Evolution did the best it could, God was supposed to do it perfectly.

Evolution Illustrations

All of these creatures came from a common ancestor. Evolution assembled and disassembled and reassembled them over billions of years to LOOK different, but they are basically the same.
All of these creatures came from a common ancestor. Evolution assembled and disassembled and reassembled them over billions of years to LOOK different, but they are basically the same. | Source

Evolution versus God or 'Intelligent Design'

Evolution did the best it could with the ingredients available. God was supposed to have created it all out of nothing and get it perfect the first time. This argument alone is sufficient evidence for evolution as it is quite obvious that God did not get it perfect the first time. If he had gotten it perfect, there would have been no reason at all to destroy his own creation (via the flood).

Evolution covers billions and billions of years and is still going on today. In fact, evolution will never end.

God took six days and after a short rest, then proceeded to find fault with everything he created and tried to destroy the world he made. Finally, after much grief, wars and arguments over just who and what God is, he gave up and told his son to fix it (according to Christianity) (according to Mohammed in the Muslim religion) (according to various other deities in hundreds of other religions).

If man came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

If Hispanic Americans came from Spain, why are there still Spaniards?

Same argument, same answer!

All creatures (and everything else) on earth came from some base enzymes and atoms and DNA molecules, and proteins and thousands of other crazy configurations of things known and still unknown. We are not made of just one kind of element or energy. Billions and billions of combinations were tried and ether kept or discarded. Evolution was a piece of this and a piece of that. If the pieces fit or worked, the entity kept those pieces. If it didn't work or fit, the entity discarded those pieces and tried others. This took an unimaginable amount of what we call "time".

The universe didn't measure things in time. Humans do that. Rocks and trees and insects and dinosaurs and pretty much everything else do not use a clock or calendar to measure time. The universe itself has no age. It has always existed, it exists now, and it will always exist. Evolution is the assembly and disassembly of all the atoms in the universe in constant motion.

So man did NOT come from apes! And there is no "missing link". Everything that exists now came from the assembly and disassembly of all of the parts and pieces of the universe. In other words, the universe has EVOLVED to its present state.

Like some kind of incredibly immense jig-saw puzzle, the pieces were fit together or tried somewhere else. This happened because of physics and everything in the universe being in motion. Energy was also part of the mix.

Evolution Explained in Plain English

Evolutionary Facts:

  1. The Earth is over 3.6 BILLION years old. Proven by geologists.
  2. Cellular life has been around for at least half of that period.
  3. Organized multi-cellular life is at least 800 million years old.
  4. There were no birds or mammals 250 million years ago – no bird or mammal fossils have been discovered in strata older than that.
  5. There used to be dinosaurs and Pithecanthropus, and there are none now. They have disassembled into other forms.
  6. We ALL came from previous life forms (mothers). At some common point in time, ‘Mothers’ were single-celled and then multi-celled.
  7. The Earth is spherical (not flat as was once believed)
  8. The Earth rotates and has energy.
  9. Our planets revolve around the Sun, not the other way around as was also once believed.
  10. All living organisms present on earth today have arisen from earlier forms in the course of earth's long history - supported by scientific, repeatable observations.

Lots of elements and energy

Can you see all of the tiny little elements that came together to form just one little cell?
Can you see all of the tiny little elements that came together to form just one little cell? | Source

Proving Evolution is a Fact. or Where did we all COME from?

Localized evolution is a proven scientific fact. Humans used to have tails. Dinosaurs evolved and then died out. Billions of species have assembled and then re-assembled or fell apart as their environment changed. Skin cells adapted to light or lack of light. External appearance changed over time. Internal systems developed. Some animals are still combinations of mammal and reptile.

There is no reason to believe evolution happens only in restricted areas. Indeed, evolution happens throughout the entire universe.

If an adaptation works or fits, the entity keeps it in a DNA code. If an adaptation or mutation doesn't work or fit, the DNA code discards it (because it doesn't fit). Sometimes this takes a very short amount of time and sometimes it takes an enormous amount of time.

Scientists today have the capability of using DNA code to enhance plants and animals. They can physically splice together strands of DNA to enhance or improve the code and therefore enhance the plant or animal. It's not even that difficult. We just had to learn to do ourselves what the universe has been doing for eternity.

The fastest and most helpful medical treatments today are now being developed by DNA manipulation. Does this make us Gods? No, DNA is only a tool. The universe is the source of all evolution. The universe used atoms and energy to assemble and dis-assemble all of the things we know today. In a few billion of our "years", the universe will have changed everything around again. Evolution never stops. New atoms and codes and energy coalesce, then die or dis-assemble and become part of another entity.

Primordial Soup and Fossils

All things on Earth arose from common elements and energy.
All things on Earth arose from common elements and energy. | Source

What do you believe?

Which of the following best describes the evolution of the universe?

  • The gradual jig-saw puzzle assembled over unimaginable periods that continues today.
  • God did it.
  • We still don't know and perhaps never will.
  • Someday we will understand it all and the answer will be something we never guessed.
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Comments - What are your arguments for or against evolution? 35 comments

Insane Mundane profile image

Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

You said: "If man came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? If Hispanic Americans came from Spain, why are there still Spaniards? Same argument, same answer!"

What a joke! Monkeys are not humans, while both Spaniards and Hispanic Americans are! That doesn't relate, in the slightest...

True, everything adapts, evolves and acclimates to its surroundings, but what does that have to do with the fact that no evolutionist can explain the missing link between Homo erectus (and other ape-like beings) and the Homo sapiens of today?

Now you say the universe has no age?

Y'all atheist evolutionists often support the Big Bang as well, as that would give the Universe an age, right?

LOL! This entire subject is almost as funny as it is interesting; thanks for sharing...


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Sorry, Mr. Insane, but monkeys and humans are very closely related. Perhaps I should have used another analogy like if alligators came from crocodiles, why are there still crocodiles? (This can be conversely expressed).

Did you miss the part about there NOT being a missing link? Scientists dismissed that supposition long ago. Keep up.

There is no reason to discount the Big Bang as it is just as likely as a supernova is. Things frequently implode and explode in the universe. There may have been billions of Big Bang events in the history of the universe. None of us were there to document them. So therefore, the universe does NOT have an "age" that we can measure with our puny brains.

Those that argue against universal evolution ARE funny! I agree.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Monkeys, apes, chimps, bonobos, orangutans, etc., may be closely related to you, but not me. Perhaps I have alien DNA or landed here by some other means, blah-blah, as obviously we have different perceptions of our surroundings.

Oh, cool, you changed the analogy... By the way, crocodiles and alligators look similar, but come from different families and habitats. Duh!

Yes, there is a big missing link between Homo erectus and the Homo sapiens and, unless you are the first to find the answer, please provide resources that provided such answers. By you saying that scientists dismissed that long ago, tells me a lot about what you have studied. LOL!

I didn't discount the Big Bang, just saying that if you believe in it, that it would give the Universe an age, as you said it didn't have one.

By the way, why can't we ever demonstrate an organized and orderly explosion, like the Big Bang supposedly represents, here on Earth?

Funny that, how so true... Ha!


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Mr. Mundane, your words also tell me where you have (not) studied.

"By the way, why can't we ever demonstrate an organized and orderly explosion, like the Big Bang supposedly represents, here on Earth?"

Uh, if we did that, we would more or less blow ourselves up, don't you think?


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Davesworld 4 years ago from Cottage Grove, MN 55016

"Indeed, evolution happens throughout the entire universe."

Ah, how do you *know* that? Have you been out and looked around in the Universe, or are you just guessing? How do you *know* "There may have been billions of Big Bang events in the history of the universe" or are you just guessing again?: Of course, this time you did use the waffle-word "may" so I guess you're covered here.

To make assumptions from a single data point is an invitation to disaster.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

I am hardly using a "single data point", Dave. Obviously you did not read the hub.

I have literally billions of data points - and that's just on earth! By the use of telescopes and other investigational tools at the disposal of NASA and many other scientific communities, we have trillions more data points on which to draw conclusions about the universe.

If you are a religionist, it is YOU that relies on a single book and idea for your "facts". And yes, that is a disaster.


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Davesworld 4 years ago from Cottage Grove, MN 55016

The single data point is obviously the planet Earth. You cannot *know* that evolution occurred elsewhere until you go take a look. Just like you cannot sit in Texas and *know* what the weather conditions are like in Minnesota on March 2, 2012, unless you go and take a look. You can take my word for the weather here - it is a balmy 32 degrees heading to a high in the 50s next week - but you cannot do the same with conditions on a planet, if any, orbiting Betelgeuse.

You do not *know* that because you aren't there, haven't been there, don't know anybody who has been there, and have no way of determining it using NASA instrumentation or anything else for that matter. You don't even *know* if there is a planet orbiting Betelgeuse - neither do I.

To categorically state that "evolution happens throughout the universe" is a belief, not an observable fact. Maybe your belief will turn out to be correct as science advances, and maybe it won't. You cannot *know* that. Neither can I. I would not take exception to this point if you said "evolution PROBABLY happens throughout the entire universe," thus acknowledging that this is still an unknown.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Fine Dave, if it makes you feel any better, then Evolution PROBABLY happens throughout the entire universe.

But Earth is definitely not what ANYONE would call a single data point. The Earth is made up of trillions of data points. Chemical, mathematical, units of energy, weather systems, biological systems, grains of sand, DNA configurations, and on and on. Try not to be obtuse, please.

We have in fact measured weather and temperatures on other planets, the sun and the moon. Scientists have these things called thermometers and spectrophotometers that produce data points that are recordable. These data points can be used for calculations and predictions.

Your weather man probably used some scientific tools to inform you "it is a balmy 32 degrees heading to a high in the 50s next week". If I tuned in to the station you watch, I could verify that the weather you are reporting is actually measurable and reliable. I would have you and that weatherman to confirm the data points. I don't actually have to be there.


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scottcgruber 4 years ago from USA

"Just like you cannot sit in Texas and *know* what the weather conditions are like in Minnesota on March 2, 2012, unless you go and take a look."

In Minneapolis it is overcast with a temperature of 32 degrees and 10 mph winds from the east southeast, and a 50% chance of snow. I do not need to be there to know this, as there are weather monitoring stations all over Minnesota to do that for me.

While we cannot observe biological evolution happening everywhere in the universe (yet), we can know that stellar evolution happens everywhere in the universe, and we can know that the most common elements in the universe are the same ones that make up the organic matter in all of us.

While we only have one data point for life, we know that life evolved here. If there is life anywhere else in the universe, there is no other logical way for it to exist other than to be in a constant state of evolution. If we are the only life in the universe, then the statement is still true, as it would mean by definition that all life everywhere in the universe evolved.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Excellent points, Scott. Thank you.


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Titen-Sxull 4 years ago from back in the lab again

Great Hub Austinstar. The Bible contains a long list of God's pathetic failures, for a perfect God he sure did create a screwed up creation. I'm sure Christian apologists will just blame Satan for that (even though God created Satan too).

Human beings are not only related to monkeys we arguably are STILL monkeys, as all apes evolved from monkeys anyway. I still look back on my misguided time as a Creationist and cringe when I remember how closed-minded I was toward that idea- my own arrogance in wanting to believe we were specially created to be better than other animals.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

You know Titen, I was always so confused about Christians accepting incest as ok for Adam and Eve and their children, but they considered incest today as being incredibly sinful. What was that all about? Then they can't seem to accept a common ancestor for other life forms? Not to mention that ALL life came from common elements!

Christians can grasp the concept that Adam and Eve founded a line of humanoids that closely resemble apes, but they don't understand where apes came from, or even why scientists would compare the two. They actually think it's like comparing apples to oranges.

How brainwashed do you have to be to believe the biblical story of creation?


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Titen-Sxull 4 years ago from back in the lab again

Pretty brainwashed. I know in my case every time they so much as mentioned Evolution on television one of my parents would either turn the channel or make a snide remark mocking science and dismissing Evolution out of hand. When you get constant reinforcement of the religious version and constant derision of the scientific version it adds up.


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diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico

Hahaha...they all came out of the woodwork; this is why I try to stay away from nature/nuture subjects.

Scientists are not "assuming" anything about the rest of the universe based on what they observe and can test on Earth. They have documented well the change of gas clouds into stars and the stars dying in super nova.

Particle physics and quantum theory is showing today just what we - and all life forms - actually are. It will only be a matter of time when the so called "missing link" bit of the puzzle is filled in to show just when the ape that was almost certainly our forefather finally left the trees and evolved - through stages - into modern man. How much evidence do you need when you can see a Chimp has almost the same DNA as we do and certainly much of the same neurotic behaviour?

I think this is a good article. Yes, it's all been said before and at length in scientific tomes which no one on HP would plough through. And it will be said again.

No god or gods need figure in things for me.

Bob


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Ha-ha! Bob/Diogenes, you do realize that quantum theory often leads to, if you have studied it and/or been involved with it, further boogy-boogy stuff that makes most common religions look like basic science, right?

Hey, even Albert Einstein thought quantum entanglement was some pretty spooky stuff.

At least you admit there is a "missing link" between the ape magically leaping into the Homo sapiens of today, unlike some people who think that there isn't one.

Alas, you seem to have faith that your cousins are bonobos and chimps, with distant relatives being gorillas, orangutans, etc.

Go study quantum physics to its fullest besides reading a couple articles and claiming to be in "the know," and surely you'll see something else going on, sort of like when Einstein said (I hate to use him twice, but nobody seems to believe anybody else on here) to "never lose a holy curiosity" and "to never stop questioning" along with many other quotes that would make your bold statements seem asinine in the world of science and discovery.

Many thanks and good luck with that "missing link" research. LOL!


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Joyus Crynoid 4 years ago from Eden

Well said Austinstar. Alas, you can't argue with IDiots. At least your first commentor has an appropriate user name. Insane = living in denial of reality.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

@Joyus: As childish as your comment was, I was trying to not be insulting and at least semi-respectful.

Of course, your comment brought no answers to anything that related to this hub and by glancing at your profile, you do claim that science provides the reasons for why we are here and the reason for our existence; ha-ha! Now, who said what about idiots? LOL! By the way, anybody can argue with anybody, but I was hoping that we were debating with at least a monkey-level of intelligence, since this is a subject about evolution, duh! :/


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Joyus Crynoid 4 years ago from Eden

@Insane: if you want answers beyond those already very clearly provided by Austinstar read my hubs. Not that I expect that to help, given that you describe yourself (quoting from your profile) as "semi-intelligent". In any case this is Austinstar's hub, so I won't get into it with you here. Enjoy your delusions!


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

@Joyus: What, do you want me to claim to be "all-knowing" like you? Only the truly intelligent will understand why I call my self "Insane Mundane" and that I only claim to be "semi-intelligent," as you can't even grasp that very basic aspect of knowledge, I doubt if I'm the one who is delusional here.

Uh, I may swing by your hubs at a later date.

I'm currently checking in for Evolutionary enlightenment on this Hub and I'm in the middle of discussing Polar Shifts on another.

Ta-Da! C-Ya!


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

IM - If you are interested, please watch this video regarding australopithicus sativa (sp?)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/7571898/...

"Scientists believe the almost-complete fossilised (sic) skeleton belonged to a previously-unknown type of early human ancestor that may have been an intermediate stage as ape-men evolved into the first species of advanced humans, Homo habilis.

Experts who have seen the skeleton say it shares characteristics with Homo habilis, whose emergence 2.5 million years ago is seen as a key stage in the evolution of our species. "

However current thinking has discarded the idea that we even NEED to find a "missing link" because the evidence is overwhelming for its occurrence. If you KNOW A + B + C = D then you do not need to actually FIND 'B' to prove the formula.

Sorry for confusing things with math.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Hey there, thanks for the link!

Fear not, math is actually one of my fortes...

However, that video does nothing but claim that some species of an ape-like being that originated over 2 million years ago, possibly existed for a while amid nature before its extinction.

Even the earliest known remains of Cro-Magnon-like humans are radiocarbon dated to 35,000 years before present, which would have nothing to do with the missing link from that ancient being.

That video link might as well been chattering about the extinct species of the Homo floresiensis, as it provides about as much answers as the other.

Ahh, at least you're trying...

Please, keep me informed and hopefully somebody will eventually find the missing link, albeit I'm not holding my breath. :)


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Joyus Crynoid 4 years ago from Eden

@Insane: I don't claim to be all-knowing. There is a good deal that I don't know, and I'm happy to admit it. Nevertheless I know that evolution is a fact (as much as any other), and that it takes either delusion, willful ignorance or skill at mental gymnastics for any intelligent person to deny that. Sorry to be insulting, it's just that I don't suffer fools gladly.

BTW, the "missing link" argument that you keep harping on is a complete red herring, as Austinstar has clearly stated.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Dear Joyus, thanks for interrupting again with nonsense.

The Red herring baloney you harp about, is a figurative expression in which a clue or piece of information is or is intended to be misleading, or distracting from the actual question. THAT does not even remotely relate as to why no evolutionist can explain the missing link from an ape/ Homo erectus/ Neanderthal / whatever, to the Homo sapiens of today.

People like you want proof, well, so do I!

There has been no clear statements about such things and you know it, fellow all-knowing one with mad answers via science.

Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to learn, but just please give me reason to believe that my cousins are chimps and so on, and I will surrender under the facts, but I doubt if you have those, eh?


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Joyus Crynoid 4 years ago from Eden

IM, "red herring" can also refer to an argument that is misleading and distracting from what is actually relevant to the discussion. That pretty much sums up your "missing link" baloney.

I wrote a hub on this very subject with lots of facts, so I don't need to list them here. Been there, done that.

Austinstar, thanks again for this excellent hub.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

I apologize in advance InsaneMundane, but I will be deleting your comments henceforth as you are totally repeating your insipid argument over and over.

BTW, not only are chimps and apes your cousins, some of them were PROBABLY your mothers! Also, atomically, we are related to every thing in the universe as our atoms are part and parcel of this eternity.


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scottcgruber 4 years ago from USA

"just please give me reason to believe that my cousins are chimps and so on, and I will surrender under the facts"

That is a lie and you know it.

You will not surrender under the facts. You will just demand further answers to additional questions. Moving goalposts are the only rhetorical weapon creationists have, since they have not a single fact on their side.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Hmmm, creationists must be in charge of insurance companies too. You have to keep proving things to them and then they want even more proof. I think they both want proof that doesn't exist.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

IM - I would delete your comments just on their being promotional to your hubs. The is against the TOS on hub. I only allowed it because of TF's response. If you want me to keep your comments, then I suggest that you a. have something to say, and b. go along with HubPages TOS.


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Comments must now be approved before they will show up. I hate to do this, but I must agree with HubPages Terms of Service and disallow inappropriate comments. Thank you in advance for leaving intelligent, well thought out comments.


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SilentReed 4 years ago from Philippines

So who started the ball spinning? Could "something" have evolve from nothing? Where did atoms and DNA molecules come from? Human intelligence is slowly putting the pieces of the puzzle together. In time we may find the answer. For me "God" is just a symbol in Man's quest for a higher intelligence. Religion should stick to moral issues and let the scientists do their job. It is pure arrogance and ignorance to believe that the universe revolve around us (we are part of it). The church was always a hindrance to progress. It too must learn to evolve or be cast into the dustbin of HELL. :)


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

1. Something cannot come from nothing

2. No one "started the ball rolling" - The universe was always in motion.

3. ALL matter in the universe has ALWAYS existed and always will. (See rule number 1)

4. Human intelligence is so tiny it cannot even be measured on a universal scale.

5. Man does not need to find a higher intelligence. It doesn't matter one way or the other.

6. Moral issues are personal to each individual.

7. The universe is us and we are the universe.

8. Churches are money grubbing, brainwashing social clubs.

9. Progress is also personal. We are what we are and we all try to be all that we can be.

10. Believe what you will and enjoy your life. Allow others to do the same.


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO

Oh now how did I miss this dish? Tasty and I loved the commentators, really, it was educational from many perspectives and I laughed, cried, whew! Lol

I do agree with you - and I do not think that I am intelligent enough to argue any point better than anyone above me.

There is plenty of evidence of truth to what you've said. Darwins theory always sounded pretty good to me - Survival of the fittest, right? Genes mutate to adapt to the environment...even in animals if they interbreed you find more genetic anomalies I think - so I believe avoidance of in breeding is to make the species stronger maybe. There are some cultures that incest is not a term or thought it exists though. There was a famous sociologist - can not remember her name - Margaret Meed! I think she included details about the culture she wrote about too.

Any way - up and out of this world! Lol. Dave enjoyed this one too I'll have ya know:)


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Austinstar 4 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Peanut made you miss this hub, Kelly. That's who! Glad I made you and Dave laugh tonight.


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO

That little guy is doing superb now! Still lapping up liquids but I think the little dude is gaining weight!

Ya, I'm off to work on The MM hub!


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Trish_M 4 years ago from The English Midlands

I'm happy to accept that bonobos are my cousins :)

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