar is not important, then I suggest that the photo be removed all together, as it looks like a spec of dust right now. I feel like wiping it off my screen.
Please.. I am not asking to make it the same size as before. The size of the photos appearing here in the forums would suffice. Thank you.
Thank you for your feedback, although we've given this a lot of thought and are not likely to change it. The focus on a Hub is the Hub's content, and additional places to read related material, although both the avatar and username are linked if a reader wants to learn more about the author.
Woohoo! First time I got a reply to my comment from Jason Menayan. Somehow, even if my suggestion is highly unlikely not going to be considered, I don't feel like sulking.
OK, fine. I know it won't be changed, but when I look at my little avatar, it's so small it now looks like a little piece of poo with a smudge of red where my lips would normally be seen. Yeah. It looks like a piece of brown poo. Maybe I should change my profile picture to a flower or something that doesn't matter.
sorry, Marlene, but I burst out laughing reading your comment. Yeah, I know what you mean... maybe we should all be flowers or fruit. A flower hubber or a fruity hubber. lol
I love mangoes, so maybe I should change my profile pic to this.
Rosie2010 on Hubpages
Well, right now the mangoes are really cute and colorful, but by the time they are reduced down to "size" it will just be a blur of color. So, I'm thinking, since blue is my favorite color I should use a blue square as my profile picture. At least then it won't look like you know what!
That's right.. after sized down those mangoes will no longer be recognizable as such and will just be yellow something. Blue goes well with your profile name... MarleneB. The "B" is Blue.
Ah! I like that. And, now that you've given me a new handle, I might just run with it. I'd prefer showcasing my face so people know what I look like, but with that little avatar they can't see me anyway... you know what I mean? So the whole "blue" thing is really piquing my interest now.
Bravo to you for saying this. Many of us are thinking it.
I agree that the current avatar is so small as to be pointless.
I have changed mine to a flower, because it was simply impossible to see my photo on it, as it was.
If the avatar is to be used, then people need to be able to see the image on it ~ surely?
I like your flower. It is pretty. I'm changing mine to a square block of color.
I think avatars as small as the ones on HubPages should be reserved for logos - things with distinct characteristics - not faces. Many of the avatars now are completely unrecognizable. They are simply too small to make out what they are.
I know HubPages is not going to change this, hence the reason I'm changing mine. But all-in-all, I really do like the new look of the pages.
Thanks. My only concern, re the daisy, is that it is the sort of avatar that someone called 'Daisy' would have, so I'm going to experiment with some others.
About the colour block ~ Yes, good idea.
Keep in mind that viewers may click on an avatar to see your profile where the image is larger.
Yes, I do appreciate that, but don't you agree that an avatar, which no-one can see properly, is a negative thing?
Personally, I think it would be better to have none at all, rather than one that is impossible to make out.
The size that they are on the forums ~ or even slightly smaller ~ is fine
Yes, but everyone on the Internet realises that blogs have an individual owner, and that there's usually a "home" or "about" page to look at if you want to find out more about the person - or archives if you just want to read more of their posts. Here on Hubpages, it now just looks as if we're staff writers on your online magazine.
Before, it was much clearer that we were independent entities who happened to be members of HubPages.
I suspected that was your thinking but now you've actually come out and admitted it. I can't say I like it personally, but as you've already said, you're not going to change it back so we'll have to lump it.
Overall, the new layout looks nice but let's wait and see whether it results in better traffic.
'The focus on a Hub is the Hub's content, and additional places to read related material'
It's sad that the author is so under-valued at HP - I don't really understand this attitude!
Authors can think differently about that, janderson99. I'm happy to have the focus on the writing (some of my writing more than some of my other writing, of course ). I don't want it to be "about me". When you write offline it's seldom about the author. I know that since this is online that means that it obviously isn't the same as offline; but not highlighting the author, along with the writing, isn't a sign that the author is under-valued. That aside, though, if I write something that I take seriously I really want it to be only about that piece of writing and nothing else (myself included). By feeling like HubPages will now treat the author similarly as professional publishing venues most often treat writers, I feel as if authors are being valued more now (because by being treated the way professionals are treated in other places, it kind of says, "We're offering you a place to post your writing and have it presented in a polished way, so we take you (Hubbers) and your Hubs seriously." I don't mind the thing about "related material" because I see that as valuing the reader's interest in reading. I think "about me" is good to make available to anyone who wants to know, but it's a very "Internet-y" thing that's not generally done in the corporate work setting (except for a handful of people at the top of an organization, or everyone at a small organization, on the company's website or some literature). I respect that people (you, for example) see things differently; but I just don't see it as a sad thing or under-valuing writers at all.
There are no ads in profiles!
It is also interesting that the copyright for the text remains with the author but nowhere is that clearly stated.
The copyright notice is listed right at the end of the article in the 'grey area'
"Copyright © 2012 HubPages Inc. and respective owners. All rights reserved."
PS I, like many other hubbers, add my own Copyright notice.
Surely the copyright notice you're talking about refers to the HubPages site, not the article on that particular page.
So do I.
You know, with all the changes that have occurred here over the last 18 months or so, I've been asking myself "What is the one thing that would make me take all my hubs down and leave?"
My answer? If HubPages decided to claim ownership of our hubs.
I have an ad on my 'profile' page and if you click on the link 'copyright' at the bottom of pages you will see this:
"Permission to use content
Are you interested in using an image or content from an article on HubPages for your own project? Please contact the author directly using the contact link on the article itself. Authors retain copyright to their work on Hubpages, so only they are in a position to grant you those permissions."
Yeah, but don't you feel that the absence of a "Read more hubs by this author" link is depriving you of potential views?
My CPC is up over 10 times what it has been!!!! Whoop Whoop!
With the exception of a pending, in-depth explanation regarding the placement within the new layout and functionality of how the "What Others are Reading" segment works, addressing other potential minor issues, and assuming with fingers crossed a catastrophic event does not occur as a direct consequence, the result I believe is acceptable -
In my opinion, you have successfully achieved your desired degree of layout design alteration and aesthetic modification without performing an unnecessary demolition of the current template, or drastically changing the original concept which would have inevitably required significant re-adjustments by talented expert members in an effort to re-frame work within the overall page context -
Fine work MickiS & HP, (I assume all staff provided input), you have engineered a palatable and practical template which in my opinion should essentially satisfy everyone - I am this close to performing an uncontrollable, exhilarating exhibition of overt euphoric jubilation -
P.S. - Can I be the first to address two new issues I see as pending major detriments pertaining to the experimental "Profile Page" soon to be rolled out? Or shall we continue to bask and frolic in the glorious adulation of the new layout moment? -
A) Please Re-Consider & Re-Evaluate the "Similar Hubber" feature -
B) Please Re-Consider & Re-Evaluate limiting immediately visible text within the profile page - This private leasehold area is the most critically important space a member owns and occupies - A venue where he/she has the opportunity to convey vitally important information related to unique Qualifications & Experiences to an awaiting, interested global audience - It warrants unlimited space usage -
Why handcuff and or restrict a member from freely expressing himself / herself by hiding a significant portion of a potentially lengthy Bio designed almost exclusively to educate visitors? Yes, I understand the balance can be accessed via a simple click, but what is your reasoning as to why it should be partially hidden? To make more room for articles, which in my opinion are of secondary importance? And how many visitors will take the additional step to pursue this important information? -
I like the changes you have made. I like that you now have a "new" graphic when we publish new articles. I also like the new layout. It makes the hubs look even more professional looking.
Where is the Google Plus button?
I hate Google Plus personally, but isn't removing the button that links to their pride and joy kinda like slapping Google in the face?
As much as Google is kicking HP around it looks like we would try to stay on their "All Hail Google" side.
Big mistake removing the google plus button.
That's kind of a mystery to me as well.
In fact, it made me wonder about something. Does money change hands when social media buttons are placed on websites? If so, who pays whom? Probably the same situation/scenario as with cable companies versus the individual channel entities.
I haven't noticed that before. I never read that far down on the copyright page.
I hope that with the new profile design, they will include a 'contact the author' link which could be opted out for those who don't want one.
We were always able to opt out of having a contact author link. It's in your settings. The new design will continue to have a link to contact the author, but it will be moved to the fan page.
I just looked. I don't see it in settings. I don't mean having viewers contact me through my personal email, but through HP contact. There is no longer a 'contact the author' link on profiles or our hubs, (at least I don't see one).
I do see that on the new profile, the contact author link will be posted. Until then, there is no way to contact us via HP except with a comment or fan mail.
It has not been in the Hubs for a long time now. Only in the profile. The new profile is not installed yet but the contact author link will be under the fan link once we have the new profile. Right now it is a direct link in the profile.
You can shut it off by opting out in your email settings under your profile tab.
I have a suggestion - how about making the author a part of the thing that sticks to the page, with the share buttons. Especially when reading a long article, I don't remember whose hub I am reading, and having the name and photo stay on the screen will help me remember. Plus, when I am done reading, I can click on that to read more hubs by that author.
Its nice in some ways but. What happened to the vote up and down buttons.
The vote up and down buttons are in a good location now, right below the end of your hubs and above the comments section. In my opinion I think they finally got it right. They're using actual thumb icons. And the whole thing is included in a lbox along with the other voting options.
I love that idea of yours. You should go ahead and mention it in the suggest a feature forum. I think it will help a great deal with getting readers who like one of our hubs to follow along to our profile to find more.
I don't like the "Discover what other people are reading" section forced between your group hubs and comments. It makes it feel that its part of the hub and that the author is endorsing leaving there own written pages or clicking ads to see other peoples articles just because they:
1. Like the Picture
2. Like the Title
What im trying to say is it supports an ADHD type browsing habit that wouldnt be beneficial to individuals at all.
At the same time it does promote Hub pageviews of people who normally wouldn't get that person as traffic.
I do think the hurt of them clicking off page to another hub will be more hurtful to the person who originally got the traffic then beneficial as a whole.
This is why I hate this feature. It will make my readers think I am endorsing the semi-literate, populist crap that so often shows up on any related hubs feature.
Yet another reason why any hub of mine that starts to perform well will continue be moved away from here.
Well perhaps you should write on topics less prone to juvenile minds?
I do not target juvenile minds. I write the vast majority of my items for the educated layman, i.e. someone with degree-level education at minimum, but not with a specialist knowledge of the subject covered. However, I have no control on what HP decides is related material. I often cringe when I see what is featured.
WriteAngled, I happen to like it because it also means that our Hubs appear under "What Others Are Reading" in other people's Hubs. But you did bring up an important point that I agree with. I think I read somewhere that Google lowers our ranking if we have links to low quality pages elsewhere. Maybe a solution would be to only list hubs in this section that have scores over 75. Do you think that may take care of the problem?
Not really, because hub score is such a meaningless parameter. It is heavily weighted towards traffic. However, traffic is no indication of quality. In fact, heavy traffic tends to imply material that is targeted to readers of the gutter press. The only satisfactory solution would be a veto function, through which a hub author could deny specific hubs from being featured as related items to their own hubs.
I guess the only other solution would be to have the ability to opt out of placing these links in our hubs. But that would also have to include an opt-out of having our hubs listed in other places, other wise it would be fair to others.
At least with that, Hubbers can chose which option they want... No listings at all, or placement in other Hubs along with other Hubs placed in our Hubs.
I would far prefer to select opting out of being placed on other hubs!
Firstly, this means I would not have my hubs featured on hubs directed at Internet low-life.
Secondly, it means the above type of hub would not be featured on my hubs.
That would suit me just fine!
I personally wouldn't want to lose out on the free publicity. But I do, at the same time, have to agree with your feelings on this. I wish there were a way to control the level of quality that's shared among these links. What you said earlier about hub scores not reflecting actual ranking is correct. But it's the closest we can come to it for the purpose of having better links.
As an experiment, I've removed comments in some hubs from people who have scores below 50 and my Google traffic increased on those hubs. As you know, each comment links back to their profie. But there is no way to tell if the positive results were due to that. Too many other changes were being done at the same time.
Internal links are the great SEO strength of mega-sites. It would be a traffic disaster to lose them. To add to other traffic disasters.
I delete crummy comments, from other hubbers, however, simply because they discourage genuine comments from readers.
A sea of 'great hub' and 'voted up' is no place for an interesting discussion to take root.
There is not a single page anywhere on the internet, either currently available or yet to be created, that I want linked to my own pages.
Why would I? What possible benefit is there to me of saying "look at this - it's like my stuff... maybe, but you should go and check it out".
I know. It means that I should really take my stuff and put it on a website if I want that kind of control.
You can NOT relate my stuff except on some kind of ridiculous rule that says "oh you like funny - well here's a picture of a dog farting" or "oh you like stickmen - well here are a thousand pages of people's better drawn stickmen".
I know. It's a community writing site. I really would like to know how this linking looks in Google's eyes and what benefit it is to Hubpages and most of all - what possible benefit is it to me?
Apart from that.. I really like the new design.
Mark, I wouldn't have found you if it hadn't been for some link I saw on someone else's hub. The community aspect really appeals to me. Otherwise, we are stuck in our own little circles and never getting a chance to venture out in the real world and learn that people write about other topics, and some of them are really interesting, or even funny.
I understand what you are saying and I like the community.
But the internet game is about getting your reader and using them - to buy stuff, to look at your other pages, to stay with YOU. It is not about suggesting they go elsewhere.
In my opinion, they might as well put Squidoo links on there - they are as much use to me.
oh yes, I realize it has been gone for a while, but just remembered it's not visible to the author while signed in... please pardon my blonde, hot Florida summer moment.
I quite like the new layout but I would like to ask the same question as sabreblade. Where is the Google Plus button? I quite liked it and would like to have it back.
Yeah...what he said!
No really...where is it?
HP got rid of it because they said hardly anybody was using it
"Now according to the latest reports from Hitwise (a experian company that monitors US web traffic), Google+ has unseated many of the closest networks including Pinterest, LinkedIn, MySpace, Tagged and Yelp and captured the 5th position in the top 10 social media websites (refer image below)."
http://google-plus.com/6860/google-now- … g-hitwise/
They might wanna rethink losing the button.
We need all the help we can get.
I totally agree with others comments. The new look looks more pro and smart in appearance. Just make the avator bigger and its gonna be perfect.
Regards all and happy hubbing and dont forget to share hub love with your friend hubbers by sharing their hubs on your social sites.
I just wanted to stop by and say that I LOVE the change made to the "voted up" and "voted down" buttons. They look so much like the "like" and "dislike" buttons on Facebook and YouTube, which makes people want to engage more and maybe leave a comment, answer a poll, or click on a link. Great work!
The avatar is hardly visible. It must be bigger or there is absolutely no point in having it there. Make avatar bigger please.
The rest of the new design is fine.
Absent an in-depth explanation of how the "Discover What Others Are Reading" experiment works, bundled with the expressed assurance that an equitable distribution of links leading only to top quality articles appear within the body of my Hubs, I will have no choice but to insert a D I S C L A I M E R as notice to inform readers that I do not endorse the content contained within this space -
Quality = Quality - Not expressed with an indiscriminate Hub or Hubber number which everyone understands are irrelevant and meaningless in regard to writing ability, creativity, grammatical correctness, spelling, etc., all common elements of which help to define "Quality" -
Unfortunately I will be forced to insert a similar "Disclaimer" within the new "Profile Page" if the "Similar Hubber" feature is ultimately incorporated -
My apologies for the following "Off Topic" comment addendum, however, it's published out of necessity - Access to the proper forum is impossible at this time -
Is HP experiencing technical difficulties or currently tweaking the system? The functions located at upper right corner *explore* *notifications* Alternative Prime* *start a new hub* are currently not working for me - A few other features seem to be malfunctioning as well -
The same thing happened a few weeks ago but corrected itself within 3 to 4 days -
Please advise - THX
Today, our hubs are no longer dated. Date published and last date updated are gone. Thank you, Hubpages.
Now, I repeat, if you can just reconsider the size of the profile pic, then the new layout would be perfect. (not again! hahaha I'm a nagger!)
That's why we just have to keep at it. BTW, love your daisy pic, Trish.
I nag nag nag too. Please enlarge our profile pictures.
Yes, please - it's nice that they're back, but they are tiny.
Even more importantly (for me) I would like to see the return of the "Read more hubs by this author" link.
Yes, I know that two more of your hubs appear at the bottom of the hub if you've sorted your hubs into groups, but it's not at all obvious to the casual reader that these are by the same author.
I second these requests!
As you may note, I am no longer a daisy. I'm a buttercup now
lol You are funny, Trish! I love flowers.. they make me happy... even buttercups. Just kiddin! Your yellow buttercup is lovely.
+2 to the requests above.
Trish the buttercup! It's pretty. As you can see, I am now a green background with an "M" for Marlene (where my face would normally appear, but the avatar is so small you can't see who I am anyway). "M" for Marlene. Green because I haven't settled on a shade of blue that I like yet. I'm getting close!
Thank you. The next time you see me, hopefully I will be blue.
Will this mean you need the kiss of life or you are turning into a Smurf? lol
Just call me the SmurfLady! I love the color blue- every shade.
lol, blue is actually my favourite colour of all, reminds me of sunny days and blue skies
I don't want to change my avatar, it's my brand here on HubPages.
Until HP management concede to giving our profile pictures a minimum dimension of 100px instead of the current minuscule 50px, I have no option but to add a signature at the bottom of my hubs, including a 1/4 size photo of my avatar as shown here:
Red lines not included of course
I agree with you, Sue Adams. It's called "branding". It's how people learn to recognize us. When I looked at my little avatar after the change, it was so small my face just looked like a little brown smudge. I didn't want to be recognized as a brown smudge, so I changed my profile photo to the one I have now.
50px is just too small for faces. Granted, some websites go so small as 40px. But, the more well-known companies go with 80px or larger. Apparently, they understand the concept of branding.
I know HubPages has their reasons for keeping the avatars so small. I just have to respect their judgement. But in doing so, I had to make changes of my own - much the same as you - to make it work for me. So, now (only on HubPages) I can be seen as the lady with the white "M" (for Marlene) on a blue background. That's my new persona for HubPages. But, everywhere else on the web, people can see my face - as they should, since my face is my brand.
I used to worry about the brand thing. Thought that people would seek out Mark Ewbie. Maybe one or two Hubbers do or maybe they don't.
Point is... Internet. The Internet doesn't care about Mark Ewbie. The world does not care. I am not so good as I thought I was when I started.
My money comes from people looking for something, and staying long enough to read it. They don't then sign up to the Mark Ewbie fan club, or spend any longer than they have to searching the internet for more marvellous stuff.
In my opinion, brand might work for JK Rowling, but for an amateur online writer it ain't worth diddly.
I started a new forum thread for those concerned about the size of their avatar.
Profile Picture / Avatar Size
The more I look at the new layout, the more I like it. I must admit during the consultation processes, I was a bit concerned about some of the ideas and draft layouts, but HubPages really does seem to have listened to its members, the less attractive ideas have been weeded out, and overall the impression is a much improved, clear, professional looking page. There are nitpicks expressed on the forum, some of which I agree with, but the positives far outweigh the negatives. There's nothing really irritating about the new layout, and plenty to recommend it. I suspect that it may well lead to improved hub viewings, and sharings with other sites.
I agree Greensleeves. The more I look at the new layout, the more I like it. I think it looks more up-to-date and professional than some of the other platforms I write on. The smaller avatar doesn't bother me at all. I was actually happy with just my by-line under the title.
It's also been interesting to hear various staff members explain all of the thought and testing that have gone into every decision.
The blogpost New Hub design rolled out sitewide! on the HUbPages blog clearly gives a recap of all the new design changes.
In my comment on that page I asked (referring to your entry on this forum),
"Please explain how the 50 million figure is arrived at."
Jason Menayan replied:
"We use our Google Analytics figures which show 50 million visits a month".
Hmm... not sure why the Quantcast results would be so much different. Hopefully they're going by unique views, when looking at Google Analytics.
I checked Quantcast today to see if we're still going downward and there was a slight bump up for this weekend... there were 417,118 people that stopped by this past Saturday, which is a bump up from the 394,089 people that stopped by last Saturday.
So, the changes may have helped, but we won't know that until we see a climb up next Saturday, and the next Saturday and so on... plus we have to see what happens next time Panda or Penguin gets an update.
I'm looking forward to another step upward next weekend. We'll see what happens.
Hi, a quick question. So the new layout will not have as much ads as HP used to have earlier? This does affect our earning potential correct? Thanks.
My overall views have reduced drastically. My adsense earning as well as views per day has completely gone below the line. My hubs are dying. Hubs that faired well for the past 2 years are nearly dead. And all with in the past couple of weeks. Quite shocked with the downwards stats.
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