Coping with Reality

Nature knows no religion!

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Is it not a fact, the more education one had in ones life, especially in natural science, the less likely one is to hold irrational ideas, especially religious ones?

I am quite new to this amazing site, but noticed already some high quality contributions with a number of substantive arguments to prove my point.

Take this very well written hub [now unpublished] "The Righteous Atheist" by Mark Knowles for example, or read the blog "IAmAnAtheist" and ask yourself the question: "Am I a rational being able to understand the difference between Art and Science, Natural Science in particular?".

A very good hub focusing a lot of light on this very subject is "Knowledge, Evolution, Facts and Fictions" by Tony McGregor from Pretoria, South Africa.

Most people resent being called irrational or delusional but that is exactly what many religious types are who keep talking about heaven and hell, angels and the devil as if these mythological concepts ever really existed or formed any part of our objective human reality which clearly divides all things ever made by humans at any point of their evolutionary development from all the other things which have been and continue to be brought about by Nature in all her forms of energy and matter.

But who made Nature? It surely must have been some sort of god!

The more enlightened way to ask this question, is: "How did all these Natural Processes unfold in this Universe since it first got started?" By answering this question, it becomes quite clear that Nature does amazingly well with out any of the super-natural deities man invented even before the start of organized religion, when fire, the sun and numerous other things were given super-natural, god-like status.

The best explanation I can offer for what the Big Bang may have been analogous to, comes from my own observation of the natural reproductive processes on planet earth. It's not hard to understand that when life on earth started to unfold, it was not just a variety of life forms which started to evolve over millions of years ... but with it evolved a multitude of reproductive processes as well ....

Take a look at yourself! Can you see a distant relative of uncle Joe, who lived in a cave during the stone ages, before humans had even developed iron tools and the use of a wheel? I guess you can't and nore can I. So where did you actually come from? Were you created out of nothing or since this is highly unlikely, is the only possibility ... some god did it?

Let's be honest and think of what must have happend when our parents did it. Your mom got that egg vertalized when your dad had his Mini-Big-Bang and ejaculated ... surprise, surprise the reproductive system worked like Nature had it work for all the other millions of earthlings evolving and growing up into mature life forms ready and able to study natural sciences, understanding that Nature is quite amazing in how she does all these things with out having to wait around for humans to invent invitro fertilization or ask some god for help!

So here we are! Is it so hard to imagine one mature Universe noticing another good looking one on a Friday night after work or on a sunny day in the park? They do what ever it takes - bingo - the Big Bang takes place and our Universe is born. So where does Mr. Smith or any of the other holy man come into the picture?

If you have any questions, just post them below. Save the really basic ones for after you google "Cosmic Evolution", and read up a little on that topic. They may even have a book or two at your local library on that subject.

Let's try, maybe we can advance the discussion to a more rational level ... :)

The Universe is not Confined to Retarded Human Mindspace

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f_hruz 3 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

The question of how to free your mind from ALL forms of mental pollutants, starts at the point of grasping what kinds of man-made pollutants, such as nationalism, religiosity, politics and commercialism actually exist in this world.

If you feel, clinging to a god image and following some religion is not keeping your mind locked up in a totally false reality, please address the issue of religiosity as a mental retardation and let's not argue if the chicken or egg came first!


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f_hruz 3 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Your examples of people who want simplistic religious answers - right away - because they may not have the emotional and/or intellectual capacity to say: "Let us study this issue a bit more objectively!" ... only shows the enormous problem of why people will jump to absurd religious dogmas instead of applying their intellect rigorously and objectively, believing in all kinds of other religious BS, like miracles, angels, the devil, etc. along the way ...

They can't be taken serious when asking for a definition of what NATURE really is, because they can't even demonstrate the basic mental capacity of coping with REALITY successfully!

What's your personal issue of wanting some god around you when there doesn't seam to be one anywhere?


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nyamburamwangi 3 years ago from NAIROBI, KENYA

Is it not a fact, the more education one had in ones life, especially in natural science, the less likely one is to hold irrational ideas, especially religious ones?

F hruz

I wish I can agree and I hope you will have some time to look here at someone who started out in education and no there were no sufficient answers there.http://www.doesgodexist.org/AboutClayton/PastLife....

I am one of those who would want to begin at the basics am sorry- because unless those are answered how you believe the rest. Like in my maths teacher used to tell me, "I want to see all your workings"

Yes fertilisation brought you about but begin with the beginning of the egg.


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f_hruz 4 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Thanks for your visit and for your comments.

You make such great points. I'm learning a lot from you!

Can we continue our mind space research and draw a few more readers into the discussion of how to develop cultural tools to stigmatize irrational thinking to the point of total social embarrassment ... :)


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south

Another exceptional piece. As i read more of your hubs i expect nothing less. It sure would be nice to see in our life time, the demise of irrational organized religion, and the birth of logic and spirituality. It truly saddens me that humanity has not grown out of its childish fears, and have discard the wonders of space exploration for the ignorance of religious fantasies and fears. This is truly a lost opportunity for us. But until the quest for education overrides the ignorance of religion, we are doomed to be a planet of mentally deficient neanderthals.


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f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Hi Christine & coexist73 ... it's great to be on holidays, see my hubs being read and my circle of friends growing.

It would be even better to have you here for a discussion on how to reduce irrationality based on lack of education in a country like the Dominican Republic where so many of the local folks have only a very limited understanding of what objective reality is all about which makes people into easy marks for religion.


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coexist73 5 years ago from Muskegon, Michigan

Thank you for going here. So many are afraid of going to this place when relious sheep are so freely posting about their irrational beleifs. As a new hubber I am happy to know someone else shares my way of thinking and so excited to read your hubs to come :)


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ChristineVianello 5 years ago from Philadelphia

Good hub, very intersting.


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f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Hello Melinda,

thanks for checking up on me. I always wanted to ask you to tell me a bit more about yourself and how you developed your personal world view since you are scientifically trained. I was a bit surprised when I noticed one of your hubs started out by saying languages were created super-natural by gods ... :)

I'm quite sure most anthropologists will tell you a fifferent story.

Best wishes,

Franto in Toronto


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msorensson 5 years ago

Wow..so many comments!! The nature of reality...is a very big question by itself. I shall come back another time.

Thanks for the thought provoking hub.


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f_hruz 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

You may have the answer right there! "Somewhere, under the rain bow" ... and just like rain bows aren't made by gods, why should anything else be?

Thanks for your kind congrats and for following, which I gladly reciprocated ... it's really nice to have friends like you ... :)


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elayne001 6 years ago from Rocky Mountains

Well, you know how to touch on a big controversial topic that will always get lots of comments. I, for one, can't imagine the big bang without some sort of help from somewhere, but each to his own, so I'll end here. Congrats on the nomination and good luck. Try the religion forum - you'll find lots interesting insanity over there.


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f_hruz 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

It's soo lovely of you all to stop by, post such nice comments and show your kind support ... I have to find out how it all came about for my hub to be chosen as a HubNugget candidate ... :)

It wasn't just pure luck, or was it?


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Petra Vlah 6 years ago from Los Angeles

Great hub, voted up here, but also on the hubnugget competition; wish you best of luck and hope you win


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Deborah Demander 6 years ago from First Wyoming, then THE WORLD

Congratulations on your hubnugget nomination. Looks like you have jumped both feet into the fray.

Namaste.


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ripplemaker 6 years ago from Cebu, Philippines

Congratulations on your Hubnuggets nomination! Happy with the nomination, please share in the Hubnuggets forum http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/61041#post1353838! And then zoom your way to Ms. Bee's hub to vote! Have fun with the Hubnuggets as we all cope with different realities :)


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Jeremey 6 years ago from Arizona

I've considered myself agnostic for a few years now, I found this hub rather interesting but will continue to carry on with my ways, I hope there is a God and he may be the "scientist' who designed the big bang!!!?? I just can't find enough proof to sway me to either side so I guess I'll walk the line on this one.


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f_hruz 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

andromida - thanks for your comment! I think you have an open mind and really do want to expand your understanding of reality. Super-natural mythology, unscientific ideas can really confuse any one if they don't understand what nature is and where human activity takes over ... :)

Here is one very good hub you may like to read as well ... http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/How-I-Beca


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andromida 6 years ago

Another interesting hub.thanks


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f_hruz 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Thanks for your vote, De Greek ... it's good to know you liked it! It gave me the spark to read up a bit on all the great things you bring to this hub community ... :)


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De Greek 6 years ago from UK

Good stuff. I am voting for this :-)


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f_hruz 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Dear Debbie, thanks ever so much for your comments.

It's good to know you get something of value for yourself from what I am trying to say ... I can tell you, this one book here "Origins: Fourteen Billion Years of Cosmic Evolution" by Neil Degrasse Tyson & Donald Goldsmith is a real good foundation for a more serious look at how things came about - I got a 'hell of a lot' out of it - and "The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution" by Richard Dawkins is a first class text not only on the subject of evolution but also on debunking religious BS, so do help yourself ... and thanks so much for being a friend!


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debbiesdailyviews 6 years ago

You are brilliant in putting your views across, and your comments are as enlightening as your Hubs.

I thank you for leaving me such fantastic fan mail, and consider it high praise indeed.

At the end of the dat, all we can all ever do is batter these theory's around for-ever-and-a day.

I consider it great sport, albeit very interesting.

With this kind of subject, it brings out everyones biological facts, ideas, and imaginations.

You show great argument, and at the same time, you open this up again in a intelligent way.

Looking forward to reading more.


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f_hruz 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Dear friends!

I have a question for you about this new internet project called New Reality Transmission which talks about a Reality Matrix ... it's a nice web site but sounds like a real joke to me! They are also on FB talking about global meditation for a better world.

Not much harm in it as such, just a lot of futile hope misdirected, I would say.


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tonymac04 6 years ago from South Africa

Great Hub, and I'm very grateful for the link and the kind words about my Hub. Thanks so very much, Fanto!

I am not hopeful about the possibiity of rationality replacing irrationality, but I guess we have to keep on working at it!

Thanks again and I look forward to more reading of yor Hubs.

Love and peace

Tony


AKA Winston 6 years ago

The theistic common bond is primeval: fear of the dark.


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fatfist 6 years ago

f_hruz,

(There must be enough educated catholics in that hirachy looking for a more fullfilling job than what they have now, with all that religious BS.)

Yes, they are educated and they are smart. The standards of education in those countries are much higher than in North America. The Vatican even has its own science department whose only purpose is reconcile science with God. They even have their own scientists working within the scientific establishment.

Just watch the movie Religulous where Bill Maher interviews a head Catholic Priest in the Vatican, who, in not so many words, said that religion and Jesus is pure BS.

The incentive they have to continue to perpetuate this fraud upon humanity is $$$. Religion is a sub-government. This is the reason why they pay no taxes. The government loves to have these sub-government services available which dumb down society. This allows the government to do whatever the hell it pleases with these brain-dead zombies and make them empty their pockets with every command.

"Jesus came in my dream and told us Americans to go in a mission to wipe out terrorism..." -- G.W. Bush

A non-believer in God is un-American! This is one nation under God!

(Seriously, let's develop the strategy to this project, ok?)

I've been trying to open people's eyes for years. They will do anything to resist. I've even had a religious clown tell me that he "appeals to irrationality", because to be human is to be irrational.

If you have any ideas, feel free to email me.

thanks


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f_hruz 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Hi there, fatfist - thanks so much for your comments.

My interest in communicating with the irrational, religious types is driven, in part, by the desire to learn if their brain disfunction is based more on social factors or their own, subjective emotional problems of coping with what is real and what is not.

I noticed their generally lower level of eduction and inability to relate to nature as foundation of objective reality.

I'd like to get your input on how we could use the internet to convert the Vatican from a religious body into a world organization for the advancement of the human mind. There must be enough educated catholics in that hirachy looking for a more fullfilling job than what they have now, with all that religious BS.

Seriously, let's develop the strategy to this project, ok?


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fatfist 6 years ago

Hi f_hruz,

Nice hub, and welcome to hp.

I first noticed you when you tried to knock some sense into Pollyannalella. Nice try, and I envy your patience ;-)

Religionists are no different than Farm Animals. They are bred for a specific purpose. No amount of external influence will have any effect on them. Sure, there are the few that are able to evolve into human beings. But those are the only ones that are capable of the process we call “thought”.

Anyway, I enjoy your posts regarding the brainwashing of society, keep posting them.

My only point of contention with you is regarding the “Creation of Existence” via the Big Bang. I urge you to read up on Father Lemaitre’s creation scam for the Vatican. I have many hubs explaining the Physics of why creation is impossible. If you ever like to have a rational discussion on this issue, you are welcome.

Keep posting!


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f_hruz 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Joyus Crynoid - thanks for your comments.

I just added a few links to some videos ... the two part "History of the Universe Made Easy" is very good!

It's amazing how much science has advanced! Too bad so many pin heads have no idea what the basic requirents are to apply scientific thought to real world events :)


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Joyus Crynoid 6 years ago from Eden

I think you're on to something here! The big bang makes a lot of sense to me as well, as does the notion that this universe was the progeny of other universes, and like each and every one of us, developed over time to its present state of maturity...


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f_hruz 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Gerry, come on, I know for a fact that our universe came about as a result of a BIG BANG. I was at that bar where these two universes met that night before they went at it and our own little universe was born shortly after ... if I remember correctly - it was a lil while ago ... :)


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Gerry Hiles 6 years ago from Evanston, South Australia

Hi mate.

I reject "big bang" ... I find "steady state" a far more plausible theory.

I reject "evolution" too in terms of "the origin of species". No evidence, not scientific. The finches on the Galapogos Islands displayed different possibilities/potentials in their DNA, that's all.

Poodles look nothing like St Bernards, but of course they are of the same species and can interbreed therefore.

Experiments with Drosophila (fruit flies) which reproduce very rapidly, show zero sign of speciation over thousands of generations.

Sorry this is brief, but I have trouble typing.

Welcome aboard HP. I'll never fully get the hang of it, partly becuase typing is getting increasingly difficult - trapped nerve and arthritis. Fun getting old eh!


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f_hruz 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Great comments, thanks guys.

One religious lady once told me quite honestly and plainly that she simply doesn't like the idea of her having evolved from lower life forms, no matter how long it may have taken!

She has enough of an income to redecorate her living room twice a year, so she insists on her own reality of having been created by a nice human-like, super-natural being who spoke English ... :)


scriber1 6 years ago

To seek rationality from the thoat of fear is a laudable but vainglorious labor. Merely continue to, and I do, stay the course..........and someone will pick up and carry forward the stave of sanity.


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Austinstar 6 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

It is so much more convenient to say some sort of god "created" everything than trying to understand cosmic evolution with our puny brains. Convenience beats hard work and study every time.

Good hub. Rated up!


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f_hruz 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Thanks for your comments. It's good to know we can be frank and open while at the same time be a little provocative with out being suspected of ill will towards others or wanting to hurt anyones feelings ... :)


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onegoodwoman 6 years ago from A small southern town

I came. I read.


lisa.bom 6 years ago

A lot to think about. thanks

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