A History of the End of the World

The sky is falling

People have been predicting the end of the world since the beginning of the world. Here are some notable developments in the armageddon that have occurred over the centuries.

"The Last Judgement" by Michelangelo
"The Last Judgement" by Michelangelo
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"Destruction" by Thomas Cole

Ancient Rome

An early Roman myth held that Romulus had been visited by 12 eagles revealing the lifetime of the city. Each eagle represented 10 years, thus many believed the city would be destroyed in the 120th year of its founding, producing the date of 634 BC. The Roman empire actually fell over a millennium later, in 476 AD.

Christianity

The first generation of the followers of Jesus expected him to return within their lifetimes, bringing an end to the world:

"Then Jesus said to His disciples... Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." (Matthew 16: 24-28)

When this did not happen, successive generations of Christians expected the end to come within their lifetimes.

Bishop Hilary of Poitiers predicted in 365 AD that the world would end in that year, believing that Emperor Constantius II was the Antichrist. (Amidst some bad blood between the two, Hilary had earlier been banished by Constantius to Turkey.) Subsequently, St. Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, braced his followers for the definite end of the world between 375 and 400 AD. He said "there is no doubt that the Antichrist has already been born."

Pope Innocent III predicted the end of the world in the early 13th century amidst the Crusades, famines, crop failures and other scary events of the time. This forecast failing, he is also said to have identified the year 1284, by adding 666 years to the founding date of Islam.

As 1000 years after Jesus neared, many predicted the end, producing various episodes of mass hysteria. As 1000 years after Jesus passed, many seers realized they had failed to account for Jesus' lifespan. Thus the new date was pushed up to 1033 AD.

Tomasso Campanella, a Dominican monk and philosopher, predicted that the sun and earth would collide in 1603. In the late 17th century a breakaway Russian Orthodox group calling itself the Old Believers developed an ultraconservative belief system that included the imminent end of the world. Many Old Believers opted to burn themselves to death, rather than be faced with the Antichrist.

American Christians and the end of the world

On May 19, 1780, the skies over New England turned dark, convincing many that Judgement Day had arrived. The darkness was caused by smoke from large-scale forest fires. American Preacher William Miller, whose beliefs informed Seventh-Day Adventism and Jehovah's Witness, famously predicted the end of the world for 1844. The non-event led to the equally famous "Great Disappointment."

Jehovah's Witnesses are famous for their many failed predictions of the end times. They have specified dates including 1914, 1925, 1942, 1975 and any minute now. Throughout the 20th century, followers have been encouraged by the leadership to sell off possessions, and to not bother pursuing college education, starting a family, or other major life commitments in preparation for the coming of Jesus. The Jehovah's Witnesses have been obliged to alter or change official doctrine numerous times, in the face of failed predictions.

Evangelist Jerry Falwell added a Christian apocalyptic twist to the Y2K mania, claiming in 1999:

[God] may be preparing to confound our language, to jam our communications, scatter our efforts, and judge us for our sin and rebellion against his lordship. We are hearing from many sources that January 1, 2000, will be a fateful day in the history of the world.

Islam

The Quran warns against human attempts to set a date for the end of the world (in verses 7:187, 31:34, and 43:85), but that has not stopped various Muslims from trying.

According to some scholars of the Hadith, Muhammad tied the appearance of the Dajjal (the Islamic equivalent of the Antichrist) to the Muslim conquest of Constantinople (The Hadith of Sunan Abu Dawud: Book 37, Number 4281-83). Muslims conquered Constantinople in 1453. The Dajjal/ Antichrist did not appear, and the world did not end.

Other Hadith traditions claim that Muhammad, like Jesus, predicted the end of the world within the lifetime of his first followers:

Anas reported that a person asked [Muhammad] as to when the Last Hour would come. He had in his presence a young boy of the Ansar... [Muhammad] said: If this young boy lives, he may not grow very old till (he would see) the Last Hour coming to you. (The Hadith of Sahih Muslim: Book 41, Number 7051)

Another major Hadith scholar indicated that Muhammad predicted everybody would be dead within a hundred years:

Once the Prophet led us in the 'Isha' prayer during the last days of his life and after finishing... he said: "Do you realize (the importance of) this night? Nobody present on the surface of the earth tonight will be living after the completion of one hundred years from this night." (The Hadith of Sahih Al Bukhari: Vol 1, Book 3, Number 16)

In recent decades, new schools of thought have developed, often conflating "the Beast" with Israel, Zionism or the entire nation of the United States, and encouraged by recent American invasions into the Muslim world. One of the foremost adherents of these kinds of ideas is Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad.

2012 and recent developments in the apocalypse

A Newsweek poll in 1999 indicated that 40% of Americans believed the world will eventually end in a battle between Jesus and the Antichrist.

In 2012 the sun is due to align with the Galactic plane for the first time in 26,000 years. In addition, the Mayan calendar, which is based on a cycle of 5,125 years, reverts to zero in December of that year. These facts have led many to believe the end of the world--or some other momentous event in human history--will take place. There is no clear indication the Maya themselves expected the kind of catastrophe currently being popularized.

Current projections for 2012 include earthquakes, floods, global political and social upheaval, a reversal in the magnetic polarity of the earth, collisions with asteroids and even a collision with another planet.

The most immediate threat as of this writing (April, 2011) is forecast by a small American Christian group led by Harold Camping, who has calculated that the Rapture will occur on May 21, 2011. He then expects the world to come to an end on October 21.

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Mel Jay 5 years ago from Australia

Thumbs up and awesome from me - I really enjoyed this hub. Your research has been meticulous and your choice of imagery resonates with the theme - Cheers Mel


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Abie Taylor 5 years ago from Wakefield, United Kingdom

Great hub! Like Jay said, it looks like you've done a lot of reseach and it is very well worded! Rated up, useful and awesome x


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miss_jkim 5 years ago

This is one of the best hubs I have read on this subject. As the previous posters have stated, you have done great research, and the presentation is just plain good journalism.

Voted Up, useful and awesome.


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Mel, thanks. Glad to hear you enjoyed it. Thanks for visiting.


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Thanks, Abie. I appreciate that. It was definitely a lot of research. Originally I wanted to incorporate end-of-world predictions from a greater variety of cultures/ traditions, but it turns out there haven't been very many notable ones outside of the western/ Christian and Islamic worlds. And there are lot more where these came from, too.


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Miss Jkim, thanks a lot, I appreciate it. And I didn't even go to journalism school! :)


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Why does everyone look for the world to end? It's kind of pointless. If it is going to happen, there is very little you can do about it. If it isn't going to happen, you might as well enjoy the life you've been given!


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Well said, Austinstar. Thanks for visiting. But I still think people will continue to predict The End for a long time to come, lol...

It's very romantic and exciting for a lot of people to think about.


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travel_man1971 5 years ago from Bicol, Philippines

A first-rate expose regarding those predictions about the end of the world. Thanks for sharing.


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Matthew 24 33:44 (which I consider to be the 'weather forecast')states....

So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

That settles the matter!

We can see when the conditions are right, but NOBODY not even Christ knows the exact time when God will pull the plug on this sideshow.


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Thank you very much, travel man. Glad you liked it.


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

That settles the matter eh, Aguasilver? Lol, not according to Harold Camping and Family Radio:

http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/no...

He has some kind of explanation, and also cites other Bible passages that contradict the one you mentioned.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

The end of the world is exciting and romantic? What an odd thing to think. I would imagine that the end of the world would be rather devastating.

Fear is such a good motivator though that I think it is the reason that religionoids are always predicting the end. Fear makes people do some very odd things. Like buy gas masks, build bomb shelters and go to church a lot. It's money in the bank.


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

I think I will stay with my KJV take on things! and there have been MANY who have predicted the TIME and got it wrong, I guess someone may guess or think they have it worked out accurately, but then they are saying that they know 100% the mind of God....

Then again I see a big move to survivalist thinking in some areas, and even in people of faith.... so go figure, all I want to know is that when it happens I'm on the right side of eternity!


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Austinstar, but that's exactly why it's so exciting. It's the ultimate once-in-a-lifetime experience. And imagine the satisfaction of knowing after countless failed predictions, yours was right. After all the naysayers and the people who called you crazy, you were right, and they were all wrong. That can be very satisfying to a lot of people.

Yes, religion and fear have a great symbiotic relationship. Very true.


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Aguasilver, it is now May 1st. We shall see who has the last laugh... mwahahaha! :)

I'll still never get why one interpretation of the Bible is better than any other. It's all "God's word," after all.


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Well if scripture is wrong, nobody will exist, so no laughs there, and if it's right, then those on the wrong side will not be laughing, and those on the right side will also be sad to know that some chose wrongly, so no laughing there either!

I chose the KJV because as Derek Prince stated, there are about 400 mistranslations, but we know where they are after so much time.... younger versions will not be so evident in their mistranslations.

The Word of God may be available to all, but you b\need to be a 'Berean' to correctly understand it, not all translations are equal!


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

What's a "Berean"?


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

A Berean was an inhabitant of Beroea, a town which received Paul & Barnabus and....

"were entirely ready and accepted and welcomed the message [concerning the attainment through Christ of eternal salvation in the kingdom of God] with inclination of mind and eagerness, searching and examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so."

i.e. they were open minded and sought to establish for themselves that what they wee told was actually truth, using the existing (Torah) scriptures to establish that fact.

As opposed to folk who profess a faith but in reality have just accepted what they were told by whoever led them to the faith they attained.

The Berean believer is a former sceptic, honest enough to accept that they were in error previously.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

So, if someone convinced you that there were no gods, you would be honest enough to accept that?


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Absolutely, said that from day one, spent my first two years trying to discredit scripture, and have never stopped doing so, and never managed to find the lie that would release me from the clutches of Christ, rejected most of Churchianity, don't mind them doing what they do, but have managed to set free a bunch of folk that were trapped there.

My relationship with Christ is based upon relationship, I drift, I wander, I sin, but He keeps bringing me back and showering me with His love and Grace.

I'm blessed, have been able to bless others and will stand before Him to hopefully hear, "Well done my true and trusted servant"

But if I have just been a pawn in His service, so be it, I read the end of the book, and God wins, that's all that matters.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

We all win, Aqua. This is our universe.


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Aguasilver, I wasn't talking about different translations, I'm talking about multiple meanings and contradictions within a single translation of the Bible (or within the original Bible, however you want to think of it). It's not very impressive for the "word of God" it claims to be.

And if life is finite, then we should laugh anyway, while we can still enjoy life.


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Austinstar, "We all win, Aqua. This is our universe." I sure hope you are right, but my understanding is that we don't all win, if we make the wrong choices. It's popular thinking to say that there can be no losers in life, but the reality is that happen-chance of birth, geography or life choices badly made, can make us losers.

There is a remedy, Christ, but many people ignore that without examining and testing the situation, sad, but SOME do lose, in temporal and eternal existences.

secularist10 "And if life is finite, then we should laugh anyway, while we can still enjoy life."

We can laugh, I enjoy life to the full and laugh like a drain regularly, especially as I have an internet buddy who sends hilarious jokes daily!

I laugh at what a fool I once was, and how others act out their self made existences, I laugh when folk worry about tomorrow, or try to change the world in ways that God has not decreed it will change.

And I am assured that I will laugh on the other side of the divide between this world and the next.

As for the translations of man, I agree many have allowed the words of God to become corrupted in their interpretations, but that's OK, the bible (any bible) is just like the water at the base of the pump in a desert, you cannot drink it, but once you use it to prime the pump, the water, living water, flows forever as long as you keep pumping.

If and when you (one) has a personal relationship with Christ, the pump is primed, communications are direct and continuous for as long as you keep pumping.

Last pump of water (if you are taking a rest) must fill the bottle again, you need that bottle of water (Holy Spirit) to prime the pump next time.

So your concerns about bible corruptions and contradictions concern me not, men are fallible, God is not.


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Well, I don't know much about pumping water, but I do know that the well of religion ran dry a long time ago. I think I'll stick with the secular well: the water is cleaner, clearer and it goes down a lot easier.

God may not be fallible, but men are. And it is men who tell you about God.

Can't cut out that middleman.


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

"Can't cut out that middleman."

Oh but you can, indeed we are told that we are a holy priesthood as individuals, and there is no longer any need for any other 'intercessor' than Christ.

I have no middleman between myself and God, and neither does any other believer NEED one.

Having said that WHERE I find a man or woman of God who can assist me, I will accept their assistance, and equally, where I can assist another brother or sister, I will do so, but a believers task is to make themselves redundant in their ministry, i.e. lead people to the fullness of Christ, not make them dependent upon man.

"the well of religion ran dry a long time ago"

What nonsense, a retort not an observation, the Living Waters of Christ run freely and flow abundantly to those who chose to drink of them.

Your 'wells' are fed by God anyway, for the rain falls on the righteous and the unrighteous equally.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Aquasilver - "Your 'wells' are fed by God anyway, for the rain falls on the righteous and the unrighteous equally."

First of all, this is a judgement call and I don't think you're qualified to make it.

Second, If you are actually talking to God/Jesus, isn't there some way you can record the conversation? Why does anyone need "assistance"? Why can't God/Jesus speak for himself to everyone? Not just to "believers".

Most religions tell you that your life on earth is infinitesimally small compared to that which awaits you in heaven. So why even bother trying to do anything but praise God while here on earth? - Why would you spend your one earthly life doing something that you have eternity to do when you go to "heaven"?


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

"First of all, this is a judgement call and I don't think you're qualified to make it."

Not me making the call actually, but Christ himself....

Matthew 5:44-46 (Amplified Bible)

But I tell you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, to show that you are the children of your Father Who is in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the wicked and on the good, and makes the rain fall upon the upright and the wrongdoers [alike].

His judgement call, valid whether someone accepts it or not.

Christ is qualified to make it.

"Second, If you are actually talking to God/Jesus, isn't there some way you can record the conversation?"

I do record some of those conversations, look in my hubs, Pictograms comes to mind.

"Why does anyone need "assistance"?

Because without Christ, no matter how important or intelligent they may perceive themselves to be, they are lost. Lost folk need assistance finding their way 'home' - if they reject the assistance, they stay lost, even if they are convinced they are heading to the destination they have chosen.

"Why can't God/Jesus speak for himself to everyone? Not just to "believers"."

He does, all the time, but it seems that only when one becomes a believer that they listen.

"...why even bother trying to do anything but praise God while here on earth? - Why would you spend your one earthly life doing something that you have eternity to do when you go to "heaven"?"

Good point, in fact if we do spend our life praising God, He rewards us abundantly, and believers spend their life 'doing something that you have eternity to do when you go to "heaven"?' because that's how you get there, doing what God desires here in our temporal existence.

Every word we utter is either praising God (lifting up His name) or rejecting God (denigrating His name)- how we chose to spend our lives effects how we spend eternity.

Simple choice, which we make in any case whatever we think, by the words and actions we express in this life.

John 3:16-21 expresses it perfectly:

For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten ([unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.

For God did not send the Son into the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, but that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him.

He who believes in Him [who clings to, trusts in, relies on Him] is not judged [he who trusts in Him never comes up for judgment; for him there is no rejection, no condemnation--he incurs no damnation]; but he who does not believe (cleave to, rely on, trust in Him) is judged already [he has already been convicted and has already received his sentence] because he has not believed in and trusted in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [He is condemned for refusing to let his trust rest in Christ's name.]

The [basis of the] judgment (indictment, the test by which men are judged, the ground for the sentence) lies in this: the Light has come into the world, and people have loved the darkness rather than and more than the Light, for their works (deeds) were evil.

For every wrongdoer hates (loathes, detests) the Light, and will not come out into the Light but shrinks from it, lest his works (his deeds, his activities, his conduct) be exposed and reproved.

But he who practices truth [who does what is right] comes out into the Light; so that his works may be plainly shown to be what they are--wrought with God [divinely prompted, done with God's help, in dependence upon Him].

On those few verses hang our eternal situation.

I came to faith late (41) but having been around the spiritual block a few times, finally reached these verses, and knew that I needed to decide for myself whether they were truth or lie.

Once I had opened my life to Christ, and rejected the deceptions of the world, my life became constant and easier to live, and I discovered an inner peace that is not as the world offers peace, but is unsurpassed and incomprehensible to those who do not have that relationship with Christ.

To bring this back on topic, I care not what date Christ returns, for I hope to be watching and praying at whatever time He returns for His people, in the sure and certain knowledge that I may be accounted worthy to escape ALL these things.

Finally:

2 Peter 3:3-4 (Amplified Bible)

To begin with, you must know and understand this, that scoffers (mockers) will come in the last days with scoffing, [people who] walk after their own fleshly desires

And say, Where is the promise of His coming? For since the forefathers fell asleep, all things have continued exactly as they did from the beginning of creation.

That just about sums up the situation, you see, God knew before the creation of everything what we would write today.

Frightening huh!


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Agua

"the Living Waters of Christ run freely and flow abundantly to those who chose to drink of them."

What nonsense, a retort not an observation.

How did you learn about Christ? By studying the Bible and the writings of other believers. And who wrote those things? Men.

Voila. QED.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Follow the 3,000 year old books. They are the inspired words of the jealous God. Don't try to make sense of it, just "believe" and it will be revealed to you.

If my father condemned my whole family and every generation afterwards because I (as a 2 year old) used my "free will" to disobey my father's "don't eat this" command for putting a cookie under my nose, do you actually think I should beg forgiveness on my knees forever after (and all my descendants) and praise the wisdom of a father that would do such a thing to a child?

Just from the first chapter of this book, I would toss it in the garbage, just like Helen Keller when she was forced to read it.


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

One hears about Christ from books, but you learn about Christ by experience (of how He has worked in yours and others lives)and from the leadings of the Holy Spirit.

Nice try, no cigar.

"....do you actually think I should beg forgiveness on my knees forever after (and all my descendants) and praise the wisdom of a father that would do such a thing to a child?"

Again, you chose deception over the truth!

God told His Creation to avoid the deception that the enemy would try to get them to accept, they chose to believe the enemy over God, therefore proving their rebellious nature, which they chose to follow.

It was not a cookie, it was a poisonous deception, sure God planted it in the garden, yes He could have left it out, but the point was (and still is) that God gave us a paradise to live in, cared for 100% by Himself, and we chose to try self government, which led to the disaster we live with.

But like any Father, He also gave us a way to redeem themselves, in Christ, who took our sinful nature and dealt with the enemy for all time, for those who accept His mercy.

Our progeny ALL have the same option, to be rebellious or obey God, we ALL chose to be rebellious, we all need redemption, we all can receive redemption in Christ, some choose to stay in rebellion.

Like I said, our words and actions determine our eternal situation, chose your words carefully then is the best advice, often offered, seldom accepted.


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Agua:

"One hears about Christ from books, but you learn about Christ by experience (of how He has worked in yours and others lives)..."

And how do you understand this experience? Through the brain or brains of men!

Semantics: "Hear about" and "learn about" are just different degrees of the same thing.

You simply cannot remove the middleMAN.

When Christ communicates with someone else, how do you hear about it? From that person, whoever it was he communicated with. Duh.

And if Christ communicates with you, you understand his message through the filter of your own brain and interpretation.

So whether it is you, or someone else, the limited human brain is an obstacle you cannot avoid, try as you might. Just as in the game of telephone, the more humans in the chain, the less reliable the message is--and its reliability declines exponentially.

This makes the Bible, from which you like to quote extensively, one of the least reliable sources of all.


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

It's 5am where I am, just had a brilliant but serious thuderstorm, hence I got up and answered these comments, now getting back to some sleep as the storm has passed.

Each believer has a direct line (to use your phone analogy) to God via the Holy Spirit.

No secularist can ever understand that, nor experience it unless the Holy Spirit calls them to account.

No point in answering any further, your decisions been made and your mind is closed to any other answer than one which fits your concepts, so be it.

I have to state that I was a most reluctant believer, my entry to faith was a defection rather than a conversion, my walk has been chequered to say the least, I do not fit into most standard synagogues of Churchianity, most traditional believers find me challenging to their lukewarm faiths, and I have been were secularists stand.

My decision to follow Christ was based upon the sound logic that as I knew the enemy well, and had worked for him for many years, my choices were obvious, defect to Christ or stay in the enemies power and command.

I did not like where I was with the enemy, I have never regretted choosing Christ as my master over the alternative.

So I understand where you are coming from, and 20 years ago would have been complimenting you on your hub, but now.... I know you are in error by deception, so I write to you, and I reason with you and I must conclude that you will not or cannot accept my position, so must dust my feet and move on.

May the Lord Richly Bless you with a full revelation of His love for you, and His plan for your life.

John


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

I usually hear this kind of talk about me being "closed-minded" and "you'll just never understand" (which is nonsense) from someone who is losing the argument.

It is you, Aguasilver, who chose to make a logical or rational argument for your beliefs. Yet when I challenge the logic on the basis of logic, you fold. It is simply a flawed argument. No shame there--I've made many flawed arguments. The only shame is not owning up to it.

Each believer must interpret the "Holy Spirit" in light of his own brain. Thus man's interference is unavoidable. No religionist can ever understand that, nor experience it unless he steps outside of his assumptions.

Your decision's been made and your mind is closed to any other answer than one which fits your concepts, so be it.

You say you "understand" where I am coming from, and you certainly invoke the mantle of "reason" often enough, yet when push comes to shove, I hear a lot of poetry and metaphor and not much in the form of rigorous, reason-based argument.

You are free to believe what you wish--freedom of thought and freedom of belief is a part of my tradition. So of course I am happy for you to believe whatever.

Whatever kind of "secularist" you were in the past, may you one day think critically and challenge the flawed assumptions and gaping logical holes inherent in your current belief system.

Here's a friendly invitation to help you on your way, one of my most popular hubs:

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Proofs-for...


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

As I think my son would have said... whatever.

Little point in continuing a conversation where both sides speak different languages.

Like I said, dust my feet.


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Unsurprising.

Hey, I thought "whatever" was only for pot-smoking college-aged atheists?

As my father would say... igual.

(BTW you might want to reevaluate that whole "one, true god" thing in light of new evidence: http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/ )


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Ezybonds 5 years ago from Worldwide

When my son used to say 'whatever' he was a pot-smoking college-aged atheist, thankfully now he ministers to street kids in NYC and came to know Christ (on his own)

Your father would probably say igualamente, and I would say de nada.

Your Googleism argument runs out of steam when we reach the words 'potentially immortal'and 'theoretically' which kinda knock immortality on the head for Google, which will crash and burn in time anyway.

Daniel 12:3-5 (Amplified Bible)

And the teachers and those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and those who turn many to righteousness (to uprightness and right standing with God) [shall give forth light] like the stars forever and ever.

But you, O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the Book until the time of the end. [Then] many shall run to and fro and search anxiously [through the Book], and knowledge [of God's purposes as revealed by His prophets] shall be increased and become great.

You really think God did not know all about Google?

He told us that knowledge would increase when we enter the end times, and by all accounts we are there (which was after all the topic of your hub) we just don't know exactly WHEN God will give the command to wrap up this secular mess and restore His Kingdom on earth.


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Ezybonds, thanks for coming

No, he would say "igual." He's a native speaker of Spanish. It's an expression. And the word you're looking for is "igualmente." But, trifles.

Umm... I don't actually believe Google is God. It was a joke, lol.

"He told us that knowledge would increase when we enter the end times, and by all accounts we are there"

Interesting, but knowledge was increasing 200 years ago. And 500 years ago, and 2500 years ago. Who's to say we might not go on for another 500 or 10 million years?


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Ah, secularist, they are ganging up on you. And yet, you can take it. I wish they could do the same.

What is it about "God" that makes people so aggressive and hell bent on converting people to "Christ"?

You present a hub on all the fallacious beliefs of the "end of times" and all they can do is spout the bible (copy and paste). Not one original thought between them all.


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

I say let 'em come, Austinstar. I always enjoy a good debate. I've probably been given several Bible's worth of verses and passages by now in various online debates with believers, lol.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Or we could combine our received pages! They are spreading the word, after all.


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Indeed.

I have now added Britney Spears' contribution to the end-of-world discussion for everyone's listening pleasure.


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LaurenLL 5 years ago

Good hub, you can imagine how the world end, I think this is very near.


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Thanks for visiting, Lauren.


Kelly Henson 5 years ago

It aint going to happen. Camping is a liar. He can read the bible over and over and over again and still not come to a solution that the world ends on the day he says. He has been wrong on more than one occasion and this idiot will be wrong again.

Don't cancel any weekend plans you may have for that day. No one knows when the day is and those who do are a liar.

In some countries they stone people to death for doing that stuff. The bible is like a jigsaw puzzle. Just when you think you know it all and have put it together god messes your work and makes you start over again. Well same thing here. Camping is going to lie steal and make people commit suicide so he can steal their money and personal stuff after they are dead.

Its the earmarks of a 7th day adventist or a cult or both. Harold Camping is evil. He works for the devil and reads the bible trying to trick us into doing his work. Camping is a joke and will continue to be a joke for many years to come.

More importantly His followers will turn on him. Saying I have had enough of hearing your lies. And his family radio and everything with it will be shut down. The American people will turn on him. The entire world will turn on him. His family radio stations will cease to exist. I aint going on no hill. If god returns he will return when he is good and ready to. Not when Harold Camping says. Continue your lives. Be alert. Harold Camping is a joke waiting to happen. That is my prediction for Harold Camping. And that I know will happen in the days after May 21st. God bless everyone and stay true to God. And dont let this poison that is Harold Camping get to you.


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secularist10 5 years ago from New York City Author

Kelly, thanks for coming. Sounds like you've had some bad experiences with Camping et al?

I don't think he's much of a threat, to be honest. We've seen this dog-and-pony show before. Most of America has probably never heard of him, and probably never will. Nothing to get excited about. :)


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Say Yes To Life 2 years ago from Big Island of Hawaii

It's been awhile since anyone has commented on this hub. Obviously we're still here.

I remember Harold Camping wrote a book called "1994?", predicting the world would end then. He encouraged his followers to order several copies through their bookstores "so others will see and buy it". This is dishonest.

Obviously, the world didn't end in 1994.

I find it personally significant that Harold Camping died on December 15th, on the 17th anniversary I was attacked by a professional criminal, and the cult I had inadvertently joined turned its back on me.

Secularist10, since the last time I posted on your hubs, I've had a lot to think about. I started getting flashbacks regarding joining the cult, and wrote a hub about it. You may want to check it out sometime.

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/My-Experie...


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secularist10 2 years ago from New York City Author

I saw some of his activists that day here in New York on the street. They gathered in a little circle with the crowd checking them out to see what was happening.

When the time came, they let out a great cry and fell down on the ground in a big dramatic display. A bunch of fresh teenagers pointed and laughed. Me and my friends chuckled and kept going about our day. Life moved on.

Thanks for the link. You're welcome back any time.

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