Civilians Murdered During the Holocaust - Europe During World War II

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Beyond Six Million Jews


Recently, a writer on Hubpages, John Sarkis, asked me about the number of non-Jewish deaths that were a direct result of the Holocaust. Only rough estimates of the number of non-combatants or civilians who died can be made. But when these numbers are derived and compiled from several different reliable and respected Holocaust and World War II historians, we can consider them reliable. Remember these were not soldiers, except for the Soviet Prisoners of War and those soldiers did not die in battle. After they were captured the Nazis marched them to the death camps in Poland, where they were starved and worked to death, and many were "processed" in the gas chambers and crematoriums. But the vast majority of the Nazi victims did not serve in the military; they were civilians - men, women, and children.


Estimates of Non-Combatant Civilian Deaths During the Holocaust:

Ukrainians 5.5 - 7 million

Jews (European countries) 6 million +

Russian POWs 3.3 million +

Russian Civilians 2 million +

Poles socialists/intellectuals 3 million +

Yugoslavians 1.5 million +

Gypsies 200,000 - 500,000

Mentally and Physically Disabled 70,000- 250,000

Homosexuals Tens of thousands

Spanish Republicans Tens of thousands

Jehovah's Witnesses 2,500 - 5,000


Smaller Populations Selected for Extermination by the Nazis

Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts

Protestant and Catholic Clergy

Communists

Czechs, Greeks, Serbs

Deportees

Political Prisoners

Resistance Fighters

Socialists

Trade Unionists

Total Deaths: 22 to 26 Million


Numbers based on these sources.

Michael Berenbaum,ed., A Mosaic of Victims: Non-Jews Persecuted and Murdered by the Nazis (New York/London, 1990), xi

Gilbert, Martin. The Holocaust: A History of the Jews of Europe during the Second World War. New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1985.

Lipstadt, Deborah E. Beyond Belief: the American Press & the Coming of the Holocaust 1933-1945. New York/London: The Free Press, 1986.

Lukas, Richard C. The Forgotten Holocaust: The Poles under German Occupation 1939-1944. Lexington, Kentucky: University Press of Kentucky, 1986.

Milton, Sybil. Senior Historian, The United States Holocaust Museum, Washington, DC. Telephone interview. with Karen Silverstrim, 16 April 1997.

Silverstrim, Karen. Overlooked Millions: Non-Jewish Victims of the Holocaust. MA Candidate, University of Central Arkansas.




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Comments - Non-combatant Deaths During the Holocaust 49 comments

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molometer 4 years ago

Even after all these years. The numbers are staggering. Well researched, Theresa.

It is mind-boggling what humans are capable of?

Voted up, very interesting and useful information. SHARING


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rlbert00 4 years ago from USA

The non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust are quite often forgotten, it is often overlooked that Hitler despised people of Slavic origin almost as much as he despised those of Jewish origin. I honestly had no idea that the number was that high and I am truly gobsmacked that Boy and Girl Scouts were selected for extermination, that is the first that I have heard of that. Excellent article, nicely done.


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CASE1WORKER 4 years ago from UNITED KINGDOM

It is amazing that these figures are not better known. I have been spending quite a lot of time reading on these issues lately and I am quite shocked by what I read. I think it is time to bring this into the open.


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Kathleen Cochran 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

phdast7: Your research is amazing as ever. This information is particularly upsetting. Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts - really?


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

It is not entirely clear why they went after the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, but they did target anyone likely to oppose them, especially if those people were "organized." The International Scouting movement would have been an impediment, an appealing alternative to the Hitler Jugend (Youth) who also focused on nature and self-reliance...but with several essential differences. Strict obedience to Hitler and the Nazi Party was an absolute and these boys and young men would soon be serving the Reich on the frontlines.


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Frank Atanacio 4 years ago from Shelton

There is no easier way to share this information.. I read this twice and each time my mouth went dry.. PHDAST7 thanks for this important share


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Thank you Michael. It even stuns, much less horrifies me. When I was finishing up my bachelor's degree in 1988, most textbooks said 6 million Jews, 11-12 million civilian victims total. Those had been "the numbers" for a very long time.

I think two things happened (there may be other reasons, but this is what comes to mind) that resulted in a more accurate accounting of the number of Nazi victims.

First, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is far more than a traditional museum. It is a large well staffed research center constantly accumulating and processing more and more records that used to be scattered all over the world and so they have revised the numbers substantially.

Second, the Soviet Union broke apart and for the first time western scholars and historians had access to Soviet records from World War II. And they had a lot of records, a tremendous amount of the war took place in the east and those were the areas liberated by the Soviets, not to mention that Soviet losses were immense.

Thanks for commenting. Theresa


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UnnamedHarald 4 years ago from Cedar Rapids, Iowa

Up to 7 million Ukrainians killed? I consider myself fairly informed, so why don't I know this? Why don't we all know this? What gets served up as history and what is ignored? Voted up and interesting.


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AudreyHowitt 4 years ago from California

There numbers are staggering. Well researched! Thank you for including these references---


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suzettenaples 4 years ago from Taos, NM

I was shocked to see Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts on this list, as I was a former Girl Scout. The Nazi's stopped at nothing to destroy all that was good in this world. I am amazed at the numbers, in the millions, of other peoples he tried to snuff out. Thank you for researching this and publishing this hub. We must know these statistics as dreadful as they are to consume.


mours sshields 4 years ago from Elwood, Indiana

Wow! What a staggering number! And, I was also really

shocked that the boy scouts and girl scouts were on the

list. Of course, it was an awful time in history, so I

guess not much should be surprising when it comes to the

evil of the holocaust. Great article!!


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

ribert - Sadly, other groups targeted by the Nazis have often been forgotten. The USHMM in DC, especially their research division (Huge - four floors in a large building) has done a lot to collate vast quantities of material from numerous locations and researchers in order to come up with better (and unfortunately larger) numerical counts. Also helpful was the collapse of the USSR which allowed western scholars access to material that only the Soviets had. I think the numbers will continue to climb a little. They are still discovering graves with hundreds and hundreds of bodies in them in various regions previously part of the USSR.

It is not entirely clear why they went after the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, but they did target anyone likely to oppose them, especially if those people were "organized." The International Scouting movement would have been an impediment, an appealing alternative to the Hitler Jugend (Youth) who also focused on nature and self-reliance...but with several essential differences. Strict obedience to Hitler and the Nazi Party was an absolute and these boys and young men would soon be serving the Reich on the frontlines.

Thank you for reading and for your comments. Theresa


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hello Caseworker - It is amazing and horrifying at the same time. Please read my response to Michael below, which explains why I think the numbers have risen so extensively in the last 25 years. I don't think there was any attempt to hide the numbers (except by actual revisionists and Holocaust deniers), but I think there was no central clearing house for information and we just didn't know the full extent of it. Thanks for commenting.


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rlbert00 4 years ago from USA

Considering the Nazis going after Boy and Girls Scouts as part of their plan to indoctrinate the German youth, I guess it makes sense. I say "guess" and "sense" only because, after all the work and research I've done, I still find it difficult to wrap my head around the way events were playing out in Europe before and during World War Two and the Holocaust.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hello Frank - It is till hard for me to grasp the extent of lives lost and I have been working with this material for almost 20 years. I have an even harder time with the atrocities and cruelty. Somehow, shooting 100 people or starving, brutalizing, and torturing 100 people are not the same to me....and then theer are the stupefying numbers. Theresa


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

UnnamedHarald -

The numbers are staggering. The Ukrainian numbers were not known for a very long time. In fact little of what transpired in Soviet territory was available for Western scholars to study until after the collapse of the USSR. And it is also a huge geographical region - I think twice in the past few years I remember news of another discovery of a mass grave that had not been opened or examined since WW II.

In some of the other responses I have tried to indicate why the numbers vary and have been going up the last few decades, in part due to the "consolidation" work done at the USHMM in Washington. I run across a lot of books and materials which still use older estimates of the numbers.

Thanks for reading and commenting.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Audrey - You are very welcome. They are well respected authors who have strong academic track records and most of them have worked with or at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum and Research Center. Thanks for commenting. Theresa


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

mours - Thank you for your comments. In several of my responses to comments I have tried to explain why I think we knew so little about some aspects of the Holocaust for a long time. And you are right, nothing should surprise us at this point, but still it remains shocking and horrifying.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

ribert00 - It is extremely difficult to get one's mind wrapped around the dreadful things that happened, both because of the extreme cruelty and atrocities but also because of the sheer numbers. We somehow expect barbarism in less developed countries, but a country in the center of Europe supposedly at the height of Christian civilization... that a particular makes the horrors of the Nazis even more difficult to comprehend. Thanks as always for your comments.


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Drtruthman 4 years ago from Harlingen, Texas

Great Hub. Very sad moment in History and I might add, one which could have been avoided or at least deaths reduced had America not waited to get into the war. I voted UP all across except for funny as this was definitely NO laughing matter. Wonderful Hub. Lee


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Thank you Lee - They were terribly tragic times when far too many good people delayed to get involved or did less than they could have. I appreciate your encouraging and kind comments. Theresa


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RTalloni 4 years ago from the short journey

As sad as it is to look at the numbers, I'm glad to see this post for we need to know and we need to remember.

This is a great resource for a variety of people wanting or needing to have concise information on how many civilians were murdered by Nazis during the holocaust. Thanks for putting it together for us--it's important.


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shea duane 4 years ago from new jersey

"I am human, I consider nothing human alien to me." That quote was rendered meaningless by the Nazis.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

You are certainly welcome. I don't usually do super concise, but it occurred to me that this was important and maybe the sheer immensity of numbers and lives lost would speak to people in a manner that a traditional essay would not. Thanks for commenting and for your support. Theresa


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Shea - How incredibly apt and to the point your statement is and true. It reminds me of Elie Wiesel's contention that neither reason, logic, or traditional historical methods can actually explain or make sense of the Holocaust. It was suffering and brutality beyond reason and beyond history. Thank you for your profound comment.


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Marcy Goodfleisch 4 years ago from Planet Earth

I appreciate this hub and its topic; there are so many details about the Holocaust that we don't fully know, and more than that, we are unable to appropriately grasp what the victims endured. This is so well written and researched; thank you for publishing this information. Voted up and across.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Thank you Marcie. I do work hard to make sure the hubs are well researched and as well-written as possible. I feel like a subject, as well as the victims and the liberators deserve nothing less than my best efforts. It is very difficult to grasp the enormity and the brutality of what occurred during the Holocaust. But I think that as human beings we must try to understand. Thank you for your comments.


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aethelthryth 4 years ago from American Southwest

I happened across a book some years ago entitled "Babi Yar" which was fascinating in a gruesome way. It talked about what happened to Jews in Kiev. It also gave some picture of what life was like for Ukrainians under the Nazi and Soviet armies.

I don't know enough about Allied attacks on civilians to be sure who was right, but I think second-guessing such things from the distance of 50+ years should be balanced with the recognition of how much civilian death was going on before the war, both in Europe and the Pacific, and how much of the reason for going to war at all was to stop that.

As I understand it, most people did not know the extent of civilian deaths till after the war (if then.) Even so, when I asked an Iwo Jima veteran I know why he fought, he said the war was a terrible thing, but worse things were being done all over the world, that needed to be stopped.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Over the years it has surprised me how few people know about Babi Yar. It was a major massacre, best estimates say over 30,000 Jews from Kiev were slaughtered there. It was the Einsatzgruppen, not the Whermacht (regular army) or the SS who committed this atrocity, so I have sometimes wondered if that is why it receives little attention.

Certainly the battles of WW II caused a lot of deaths, but as you pointed out, the numbers of civilians who had been killed or would be killed shortly by the Nazis was enormous.

And it does seem to be true that an awful lot of people knew that terrible things were happening, but probably didn't know all the details, especially not about the death camps in Poland.

Thanks for reading and commenting. I appreciate it.


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ThoughtSandwiches 4 years ago from Reno, Nevada

Theresa,

This is a very sad and comprehensive list. I thought I recalled reading somewhere that by (some statistical formulation) Poland suffered the worst in this realm. Perhaps because they were occupied the longest?

Since the pre-war population of Poland was about 30 million...these numbers would suggest civilian casualties of better than 10%?

They crammed a lot of brutality into a very few years.

Thomas

PS...Voting Up and sharing.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Thomas - On a national Basis Poland did suffer greater losses, especially as a percentage of total population. It is higher than 10% though. Many of the people listed in the Jewish losses were Polish and of course many non Jewish Poles were targeted as well.

The figures I have found in several locations is 6 million total so that is 20% of the population, an unbelieveably high number. I think Poland suffered such losses for several reasons: very large Jewish population, strong socialsit labor movement, large professional class, large intelligentsia - professors - philiosophers, large socialist and communist political parties.

I found some depressing statistics on who was tareted:

45% of Polish doctors, 57% of Polish attorneys, 40% of professors, 30% of technicians, more than 18% of her clergy, and most of her journalists. Poland’s educated class was purposely targeted because the Nazis knew that this would make it easier to control the country. They took out most of the leadership of the various socialist and communist political parties and 3.5million Polish Jews as well.

The numbers really are stupefying. The difference bewteen a genocide in Rwanda or even Cambodia is technology, industrial processes and expertise in chenistry and transportation systems, etc. Only a modern, techonologically superior nation could have killed so many in such a short period of time.

There have been genocidal nations and armies throughout history, but prior to the advances of the 20th century, it was very hard to massacre entire populations.

Theresa


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Alastar Packer 4 years ago from North Carolina

The Nazis were determined to make Slavic Poland a subservient slave state after the Jews were exterminated; and any possible professions where resistance could foment or rally round were ruthlessly exterminated. Poland suffered, as you say Theresa, a greater per capita slaughter than any other country in WW2. Caught between two monsters and the ambivalence of the Allies they didn't stand a chance.


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Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

After landing on Omaha Beach on D-Day, my father helped liberate France, fought in the Battle of the Bulge under Patton, and went on to help liberate the death camps in Germany.

He talked a little bit about this latter part of his service in the army, but I could tell by the look in his eyes there were some aspects of those shameful places he would never discuss with anyone again.

Rated up!

SSSSS


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rahul0324 4 years ago from Gurgaon, India

It pains me to see such numbers! What a time It was! How did man get so cruel and inhumane for his own.. his brothers, his sisters, his children!

I get goosebumps and my insides rot when I see pictures of these death camps, these dire deaths the poor people faced!

Nice researched article... staggering numbers... and a point to think... !


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ahorseback 4 years ago

Your research is always perfect ,These numbers are Always shocking , yet there are so many sources of numbers , I have read that Russian civilians alone might have been as high as eleven million. To me though the saddest part is the unknown grave sights still turning up! In Russia , Poland and other places . I also am offended when I hear or read someone saying ....."It never happened!"....So many people today like to bury their head in the sand ....or somewhere !.Awesome work!


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Alastar- Thank you for the informative and tragically correct comments. The Poles really were caught between two monsters and Allied ambivalence and did not stand a chance. Such ruthlessness and cruelty is truly hard to comprehend. If my Polish grandparents hadn't been Catholic and hadn't lived in a small insignificant town, they too would have been destroyed by one menace orhe other.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Randy Your father was in the very thick of the war. What experiences he must have had. It does not surprise me at all that there were things that were veryhard to talk about. In doing research for my doctorate I ahd occasion tointerview a number of WW II vets and some of them wre talking about the "most intense" parts of their war experiences for the very first time. I have immense respect for the men of that generation and have written extensively about the Liberation of the concentration camps by American GIs. Thank you for your kind comments.


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Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

He was the best and happiest man I ever knew, phdast. He had already witnessed the worst life could offer during his time in the war. When he finally returned to his peaceful little farm in the country, he had nothing to fear ever again. I miss him terribly.

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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

rahul- It is all but impossible to imagine such inhumanity and cruelty. I have studied this period in history off and on for 15 years and I still don't understand it. For the sake of all those who suffered I try to do good research. Thank you for your comments.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

ahorseback- Thank you for commenting on the research. I do try hard to be as thorough as possible with my academic work. The numbers are simply staggering. Like you, I am horrified every time I hear or read that they have discovered a new mass grave somewhere in the Ukraine or western Russia. The deniers who say it never happened are nothing short of wicked to me. I do not understand them at all. Thanks so much for reading and commenting.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Randy - it sounds like he was a wonderful man and father. How amazing that after what he experienced that he didn't let if affect him in a negative way. I know that you miss him terribly. It is so hard when we lose our parents, especially when they were really good, decent, and loving people. I pray blessings upon your family.


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James A Watkins 4 years ago from Chicago

It is sad what man is capable of when he gives his heart over to Satan. One of the least publicized parts of the Adolf Hitler story is that he worshiped Satan. If touched on at all, some historians will brush by it with "he dabbled in the occult." Uh-huh.

Stalin also worshiped Satan, as did Karl Marx, as did the men who launched the French Revolution. As did the men who launched the Bolshevik Revolution. Maybe I'll write about that when I get some time. :-)

Thank you for this article. It is well done.


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Sagittarius 2012 4 years ago from Canada

We all know about Armenian, or rather Arameans of Rum (Anatolia – mistakenly called Western Armenia), genocide before and during the WW I.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl8sMDZkyXc

 

However, many of Arameans survived the first holocaust by migrating to Eastern Europe, and during World War II, the Aramean communities in Poland, USSR and Easter Europe have suffered the second holocaust. 

Exterminated by both the Soviets (as a layer of intellectuals and uncompromisingly pro-Polish), and the German Nazis who, because of the Mediterranean  appearance and typical Hebrew names like:Abraham, Isaac, often have taken them for Jews; Arameans population of Eastern Europe almost disappeared during the WW II.

Many Polish Arameans showed a great patriotic attitude, such as Fr. Kajetanowicz Dionysius, the last administrator of the Archdiocese of Lvov, who saved hundreds of Jews by issuing them with fictitious documents.

 

Phdust7, have you included the Arameans in the number of over six million Jews who, you count, died during the WW II; you don't know nothing about them, or you consider them not worth to be mentioned at all?


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

James - It is terribly sad and hard to believe that mankind after all these centuries can still be so evil and cruel. When you do find time to write that Hub, I would be very interested and would love to see your sources. Sometimes a student will ask me a question along those lines and its just not something I have ever had the time to research.

There are so many things we would both like to research and time is a limited finite thing. :) You are very welcome and thank you for the kind comments. Theresa


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Saggitarius - You obviously know a lot about the history and background of the Arameans of Rum. Looking at your Hubtivity, it seems like all you do is make comments on other people's work. Why not produce some work of your own?

In answer to your question about the six million Jews.... No I did not include the Arameans in that number. Why would I? The list attempts to deal with various nationalities. I included my sources at the bottom of the article, so it is clear that I didn't leave anyone out.

What I did was compile in an easily readable form the results that were available in several scholarly works of history, but no work of history can contain all the information. It simply isn't possible and things may get left out, but there is no evil purpose involved. Again, I ask, if you have access to this information, which I don't, why don't you write a Hub?

As for your accusation... No, I do not know much about the Arameans. I never claimed that I had written a Hub with total and complete information, but the Hub contains the best estimates by a number of scholars. I would certainly have considered the Arameans worth mentioning if I had known about them.

I am curious about the purpose of your comments, question, and accusation (final paragraph). If your purpose is to inform as many people as possible about the Arameans who were victims of the Holocaust, then you should take some personal responsibility, do the research, and write a Hub.


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Sagittarius 2012 4 years ago from Canada

Droga Pani Tereso,

Being first generation American of Polish extraction, Professor of European History, one would expect that you have a vast knowledge of history of Poland, Polish Ormians, and Arameans of Anatolia / Rum / Asia Minor in general.

After all, it was their their homeland, the Byzantine Empire where Poland got its culture and Christianity from.

In your article, giving the numbers of Jehovah witness victims of 2500  - 5000, and imaginary number of 6 Milions + Jews, but omitting Millions  of Ormians / Arameans, who suffered cruel prosecution from Russians, Germans, Jews and Ukrainians, and lost their lives during and shortly after the WW II, just makes me wonder what is the intention of your hub.

The last part of my comment is not accusation, just strong Question, to which you can respond with a simple answer: - "it is not politically correct and I don't want to talk about it."

Maybe my statement is more personal then academic, but I've lost my grandfather in Holocaust, whose execution left my grandma with three daughters age 3, 5 and 7 starving.  Omitting tragedy of those people and including them in the number of Jews who lost their lives during WW II,  is deception and injustice.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

SAG -- Being first generation American of Polish extraction, Professor of European History, one would expect that you have a vast knowledge of history of Poland, Polish Ormians, and Arameans of Anatolia / Rum / Asia Minor in general.

PHD -- My history training was at an American University and in order to get a job and support my three children I had to take the courses/study the areas that would (1) result in an acceptable dissertation, and (2) prepare me to teach in a Georgia college or university.

PHD -- There were many things I would like to have studied, including Polish history but I never got to. I took only the general courses that would make a college vice-president willing to hire me.

SAG -- In your article, giving the numbers of Jehovah witness victims of 2500 - 5000, and imaginary number of 6 Milions + Jews, but omitting Millions of Ormians / Arameans, who suffered cruel prosecution from Russians, Germans, Jews and Ukrainians, and lost their lives during and shortly after the WW II, just makes me wonder what is the intention of your hub.

PHD -- When you refer to the “Imaginary number of 6 Million Jews” you clearly reveal your anti-semitic bias. They are all far from “IMAGINARY NUMBERS.” Perhaps you should do some serious research and be honest enough to declare your sources.

PHD -- And I have already explained that I did not develop these statistics. I did not include or leave any group out. The sources I used either (a) did not know about the Arameans or (b) used a numerical cut off point or thresh-hold so there were some groups of people they did not mention or (c) were simply wrong.

SAG -- The last part of my comment is not accusation, just strong Question, to which you can respond with a simple answer: - "it is not politically correct and I don't want to talk about it."

PHD -- It was an accusation, which is inappropriate in a Hub and you have just proven it was an accusation by trying to put your words (in quotes) in my mouth. Speak for yourself. You do not speak for me.

PHD -- Perhaps you should spend more time in the Forums, because you do not want a logical, moderate discussion…you want to make accusatory comments and pick a fight.

SAG -- Maybe my statement is more personal then academic, but I've lost my grandfather in Holocaust, whose execution left my grandma with three daughters age 3, 5 and 7 starving. Omitting tragedy of those people and including them in the number of Jews who lost their lives during WW II, is deception and injustice.

PHD -- Your statements are very personal. But many people, myself included, tragically lost family members during World War II. Why don’t you invest some time in writing the historical Hub that we are all waiting to see? I will not be discussing this with you further, but I would read a well-written and well-researched Hub.


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Vladimir Uhri 4 years ago from HubPages, FB

phdast7. Thank you very much for valuable information.


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phdast7 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Vladimir - Thank you for reading the Hub and for your comments. Theresa

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