Atheism and Education

Can Education Prove or Disprove a God Students have not Seen?

The Harvard Yard.
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Atheists Smarter by Education or Dumber by Socialization?

Actually, I believe there is an inverse relationship to intelligence and education. While atheists laud reports of studies which show there is a correlation of education to atheism, most of them have never seen any such study. In fact, it is likely that most who believe this is true have never seen such a study, and certainly have never reviewed the raw data. After years of asking atheists to show me the science backing this statement (and receiving nothing in response, except dogma), I executed my own aggressive research. I found the one study upon which this claim is based. See below.

This is a problem amongst the college educated. They have been formatted to accept a statement that a study was completed. And, they also accept the conclusion the lecturer gives them. They do not request the raw data. They also do not ask for the analytical process, statistical model, or equations used.

It is a tactic of Satanists, and people who do not understand who their father really is, to LIE. How many false claims at "the missing link" have there been as false claims to "prove" the THEORY (not law!) of Darwinian macro-evolution (the sudden transformation of one species into a distinctly new species by mutation)? Lucy, pilt down man, and several other archeological "finds" have been debunked as outright lies.

Back to the relationship of atheism and education. Heuristically, there appears to be a correlation. But, what is the basis of this correlation? Certainly, no CAUSAL relationship has been proven. Atheists like to say that more intelligent people reject God, and that more intelligence is measured by completing education.

Have any of them considered that it is the EDUCATION, not the ability of the students entering systems of education, that is the independent variable in this relationship? That is to say, for those atheists who passed stat 101 for arts students with a C, that education CAUSES rejection of God. This is a basic error in statistical analysis and in scientific reasoning. Once you have noticed a correlation, you must be very careful before claiming causality.

It is an easy foray into research to learn that Satanists have several very effective tactics. One of these is to control all leadership and information. To execute this, they have infiltrated groups and now run them. They actively seek to own and control the top seats of religious organizations (the reason so many teachings in denominational churches are weak and errant), scholastic systems, corporations, and governments. One of the biggest known New World Order families (who are all Satanists) owns 99% of all text book publishing in the U.S. Another of these families owns all the major museums.

Brain Molding

School formats your brain and creates formats of information acceptance: Hear, repeat, get reward = Lecture, exam, grade. No points for reviewing the procedure or data. Only pre-approved conclusions are rewarded.
School formats your brain and creates formats of information acceptance: Hear, repeat, get reward = Lecture, exam, grade. No points for reviewing the procedure or data. Only pre-approved conclusions are rewarded. | Source

In Business, Education Systems are Called Socialization Tools

In international business school, they teach that the more control the government maintains over the education of children, the more stable the country. This is part of what corporate leaders call "socialization". This might be called "mind control", "thought control", "idea control" or even "belief control" by free thinkers who apply a rational, philosophical eye to the situation.

Mind control is often established with the simple repetition of information. I did a review of all my business texts which I had in e-book format. They ALL had a favorable mention of Darwin. Even my accounting text worked it in.

Now, Einstein is credited as an ultimate example of iconoclastic scientific theoretical work. He formulated an experiment to test his theory of relativity. When a plane flew around the globe with a clock, it returned a few seconds behind the clock which remained at the point of origin. If you know what you are talking about, you can predict in such a way.

Darwin predicted that, IF his theory on the origin of species was correct, that the fossil record would provide an ample representation of transitional species. Despite the over abundance of fossils recovered, there has NEVER been even ONE example. If you think there have been, you have been deceived by "artists conceptions". Typically, the museum commissions a contest, with several entrants. The artist who presents the one which best fits the promoted idea- which in turn promotes a rejection of God- wins the contest.

I state here that I know what I am talking about. To support my position, I make the following predictions: Satanic elements (whether they are recognized as such or not) will continue efforts to control all education (socialization) of children. The attack on marriage will continue. Media and other idea control tools will continue to push the idea that homosexual marriage is good and an "outdated" Christian concept of one man and one woman for life is the silly thinking of individuals with limited capacity for scientific, reasoned thought. They only believe it because that is what they were born into! Eventually, the government will claim that THEY own all children, and should raise them themselves.

Do Nations with More Education have More Atheists?

Can you notice the glaring problem with this graph?
Can you notice the glaring problem with this graph? | Source

The Problem with the Graph

The problem with the graph is obvious to anyone who understands how an IQ score for a society is attained.

How IQ Test Results are Tabulated

First, all the scores are tabulated. The average score is then scaled to 100. Those who are a little below are scaled to scores in the 90-99 range. Those who are a little above in the final tabulation are scored 101-110. This extrapolates to the left all the way to (potentially) zero, and to the right to some score which differs for each test. Most IQ tests max out at some score. Often, the maximum is 140 or 145. Specialized IQ tests are used to measure scores up to 160. Above this, specialists are called in to assess individual persons.

However, by the very structure of the test, the scores are statistically distributed around the average score of 100. Just glancing at the distribution in the above graph, any statistician can see there is a problem. The distribution is not distributed with 68% within one standard deviation of 100, and not with 95% within 2 standard deviations.

If these results were correct, you would see most of the results around 100, and fewer at the extremes.

Compressing the data into these standard deviations would drastically truncate the small differences these researchers claim.

Countries on Left of Graph NOT Atheist

Of course, all of this ignores other important facts, e.g. Only 1% of Americans are atheists. How did such a small portion overwhelm the other 99% so much to raise the American IQ so far above IQ scores of other nations?

Additionally, note that most of the nations to the left have a history of Christianity, and many are still primarily Christian today. Most of those on the right side (e.g., Ethiopia, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt) are extremely religious, mostly regarding pagan pantheons and Allah. These nations on the left remarkably have little to no history with Christianity.

In short: the basis of atheist claims to superiority based on higher IQs over the religious is based on a biased work. It is not scientific at all. The data is not scaled. The data is not representative. The sampling of atheists is far too small. The conclusion is not supported by the data.

Are Ethiopians Mildly Retarded?
Second, a person with an IQ of just 70 is someone who can barely cope with living. People with IQs between 55 and 70 are technically considered "mildly retarded". Are we really expected to believe that continental Africans are this way? I don't. And here is the reason: In my personal experience, I have not found this at all. A major problem with book-smarts people is that they cannot actually do much of anything. If they ever manage it, it will take them years to learn to apply any of what they read in books. This is called "common sense". Common sense tells any person who took STAT 101 that this graph is seriously in error. Further, common sense tells us, "Ethiopians do not have an average IQ of 65."

Study Claiming Atheist Superiority Conducted by Racist

It took me less than 10 minutes to find that the study making these claims was conducted several decades ago by a pro-apartheid racist who carried a strong bias that blacks were of inferior intelligence. Further, the test he gave required knowledge of things particularly English, like the fact that tennis involves a net at mid-court. Would anyone be surprised to learn that most Africans had never seen or heard of tennis in the year the test was conducted- 1929?

Children with these IQs, in American schools, are placed in "special needs" classes. Do you remember those kids who rode "the little bus"? Use your common sense: Are all Central Africans, Senegalese, Haitians, Ethiopians and Sierra Leonans like the neighborhood kids who rode the little bus?

The answer is: No, they are not like them at all.

Conclusion: the "study" is completely flawed. It is so blatantly flawed no reasonable person can accept it. Only those who wear the glasses of bias will accept it, believe it, or promote it.

Every single atheist who claims atheists are smarter than Christians can trace their belief back to this one study. And, each person who makes this claim demonstrates their ability to be told what to believe, and to believe it without any scientific basis, without any personal experience, and without the benefit of common sense.

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Part of the Blame Belongs to Christian Parents

Matriculating students are 70% Christian entering college. Exiting, this number is typically halved, and falls to as low as 2% at Ivy League campuses.

Why are colleges able to simply teach faith out the children of Bible-believing Christians?

The answer is one most Christians will reject: It is because they are not actually Bible believing. Instead, they are man believing. Instead of believing what the Bible says, that the Holy Spirit will lead believers into all understanding, most Christians attend denominational churches that teach denominational doctrines. Most denominations teach that there is no more power- no prophecy to convince another person that God knows and that God speaks to His children; no visions to predict the future and strengthen the faith of believers, no power of the Holy Spirit to show the Kingdom of God and give sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf, health to the sick, and to even raise the dead.

I have seen all of these. That is why a professor cannot convince me otherwise. I do not have "blind" faith. When I first believed, yes, I believed just from hearing. However, as I grew under the careful guidance of my Father in Heaven, and the sanctification of the Holy Spirit, I saw more and more the faithfulness of the Word of God and it's unbreakable nature.

When parents are only followers of men, and their children do not study the Word, then they can easily be carried away by every new doctrine. This includes recent trends like atheism on campus, worshiping other humans, so-called Christian Wiccans, sex and homosexuality in the "church", even.

But, Jesus clearly said we are to care for others with honest love. And, we are to preach the gospel, cast out devils, cleanse the lepers, and heal the sick. Many times, preaching and healing were paired together in the directions Jesus gave us.

So, this failure of leaders, including parents, is why youth go to college and lose their teaching-only faith.


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What is the Correlatin between Atheism and Education?

What is your position on this?

  • No causality has been proven. The relationship is unknown.
  • Education proved that there is no sense in believing in God. And, I have clear scientific proof to reject belief in God.
  • The education system is a socialization program. Atheists believe there is no God because that program repeats this over and over. They have been molded by repetition and social pressure.
  • Atheists are more intelligent than Christians. Intelligent people are more likely to get educated, and more likely to reject God- because of their intelligence.
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Alternate Explanations for Correlation between Atheism and Education

When plausible theories outside the favorite or preferred theory exist, then that theory is not yet proven. Here are some alternate explanations to "Intelligent people get educations. Educated persons are prone to atheism. Therefore atheism is the more intelligent belief."

1. Education and atheism are more correctly correlated with income. Those from poor families cannot afford to apply to college. Many such families have no concept of how to apply, when to apply, or even that the college itself will finance the entire degree and even give money to help with rent. Such people also have time to go to church on Sunday. Their family owned business is not distracting them; they are not on call at the hospital, either. When someone is sick or injured, they cannot afford the emergency room. They pray. And, those who pray are the only ones who see results. The faith of people who have seen the Power of God, not just heard the "gospel of salvation", cannot easily be shaken in their faith.

Other people have lucrative careers and time-consuming jobs. They stopped reading their Bibles. When they fell ill, they trusted doctors and pharmaceuticals, not God. Their children grew up marking the Christian box on forms, but had no real relationship with a living God. Their understanding of God was mental, nothing more. Those children go to college and a new explanation is given. And, it comes over and over and over again. It is a contest between a light explanation given long ago and a heavy argument in the right now.

So, the poor continue to be the ones richest in God, and to work poor-paying jobs (generally speaking). The rich trend toward trusting education and science while excluding God or marginalizing Him.

Training God out of Youth is a Satanic Goal

The following video is going to alert you to a truth. Some of you will be shocked, others angry. But, the infiltration of the government by Satanists and Secret Societies is pervasive and almost total. It is possible that all the topmost positions of power and influence in America are held by a small group of the SSS (Secret Society Satanists.)

You can read all ten objectives here: Satanic plan of Alice Bailey

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Comments 75 comments

Dubuquedogtrainer profile image

Dubuquedogtrainer 4 years ago from Dubuque, Iowa

Yep - I agree. Voted up! There is not a positive correlation between intelligence and belief in God. this is a lie propagated by non-believers.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Yes, I will agree that "education CAUSES rejection of God". I will also agree that the inverse is true - Lack of education causes belief in religious nonsense."

By the way, atheists are NOT satanists. We don't believe in ANY gods, demi-gods, demons or other superstitious nonsense.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Unfortunately for atheists, God decides what is true, not men's opinions.

Atheism fits the definition of a religion, and of a cult. First, atheists evangelize- they tell others of their "faith" that there is no God.

Second, atheists read about atheism. The most popular anti-God, atheist writer is Richard Dawkins. His books are really attacks on Christianity, not science. However, he is heavily read and quoted by atheists.

I agree with you that lack of education causes belief in nonsensical beliefs relative to God and religion. Jesus said, "My people perish for lack of knowledge."

I do not consider sitting in a class room, believing every report published in a text as an education, however. More than 99% of all BA degree holders have NEVER seen the raw data on a study. However, they fully believe the conclusions presented to them as fact.

There is no scientific reasoning in that. An education instills more than just knowledge. An educated person has knowledge, the ability to locate and verify new knowledge, to create new knowledge, and to apply all of it in a productive way.

Most atheists cannot do that. Most degree holders cannot do that!


Austinstar profile image

Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

"Unfortunately for atheists, God decides what is true, not men's opinions."

Ironically, this is YOUR opinion. There are no facts to support this view.

Atheism was defined by the Supreme Court of the U.S.A as a "religion", but atheists do not have ANY formal 'cult' or 'church' or even a true coherent organization. They don't band together to 'pray' or organize any Inquisition to demand compliance with Richard Dawkins or any other outspoken atheist. Atheists are just people that find invisible gods and 2,000 year old books to be rather unbelievable. That's it, end of story.

I'm sorry you seem to have such a low opinion of atheists, but that is your right. Please allow atheists to have a different opinion and view of the universe.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

To be honest, as a scientist myself, I do have a very low opinion of atheists. In 1992, I enrolled in a college simply because the philosophy teacher there was reported to be the very best in California. His class was packed the first day. The homework was so heavy, he reduced the class to 30 after three sessions. It later fell to 20. It started with more than a hundred, standing all along the walls, and into the hallway. I scored the highest overall grade in his class, and the highest on the final.

I really appreciate logic and science. What atheists do with it is an abomination.

Here is an example of a very popular, irrational, atheist statement: "If there is a God who condemns people to Hell for rejecting Him, then I want nothing to do with such a hateful God."

Let's look at this. First, there are many reasons a Judge might condemn people. Hate is just one of those. Saying God is hateful for convicting people and condemning is a non sequitur.

Second, look at the atheist conclusion. The premise is, "There is an all powerful God." This means HE has power over life and death, and even the rise and fall of nations. Next premise: "Whoever rejects God is sent to Hell." Okay, so the decision of every reasonable person should be obvious, right? It should be, "I want to be in God's favor, and found innocent." Instead, the atheist says God is a hater and the atheist then rejects God.

Basically, the atheist says, "I prefer Hell over God."

Does that make any logical sense? Even when they assume it is a theoretical question, they still answer this way.


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

You do realize you have contradicted yourself pretty strongly - right? You start out be claiming there is no correlation between education and lack of belief in majik "While there are reports of studies which show there is a correlation of education to atheism, I have still never seen those studies."

Then you claim that getting an education does indeed correlate with a lack of belief in majik, "Matriculating students are 70% Christian entering college. Exiting, this number falls to as low as 2% at Ivy League campuses.

Why are colleges able to simply teach faith out the children of Bible-believing Christians?"

Interesting that you are so comfortable with outright lies as well - I thought your Invisible Super Daddy burned liars as well. Not so? LOLOL

Save me a seat by the fire.


writeronline 4 years ago

I doubt that you'll publish this comment, so let me make that my initial challenge to your article, and to your opinion.

My first question to you would be, "Does belief in God come from education?' And your answer would (have to) be, "Of course not. That's why it's called a belief, or a faith. As such it requires no proof."

So my second question would be, "Why is it that the choice to believe (and it IS a choice, that's why we humans have the power of thought) can be made on simple faith, and maintained in direct contradiction of the rational analysis of most of the alleged 'proof points' of the origin of Christianity; yet according to you, a choice to not believe is somehow conditional on being exposed to 'hidden influencers' embedded in our education system? By Satanists. lol

Much of your article is sweeping generalisation.

All of it (reinforced by your ridiculous comment above; "Basically, the atheist says, "I prefer Hell over God.") is flawed by the assumption that all atheists undertake some deep analysis of God's pro's and cons - then decide.

Many people, myself included, don't bother with that at all. We simply look at life rationally, and with no more thought than it takes a faith-based person to choose to believe in god, choose not to. Simple.

So, seriously, ask yourself, if you don't believe in god, why would you waste time worrying about hell? Or satanists? No god equals no other religious illusions.

I'm just disappointed that I don't seem to be able to treat articles like this one of yours with the same emotion that you display towards people who choose not to believe in your pretend friends. Contempt.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Mark,

I am sorry to read your comment. You exemplify the typical, emotional, illogical response atheists give. Should I point out how you create comments I did not make (straw man arguments)? I explained within the article why Christian youth are so easily lost. It is because Christians fail to obey Jesus; they don't show the power of the Kingdom of God in healing and casting out devils.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

writeronline:

1. My response is not as you assume. I have seen prophecies fulfilled, the deaf hear, and the dead raised. God has PROVEN his faithfulness and promises to me many times. Faith is only for something a person has not seen. Hundreds of millions of people on this earth have similar testimonies of miraculous response to prayers to God. How is it atheists always convince themselves that Christians are saying something they never said, and that they are lying about miracles? Meanwhile, they claim to themselves the superior logical position.

2. Your attribution of my statement to "all atheists" is a further distortion made to enable an easy refutation (another straw man fallacy). I said it is an "atheist statement". This means that SOME atheists make this statement.

3. The reason I address this issue is to make atheists think. Challenge is a responsible method of communication and information exchange in all arenas. I hope to set people free from the irrational beliefs that separate them from a loving Father in Heaven, and from forgiveness of sins, peace, and physical and emotional healing.

If you knew there was water enough for everyone in a well right nearby, and all around you were starving people who could not see it, wouldn't you tell them so they could live?


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

No - you contradicted yourself quite obviously. Sorry you did not understand - perhaps a decent education might help?

lol


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

LOL...That is exactly my point. I do not see any obvious contradiction. YOUR "education", which I call socialization when I'm polite and brainwashing when I'm being most truthful, caused you to see what is not there. You demonstrate a weakness to bias in your claims. Get an impartial Philosophy instructor in here to analyze both your statements and mine.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

MFM - you are consistently repeating the same old brainwashing statements that every religionist uses to defend their opinions and faith.

Education only makes intelligent people more so. It helps them actually use their brain instead of relying on "gods" or blaming "demons".

You have been brainwashed from birth and your thought processes are so ingrained with biblical nonsense that you have accepted these tenets as truths. This is unfortunate because in other ways you sound well educated and intelligent.

Seriously, if you went to college and the only book you had to learn from was over 2,000 years old, would you not question the accuracy of such a book? Would you want a surgeon to operate on you with only the knowledge of a book written back in the dark ages?

You may believe in faith healing, and I have seen these "miracles" too with my own eyes, but I know how powerful the immune system is and how possible it is to heal thyself. It doesn't come from GOD, it comes from nature.

Please don't start telling me that God created 'nature', because in your world, Satan was also created by God.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Austinstar,

Thank you for a serious response.

I question the accuracy of everything. I do not accept anything without some proof. I was born a catholic. This religion is actually Satanic at the top. I got free of it when I actually sat down and READ THE BIBLE. What is taught in churches diverges severely from scriptures.

I wonder what would happen for you, if you read it, too?

First, I want to share what the Holy Spirit said I ought to share while I prayed this morning.

Ask yourself, "What is in the Bible?" Atheists profess to know it when they say it is "just stories". Without looking, write down what you know about what is inside the Bible. Don't look. Challenge yourself. Do you really know what we are talking about here?

Second, please understand this: The fight of a Christian is NOT against atheists. It is against "powers and principalities". These are actual powers that can come against the mind. Think Harry Potter and a spell of confusion.

God created us to be inquisitive. When truth enters our minds, our mind will not release it until we resolve it. Sometimes, there was an error in a statement. Other times, a statement contains a truth your spirit is hungering for you to receive.

The immune system is powerful, yes. I do not see how a deaf family of three, all born congenitally blind, can all be healed by one Nigerian Christian in just 5 minutes at a church in Athens, Georgia. I witnessed that first hand.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Dear MFM, I have read the bible from beginning to end. I have also read the Quran and a few other 'holy' books.

Sure they have some good points, but truth? I think the truth is highly embellished. Perhaps some of it was accepted as truth during the historical period in which it was written. Perhaps Jesus performed faith healing and resurrected the 'dead'. Perhaps there are snippets of intelligence there. I'm quite sure eyewitnesses reported these things.

You know as well as I do that eyewitnesses are the most unreliable source in any investigation. People see what they want to see. The same "fact" is interpreted in different ways.

I have witnessed faith healing. Is the incident you saw medically verified? If so, I would like to see the attending physician's notes. I would like to interview the actual patients.

I have also witnessed faith killing. I have stood by while a mother and father allowed their baby to die a horrible death instead of consenting to an exchange transfusion. I personally could have saved that baby's life, but I was prevented from doing so.

Now, I am going to ask you to read a book. It's a good book and you will love it. It's called The Source and it is by James Mitchener. It is a novel, but like all of Michener's books, the facts are represented well. It is a historical study of all religions. I think it would clear up a few misconceptions for you.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

That sounds like an interesting book. I will consider looking into it.

The event I saw was incredible. The were some of the first people to receive prayer. At the time I went, 2002, I did not believe in healing at all (Catholic brainwashing). I was one of the last people to leave. Those three people were still dancing and shouting and crying for joy- because they could hear. The Nigerian stood behind them and whispered. Each of them, after a simple prayer, heard for the first time in their lives. They were saying, "Jesus!" It was a bit loud and fumbled, but they could speak and hear themselves and others as well. I never saw them after that night.

However, these people were completely deaf. The Nigerian man was a man of faith. The host church was dead, however.

The list of miracles I have seen in my life is enormous. I moved to Philadelphia in 1994, when I completed my Marine Corps service.

I had a poor-paying job at a deli, making $6 per hour. Tuition at U. Penn was 30K per year. One night, I got on my knees in my home to pray an earnest prayer. I asked God to pay my tuition.

The VERY NEXT DAY, I went to work at 7:30. The owner, Dave, was there. He explained to me that he could no longer run the store. His ISP business was taking off, and he needed to hand over the store. He said I was the only employee he truly thought could do the job. He asked if I wanted to buy the store. I explained I only had $500 saved.

"No problem," he said. I will give you the store. You build it up until you have cash flow to make payments, and then we will talk."

That store paid for ALL my tuition at UPenn. When I left in 1999, I did not owe one cent. It was all paid.

That is the amazing Father I have in Heaven.

Why would anyone not want to be a son or daughter of God?


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

SO - no contradictions here:

"While there are reports of studies which show there is a correlation of education to atheism, I have still never seen those studies."

Then you claim that getting an education does indeed correlate with a lack of belief in majik, "Matriculating students are 70% Christian entering college. Exiting, this number falls to as low as 2% at Ivy League campuses.

Why are colleges able to simply teach faith out the children of Bible-believing Christians?"

It is easy to teach faith in majik out of people once you teach them to think.

lol


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

You mean I could have just prayed to God to pay my tuition instead of working 32 hour shifts at the hospital on the weekends? Whoa, sweet. If I had a god like that, I'd want to hang on to him too :-)


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Mark,

I believe that a name is no accident, and gives meaning. "Jesus", for example, means "God is salvation".

Your name is knowledge, without the edge. Did you really miss that? Perhaps in your rush to attack what you cannot tolerate, you have failed to actually listen to what I am saying.

While I have not seen the study which says that atheists have higher education (it may not be true). I HAVE seen a study which showed that only 2% of students graduating from Ivy League schools claim faith in Christ.

Also, I am talking about an all powerful God. Your pretense in listing an alternate subject shows your cowardice. Why do you fear speaking about God?


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Austinstar: It was a lot of work!


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

Ummm - that is not what "Jesus" means, nor does my name mean that either.

I don't fear anything about your invisible super being because it doesn't exist.

I listened to what you are saying - it is contradictory nonsense and lies.

How brave of you to call me a coward. LOLOL No wonder your religion causes so many conflicts.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Mark,

It is not just name calling. I mean exactly what I say. Think about it. Why are you so afraid to approach what I am saying, but instead must denigrate it? Should any true intellectual respect your approach to debate?


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Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

Ha! I watched Oral Roberts heal crippled and sick folks every Sunday morning as a child. All fake, of course! And you admitted you never heard from those "blind and deaf" family members again. You should be able to find such folks as medical science would surely have reported on such an event. Get real!!

SSSSS


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

I am not afraid so please stop calling me a coward. Think about what? That education teaches people to think for themselves and they tend to stop believing in religious nonsense once they are properly educated? I already know that. Education is the death knell of superstitious religious drivel. Than goodness.

You are the one denigrating.

This is why your religion causes so many conflicts.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Randy,

My personal witness is one of hundreds of millions of such testimonies all through the world. To reiterate: The fact they could hear does not require a man who went to a specific kind of school to verify (a doctor). It only requires someone to speak behind them and see if they can repeat what is said. That is all.

A German named Reinhard Bonnke has hundreds of doctor-verified accounts of HIV positive people being healed at his meetings. He only lists those who were first tested and confirmed by professional medical staff, and were also tested and confirmed HIV free afterward.

I myself prayed for my sister-in-law to regrow her pancreas and spleen, which had been partially removed and totally removed along with a tumor 6 years previous. She had a scan which showed them regrowing. Her doctor was stunned. He said, "some people are born with two." He could not explain how they could regrow.

In the military, the Holy Spirit would show me exactly where to find the enemy, and they would be there. We once encountered a certain high-profile item (you will never read about this in the paper). The Holy Spirit told me to share this information, revealed to me in a dream, with a certain team leader. That day, that team leader encountered this item in a high-level operation which even involved the embassy.

I personally- just me -have hundreds of testimonies like these.

The Holy Spirit is real. Healing is real. Casting out devils to precede healing is real. Demons are real. Satan is real. Jesus lives; He is in Heaven right now- and He loves YOU!

Hundreds of millions of people have seen miracles, heard God, and received otherwise-unknowable information from the Holy Spirit (others from unholy spirits, e.g. psychics).

Proof is all around you. Everywhere.


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Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

Funny, with so many millions of healing practices taking place, you don't link a single one with scientific proof behind it. But feel free to do so as your word it happens is simply that.

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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

In science, if one person reports a procedure to produce certain results, and other scientists, who apply the principles correctly, can repeat those results, it is called a fact.

Here is the procedure: Any person hears the testimony of salvation through Jesus Christ, and forgiveness of all wrongdoing for the purpose of being found innocent on Judgment Day. 2- the person also forgives everyone else their wrongdoing against said person. 3- the person, recognizing they now have a spiritual Father in Heaven, ask their Father to supply their needs.

Result: If those prayers are not about receiving things contrary to God, they are answered. For example, healing from breast cancer, freedom from epilepsy, and salvation for a loved one are legitimate prayers. A million dollars to live a party life is not a thing God grants.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Isn't it just like the UFO stories? Just about everyone claims to have seen one or knows someone who has seen one, yet not one clearly defined photograph or piece of wreckage has ever been seen?

I will tell you I have seen medical proof of 'virgin' births - The hymen is still intact, but the girl got pregnant anyway. (The hymen does not SEAL the vagina) This is actually a big joke among medical professionals.

I will also tell you that NO ONE has been cured of AIDS to date. This would make huge headlines in the medical circles.

Just remember, MFM, what you see, even with your own eyes, is not always the truth. But I know what your answer will be - one must have "faith". One does not need "intelligence or knowledge".


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Austinstar:

The Mexican Air Force has now officially acknowledged UFOs. They have held official press conferences and shown footage. Here is a link to one article on this: http://www.rense.com/general52/deff.htm

Here is a video of Buzz Aldrin recounting an encounter with a UFO in space. Several NASA crews have seen them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI

UFOs are reported coming from all the places reported to be home to demons: from under the ocean, from "the heavens" (=space?), and from under the earth. UFOs have been reported coming from underwater, emerging from volcanoes, and entering and leaving the atmosphere and space.

The Holy Spirit has shown me that these "aliens" will come in a time of trouble (i don't know what that will be). They will claim to be our allies, but will betray us. They will even take some aboard their ships- and kill them all.

Satan is called "the father of lies". The billion year-old earth concept is a lie. Charles Lyell made it up, and confessed he did so in his private journal- because he hated Christians. Darwin was Lyell's student and took Lyell's writings with him aboard the HMS Beagle.

Much of what is believed today about reality is a lie.

For Mark: Note the first syllable in Lyell's name.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Looks like I opened up worms instead of a can of whoopass.

Sorry folks.

Satan and Satin are only one letter apart. How do you explain that one?


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Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

Okay. I see you are not going to back up the "millions" of miracles with anything concrete, so sorry, ain't buying into your "faith miracles." And by the way, other scientists with better labs and dating processes have determined the earth is indeed many millions of years old. Where in the heck did you learn your science, and who taught you, Jesus? LOL!

Austinstar is correct about the AIDS cure not being real. Do you actually believe all of the best scientists in the world are in cahoots just to disprove your god? LOL!

Why would all of those brilliant people try to deny the truth if they believed it were real? Wouldn't they then believe in it instead of trying to deny it? This makes about as much sense as your hub does!

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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Satin and Satan are one to think about. But, the one you really need to observe is this one:

SANTA ... SATAN


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Randy,

I am one person who has seen first-hand dozens of amazing miracles.

Do you propose I type out two million miracles here on this hub? Let me tell you what would happen. Those who simply reject God because their minds are blocked by a demonic spirit, or who choose to reject God of their own free will (in order to live by the flesh, doing whatever they want)will simply call it ALL a bunch of lies. They will "prove it", then they will say, "that's not proof".

Do you know they have found Egyptian chariot wheels on the bottom of the Red Sea at the place where Moses and the Hebrews crossed when God parted the waters?

Do you know what the atheist response to this is? They say, "Aw, those are just the ship's wheel from steamboats that sunk." Seriously. That is what they say.

Jesus said to his close followers, "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"

And, when Jesus was raised from the dead by God in Heaven, many STILL rejected Jesus. They say it didn't happen. If they believe, they won't think about it; they ignore it.

God raised Jesus from the dead for a reason. God has now shown that He has power over death and the grave. Jesus is the first fruit of God's salvation promise. All who accept Jesus as God's promise for forgiveness and salvation will receive it. Those who reject Jesus will not receive it, and will receive their just punishment for their wrongdoings instead.

Better to be forgiven!


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Randy,

Exactly how did those men gather their data? How was it measured? What equipment did they use? How many of those machines are there? Who owns them? Once the raw data comes out of the machine, what equations are used to translate the data into a year? Are they ever any conflicts in the process? What is the margin of error?

If you reference carbon dating, you are in for some ugly surprises when you look into this. First, you are going to find that some of these answers are amazingly difficult to track down.


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Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

Millions of miracles ans you still refuse to list any links to proven ones. You guys are all alike. Don't have any proof of anything and don't accept proven facts. LOL!

Not too big on answering questions, are you? If you claim to be a scientist then you already know carbon dating isn't the only criteria used for dating things.

But no matter, you are not worth wasting my time on anymore.

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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Randy,

I am not responsible for YOU finding the truth. You are. I am only supposed to tell you. So, don't worry. You have not offended me.

If you really wanted to know, after all, you would be out finding these testimonies yourself.

Carbon dating isn't the only criteria, eh? Tell me then, what is everything else calibrated to?

What is carbon dating calibrated to?

To any atheist reading this: They are telling you things are dated to this millennium and that century. How do you KNOW they are telling you the truth? Have you examined all the premises and conclusions? The equations? The equipment? The MEN making these claims?

Are you certain enough to gamble your eternal soul on what MEN YOU DO NOT TRULY KNOW TELL YOU IS THE TRUTH?

Or, do you think that such high stakes warrant a personal investigation?


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Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

What high stakes? How do you know they're aren't thousands or millions of gods out there? In which case, the odds would be 1000 to 1,00,000 to 1 against you at the very least! LOL!

What motive would the worlds very best scientists have for faking the real age of objects? Answer this one if you can, dude!

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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

The first person to go on record with "millions and billions of years" was Charles Lyell. He introduced a geological theory called "Stratigraphy". Today, this has been proven completely false. Lyell said there are 12 layers in the crust of the earth. Each layer held particular qualities, and formed during a specific time period. He called them "Jurassic", "Pliocene", and similar names.

Today, stratigraphy is completely disproved. Tens of thousands of oil drill cores all over the world have shown these layers do not occur in the order Lyell claimed. Only four of these layers have ever been found together, and they were completely inverted from what Lyell predicted. Nevertheless, it is still taught in a few hold-out universities and colleges, even today.

Many theories still in use today were calibrated on the time column presented by Lyell.

In fact, I have seen dictionaries which define anthropology as the art of dating artifacts according to the date of the soil in which they are found; meanwhile, geology is the art of dating soil according to the age of the artifacts found within them.

Seem circular? It is.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

There is no motive for faking the age of rocks or earth stratum. There are all kinds of methods for doing so. some are accurate, some are not.

Geology.com (http://geology.com/articles/age-of-the-grand-canyo... helps to explain the ways and means of dating earth strata. Much knowledge has been gained from the Grand Canyon and the East African Rift as well as core samples.

Measuring Earth age is a science and a consensus has been reached. There are only minor variations on the age of the Earth in total and the average agreed upon age is about 4.5 billion years.

A good mud engineer can analyze core drillings and come up with some very accurate dating. They use more than one kind of measuring system, radiographic, chemical analysis, element decay times, etc.

And sure, it's like a man with two watches who is never completely certain what time it is - that is, unless the two watches agree.

And a man with a broken watch only knows what time it is twice a day. But those two times are reasonably accurate.

We assign arbitrary methods to measure things. But the things themselves are what they are.


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Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

You ignored my last question, dude. What's wrong, afraid to answer? LOL! I don't blame you, as there is no way such a conspiracy could ever be kept secret with so many scientists around the world already knowing the dating methods are correct. Where in the heck do you get your "knowledge" from? TV evangelists? LOL!

What a joke!

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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Austinstar: a man with a broken watch is 'precise' twice a day. But, his watch is not 'accurate' at all.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Randy,

I did not take your questions seriously. Sincerely, I believed them to be rhetorical.

Q1: What high stakes? A1:Your eternal spirit. It will spend eternity either with God in love and Heaven, or without God, in Hell.

Q2: How many gods are there? A2: I do not know. The "gods" of Greece & Rome are actually demons. They comprise "one-third" of the angels in Heaven, who followed Satan and rebelled against God. There is only ONE true God.

Q3: What motivation would scientists have for faking the real age of objects? A3: Their jobs, fame, money, female grad students, public recognition, publication in famous journals, and much more.

If you sincerely want to know the answer to #3, then I suggest you see a documentary titled "Expelled: no intelligence allowed" by Ben Stein.

You will find there is a massive "invisible hand" that shuts down anyone who questions Darwinism or a billions of years old earth theory.

"Lucy" for example, is actually not ONE fossil, found in one location. Lucy is assembled from parts found over an area of a mile and half, and some parts were found at different depths. Read this article, not especially the paragraph starting with "But, hold on..."

http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0714_Lucy_fa...


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Randy,

After Donald Johanson produced his "Lucy" report, he has been well taken care of. Who pays him? He now runs the "Institute of Human Origins". The IHO is funded by the Smithsonian. The Smithsonian Institutes (almost all of the major U.S. museums) are owned by the Rockefeller family.

The Rockefellers are one of what are called the "original 13 bloodlines", supposedly descended directly from Nephilim, the offspring of demons and women.

That is why the museum would pressure Johanson to "find" something. Johanson was at the end of a three-year grant when he made his claim. He was being called, warned he would receive no more grants if he found nothing.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

MFM, You are making some outrageous statements. To what end? Are you trying to convince yourself that God speaks to you?

"You will find there is a massive "invisible hand" that shuts down anyone who questions Darwinism or a billions of years old earth theory."

I don't find that at all and neither does any other educated person. There is no "invisible hand".

The Greek Gods were demons? (not true) The Rockefeller Foundation which supports the Smithsonian, is owned by the Rockefellers? (not true).

Where do you come up with these weird assumptions?


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

My "assumptions" are fact. I do not expect someone who has believed the world is as they have been told their entire lives to just hear me and suddenly believe it is different.

You SHOULD challenge me. Also, challenge anything you have not seen for yourself.

Most atheists believe there is no God, and that the entire concept is a laugh simply because that is what they were born into: a culture dominated by Satanic elements which carefully control media, text book publications, and the report of anthropological history.

All this is to present a false view of history and current events.

btw... What degree did Charles Darwin possess? What about Charles Lyell?


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

The Smithsonian, like many of the works of secret-agenda groups, is paid for by tax dollars. Why is it important who is paying? What is important is who has control, and makes the major decisions.

The Rockefellers are intimately intertwined with the Smithsonian. They fund grants for "fellows", who work at the Smithsonian, and (most likely) become a significant portion of those who later work there. The Rockefellers decide who receives those grants. Hence, major influence.


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Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

So you are saying people actually know there is a god, and then, try to fake there being one by giving false test results on the ages of fossils and rocks? And all of the thousands of scientists can keep this hidden from the world knowing they will go to hell for doing so?

Dude, you need to get out more. Just what cult do you belong to? I'd guess perhaps Holiness Baptist or some other such out there group. You probably believe there were dinosaurs on the ark too, right? LOL!You are hilarious!

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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Yes, they know there is God. But, they believe God can be beaten. Satan thought so, and rebelled. He lost, and was cast down to earth. But, Satan lies to his followers and tells them he won his rebellion, and acquired the earth.

Can you find what it says on page 7 of "Rules for Radicals", the book Barack Obama taught from for 3 years?

Here it is:

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer

Hillary Clinton wrote her thesis on Alinsky, btw.

Satanists have great power in the U.S. and in the world. Check out Bohemian Grove, The "Illuminated Masters of Zion", and Skull & Bones.

Have you seen the Matrix? It's time to decide if you want to take the red pill or the blue pill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6qG4yn-Ps


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Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

And you need to check out "Alice in Wonderland" since you are into factual information. LOL!

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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

God is not offended, Randy. He knows you have simply not understood the truth. But, God still loves you. I know this because we are told, "God loved you when you were yet sinners." And, Jesus died for sinners, not perfect people. There are ZERO perfect people.

If you will call on Jesus with an honest heart, in truth, you will find a different life.


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Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

"We" are not told this at all, MFM. Just those who refuse to see reality imagine this is the case. My god Moe has a better plan for mankind, with no hell to worry about or a requirement to judge others as being wrong just because they do not think like him.

And offending your god is something I could care less about if he chose you to represent him. I certainly do not use you as a representative of how I wish to be or think. In fact, just the opposite is true.

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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

I understand this is your current position. However, I am looking out for your future. I have seen many instances of people who later broke through their conditioning and found the truth. Then, the devil got into their head and told them they could never be forgiven because they mocked God, or carved 666 into their skin, or "blasphemed the Holy Spirit" or any of a long list of infractions.

The truth is, God "winks at" the misdeeds of those who have no real understanding. My Father in Heaven is both loving and forgiving.

Your spirit knows the truth. I expect you are going to continue to find yourself involved in conversations about God, redemption, salvation, and Jesus.

I have a feeling you are a different person than you think you are- a better person. As long as you live who are not, you will not be comfortable.


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Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

And I have a feeling you are so frightened of dying you are ready to believe anything, MFM. I, on the other hand, are pleased with my life and don't feel the need to try and make others believe the same things I do. And certainly, I do not wish to convince others to risk their soul on my idea of a god. Apparently, you have no problem judging others and putting yourself in the position of deciding they are wrong in their beliefs. I don't know about your education, but I doubt it is very deep in the realm of the sciences. Not many believers who deign to speak for a god are very astute in the knowledge department from my experience conversing with them.

And yes, I will continue to resist ignorance from those who try and force their beliefs upon others. The Jim Jones incident taught me to fight this type of religion as hard as I can. I'd wager the parents and family of those going to Guyana wished they had tried harder to save their loved ones from such foolishness. It is my duty to prevent such from happening again if I can.

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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Randy,

I am an engineer. I have degrees in engineering, psychology, and business. I am a member of MENSA.

A constant effort to disqualify a statement occurs primarily in just two situations: 1. It is your own theory, and you want to ensure it withstands the rigors of scientific examination. Or, 2. Emotional bias.

About Jim Jones and major cult murders. Do you know that it is very common for the leaders to never be found, and for the bodies to be arranged in star shapes and other Satanic symbols? Here is a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okkr_Td9FTE

The reason you and others cannot see the obvious war between Satanists and Christians is because you have mental blocks. You have been front-loaded to misinterpret the information. Most times, they come on the controlled media and tell you, "This is what it is." Then, when you hear about it elsewhere, you think you already know. But, you are deceived. The devil is called "The Father of Lies" for good reason.


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Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

Sorry MFM, but some of the smartest--in terms of degrees--folks I know have the least common sense. I've no doubt we are told many things by our government which aren't true, but I cannot fathom the entire world of science being able to keep such secrets as you have suggested is happening.

Being no slouch myself as far as education is concerned, I do much of my own research and don't rely only on others for my information about archeological facts and those related to biblical events. We'll just have to disagree on this one.

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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

You work so hard to disqualify me, ME. Meanwhile, there are hundreds of millions of Christians on the planet.

The Bible, btw, is THE most vetted, most challenged & proven thing in all of archeology, anthropology, and history.

So, failing to disqualify me via education, you now attack my "common sense"? Hmmmm... I install my own electrical. I once built a trebuchet. I ran a 3 hour marathon once. I captained my college cross country team. From my Marine Corps and Army experience, I have a box of medals for my can-do and accomplishment.

Just look at the facts. Focusing on the qualifications or fame of the "authority" is a logical fallacy, "appeal to authority" has a step-sister, which is attempting to disqualify by some insufficiency.

You need to just focus on the facts: hundreds of millions of people all over the world pray to their Heavenly Father, and are answered. It has always been this way.

SEVEN DAY WAR

In modern times, Israel fought a war with her neighbors. Though it completely looked like Israel would be overrun, by a miracle, a fog rolled in and stopped the Egyptian advance. In the morning, the fog lifted, and the enemy was gone! They fled in the night. They heard a noise, became afraid, and ran off.

The same method of victory is recorded several times in the "Bible", which is a collection of vetted, historical documents, testimonies from the men who lived with Jesus for three years, and letters from the 12 apostles to established communities of believers.


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Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

Where did you find the "vetting" for the bible being a historical document or for the "testimonies of the men who lived with Jesus?" Heck, there is nothing other than the old novel to indicate there was ever a man you now call Jesus who existed.

A fog can help in a battle, but the US furnishing Israel superior weapons helped more than fog ever could. If they had to fight with weapons they had produced themselves they would have gotten their butts kicked right off the bat.

Attributing god to natural events is common in all beliefs and always has been. If a loss occurs it is "god's will. If a victory, then the same reaction is common.

But anyway, I'd appreciate a link to the documents backing up the bible's authenticity. I don't expect it though.

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Ricksen Winardhi 4 years ago from Singapore

Hi Man from Modesto,

thanks for sharing this apparent correlation between the atheism and education. I completely agree on your view that there is a socialization of atheism in the curriculum regardless of the truth. Some of the false statements or implications that are commonly taught in school as I can remember are the Miller experiment, Darwin's tree of life, Haeckel's embryos, and the Archaeopteryx as the missing link. The analysis of those findings tend to bias towards evolution, although it is commonly known that Haeckel's embryos are actually fabricated (it is known as Haeckel's sin). Education system should be more neutral and refrain from taking a stance on such a matter.

Secondly, I also think that scholastic pride may be another cause leading to atheism. A college graduate may have a sense of achievement in education and feel that he or she can explain everything, including the supernatural realm. The pride and desire to be able to explain everything through scientific methods will lead to atheism, not because it is not right to learn, but because supernatural realm cannot be completely explained by natural methods. This sense of "I am in control of this world, I can explain everything" are causing the young people to fall in pride and hence atheism.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Ricksen,

Thank you for an excellent post that develops the topic. In addition to Haeckel's fabrication of the embryo drawings which caused it to appear that the embryos of all species are very near identical in early stages, here are some other hoaxes that are still printed in text books:

Piltdown Man as a missing link

Lucy as an early type of man

Stratigraphy

carbon dating (there are only a few dozen machines in existence. Only the very rich can afford them. The machines print out an answer... there is no data output scientists use to calculate an age.)

every single "missing link" find has been proven a fraud as well.

There is a lot that are lies in the text books.

I was in the Marines in 1989 when the Berlin wall came down and the USSR dissolved itself. Shortly after that, I sat in on a conversation about some intel from Moscow. A fight broke out in the legislative body between the older members and the younger ones. One of the elders moved to change the history books to show that Yugoslavia, Hungary, Czechoslovakia (now Czech Republic) and other vassal states had really been overrun and forced to communism by Russia. The young men grew up reading the "popular uprising" story, and completely believed it.

When people have believed a lie, and the truth confronts them, they often respond with anger.

Basically, there remain a lot of lies out there, in print, taught in school.

Thanks again.


Jim from Bob 4 years ago

What a joke. Why are you all wasting your time talking with this person? He obviously isn't very bright; he can't even understand his own contradictions, nor can he understand the quite simple points people are making. This level of critical thinking is something we expect elementary school pupils to understand. Either MfM is naturally retarded or he is willfully ignorant, either way he is a lost cause. Fortunately, in the western world, it is very difficult to find people in a position of power as dumb as he is.

The truth is, levels of education are rising and with it is non religiosity.

Just looking through his posts, he looks like the sort of person who would have been an avid flat earth supporter, fighting to have anyone who believes in science burnt at the stake. He just can't face the facts.

The bible is absolutely full of contradictions and bullshit. Just look them up.

Let me help you, here are a few:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/...

I mean come on. It's embarrassing.

Also can I just ask you a simple question MfM?

If god is omnipotent, then can he create a rock so heavy that he can not lift it?


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Jim from Bob:

Yes, God can create a rock so heavy, he cannot lift it. The reason God asks this question is so that the answerer can understand the importance and power of salvation in Jesus Christ. The "rock" is Jesus/faith in the Word of God. Jesus IS the Word of God.

God never breaks his word. Therefore, because God promises salvation for those who repent and accept his plan for forgiveness- Jesus. So, God created Jesus (the rock) and God cannot break (lift) that promise.

Now, as far as my intelligence is concerned:

IQ: 160+ (the tests don't really measure above 160)

Philosophy: I moved and enrolled in a school purported to have the best Philosophy of Logic professor in the state. I scored the highest grade on the final, and the highest overall score in the class.

I have three degrees. I am a state-certified civil engineer.

I am a member of MENSA.

But, what is intelligence? We know it is not a good predictor of success in life. Instead, emotional control has been found to predict financial success. Those who learn to master their emotions succeed above those who fail to do so.

Now, ask yourself, what is the validity of your argument? Is it in the personal attack you allowed yourself to deploy:

retarded

dumb

ignorant

lost cause

Or, is it your acceptance of this logical fallacy:

With increase in education, religious beliefs also decrease.

You paraphrased this widely dispersed fallacy as "levels of education are rising and with it is non religiosity". Ignoring the brutish grammar, let's examine the point of this argument in the broader field of the discussion between atheists and Christians.

Premises:

1. Education levels are increasing

2. Non-religiosity is increasing

3. (Implied by cultural context) Educated persons are superior, and therefore being non-religious (= rejecting God, in the atheist usage) is also superior.

Now, let us use some logic. The two observations are only correlated. No causality is established. So, what is the cause? The answer, which is true, is this:

Satanists own and control most of the text book publishing houses. They have intentionally promoted Darwin and other arguments which counter God, the Bible, and Christians. Business text books teach that controlling schools is important. They call them tools of socialization. The other tools are television, radio, and print publications.

Look for my article: Classical Conditioning in Movies: Mind Control

I answered your simple question. Now, answer mine:

If a man died, went to Hell, and rose from the grave after being buried, and that man said Hell is real, demons are real, Satan is real, God is real, and eternal life is real, would you believe him?


Jim from Bob 4 years ago

Don't kid yourself. Nobody believes you're a member of MENSA and nobody believes you have an IQ of over 110. You have 3 degrees? I doubt that. But if you do I bet they're from the shit local state run polytechnic. A state certified civil engineer? That can mean whatever you want it to mean, I bet you operate a crane or something for a living.

And you did a good job of avoiding my question.

I would be careful if I were you. Satanists are everywhere. Don't get onto any planes, they were developed by intelligent people who went to the top schools where thousands of satanist books were also present. Doctors must also be avoided. Most doctors have had to read the workings of Charles Darwin. For heaven sake, all the work the doctors do is a result of findings from biologists who no doubt believe in evolution. Satan is EVIL. He has influenced the thousands of people who have worked hard over the years to transform the world into the modern society we live in today.

If you wan't a pure and religious life, I suggest you go and live somewhere in the Middle East.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Honestly, I laughed very hard reading your post. If it is a joke, let me know. You played the stereotypical atheist very well: Simple, outright rejection of facts, personal attacks, and no facts.

For example: How does evolution theory help doctors remove an appendix or set a broken femur?

Also, for the edification of everyone else, which two words form the contraction "wan't" ?

What you really need to know, Jim from Bob, is that God loves you. In the moment you realize you need God, he is going to be there, waiting for you with open arms.

I told you the truth about my IQ and education. The fact is, it does not matter with God. Salvation is for each and every person who believes and asks to be forgiven.


Jim from Bob 4 years ago

For example: How does evolution theory help doctors remove an appendix or set a broken femur?

Oh I don't know. Maybe because they need to understand evolutionary biology. It is the foundation of all biology. It is through it that we can understand genetics, how traits developed, the faulty wirings of the human body (such as the eye), and pretty much anything else of biology.

You have to face the fact that 80% of doctors believe extensively in evolution.

Honestly, I laughed very hard reading your post. If it is a joke, let me know. You played the stereotypical atheist very well: Simple, outright rejection of facts, personal attacks, and no facts.

What facts? The ones you invented? Look at religiosity against average IQ per country graphs. Look at average IQ and religiosity statistics per capita. They all point to one thing. But you don't believe those results do you? They were created by a group of elitist Satanists weren't they?

Can I ask. How much of a creationist are you? Do you believe the world was made 6000 years ago?

And, yes, you did lie about your IQ and education. You're not fooling anyone. And trust me, internet IQ tests don't count.

What a joke.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

JfB: It is becoming evident you have not even read my article, or else have very low reading comprehension. Evolution theory (THEORY) does not help set a bone or remove an appendix.

We do not understand genetics through evolutionary theory, either. Mendeleev used experimental procedure- real science and logic -to set the basis for genetics. Modern genetics is also based on a few scientific breakthroughs- lab procedures and experimentation and hard work.

Darwin, before DNA was understood, theorized that the mutations he observed resulted from genetic mutations, and thereby created stronger types. Today, we know this is exactly wrong. Mutations kill individuals. When they propagate into later generations, those generations are weaker, and die off. Too many mutations create offspring incapable of maturing, too weak to grow or eve live, and which cannot reproduce.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

When the controversial "Bell Curve" book came out in the late 90's, I theorized a reason that people of Jewish descent performed most poorly. Simple: the writers of the test were Jewish. Being from the West Coast, I regularly experienced confusion from my East Coast, Jewish professors. However, in the one course taught by a Californian grad student, I often found myself explaining the material to my classmates.

Later, the report was critiqued for exactly this reason: the exam's results were a measure of communication, not of the intelligence of races.

Now, look at your exam results claiming atheists are smarter. A few points' difference were found. How? Have you seen the data? Do you think education helps people to be more relaxed and perform better on exams, including IQ exams? I do.

What about general health? Does general health affect brain growth and cognitive ability? It does.

In the studies offered as proof of your claims, the developed nations (the ones with massive media outlets) are the ones with the highest levels of atheists.

IQ is accurate to predict only one thing: IQ. It has completely failed as a predictor of success in life. Instead, EQ, emotional intelligence has proven the greater predictor of success.

Basically, those who can handle a challenge and keep their cool succeed superior to those who react emotionally to conflict, including cognitive dissonance.

So, if we assume atheists have higher IQs, 2 points, the next question to ask is this: So what?

Additionally, IQ scores rise, internationally, with each generation. Year after year, the trend is up, up, up. In studies comparing IQs between nations, the developed nations and their high percentages of atheists have more recent IQ tests. Was this corrected? In some studies, later analysts found that once corrections were made for the effect of using different IQ exams and the decades in which those study data were taken, conclusions were vastly different.

Another challenge to your IQ:atheist=better claims-- the typical IQ test does not even measure rational decision making. That crushes the claim of atheists that they are rationally superior (& ultimately superior as well) because two studies have claimed a correlation between IQ and atheism.


Jim from Bob 4 years ago

Ok. I'm now going to stop replying to you. Clearly you just want to believe whatever you want to believe. Atheists don't have an average of 2 more IQ points. It's more like 6 or 7. IQ does rise with every generation. And guess what else does? Non religiosity.

You can argue against it and say: No, the ratio has always been the same, it's just that more atheists are now speaking out. But that's not true, because the number of people declaring themselves very religious is also dropping.

Europe was the home of Christianity for a very long time. Look at it now, people are moving on.

You wrote:

'That crushes the claim of atheists that they are rationally superior (& ultimately superior as well) because two studies have claimed a correlation between IQ and atheism.'

Err no I never claimed that. There are many smart religious people. People who think in a more reflexive manner are less likely to be very religious. And most scientists do think in a reflexive manner. That's what science is about. Also most religious people have just never properly questioned the religion. You probably haven't either. Why is god said to be so merciful when he slaughters without a single care in the old testament. Why is it that when referring to abortion

You also wrote:

Darwin, before DNA was understood, theorized that the mutations he observed resulted from genetic mutations, and thereby created stronger types. Today, we know this is exactly wrong. Mutations kill individuals. When they propagate into later generations, those generations are weaker, and die off. Too many mutations create offspring incapable of maturing, too weak to grow or eve live, and which cannot reproduce.

You're an idiot. Go and learn your facts and stop making things up. You don't understand what mutations are.

This will be the last reply. I can't be bothered to continue replying.


Jim from Bob 4 years ago

I'll continues from 'Why is it that when referring to abortion' because i accidentally pressed on the post comment.

Why is that when referring to abortion, people state the claim that god created life, so only god has the right to take it away. God has a plan for everyone. Oh really, so he had a plan for Hitler too?

God is omni-benevolent. So why does he let Satan affect us?

Why does he punish people with infinite torment for a finite crime? Because he is morally correct and we are morally corrupt? Great, so why doesn't he fix us.

Why did god put the apple in the garden of eden? So that it could tempt eve? Oh it's not his fault. But yes it is. He's omni benevolent, so he would have known that would have happened.

God created us, so why did he make us so flawed? Why has he let disease ravage the earth.

Why did he have to die on the cross? He's god for goodness sake,he can forgive us without having to put on some spectacle.

Why does he want us to worship him? He created us to worship him? Looks like he has a rather big ego.

Why doesn't he show himself properly? To stop all the non believers from talking rubbish? Surely the oh so powerful would understand that there is compelling evidence against him. Why did he create the earth in such a way that land masses look like they have been parted over millions of years. And why did he add similar fossils to either side to strengthen that theory?

Why did he design such a massive universe if we are the only inhabitants?

Why did he tell us we were at the center of the universe when we clearly are not?

A story of the Vietnam tells of how an RPG barely misses a guy but kills the other. Then the nephew would say 'I am grateful for god saved my uncle' . Really? So why did god save your uncle but not the other poor soldier?

Why is man punished and forced to live a harder life just because Eve bit the apple? Eve is not my representative. I am me and only myself. God said so himself. I am unique. So why the hell should I pay for what they did.

Why did Jesus only walk one corner of the earth? How can god punish non believers when Jesus failed to preach to everyone. Surely god would realize that there are some remote regions in the world that would have never heard about his preachings?

I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on all day everyday. You get the idea. I bet you have not once in your life sat down and thought for just a second.

Look how many non believers of the christian faith there are. Only 20% of all humans are christian. Why doesn't he show himself and make miracles to make everyone believe? It's cruel to expect us to have blind faith when I can list all these tings above. Surely a good loving god would realize that?


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Would you really like me to answer your questions? If you are serious, I will. However, before I invest the time, I want to know that your point in asking is not just an attempt to make an argument via personal attack (on God).

I will start by saying this: Not just God and Christians are acting in the world. There are also Satan and Satan worshipers. They are everywhere. Ever heard of the Illuminati? They are Satanists. They are also called the NWO, the Bilderbergers, Bohemian Grove, and other things. Those are the people who alter Bible versions and promote evolution and promote many of the questions you have just asked.

For example, "blind faith" is not something God has ever asked. Some promises God gives us require faith because they happen after our lifetimes.

However, faith in God is NOT blind. Jesus told his followers to do three things: 1. Go into the all the world and preach the message of forgiveness (aka salvation); 2. Cast out devils; and, 3. Heal the sick.

Satanists control major false-Christian organizations like the Roman Catholic Church, the New Apostolic Reformation, and the World Council of Churches (controls tens of thousands of American churches, including the Methodists).

THEY are the ones who say people need pure, blind faith. They also teach that Jesus never said he is the Son of God. Both are lies.

I will answer your questions. But, first, I want to know that you are seriously asking.


Jim from Bob 4 years ago

Go on then. Answer them. A set of good answers will swing my faith towards Christianity.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Again, are you serious? Your answer does not seem sincere.

What do you think of my answers to the 'rock too heavy to lift' and 'blind faith' questions?


Jim from Bob 4 years ago

Yes I am genuinely serious.


Steve 3 years ago

I had to stop reading when you said, "I believe there is an inverse relationship to intelligence and education." So what you believe is that the less intelligent a person is, the more educated they are likely to be?

...moron.


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Man from Modesto 3 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Steve,

Intelligence and knowledge are not the same thing. The most intelligent people look at the world, realize the successful work for themselves, and repeat that. Less intelligent people do not realize that colleges (even most business schools) only teach you to work for someone else. They go to school, get a job, then trudge through days and years to make the rent.

Intelligence allows a person to create new ideas, to learn on the move, adjust, and overcome the environment.

I met many real idiots on college campuses over the years. In business, there are none- except for the new guy who has not yet realized he is a statistic waiting to happen.

And, my point is that the more education a person receives, the less intelligent they become. They invest in the knowledge and instruction for which they indebted themselves and traded years of their lives.

Meanwhile, the free-thinkers, the intelligent ones, are out enjoying a full life.

If you read my article, you would understand that the independent variable is education and the dependent variable is intelligence. The obverse I do not believe to be true.

I recommend to you a good course in the philosophy of logic. Personally, I have found it to be of great value in all aspects of life.

Thank you for commenting and supporting my case. Peace.


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paxwill 3 years ago from France

There's a simple solution for people who can't stand that "God" has been "taken out of" schools: Send your kids to a private religious school. That way they can have religious teachings mixed in with the core academic curriculum. Just don't complain that your kids' SAT scores are lower than that of students who go to secular schools. Don't complain that they barely get into college and can't keep up with their peers.

Your kids won't know how to solve math problems or know much history/art/literature beyond what's in the Bible, but that's okay. Biblical knowledge is what counts in today's job market. They can grow up to be as smart as the author of this article -- a person who thinks "atheist" and "Satanist" are synonyms.


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Man from Modesto 3 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

So, you think that private schools produce less qualified graduates than public schools? That is incorrect. In fact, the opposite is true.

Consider the most successful families. Do they have a history of private education, or of public schools?

Next, do some historical research. All the great universities started as seminaries to train Christian evangelists. Their endowments began with Christian donors.

I had the highest SAT in my hometown the year I graduated. I placed at state in academic competitions. I was 10th in the entire state for math.

How did I learn that material? A: I ditched public school and studied on my own at home. If you want to learn, you are better off with just a book, a quiet place, and a goal.

I encourage you to read my hub, "Best Predictors of Income Success." The factors that actually count are math skills, resourcing (being able to locate information), and reading comprehension.

Regarding the last skill, reading comprehension, let's analyze your statement that I think atheist and Satanist are synonyms.

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