Gypsy Cops ~ Brady Cops: Is It Really a Good Policy to Keep Them On Duty?

We have heard a lot about inappropriate police responses and behaviors in the news over the past few months. Could it be that some of the cops involved were Gypsy cops? If they were not Gypsy cops, might they now be considered Gypsy cops by their departments because of their unprofessional actions and words?


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What exactly is a “Gypsy Cop?”

Gypsy cops are police officers who are problematic. They have been dishonest in some way, or they have not acted professionally in every instance. They have misbehaved, failed to follow policies or procedures, or they have done or said something that put themselves, their departments, and/or prosecutions of alleged criminals in question.

The reason they are referred to as “Gypsy cops,” is because they are often moved from one department in the police department to another, never staying long in any one position.

Some peace officers are terminated for misbehavior or failing to follow department policies and procedures, but some are not. Rather than being terminated, they are moved from one position to another, usually because their offense(s) are not serious enough for termination, yet they are no longer trusted and their word on the witness stand can jeopardize a case.

If the only person who can testify as a witness, or who has obtained evidence against someone for alleged illegal activity is a Gypsy cop, chances are that case will be lost because their word and their credibility is in question. Most prosecutors would not take a chance on losing a case they have worked hard to put together by utilizing the testimony of a Gypsy cop.


That Leads to a Gypsy Cop’s Next Designation — Brady Cop

The definition of a Brady cop is pretty much the same as the definition of a Gypsy cop. She or he is a police officer whose words and or actions are not trusted to be correct, fair, honest, or in some cases legal. That is, the particular police officer in question has been known to lie and/or to ignore police department procedures — sometimes many times, and sometimes to the extent of breaking the law.

Again, if this is the only law enforcement professional that can verify evidence or give testimony against a person who has allegedly broken the law or committed a crime, chances are that any case brought by the county or city prosecutor will be lost on so-called technicalities. For that reason the prosecutor’s office will often not bring formal charges until they have more credible witnesses and/or evidence collected by a different officer.

Testimony from prisoners is acceptable in our court system, but not testimony from a Gypsy cop. I do not usually like to include my own opinion, but in this case, having observed the outcomes of several prosecutions, I will say that I do not believe the testimony of either prisoners, cell mates, Gypsy cops, or anyone who may have a stake in the outcome, should be acceptable. When I say a stake in the outcome, I mean prisoners and cell mates especially, who may get favors or cash for testifying against someone. It gives them an incentive to lie and so their testimony in my opinion, is tainted.

Basically any Gypsy Cop is also called a Brady cop. Most prosecutors keep a Brady List that has the names of all Gypsy cops on it because they do not want to build a case around the testimony of a Gypsy or Brady cop. The testimony of one of these cops will not be trusted and can be the cause of a case being thrown out of court or even having a verdict overturned.

The Brady List also includes the names of people who are not cops, or necessarily connected in any way to law enforcement. They are people whose credibility is not trusted for some reason


Where Did the Name Brady Cop Come From?

Sometimes procedures or new laws will stem from court cases where someone’s verdict was overturned in part or in whole because of a particular situation that may have prevented that person from receiving a fair trial. That is where the Brady List comes from.

In Brady v. Maryland (the small v. stands for versus), the prosecutor withheld certain information s/he had from the defendant’s attorney, and from the court. While the verdict was not overturned as a result of the court’s decision made without benefit of all the exculpatory evidence being furnished by the prosecutor(s) in the Brady v. Maryland case, the punishment of the convicted was modified.

Generally officers of the judicial system (judges, district attorneys, etc.) of a city, county, state, or the United States, do not like to go to all the work and expense of a trial only to have the verdict overturned, or a new trial ordered. That is the reason they go to great lengths to make sure their evidence is genuine and their witnesses credible.

There are always a few prosecutors around the country who have ambitions of moving up, perhaps to state or federal positions such as attorney general, senator, president, etc., and sometimes they will take risks in order to get a conviction that might not be easily attainable, or attainable at all, if all evidence is provided.

While it is supposed to be the duty of prosecutors to get to the truth of any crime as opposed to getting a conviction, most of the time the conviction is their goal at any cost. Of course they will argue that isn’t true because it makes them look greedy and dishonest, but sadly it is true, and that is why they will sometimes withhold exculpatory evidence that might give the defendant some advantage.


In the case of Brady v. Maryland, there was a murder where 2 men were involved. One of the men actually committed the murder while the other was present and witnessed the murder. Both were found guilty of murder, but because the one did not physically participate in carrying out the murder, his sentence was less. It would not have been the same if the withheld evidence had not come to light.

The evidence withheld in the Brady v. Maryland case was material in the sense that it made a difference in the punishment. It came to light because the defendant who did not physically participate in the murder challenged both the verdict and the sentence by taking his case to the Supreme Court.

No, he did not take his murder trial to the Supreme Court and basically have a retrial. What he did was to take a case to the Supreme Court stating that exculpatory evidence had been withheld by the prosecutor during his trial, and that it would have made a difference in the verdict and therefore in the punishment handed out, had the evidence been presented in court. He challenged the lower court’s decision.

An appeal to a higher court challenges a lower court’s decision on a specific basis. There are many reasons why a decision handed down by a court may be challenged in a higher court if one can afford to do so. The reason(s) one is taking a challenge (appeal) to the next court level must be spelled out and explained in the request for a hearing.

The Supreme Court determined that the verdict in Brady v. Maryland would have been no different had the evidence been produced. However, the court ruled that it would have made a difference in the punishment and so it was material to the punishment decision.

“‘The Supreme Court ruled that withholding exculpatory evidence violates due process "where the evidence is material either to guilt or to punishment,”’ (Wikipedia).

It has been determined that allowing a Brady Cop to testify or present evidence in a case is material to the outcome of the case. Given that Brady cops by definition lack credibility, it is generally considered unwise to allow them to testify in a court proceeding. If the judge or jury is informed of their position as a Gypsy or Brady cop, the case is likely to fail, and withholding that information is dishonest and a violation of the court.

If it were discovered that a Brady cop had testified without informing the court of his or her status, there could be many different ramifications depending on when that information was discovered. The officer of the court (prosecutor or defense attorney) who puts the Brady cop on the stand is the person responsible for informing the court in advance of so doing.

The phrase “Brady cop,” refers to the decision in the Brady v. Maryland case where withholding exculpatory evidence was ruled a violation of a defendant’s right to a fair trial and that all material evidence must be presented. Material evidence in this context does not mean physical evidence necessarily, but evidence that is of crucial importance to the case.

If it was acknowledged that the cop they put on the stand was not trustworthy and had been known to lie in the past, it would destroy their case to allow him or her to testify. If that information were withheld and discovered later it would be even worse, so rather than deal with all that putting a Brady cop on the stand entails, they just do not do it because doing so could mean having the verdict overturned, the punishment modified, a retrial ordered, or possibly a criminal set free.

So Brady cops and Gypsy cops are basically cops that cannot be utilized in a court proceeding, or any time a credible entity is required to testify to something, whether verbally or in writing. Their witness and/or testimony is meaningless if it is known they are Brady cops, and could do irreparable harm if the information regarding their status is withheld and discovered later.


What Do All Those BIG Legal Terms Mean?

Exculpatory evidence — is evidence favorable to the defendant in a criminal trial that exonerates or tends to exonerate the defendant of guilt. It is the opposite of inculpatory evidence, which tends to prove guilt, (Wikipedia).

Material evidence — the facts or issues of a case . . . that can significantly affect its conclusion or outcome, (Law Dictionary).

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So what has all this to do with the subject? I was only explaining why some cops are referred to as Brady cops and how that name “Brady cop” came to be. It is based on the decision handed down by the Supreme Court of the United States in Brady v. Maryland.


Gypsy Cops are Never Identified to the Public but Do They Identify Themselves With Their Behavior?

Out of control when called to a pool party in McKinney, Texas in June 2015.
Out of control when called to a pool party in McKinney, Texas in June 2015. | Source

What Do YOU Think?

Should Gypsy Cops or Brady Cops Remain On the Police Force

  • Absolutely. We need more tough cops, not fewer!
  • Cops who abuse their authority, lie about facts or evidence, or break the law should not be allowed to continue in law enforcement.
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Why Are Gypsy and Brady Cops Retained?

The issue here, as this writer sees it, is why are there so many Gypsy or Brady cops on the payrolls and still on duty in police departments across this country? If these police officers cannot be trusted to carry out their responsibilities and duties in a professional way that follows procedures, and have proven time and again that is the case, why have they not been terminated to find other employment?

Gypsy or Brady cops have found to lie on interdepartmental reports and depositions. They have been known to use obscene language, to practice racism, and to abuse their power. They have been found to plant evidence or to lie about evidence. They have even been found in some cases to be involved in organized crime (drug dealing for one thing), or to be guilty of domestic violence against a spouse and/or children. Really, the list of possibilities for misbehavior are as many as there are Gypsy cops.

If there is proof that these ‘Gypsy cops’ are indeed guilty of one or more of the various offenses listed here, serious offenses that have been repeated, would it not make more sense to train someone new for the job? Perhaps if there were fewer Gypsy cops on our police forces across this country there would also be fewer accusations of police brutality. When video cameras are so prevalent it isn’t that hard to obtain proof.

It was a story in my local newspaper that inspired me to write about this subject. I had never heard either of the terms mentioned here before. I had a suspicion that some officers had a history of misbehavior of various types, but I did not know why they were being kept on in their respective police departments. I confess, I still do not know the answer to that.

The person reporting in my local paper said it was mostly small town police departments that were desperate to get certified officers because no one wanted to work for the lower wages and salaries they often paid and that they didn’t have the resources to make such exhaustive background checks before hiring someone. I understand the difficulty in finding people who are willing to accept the lower pay, but with today’s technology I find the argument of it being too difficult to do a thorough background check a little hollow.

Suggesting that only small towns have Brady cops doesn’t quite ring true to me either. It was admitted in my local newspaper story that in fact my city of 125,000 people employs Gypsy cops.

My purpose is to make sure as many people as possible know about this apparently common practice. Perhaps one of my readers has the information as to why this practice is so prevalent and could inform us all in a comment below — or write a hub response if that is preferable. I look forward to learning more about why Gypsy or Brady cops are still employed in government law enforcement.


Sources

Brady v. Maryland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_v._Maryland


Denton Record Chronicle

http://www.dentonrc.com/local-news/local-news-headlines/20150708-official-gypsy-cops-a-problem.ece


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Au fait 4 months ago from North Texas Author

Peggy W., thank you for sharing and pinning this article! It is sad that things have come to where we are now. The difference with bad eggs in other professions compared to law enforcement is that people don't usually die in those other professions because somebody got trigger happy.

Personally, I have had good relations with police thus far. I know they are having a time over black men being shot for no reason and that is a bad thing, no question about it, and the videos show in many cases that the shootings were deplorable and with no reason for them. What they aren't saying is that some cops are shooting people for no reason regardless of what color they are. I really think they need to vet their job applicants much better.

The whole situation is bad from every angle. Civilians regardless of color should not be shot just for the heck of it, and cops shouldn't be targeted because there are a few bad ones in the mix. Better to remove the bad ones and not endanger all of them because as you say, we do depend on them.

Was watching TV the night the 5 Dallas cops were killed and there were a couple of young black boys who said they wanted to be cops when they grew up. I don't think there's a shortage of people who want to go into law enforcement, but the vetting process needs to be much more stringent.


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Peggy W 4 months ago from Houston, Texas

I am sure that there are a few bad cops and they should be dealt with severely. The same could be said for every profession. What is happening now across our country is despicable! Law enforcement officers are being targeted and KILLED just because they wear a uniform! I cannot imagine youngsters growing up and wanting to become policemen. We obviously need them. What lies ahead is a murky path. Sad! Pinning to AH and will share.


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Au fait 5 months ago from North Texas Author

Kylyssa, thank you for reading and sharing your thoughts. Agree that whistle blowers should not be treated so badly in the first place. I'm wondering if they were to make their complaints through an attorney if they would be treated as badly? Usually if an employee reports an abuse and someone is officially watching, anything these observers witness that the company or it's agents do in the way of retribution is punished.


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Kylyssa 5 months ago from Overlooking a meadow near Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

The only problem with getting rid of "Gypsy" cops is that some police officers also get moved around a lot because they refuse to go along with abuses by other officers or refuse to turn a blind eye toward the abuses they witness. Whistle-blowers can easily end up being "Gypsy" cops if they work in the wrong place.


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Au fait 9 months ago from North Texas Author

Pinto2011, thank you for taking time to read this article and comment. Glad you found it informative!


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pinto2011 9 months ago from New Delhi, India

Nice to learn these terms and I certainly confer with your views.


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Au fait 9 months ago from North Texas Author

Shyron, thank you for commenting on this article. Good luck with your local issues. Hope something will come out well for you. Take care . . .


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Shyron E Shenko 10 months ago

Au fait, I think of this every time I see a cop.

Sorry I have not called you lately, I have been so busy with the local politics and the Kangaroo Court convened.

I will try to call you tonight.

Blessings and Hugs my dear friend.


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Au fait 10 months ago from North Texas Author

Stella (Ladyguitarpicker), agree with you completely. Thank you for taking time to read and comment on this article. Hope your new year is off to a great start!


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Au fait 10 months ago from North Texas Author

Thanks for stopping by Suj!


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ladyguitarpicker 10 months ago from 3460NW 50 St Bell, Fl32619

Au fait, I have never heard of Gypsy Cops or Brady Cops, but it does not surprise me. If the government can spend money on everything else it should help the states find honest police officers with a pay that does not hire the bottom of the barrel officers. This problem needs to be addressed and taken care of promptly. Great article, stella


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sujaya venkatesh 11 months ago

quite an interesting hub


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Au fait 11 months ago from North Texas Author

DDE, thank you for stopping by and for your kind compliments! Merry Christmas!


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DDE 12 months ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

This is new to me and you did a fine job writing this type o f hub.


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Au fait 13 months ago from North Texas Author

AudreyHowitt, thank you for commenting. Yes, dishonest cops are definitely a timely issue and probably always will be.


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AudreyHowitt 13 months ago from California

This is an area of the law that I know little about--but it seems timely and important--sharing this!


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Au fait 14 months ago from North Texas Author

Peachpurple, thanks for stopping in! You see it in the picture yourself. This incident was on the news for many days because one cop in particular had acted badly in the opinion of a lot of people. Believe me, some cops do worse things that sit on people.


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peachpurple 14 months ago from Home Sweet Home

really, can the cop stay on top of a civilian?


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Au fait 14 months ago from North Texas Author

RTalloni, thank you for reading and sharing your thoughts on this subject! I agree with all you say.


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Au fait 14 months ago from North Texas Author

MarleneB, thank you for reading this article and for sharing your thoughts on this important issue!


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RTalloni 14 months ago from the short journey

This is such an important topic to discuss. We need to be looking for viable solutions to the issues surrounding it. I had heard the terms applied to police before but have not done any real reading on it concerns. They are fairly obvious, though, aren't they. The questions you present are good ones to ponder.

We need to fund police departments well enough that they do not have to look for the cheapest hires they can find. Good policemen would really appreciate that and we would all be better off if we did it.

Of course, that idea opens up a whole new can of worms. Those in positions of deciding how much policemen get paid, how many are on duty, etc, get paid a lot of money for their much safer jobs. The problem is, we let that happen… So, will we demand that issue be solved rather than continuing to let those people make those decisions while giving themselves raises, more benefits, etc.

Thanks for posting lots of food for thought.


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Au fait 14 months ago from North Texas Author

Shyron, thank you for coming by and for your high praise!


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MarleneB 14 months ago from Northern California, USA

This is very informative. I've never heard of the term Gypsy Cop or Brady Cop. I just thought of them as "bad" cops. It is too bad they are kept on the force. They are supposed to represent the law and to protect us from harm by applying the law. But, nowadays, we don't know who to trust anymore.


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Au fait 14 months ago from North Texas Author

Sujaya Venkatesh, thank you for stopping by!


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Shyron E Shenko 14 months ago

I came back to re-read this, I can't believe it has been so long since I last read this. Funny how you find that you missed something from the first time, of course I could have forgotten what I thought I missed 2 months ago.

This is a really good article.

Hope you are well.

If I could vote this article up it would be ++++


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sujaya venkatesh 14 months ago

need a bit of ponderance


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Au fait 15 months ago from North Texas Author

Patricia (pstraubie48), I'm so glad you found some time to read and comment on this article. I hope your family issues will all turn out well and better than you might ever hope. I don't know what they are, but I'm guessing they're health related and you have my best wishes for the best possible outcome in that regard. May angels surround you at all times along with your loved ones and keep you all safe and close to God.


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pstraubie48 15 months ago from sunny Florida

Never heard of Gypsy Cops either, AuFait...and as always am so thankful that you keep us in the loop and open my eyes.

Who knew?

Thank you for sharing...

Angels are on the way to you this morning....and thank you for coming back to comment again...I am not on here so much as my family is once again having many issues. ps


Chris 16 months ago

The so called bad cop database is sorely needed here in NY. It's very difficult for lawyers and the Legal Aid Society to get their hands on the personnel records of police officers. Almost all personnel records on officers are hidden and can only be used in court with judicial approval. That puts defense lawyers at a major disadvantage. A national database that has information on every police officer in the nation would be the ideal though.


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Shyron, thank you for coming by and sharing your thoughts. I agree with what you say, and at the same time, shouldn't police officers be held to a higher standard?

As a CDL holder I was held to a higher standard because I had more driver's training, more responsibility, and more hours behind the wheel than the average driver. More was expected of me as a professional driver than is expected of the Class C driver's license holder. For one thing, I was expected to prevent accidents no matter who would be at fault if one should occur. If I were involved I would be assigned some of the guilt just for being involved. Professional drivers are supposed to know how to avoid being involved in accidents.

So I think, as Mary (Tillsontitan) expressed, it takes a very special kind of person to be a cop. To put up with all the crap they have to put up with every day all day long and at the same time risking their lives just by wearing the uniform. To do all that and remain professional through it all is no walk down Easy Street, but to do the job well and right, that is what is required.

Hopefully cops receive training on how to deal with people who bait them, because it must happen at least once everyday and twice on Sundays.

Hope you are taking care to stay cool. Blessings and hugs dearest friend . . .


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Word55, thank you for coming by. Good to see you! My references are posted for anyone who wants to check them or research this subject themselves.

My former husband was an appellate attorney and he said I should be a trial lawyer because I can think on my feet. Got too late of a start unfortunately.

Hope all is well with you!


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Mary (Tillsontitan), agree with you. Being a cop has to be one of the hardest jobs in the world -- sort of like being a mother -- and I think it does take a special kind of person to have the patience and maintain professionalism through it all.


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Paula (fpherj48), thank you for reading and commenting on this article and for the vote and the Tweet! I'm not really sure who started this practice first, the Papacy or the police departments. Both have been at it for a long time. I think before it will change as many people as possible need to be aware of it and informed about it, and that's what prompted me to write about it.


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Shyron E Shenko 16 months ago

I came back to re-read this. It is in my opinion that sometimes bad people join the police force with the idea that they will have the opportunity and a permit to do bad things and get away with it.

On the other side of the coin, there are people who provoke police officers to do things they would not otherwise think of doing.

Thumb-up UAI and shared.


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word55 16 months ago from Chicago

Nice going here Au Fait, you stated the truth without any doubt. You quality to be a prosecutor or even a good defense lawyer. However, on the side of justice where it is due. Thank you much for sharing!


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Paul Kuehn, thank you for reading and commenting on this article and for the vote and the shares! I think people should know what's going on. Maybe these cops are the reason for all the problems of brutality, etc., this year.


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tillsontitan 16 months ago from New York

I agree Aufait. It takes a special person with a special personality to be a cop, not everyone is cut out to do it and do it right.


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Mary (Tillsontitan), thank you for sharing your thoughts and for the votes. I agree with you and so I wonder why we are keeping bad cops. I think they should find other kinds of work. I don't believe they should be denied work as is so often the case when people get in trouble at work, but I do think they should be doing something with less authority for starters.


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fpherj48 16 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Oh HELL no!! We do not need any law enforcement officers or personnel who neglect and/or abuse the LAW.....this is an automatic "X".......out with them!

They just move them to another district and change their title or job description?? WTH? Is this a practice they picked up from observing the Catholic Church scuttle their pedophile priests around??

We know how well that worked out!

Excellent Topic to cover, Au fait and as always you did a stellar job!...UP + tweeted.


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Paul Kuehn 16 months ago from Udorn City, Thailand

This is a very interesting and useful hub which once again is well-written and researched. I definitely learned something and thank you for sharing this article. Voted up and sharing with HP followers and on Facebook.


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tillsontitan 16 months ago from New York

I cannot, for the life of me, understand wanting to keep a dishonest cop on the force. I don't care how big or small the department. This type of cop gives a bad name to police everywhere and is a danger to society in general.

Thanks for this comprehensive look at the problem.

Voted up, useful, and intereting.


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Peggy W 16 months ago from Houston, Texas

Like you I also feel sorry for all the good cops out there. Bad ones tarnish the image of good ones when people start thinking that they are all the same.

I answered your question as to how I am progressing with my website development on the Eaton Memorial hub with my linocut. One thing is certain...it takes a lot of time if one wishes to use already published content from elsewhere!

Pinning this to Awesome Hubpages.


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Peggy W., thank you for taking time to read/comment on this article. Also for the votes, the share, and for sharing your thoughts on this important issue. I agree with all you way. It is unfortunate that the behavior of the few reflect on the others. Frankly, I've never known any of the ones who were like what we are hearing in the news so often these days, but I know videos don't lie. But the Brady cops are the exception and the minority and we have to remember there are a lot of good cops out there trying to do their best everyday to serve the public.


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Ericdierker, thank you for sharing your thoughts on this article. I don't think most cops worry about ending up on the Brady List because doing one's job right is not what causes them to be listed there. Being truthful, respectful, honest, and conscientious is not what gets cops on the Brady List, so I can't imagine why any cop would fear behaving in that manner.


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Whonunuwho, thank you for sharing your thoughts on this important subject!


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

drbj, thank you for reading this article and for sharing your thoughts on it. Many of the small towns here aren't that far away and so there are a lot of applicants closeby if not living right in the specific town. There is a difference of $8,000 a year between what my town pays starting cops and what the town 5 miles from here pays. Pay has been sited as the main reason it's harder for small towns to get applicants as they often can't pay as much as the bigger towns.

There are about 40 miles between my small city of 125,000 and Dallas (or Fort Worth), which has a population in the millions. There are at least a dozen or more smaller town between here and Dallas or Fort Worth, so the pool is pretty large. The story that inspired me to write about gypsy cops was in my local newspaper about a week ago now. So there are plenty of applicants in this area, but the pay does vary considerably between the various cities in this area.

But, as the newspaper pointed out, our town has plenty of rogue or gypsy cops. Dallas has plenty too, and so do most towns of any size. Why keep them?

Sorry it has taken me so long to get to your comment, but there are usually a lot of comments on my new articles all at once, and they have to be approved. Whenever it takes more than a coupe of days, it's because there are several comments already received and it just takes a little while to get through them all. For a fast turnaround you need to be my first commenter. :)


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Bobby (Diogenes), thank you for reading and commenting on this article! The term 'gypsy' comes primarily because these cops are shuffled from one job or department within the police force to another, never staying in one place for long. The question is, if they repeatedly break regulations and laws, why are they shuffled around? Why are they not simply shuffled out? Yes, they are the same cops often referred to as rogue cops.

Always glad to hear your take on these things. Hope you are well and having a great summer. Take care . . xx


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Nadine May 16 months ago from Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa

Today I,m glad for the cell phone footage people manage to take in secret. Cops who abuse their authority, lie about facts or evidence should not be allowed to continue in law enforcement, but often they manage to escape due to many cover ups.


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Shyron, thank you for finding time to read and comment on this article. I thank you for your high praise also. Sounds like you had a pretty busy day, and I know you enjoyed spending time with your granddaughter and great granddaughter. Glad you did that and stayed in where it was cool for a while. Was good to talk to you for a few minutes las' night.

More blessings . . and take care . . .


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Learning Things Web, thank you for commenting on this article! The Slate article is simply using sensationalism to promote their story. "The Bad Cop Data Base" gets a lot more attention than if they said "The Brady Cop Database,"or "The Brady List Database," but they're the same thing. As I pointed out in this article, all prosecutors have a Brady List.

I would expect defense attorneys to have one too, or to know they should always do a background investigation on any and all witnesses provided by the prosecutor, cop or not. Usually the character of all witnesses is on trial if they take the stand to testify.

The bigger the city, the longer their Brady List is likely to be.


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

B. Leekley, thank you for taking time to read and comment on this article. Agree with everything you wrote.

Like Bill (billybuc), I think it's important to remember that there are a lot of good cops who work hard and risk their lives to do their jobs and do them well. Frankly, I've never personally known any of the bad cops we hear about so often on TV.

Just the same, I agree with all you have written when it comes to the Brady cops. I, too, was surprised at the use of the word gypsy in this case.


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Poetryman6969, thank you for reading and commenting and for the vote. I thought the same thing when I was first reading about gypsy cops, but I thought I probably shouldn't say it as some people prefer to forget. I wonder why some organizations move their bad eggs around. I'm thinking it's because they're trying to savage their image, but maybe it's something else. I didn't know the practice of moving those priests around had changed . . .


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drbj 16 months ago from south Florida

Hi, Au fait. I wrote a comment earlier but it seems to have disappeared so I will echo my thoughts again. Although the terms, Gypsy cops and Brady cops are new to me, the nature of most police work being what it is will always attract some applicants who may become rogues or renegades.

Particularly in small villages or towns where the applicant pool is minimal.


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Peggy W 16 months ago from Houston, Texas

Very interesting article. I had never heard of either term prior to reading this. It is a shame any law enforcement agency feels compelled to keep such people on their payrolls. I agree with you that they should find different types of work. It is also a shame that the few bad ones taint the image of all the good ones. We need all the good police that we can get. It is certainly a dangerous job and one in which they risk their lives for the rest of us. Up votes and sharing.


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Ericdierker 16 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Very interesting. I wonder if the threat of being labeled one of these cops is so high that it may make them fearful of being a proper cop. Isn't it only about 20% of all cops that actually work patrolling our streets?


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Billybuc, we're on the same page. Thank you for reading and sharing your thoughts on this important issue!


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Shyron, thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to check out this new article! And thank you for the votes and share.

Hope everything went well at the doc's. I have to see mine for the first time in a year tomorrow and I'm refusing to let them take my BP. Had enough of that.

$137 for 5 minutes face time with the doc. For that I get 2 new prescriptions written. It' pretty awful when a doc can write 2 puny prescriptions with maybe 5 words each on them at most, and get $137. Look at all the writing we rubbers do for pennies! Ours is so much more interesting and it's readable -- have you ever seen the hen scratching of doctors? Take care . . .


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whonunuwho 16 months ago from United States

Just as a few bad teachers make all look bad...so can a few bad apples or some who suffer mental problems, and unfortunately the entire country sees this and feels uneasy. The very job of policemen is so demanding and requires that they give so much every day and put their lives on the line. True, there are a few who let their job descriptions down and should be relieved of duty. Thanks for the timely message and article. whonu.


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drbj 16 months ago from south Florida

I have heard of 'renegade ' cops before but not with the terms you used, Au fait. I know that smaller municipalities often have difficulty recruiting new officers since their pool of applicants is relatively smaller. And my best guess is that with all the recent negativity surrounding the actions of 'big and little city cops,' that pool may not be increasing by much.


diogenes 16 months ago

HI Misty: Interesting subject for you.

As an avid reader and collector of US crime and detective novels, and picking the bones of truth from the fanciful narrative, it would seem that "gypsyism" and "bradyism" to coin words, are common in many police officers who load the evidence in the favour of the prosecution in courts across the land. Michael Connelly's Det. Bosch is one world-weary protagonist of his books who often protests about the loaded evidence of his fellow officers. James Lee Burke's characters have all been exposed to the action of rogue cops - those who now we perhaps call Gypsy and Brady offenders.

In the UK cops are generally more honest and also generally less effective that those across the pond who all too often seem to think guns and violence add up to good policing.

Well, I have been on both sides of the fence!

Bob x


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Shyron E Shenko 16 months ago

Au fait, this is an outstanding article and you have a lot of courage to write about Gypsy or Brady cops. I had not heard of either before, but have seen and heard of Chicago cops who went into the police force with high ideals and then turned into the term I heard was rogue cops or loose cannons.

I hope you are staying cool in this horrid heat wave.

Spent the day with my granddaughter yesterday and her husband and baby that was born. Today was doctor day then we took the dead mower to the recycle which was an ordeal. I don't want to go through that again.

Have a good night. Blessings and hugs dear friend.


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Learn Things Web 16 months ago from California

You should look up the Slate article "The Bad Cop Database." It's about a database system used in New York "aimed at helping defense attorneys question the credibility of police officers in court." It's something that should be done all over the country.


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Au fait 16 months ago from North Texas Author

Chantelle Porter, thank you for reading and commenting on this article! I have spoken with a handful of people who have heard the term gypsy cop before, but there have been many more who have not. As I said in this article, I had never heard it before, so I thought the whole issue needed to be aired so that as many people as possible would know the terminology and also the issue and give it some thought.

As Bill said, we have a lot of hard working good cops, and I don't want anyone to think I'm branding them all the same. However, I do think people need to think about what a good solution to this issue would be and let officials know what they want done about it.


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B. Leekley 16 months ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

C. E., thank you for this excellent, informative article.

The public should, I think, disapprove of the use of the term "gypsy cop" because it is likely to worsen prejudice against actual gypsies.

In my opinion, incompetent law enforcers should be fired or retrained. Evidence of incompetence, of unprofessionalism, includes use of unnecessary or excessive violence, behaving uncivilly toward anyone in any circumstance—derogatory name-calling, for instance, and failure to be evenhanded, such as showing clear statistical prejudice against or favoritism for persons of a particular group identity, such as race, ethnicity, class, or whatever. Like schoolteachers, officers of the law should be expected to show by example how to solve problems and disagreements without violence and with patience and respect. Of course, a police officer should be able to shoot first and straight or to use a blunt force trauma weapon if needs be. As with teachers, the more competent the officer, the less likely hir having to resort to violence.

Police chiefs who do not fire or retrain incompetent cops and arrest cops who commit battery, murder, and other crimes should be fired. City officials who do not fire police chiefs who do not fire or retrain incompetent cops and arrest criminal cops should be voted out of office. Prosecutors who do not prosecute criminal cops or who just go through the motions with no intention of getting a conviction or who are not evenhanded should be voted out of office. Corrupted and unequal law enforcement in city and town governments in the USA traces back mainly to the voters, I think mainly to prejudicial fears that property and business owners have of poor persons, especially poor persons of color.

Why cops act like gangster thugs without losing their jobs is in part explained in the book THE NEW JIM CROW by Alexander and in her talks shown on YouTube. The multiple cases in 2011 across the country of police thuggery against peaceful, law-abiding Occupy demonstrators protesting corruption is another example of Brady cops being used for social control on behalf of the upper class.


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poetryman6969 16 months ago

What you speak of reminds me of pedophile priests who before the modern era were simply shifted from parish to parish whenever they were found out. I hope they have fixed the priest problem.

Bad cops are a very serious problem because they can erode respect for authority.

Thanks for the info. Voted up.


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billybuc 16 months ago from Olympia, WA

it appears this is a huge problem in this country. By no means is it a reflection on all cops, but it is a big enough problem that it must be addressed in every police precinct in this country, and the sooner the better.


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Shyron E Shenko 16 months ago

Au fait, I will have to re-read this when we get back from the doctor.

Voted up, UABI and shared.


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Chantelle Porter 16 months ago from Chicago

What an interesting and timely article. I have never heard the term Gypsy Cops before. Thanks for sharing,

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