Legal Incense? Or Illegal Cannabis Sativa in a Different Package?

I cannot stress enough that this article is for education to NOT consume this stuff!

It is poison!

I have had a few comments that lead one to believe this is not a bad thing...this is a very bad thing...just read the list of ingredients...

I just wrote this after the latest comment and felt moved to add this to the top of this hub:

I approved your comment but disapprove of the content...the whole point of this is to educate that this is NOT safe nor good in any way...please do NOT consume this stuff or anything that will harm you..poison is poison no matter how pretty the packaging is...if I have in any way misconstrued my meaning in this hub I am so sorry this is not a good thing at all this is will not help you it will harm you do NOT consume this or anything like it!


Head Shops are NOW Smoke Shops

Funny; they look and smell and feel the same. Only differences are in the prices. Gracious sakes! Did you guys know that at a certain time NOT so Very Long Ago in this Universe you could order a water pipe out of the J C Penney catalog? With three pipes coming out of it and two ceramic bowls! I kid thee NOT! Still, one of my favorite stores...I miss my Penney's credit card almost as much as I miss....

Pardon me, lapse, temporary lapse was all that was, truly.

But last week at pool league; last one for me; I heard about this stuff called "K-2" that anyone can buy at the head shops and smoke. Supposedly you get the same effects as if you were smoking tetra hydra cannabinol. I wouldn't know as I am SO SURE NONE of you guys would either! So, being the inquisitive and research loving writer/nurse that I am I decided I better check it out.

NOT LIKE THAT! GEEZ! You guys never give me any breaks!! lol

Anyway I went to Moon on Grant, been there forever, as I mentioned and I know the dudes in there, some young, some not so young.

If there is anything anyone could say to kids that MIGHT have some effect is this:

"No, it won't kill you; No, it won't make you go into harder drugs, all that is your personal choice. What we know for a fact is that it stops you; in your tracks. One day you wake up and you are fifty and all you've done is smoke pot and hold the easiest job possible all your life and you are still living in a one room studio with Hendrix posters on the wall"

No that Hendrix is bad, he is wonderful....anyway

Back to this ....stuff.....Here are the ingredients of Red Bird Incense IN ORDER STRONGEST TO LEAST STRONGEST OR SHOULD I SHOW BIAS AND ADD NON POISONOUS?:


    Turnera diffusa, known as damiana, is a shrub native to central America, Mexico, South America, Caribbean. It belongs to the family Turneraceae

  2. Damiana is a relatively small shrub that produces small, aromatic flowers. It blossoms in early to late summer and is followed by fruits that taste similar to figs. The shrub is said to have an odor somewhat like chamomile due to an oil present in the plant. The leaves have traditionally been made into a tea which was used by native people of Central and South America for its aphrodisiac effects. Spanish missionaries first recorded that the Mexican Indians drank Damiana tea mixed with sugar for its ability to enhance lovemaking.


    Lactucariumis the milky fluid secreted by several species of lettuce, especially Lactuca virosa, usually from the base of the stems. Lactucarium is known as lettuce opium because of its sedative and analgesic properties. It has been reported to promote a mild sensation of euphoria, but Lactuca virosais poisonous, and at least one fatality has occurred during an attempt to use it for intoxication.Because it is a latex, Lactucarium physically resembles opium, in that it is excreted as a white fluid and can be reduced to a thick smokeable solid.


    Mugwort is often said to derive from the word "mug" because it was used in flavoring drinks. However, this may be a folk etymology. Other sources say Mugwort is derived from the old Norse muggi, meaning "marsh", and Germanic "wuertz", meaning "root", which refers to its use since ancient times to repel insects, especially moths The Old English word for mugwort is "mucgwyrt" where "mucg-" could be a variation of the Old English word for midge "mycg". Wort comes from the Old English "wyrt" (root/herb/plant) which stems from the Old High Germany "wurz" (root) and the Old Norse "urt" (plant).Mugwort is called chornobylnikin Ukranian, and has given its name to the abandoned city of Chornobyl (Chernobyl in Russian). The name cherobyl has an interesting history, meaning "place where mugwort grows" in the related Indo-European languages


    The family Passifloraceae is found worldwide except in Antarctica, and Passiflorais absent from Africa though many other members of the family Passifloraceae exist there (e.g. the more plesiomorphic Adenia).

    Nine species of Passiflora are native to the USA, found from OHIO to the north, west to California, and south to the Florida Keys. Most (seventeen) other species are found in South America, China, Southern Asia, New Guinaea, Australia and in New Zealand. New species continue to be identified: for example, P. pardifolia and P xishuangbannaensis have only been known to the scientific community since 2006 and 2005, respectively.

    Species of Passiflora have been naturalised beyond their native ranges. For example, Blue Passion Flower (P. caerulea) now grows wild in Spain The purple passionfruit (P. edulis) and its yellow relative flavicarpa have been introduced in many tropical regions as commercial crops.

    The bracts of the Stinking Passion Flower are covered by hairs which exude a sticky fluid. Many small insects get stuck to this and get digested to nutrient-rich goo by proteases and acid phosphates. Since the insects usually killed are rarely major pests, this passion flower seems to be a protocarnivorous plants, the passion fruit or maracuja (P. edulis) is cultivated extensively in the Caribbean, Florida, South Africa for its fruit, which is used as a source of juice. A small purple fruit which wrinkles easily and a larger shiny yellow to orange fruit are traded under this name. The latter is usually considered just a variety flavicarpa, but seems to be more distinct in fact


    Mentha spicata (Spear Mint or Spearmint) is a species of mint native to much of Euope, Southwest Asia and is considered invasive in the Great Lakes region where it was first sighted in 1843

    The name 'spear' mint derives from the pointed leaf tips

    Recent research has shown that spearmint tea may be used as a treatment for mild hirsutism (hair on face) in women. Its anti-androgenic properties reduce the level of free testosterone in the blood, while leaving total testosterone and DHEA unaffected

    Spearmint has been studied for antifungal activity; its essential oil was found to have some antifungal activity, although less than Oregon Its essential oil did not show any evidence of mutagenicity in the Ames Test Spearmint has also been described as having excellent antioxidant activity; its antioxidant activity was found to be comparable to the synthetic BHT Due both to its antioxidant activity and its common use to season lamb in Indian cuisine, it has been studied as an additive to radiation-processed lamb meat, and was found effective in delaying oxidation of fats and reducing formation of harmful TBARS


It is widely grown as a fodder crop, valued for its nitrous fixation which increases soil fertility. For these reasons it is used as a green manure crop. Several cultivar groups been selected for agricultural use, mostly derived from var. sativum. It has become naturalised in many temperate areas, including America and Australia as an escape from cultivation.

Red clover restores and balances hormonal function and nourishes the uterus. Red Clover contains isoflavones (estrogen-like compounds) which promote estrogen production and which may enhance fertility in women and boost estrogen levels in women with estrogen deficiencies. In addition, the Red Clover contains calcium and magnesium which can relax the nervous system and improve fertility. Traditionally, Red Clover has been administered to help restore irregular menses and to balance the acid-alkaline level of the vagina to promote conception.[1]

The isoflavones and phytoestrogens from red clover have been used to treat the symptoms of menopause It has also been reported that red clover has been used for a variety of medicinal purposes, such as bronchitis, burns,cancers,ulcers,sedation, asthma and syphilis

It is an ingredient in eight-herb essiac tea.It is the national flower of Denmark and state flower of Vermont


Motherwort has a long history of use as a herb in traditional medicine in Central Europe, Asia and North America. Like many other plants, it has been used for a variety of ills, and consumed. Midwives use it for a variety of purposes, including uterine tonic and prevention of uterine infection in women, hence the name Motherwort.

The herb contains the alkaloid leonurine which is a mild vasodilator and has a relaxing effect on smooth muscles. For this reason, it has long been used as a cardiac tonic, nervine, and an emmenagogue. Among other biochemical constituents, it also contains bitter iridoid glycosides,diteripoids flavonoids (including rutin, quercetin), tannis colatile oils, and vit A (this is an oil non soluble vitamin which is toxic if taken in large amounts.).

Yìmǔcǎo enters the Bladder, Heart and Liver meridians in TCM theory. As a blood invigorator, it is currently used to regulate menstruation involving blood stasis, for post partum abdominal pain, for Damp heat skin conditions, and as a diuretic to reduce swelling and oedema.

8. CHAMOMILE=CAMOMOLIE=(COPIED FROM WIKIPEDIA) The Medline Plus database maintained by the US Nat Library of Medicine, in conjunction with the NIH, lists over 100 separate ailments and conditions which chamomile has been traditionally used, for which it lists only a few as having undergone scientific study on animals and/or humans. Moreover, through the Medline Plus database, these agencies explicitly warn, "although chamomile is widely used, there is not enough reliable research in humans to support its use for any condition." Of the dozens of traditional claims listed, this database explicitly lists only fifteen conditions in which any animal or human scientific testing has ever been done and it ranked one negatively as having "Fair scientific evidence against" such a use (Post-operative sore throat/hoarseness due to intubation). In short, according to these two agencies, there remains insufficient scientific studies to produce a medical recommendation for any medicinal or therapeutic use of chamomile in extract, ointment or infusion.

Medline Plus and The National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine further caution of rare allergic reactions, atopic dermatitis (skin rash), drowsiness or sedation, the potential to stimulate the uterus, leading to abortion and the unevaluated safety of breastfeeding while taking chamomile although some sources do not contraindicate breastfeeding Interactions with other herbs and medicines has not been well studied for chamomile.

9. PEPPERMINT=MENTHA PEPERITA= (COPIED FROM WIKIPEDIA) The toxicity studies of the plant have received controversial results. Some authors reported that the plant may induce hepatic diseases, while others found that it is of protective functions against the liver damages which are caused by heavy metal inductions In addition to that, the toxicities of the plant seem to variate from one cultivar to another and are dose dependent. This is probably attributed from the content level of pulegone Some of the toxic components may come from herbicides.

Peppermint has a long tradition of medicinal use, with archaeological evidence placing its use at least as far back as ten thousand years ago Peppermint has a high mentol content, and is often used as tea, and for flavouring ice cream, candy, chewing gum and toothpaste It is the oldest and most popular flavour of mint-flavoured confectionery. Peppermint can also be found in some shampoos and soaps, which give the hair a minty scent and produce a cooling sensation on the skin.

Freeze-dried leaves

In 2007, Italian investigators reported that 75% of the patients in their study who took peppermint oil capsules for four weeks had a major reduction in irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) symptoms, compared with just 38% of those who took a placebo.

Similarly, some poorly designed earlier trials found that peppermint oil has the ability to reduce colicky abdominal pain due to IBS Peppermint flowers are large nectar producers and honey bees as well as other nectar harvesting organisms forage them heavily. A mild, pleasant varietal honey can be produced if there is a sufficient area of plants.

Peppermint oil is used by commercial pesticide applicators, in the EcoSmart Technologies line of products, as a natural insecticideOutside of its native range, areas where peppermint was formerly grown for oil often have an abundance of feral plants, and it is considered invasive in Australia, Glapagos, New Zealand and the USA


"Leonotis leonurus is a shrubby perennial growing 2-3 meters tall and producing red, orange, yellow, or white tubular flowers. The dried flowers, when smoked, provide a mild sedation reminiscent of Cannabis. They have a history of use in S. Africa as an intoxicant." THIS SITE URL IS AS FOLLOWS: Nymphaea caerulea, an aquatic flower This lotus is used to produce perfumes since ancient times; it is also used in aromatherapy. Recent studies have shown Nymphaea caerulea to have mild psychoactive properties. It may have been used as a sacrament in ancient Egypt and certain ancient South American cultures. Eating Blue Lotus can act as a mild sedative. Nymphaea caerulea is distantly related to, and possesses similar activity as Nelumbo nucifera, the Sacred Lotus. Both Nymphaea caerulea and Nelumbo nucifera contain the alkaloids nuciferine and aporphine.[3] The mildly sedating effects of Nymphaea caeruleamakes it a likely candidate (among several) for the lotus plant eaten by the mythical Lotophagi in Homer's Odyssey. Used in aromatherapy, Nymphaea caeruleais purported to have a "divine" essence, bringing heightened awareness and tranquility.[citation needed] Some sources site it as an antispasmodic similar to copal resin. In modern culture, blue lotus flowers are used to make various concoctions including blue lotus tea, wine and martinis. Recipes for such drinks involve steeping or soaking the petals for up to 3 weeks. Blue lotus tea is prepared by boiling the entire flowers for 10–20 minutes. Nymphaeanouchali, an aquatic flower The Red and blue water-lily is used as an ornamental plant because of its spectacular flowers. It is also popular as an aquarium plant under the name "Dwarf Lily" or "Dwarf Red Lily".[4] Sometimes it is grown for its flowers, while other aquarists prefer to trim the lily pads, and just have the underwater foliage. Nymphaeanouchali is considered a medicinal plant in Indian Ayurvedic medicine under the name Ambal; it was mainly used to treat indigestion.[5] Recent experiments have confirmed that it has medicinal qualities as an antihepatotoxic and antidiabetic.[6][7] Like all waterlilies or lotuses, its tubers and rhizomes can be used as food items; they are eaten usually boiled or roasted. In the case of the Red and blue water-lily, its tender leaves and flower peduncles are also valued as food.[8] The dried plant is collected from ponds, tanks and marshes during the dry season and used in India as animal forage Nelumbo nucifera, an aquatic flower The distinctive dried seed heads, which resemble the spouts of watering cansphoto, are widely sold throughout the world for decorative purposes and for dried flower arranging. The flowers, seeds, young leaves, and "roots" (rhizomes) are all edible. In Asia, the petals are used sometimes for garnish, while the large leaves are used as a wrap for food. In Korea, the leaves and petals are used as a tisane. Yeonkkotcha (연꽃차) is made with dried petals of white lotus and yeonipcha (연잎차) is made with the leaves. The rhizome (called ǒu (藕) in pinyin Chinese, ngau in Cantonese, bhe in Hindi, renkon (レンコン, 蓮根 in Japanese), yeongeun (연근) in Korean) is used as a vegetable in soups, deep-fried, stir-fried, and braised dishes and the roots are also used in traditional Asian herbal medicine. Petals, leaves, and rhizome can also all be eaten raw, but there is a risk of parasite transmission (e.g., Fasciolopsis buski): it is therefore recommended that they be cooked before eating. Lotus rootlets are often pickled with rice vinegar, sugar, chili and/or garlic. It has a crunchy texture with sweet-tangy flavours. In Asian cuisine, it is popular with salad, prawns, seasame oil and/or coriander leaves. Lotus roots have been found to be rich in dietary fiber, vitamin C, potassium, thiamin, riboflavin, vitamin B6, phosphorus, copper, and manganese, while very low in saturated fat.[citation needed] The stamens can be dried and made into a fragrant herbal tea called liánhuā cha (蓮花茶) in Chinese, or (particularly in Vietnam)[citation needed] used to impart a scent to tea leaves. The lotus seeds or nuts (called liánzĭ, 蓮子; or xian liánzĭ, 鲜莲子, in Chinese) are quite versatile, and can be eaten raw or dried and popped like popcorn, phool makhana. They can also be boiled until soft and made into a paste, or boiled with dried longans and rock sugar to make a tong sui (sweet soup). Combined with sugar, lotus seed paste becomes one of the most common ingredients used in pastries such as mooncakes, daifuku, and rice flour pudding The Blue Lotus, a book in the Tintin series The Blue Lotus (French: Le Lotus bleu), first published in 1936, is one of The Adventures of Tintin, a series of classic comic-strip albums written and illustrated by Hergé featuring young reporter Tintin as a hero. It is a sequel to Cigars of the Pharaoh, with Tintin continuing his struggle against a major gang of drug smugglers. The story also highlights the Japanese invasion of Manchuria. The Blue Lotus is a pivotal work in Hergé's career, moving away from the stereotype and loosely connected stories and marking a new found commitment to geographical and cultural accuracy. The title, Blue Lotus, refers to the name of an opium den, itself a reference to the blue lotus. 12. SKULLCAP=SCUTELLARIA=(COPIED FROM WIKIPEDIA=Scutellaria is a genus of about 300 species of plants commonly known as skullcaps, MOST OF WHICH ARE POINONOUS!!!!



Is This Amusing to Anyone Else?

At first I thought I would let the facts speak for themselves but then I really started to laugh and to cry.

So here is my take on the whole thing.

  1. poisons
  2. estrogen
  3. testosterone
  4. edible
  5. medicinal
  6. euphoric
  7. "similar to" marijuana
  8. natural insecticide
  9. herbicidal
  10. treats symptoms of menopause

That's a nice list. The one that worries me, as  a nurse and a mother and a grandmother, besides number 9. is 1, 2, 3 and 5. Not only due to their effects but due to their poisonous effects as well as their ability to look like another herb even worse than the one listed!

So, the question of the day is:

"Do you know what incense is in your home?"

What do you think? Should DEA and ATF look into this incense "similar to" cannabis?

See results without voting

July, 2010

 It has been several months since this article was first written. This morning on Good Morning  America there was a small bit about K 2. red bird and others of this type of "Incense" being sold. There has been 560 reports to emergency rooms of teenagers having "seizures and dangerously high heart rates" to the effect that now some states have banned the incense sell altogether. Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee were listed, with Kansas being the first state to ban the substance.

The only problem now, being that other states are waiting for the government to get involved with federally funded studies to determine the true side effects of smoking the incense.

Good Morning America interviewed young people on the streets to ask about their opinion, with the answer being unequivocally that of it is safe to smoke this substance.

What do you think?

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Rochelle Frank 6 years ago from California Gold Country

This is so far outside of my experience that I can't make an intelligent comment. I never used or experienced incense and don't even know what marijuana smells like.

You are saying that it is being sold as an innocent air-freshener type of product?

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prasetio30 6 years ago from malang-indonesia

Nice information. I found great plant review from this hub. excellent and well written. Thank you very much

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maggs224 6 years ago from Sunny Spain

Hi Barbara, I echo Rochelle's comment, I know that incense sticks usually give me a headache. Though after reading this Hub, I now understand why the carpet layer made the comments that he did. My daughter use to burn incense sticks in her Hippie Chick phase, nowadays it is scented candles. I remember when we were having a carpet laid the chap that was laying the carpet made a reference to a cannabis smell emanating from our Sally's bedroom, and it was these incense sticks that she was burning. I hadn’t a clue then and I am no wiser now as to what cannabis smells like, however, I found this Hub very interesting and informative, written in your own humorous and very readable style, excellent as usual.

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ethel smith 6 years ago from Kingston-Upon-Hull

Well incense stickes were burnt to hide the smell of pot in my mis spent youth so this confuses me. I think it needs investigating though

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

Rochelle and Maggie I am glad you are both so very I said before many times it scares me to think of what my kids and my grandkids are and will be doing in "their misspent youth" as Ethel remarked...that cannabis incense being sold today as incense is not being burned in the nice incense is being put into their pipes and smoked...that's really scary...and prosetio 33 thank you always for your kind comments...

Maggie... Rochelle...remember the roaring 20's stories your grandparents told while you guys were under the table evesdropping about the "smoke dens"? that was weed, pot, smoke, marijuana...long time 'herb' haha that stops you in your tracks...the theory of my generation of the govt bringing it into the usa was to use it as a way to make us all didnt work...hence, Ethel, the methadrone(article was wonderfully researched and written byw) and in this country it is very deadly..meth in any form will do what whomever was in control of the drugs, mafia, govt, was hoping would happen...make us zombies...weed will not do just makes everything funny but man will you wake up in a hurry in an emergency and presto/straight thinking therefore, unable to control. the thing for the majority of mine and ethels gen that woke us up were they will straighten your butt out!!! lol...

ethel rothfl my david says tell you not to do personal investigation lol...just a joke ethel!!!!!!!!!! he bout died when I told him I was going to investigate this at the moon head shop when I heard about it at pool night/had to debate and defend the theory and need of this aarticle for six days beofre he said "oh all right you'll do it anyway but I am coming with you!" so funny to watch as if it were his very first time/kept looking over his shoulder it was so cute...

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GusTheRedneck 6 years ago from USA

RNMSN - Doggone good article, this one. Back in the 1930s and 40s folks used to inhale smoke generated by burning little sticks containing the dried leaves of "Datura stramonium" (also called Jimson weed or loco weed, a common plant) to open up the lungs in cases of asthma and the like. Before then, marijuana was used in much the same way. Both have now been supplanted by various prescription meds.

Gus :-)))

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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Looking at your list of ingredients I think I would prefer to trust pure old fashioned cannabis grown in the back garden, for at least you know what it contains.

Smoking cannabis is no more of a problem that having an occasional beer, it's the dependency (of either substance) which causes the problems, and unfortunately most folk cannot control their intake of substances, alcoholic or cannaboid.

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Smireles 6 years ago from Texas

Thanks for your excellent article on the subject and your diligent research! haha! I do not know anything about this either but it made very good reading. Sandra

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

sandra you cant fool a fooler lol just kidding I love you/good to hear from you/been too long!!

aqauasilver I agree!!!totally!!!

gus you are so cute love to you and thank you for the good know datura or wedding bell bush is no longer allowed in Florida and the "authotities " encourage you to get it out of your yard...because kids are eating the root/hallucenogenic

what about that? seems to me this ins bill could have done a lot better than fine all of us 3 grand for NOT gettting insurance!!! eh?

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Rochelle Frank 6 years ago from California Gold Country

" Rochelle...remember the roaring 20's stories your grandparents told while you guys were under the table evesdropping about the "smoke dens"? that was weed, pot, smoke, marijuana.."

My parents were born between 1912-- 1917 they didn't smoke anything. Nope... I guess my grandparents had a different experience-- my grandmother drank an occasional beer-- and my parents drank alcohol occasionally. Never heard about drugs at all until I was in college-- and still never contacted any. We must have lived on the fringe of something.

Or maybe this was not as common as you think. I'm not saying it didn't exist, and I'm sure this is a problem in too many places. I know by experience that it was not everywhere in all times.

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the rock says-238 6 years ago from bronx,ny

I hope im not the only one who enjoys a little pot every now & then..... maybe I shouldn't have said that, lol just kidding, but seriously coming from a marijuana expert/college student (same difference)I really enjoyed your article very informative im not even mad about the part with the Hendrix posters, there's alot of truth in that as well.

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

sorry Rochelle, did not mean to insult you or your parents etc Im sorry please forgive

rock yOu are just plain baddddd lol love to you both!!!

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

Bri, I am deleting your comment related to the expletive...rewrite it without it and I will approve it even if I do not approve of the content itself, if you catch my drift

David Bankson 6 years ago

Marijuana in the 20's was being smoked predominately by the upper-class, by the way.

I had Red Bird, once, because someone told me it had no difference from marijuana, despite looking and smelling completely different. After smoking a joint of it with 2 others, we all felt like we had gotten a very nice high, and we felt great for about 30 minutes, about what you would expect from the cheaper pot out there, although the high felt a lot cleaner.

Can't say I test my baggie of greens for the number of herbicides and insecticides in it in the first place, so to hear that there are some in this doesn't really shock me. Most plants we ingest today are full of things we've never heard of that aren't really safe for human consumption in large amounts. None of us have had any negative side effects from it, and hey, it's keeping us away from illegal stuff now! So no more paranoia, no more failed drug tests.

I don't really understand why you say that a marijuana high is hard to control...I've never had an issue with it, and I don't smoke all the time or anything, just here and there. Of all the drugs I've tried over the years, it seems to be the easiest one to control. I'd trust Red Bird over morphine, anyway.

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

David (such a good name!!!..hubby and bro and son with that name lol) thank you for this most informative comment!! didnt know it was upper class use in the 20's...oh well...the depression changed a lot of that eh? just as it is doing now...I am glad to hear you only indulge every now and a mom I say none..fotfl I tell baby girl now 27 no sex drugs or rock and roll no driving fast no tats (fat lotagoodthatdid)and just kiddin on the rock and roll and be home before dark and have a good time

lol...she still loves me though thank goodness...and love to you too david bankson!! bb

David Bankson 6 years ago

Well thanks for the article, so I could let all my friends know what is actually in this stuff...they are now all wanting to grow some lion's tail in their yards to save the money! Since this sort of stuff costs $10-15/gram, sheesh...

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

great just like any other frustrated parent here I am hopng to write something to deter not only sheeshstuff sold that will mess with your head but also stop you from inhaling the stuff your parents cough cough inhaled at the same time

and what go on and say great lets do it!!!! I am sooooo frustrated!! I will just have to treat you like my own and say don't do anything and have a nice time lol

David Bankson 6 years ago

I apologize, I had understood it that you were open to other's opinions in the comments. Feel free to delete my comments at your discretion.

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

silly thing that was just me being a mom and trying to play but messed it up per usual!!! I appreciate all your comments!!

David Bankson 6 years ago

lol, no problem, my apologies. Here's the wiki link btw:

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

cool thanks david bankson!! and member..if you need a momma thought I am full of them!! lol love to

actual reader of texts 6 years ago

it says that most of the ingredients in this red bird are for medicinal use. how do we know alcohol isn't worse than this?

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

good point and point taken here is the site I find that answers your question...alcohol has less than 3 ingredients as a rule/sake has only one/rice...its the fermentation process that increases the alcohol content and we know the harm abuse does as far as alcohol is concerned...and the term for medicinal use was tagged there because the FDC doesn't regulate herbal concoctions...its a scam in other words a way to use poison under a pretty careful says this mean ole nurse! don't touch it!!!! its a snake in the grass!! love to you and thank you for the comment and here's the site barbara b

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

I approved your comment but disapprove of the content...the whole point of this is to educate that this is NOT safe nor good in any way...please do NOT consume this stuff or anything that will harm you..poison is poison no matter how pretty the packaging is...if I have in any way misconstrued my meaning in this hub I am so sorry this is not a good thing at all this is will not help you it will harm you do NOT consume this or anything like it!

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PassinItAlong 6 years ago

Thanks for the information!

People should be more cautious these incense could have more dangers than marijuana.

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

Thank you!! Thats exactly what I was trying to say!! bless you and love to you PassinitAlong!!

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

I just deleted a comment because it was an advertisement for incense/this is not the place for any solicitation

Jason P 6 years ago

My dad use to smoke cannabis for about 15 years. He said a doctor told him it would be fine to do so as long as he can keep it to a max of, I don't remember exactly, 4 times per week...

In any case, as I got older I realised my dad had changed quite a bit. He seemed to forget things quickly, and his mind was not always 100%

And no, it's was not because of some other disease or something if your wondering.

Cannabis caused it and it lead to some relly bad things which Im not going to mention here now.

I don't care what anyone says about it, I KNOW it's not good for you!

But hey, it's up to you to decide for yourself!

Just don't say you have not been warned!

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

there you way to go!!you rock girl!!! everybody has to grow up and take responsibility for ther own actions right? love to yu barbara b

rookie 6 years ago

Thanks I tried K4 the other night and purchased from the head shop. I even asked the workers what do they put in this stuff. Nobody really knows. If they are packaging this this in other countries I couldn't imagine what other type of drugs are in it. Wasn't it a toy years ago that was made with the date rape drug in it? I smoked it I got a buzz but it didn't last long. I wish someone would test this stuff. The guy that created it in a lab at the university knows the ingredients and should know the side effects. I wonder why he hasn't said if its good or bad. This stuff has to be bad for you.

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

of course it is bad for you/otherwise the FDA would have tested and passed it!

herbal compounds are the only ones "under the radar" so to speak

but remember LSD was legal also/and what do we think about that drug now?

cannabis by itself is one thing/putting a bunch of poisonous herbs together and calling it "good" is a scam/a snake oil purchase

be careful!! snakes bite!!!

getting high is not the way you really want to live your life is it?

all it does is keep you stagnant/you wont grow or learn the lesons we are here in this body on this earth to learn

there.... so much for the nurse and the momma lecture :)

love to you!! barbara b

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

this is too funny!! cant leave a true name or even a good fake avatar and was so high he or she posted the comment twice lol

now can we rest the case?

TOO funny and right after California did NOT pass the legalization of marijuana

well there was a reason why us "older women" used to say "lets get stupid" before we got high!!

my GPA in grad school was 4.0...without dope; Dope

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

I just had to delete a comment/which I rarely do

not because of the comment itself but because of the cursing used in the comment

I reiterate that although everyone/well many peple at any rate/ will experiment with many different substances during their lifetime and without any ill effects there are some substances that should be held up as a warning to everyone NOT to use

This hub was written as a warning that if any substance is misused it can and will lead to many serious ill effects

This hub was also written as a way to educate everyone of the ingredients in K-2 and other legal incense that is being sold but is being used as an inhalation and a way to get high rather than as an incense

This hub is a way to warn that using products like K-2 have lead to dangerous consequences

This hub was also written as a humorous look back at my own ill spent youth as a way to try and stop others, especially younger people from making poor life choices

Saying that this hub is not open minded or is a biased report is incorrect. Writers write best what they know best/they write from their own life choices/getting angry about the message imparted only shows your own immaturity and using foul language will get your comments banned from this writers hub and from any other hub

Open up your own mind and use your own brain to comment rationally and objectionally and your comments will be welcomed

love and peace to you all

barbara b

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Happyboomernurse 6 years ago from South Carolina

Hi Barbara,

It really is amazing how people can read the same thing and come away with totally different messages.

Maybe the new paragraph you added in the beginning of this hub will help clarify the message you were trying to impart, but I wouldn't count on it.

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

I know, sort of like the game we used to play where everyone is in a circle and a"secret" gets whispered and then see what turns out to be by the time it comes bacl to the "messsenger" eh?

trouble is the purpose of that game was to try and impart the importance of active listening...somehow I think we are still "working" on that!!

ah communication, as nurses how many inservices/lectures a year do we get on that?

Much love to you happyboomernurse!!

barbara b

mike 6 years ago

Yes lots of unexpierenced uneducated people (in regards to the topic at hand) have dived head first into thease legal incence without any expectations of their effects. "Oh my i'm high" this is scary better call 911 only to go to the emergency room and one hour later the effects are gone and their released. When your scared yes your heart rate is elevated, even when your waching a scary movie sober this happens. Do you have any hard scientific evidence (not wiki articles)of the toxicity and long term health effects of thease products? No, a mainstream 20 second news report that someone got high and scared is not scientific proof of toxicity. Sorry if my GPA is not

"HIGH" enoph to post here, and no i could care less about grammer or spell check.

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

no, this is still new and no one has hard scientific evidence at this is only in this year it was even brought up on the media....I haven't mentioned anything about grammar check or spell check/goodness knows my typing sucks at times...the GPA comment was specifically to someone who mentioned his own I have written before this is not meant to offend it is meant to inform

that's what nurses do best...let you know what is ging to happen and try to hope the information helps people make as an informed decision as possible...its still free will after all...I just want to help

shawn 6 years ago

Get a life

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

I have one

geez I think I will end up having to delete this is not being taken in the manner in which it was written or in the way I hoped it to be received...this is a teaching article you guys...that's all...just a list of ingredients and what they will do to your body along with a warning that if you do ingest these so called legal herbs into your body you are inhaling a poisonous and possibly dangerous combination of herbs!!!!!! and as a mother I beg all of you young people to think before you REACT

cause thats what you guys are doing...reacting...not thinking, not analyzing the written material; just skimming through it and when it says DON'T your minds shut down and you say get a life/get open minded/stop being a stick in the mud

well someone needs to pull their heads out of the sand...and since I pulled mine out back in 1976 I would hazard a guess it is YOUR turn!!!

I'd like to turn you on does not necessrily mean what you think it means/think on this

best shit ever 6 years ago

try it you'll like it

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

"no thank you please it only makes me sneeze

and then it make it hard to find the door"

anything synthethic is bound wth more toxins and more problems and more poisons than the original packaging

and the original packaging comes with its own set of problems

which is the actual bottom line of this hub!!

how long will it take

how many lives will it take

before mankind figures out that something that is mind altering is not necessarily the correct answer to all of mankinds problems???????????????

corey 6 years ago

ok just to start off every thing you listed as an ingredient is all natural herbs. Are they not? Then the "poisons" you claim are only derivitives from those natural herbs. the same with the herbicide. wouldn't you like to use an oil from a plant on your vegitation that millions of people are going to consume.... heck of alot better than chemicals. most of all ingredients i read that you posted were used for some kind of natural treatment back in the day. Just figure a nurse would stand up for the pharmicutical companies that have destroyed our country. you legalize marijuana and you cut down on crime rate, the use of harder drugs, violence, and all the things that come with drug trades for the most part. and until that happens what is wrong with a legal form of all natural herbs that do the same thing and this article may be old but there are ALOT of new types of this stuff and it has not just come out. They have made this stuff for many years ive seen articles on "high times" many years ago selling legal weed or thc-less weed as they claimed it at the time. there have been many studies done google jwh-.018 it is a chemical that was banned that was being sprayed on these herbs to increse the effects. However the effects are still there even after this ban. all i have to say is that anything you smoke is dangerous for your body... hell going to work in rush hour traffick is 10x more dangerous than any drug in the world. with that being said i suggest you get information from correct sources (that are out there by the way) instead of using user posted bs from wiki. thanks and have a merry christmas

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

Corey I defend your right to your opinion

it is not mine

I liked reading high times in the day as well...

experience being the best teacher

I must also stand by my opinion

I hope your Christmas is good too, thank you for the felicitations/don't work too hard!

derek 6 years ago

is it bad for you?....yes. could it kill you?....possibly. but sir if you are implying that marijuana is a poison then you should go back to school and do your homework next time

derek 6 years ago

I have just commented but i would like to add a few things. honestly i don't think that anyone here is qualified to say, "hey this is bad for you" or "this is good for you". and the reason being, that, to my knowledge, you aren't a genius or a chemist or a doctor. listen, i do a lot of things with computers and I personal know, (i am an IT specialist that graduated from kaplan university with an associates degree) that anyone can make anything up on the internet. I can say that Hitler was born in 2010 on wiki, or i could make a copy of your facebook page and not many people would know the real one from the fake one. my point is unless you are an expert in chemicals or bio science, you don't have enough knowledge to make an accurate opinion.

*note: I have tried k-2 and although i was high, it wasn't a pleasant high. i actually believed i was going to die.

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author


so it was bad for you?

that's what I was trying to say

I appreciate your standing behind my message thank you!!! and especially

thank you for clearing it up for everyone else! K2 and products like it are bad for you as evidenced by an actual event from Derek!!

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Micky Dee 6 years ago

Nice article! I've not heard of this "incense" at all. It could be used wrong like airplane model glue. Adults should always be honest in advising their children.

But about marijuana and memory - I see no point in... well I can't remember what I was going to say.

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

lol thank goodness and thank you Mickey Dee!!!

it has gotten to the point I dread opening this hub to see what the comments are like!!

I am so glad you are enlightened !!!

love to you and thank you again!!

barbara b

not a  6 years ago

ya, know what? nobody has died from smoking these products, and nobody has died from smoking marijuana, yet millions die yearly from smoking legal tobacco cigarettes and alcohol related deaths, so if you can honestly validate making and keeping this synthetic and natural marijuana ilegal, and then explain why anybody can go to the store, buy a gallon of whisky, and kill themselves by drinking it in one night, please, by all means, do tell..

truth of the matter is in a perfect society, marijuana should be legal for its medicinal purposes, and alchohol and tobacco should be illegal. everybody here knows it, they're just too afraind to say t..

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RNMSN 6 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

"parents or adults should always be honest in advising their children"

we all must be responsible for our own actions

but knowledge is power/it is up to you to decide what you do with the knowledge

think on this

knowledge also changes as you grow older

Mamasan 5 years ago

So for my birthday, before I found this site, I decided to try the herbal incense "Zombie World". WORST HIGH EVER!!! If you're gonna smoke, definitely stick with the real thing. I had every bad side effect you could think of. I thought my heart was going to explode at one point & I thought I was dying. I vomited, I had seizures, I had difficulty breathing. It was such a scary experience I've sworn off smoking anything at all, ever again. I swear, I've never prayed so fervently in all my life & I promised God I would never smoke again if I would just survive the night. Now, I'm afraid of any lasting effects because at another point last night, my brain felt like it was on fire & I've been a little off all day. What a horrible way to spend my birthday.

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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

oh my poor dear Mamasan!!

I so wish the angels had led you to my site BEFORE your bday but I am so very grateful to them for getting you through because they did and your prayers think positive, drink your water and focus!!

life is too short to spend it high/that's why we used it call it "getting stupid" you know!!! :)

much love to you!!

Barbara b

Chris 5 years ago

this is very different from incense. it is sold to be smoked. it is never a stick or cone!!! they cant make incense illegal. so they made 5 chemicals illegal. it isn't those flowers or anything you listed in this article that give people a "high" it is a chemical made by man to be like weed. now you can go to the smoke shop and buy a whole new arsenal of products that say that state which ingredients they don't contain. i have bought the chemical online and mixed and sprayed it very easily and made my own a few years ago. these chemicals were made in the 90's. point is, NOBODY WOULD MAKE FAKE WEED CHEMICALS IF IT WAS LEGAL!

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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author


key words here are "If weed was legal"

but it isn't and the chemicals are worse than the real thing and whether you or I like it or not, the chemicals are deadly

the entire point of this article is to warn people on the side effects of this "illegal cannabis sativa in a different package"

Stephen 5 years ago

I was about to take this article seriously until I saw demon as one of the tags T_T All in all, I'd say all of the ingredients in incense are definitely NOT poison. I have used incense in the past and found it more intense than pot, but definitely not poison. Go for the real deal if you can.

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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

I didn't think about the way I had tagged this hub Stephen, thanks for the tip

but I still don't get why my kids generation sees this stuff as OK

everything comes around in time I suppose

but I will continue to plead with everyone regardless of their age to NOT do this crap

it gives me the scarey heebiee jives

annie 5 years ago


That exact thing just happened to my friend. Scariest thing to see happen to her...I love zombie world but it really messes with people.

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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

hello annie, I hope your friend s all right now... lets just say

"no thank you please it only makes me sneeze/and then it makes it hard to find the door"

love to you :)

barbara b

ME 5 years ago

HOW about this .. IF it is legal and you can smoke it and get high. IT IS YOUR AMERICAN RIGHT.

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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

right, and you can smoke cigarettes and get cancer, high blood ressure, heart disease, lung disease like COPD as well.

not only your american right but your own free will.

all I am asking is that you think before you do it.

play the what if game...and look around you, are your actions going to affect your friends, family, preschool children?

every choice you make will affect not just you but many others in your life and that makes you responsible for the consequences of your own free THAT the american right you want to show to yourself or to the people who love you?

much love to you,ME


Jessie 5 years ago

You don't know what you are talking about in any way because you are so biased against drugs. These are all legal natual herbs put into a blend. This blend is then treated with a solution of synthetic cannabinoids which gives the blend its effects. Tell me where in the herbs you see poison or why pure synthetic cannabinoids are are poison.

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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

this hub will drive me nuts

OK look, this pothead of long ago is just trying to warn you you idiot!!! pot is fne/smoke it if you can afford it great I don't care...I quit when my sister called and wanted to know if I was "hiding in the bathroom to smoke it yet" and I decided I cant be a hypocrite/if I couldn't do something(sex not withstanding....thatd be stupid) then I wouldn't smoke pot anymore so I stopped/still want it and look forward to beng 70 or so....but don't smoke it anymore

made hubby happy/see the problem with this ole lady is I love it, the smell of it, playing with it, clenaing it on a double album, shifting the seeds, making ghee butter, cookies!! chocolate chip with ghee butter omg

but k9 is not cannabis sativa it is man made, processed, you can read the label but even you don't really know what's in it for hells bells Jessie think of the opportunity for conspiracy!!! what a way to kill off all the free open minded intelligent enlightened kids of america!! lets gve them K9

but to answer your question, the poisonous ingredients that I found are as your own research im so mad I cant do for you

skull cap

Lactuca virosais poisonous, and at least one fatality has occurred during an attempt to use it for intoxication.Because it is a latex,

motherwort,tannis colatile oils, and vit A (this is an oil non soluble vitamin which is toxic if taken in large amounts.)

three Jessie, the rest are things like hormones like estrogen and unles you want to become gay this will put womens hormones into you are already angry just at reading this hub you may already have a bit too much!!'

insecticide and herbicide oh crap s those are poisons never mnd go ahead and smoke the shi sorry stuff

finally :) will stop ALL your hot flashes :) treats menapause!!!

look Jessie and to everyone who considers themselves invincible...which is under 0yr...hubby and I have done it, seen it, heard of it,got it secondhand (nothe info but the stuff) removed the strychinine out of it, boile it cow dung and all and eaten and drank it...far as these old old old stupid don't know nuthin people are concerned we are stupid eggs/slightly cracked

and we do NOT want you or your friends to end up like us or worse ok

loe to you and I swear that, much love much peace and may you be happy

barbara b

and that's the most I have told to ANYNE in 25 years Jessie, now Ive told the world!! please, just think before you act!!

pg 5 years ago

I smoke incense like this last night I thought I was going to die I was scary my ears wereringing I thought my head was going to explode don't smoke this maybe you'll be fine but maybe u wont its not worth the risks sucks I had to learn the hard way

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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

good for you! you learned! that's the important part!! I am so glad so very glad you are OK and smart enough to write this! you rock!! :)

Robbie 19 years of age 5 years ago

In all honesty, I have purchased this so called 'Incense' of which ever name they may call it (K-2; KUSH; KUSH MAX; XXX SXXX; SERENITY; ETC) and personally I DO NOT recommend it. I do agree that it's selling purpose in the market was the same purpose as tobacco. To get people to smoke it then become derived to smoke more, then purchase more then your hooked but it's effects on me were terrible but somewhat addictive. Why I say it's terrible is because the effects I get are (consuming it bowl after bowl in a short amount of time) paranoia, restlessness, become anxious, wake up more than once during the night. Everybody central nervous system is routed differently and when you mix chemicals with your body chemicals, this is the chain reaction I have on my nervous system. It's cool in all to get high sometimes but for a long term usage. No...... I prefer Cannabis. But I choose to stay within the law at this time being so no smoking incense and cannabis. Incense being consumed through smoke affects different people individually just like modern-day narcotics do. It does depends on the persons nervous system. BUT! I do believe that it can be poisonous. I listened to 911 calls about people 'Not feeling like themselves (effects depends on the person like my description on me above) and have seeked medical aid to become sober. I do agree with the first post about how I have a concern with the modern-day youth and how they destroy it early.

As a closing to my comment on this subject:

Incense: H*LL NO!!!

"Medical" Cannabis: People who are familiar with the effects and have no problem consuming it as long as they can still support themselves and/or their family with their career.


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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

thank you Robbie for your honest remark. Stay well.

josh 5 years ago

guys these are not the regular incense sticks u burn for the smell. they are made specifically for smoking because they get you really high. they come in little packages broke down already looking like weed or other spices. burning the incense sticks is fine they cause no harm. this stuff being smoked, now i don't know if they are bad or not, but they ure do mess you up

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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

hello Josh and thank you!! a better don't do this I couldn't do myself!

Dave 5 years ago

God made these herbs, and cannabis. If or how people use them should be between them and God.

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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

yep, god made volcanoes too, but you don't live in one

Trevor 5 years ago

I've been using this stuff since I heard about it. Yes a few times it was an awful experience, but I'm still in the exact health I was in before. I'm not saying its ok, I just want people to get an honest idea about this stuff. Just like with anything else you have to be careful. The more you take in the worse the effects. People who go to the hospital over this are the people who jump right in without testing the waters. Cannabis is definitely safer because its natural, but if used in a controlled way, this stuff is fine. I have anxiety and trouble sleep but this stuff helps.

Jessie 5 years ago


I left a comment on your article about 2 months ago and I enjoyed your response. Please understand that we are not the stupidest generation of teenagers looking to get blazed on what ever we can get our hands on but rather. I was in a position were I was unable to continue consuming cannabis so I turned to synthetics for a little while. I used this stuff called zombie matter. Now try to understand this from my perspective. Based on your article you wrote I will assume you have never used synthetics.

There is a small percentage of people that have harshly abused this drug and for that they paid heavily with their body. When I was unable to continue using weed, I looked into these synthetics. I have had many friends that tryed them with very positive results. I went into this drug knowing that I had a small chance of bodily damage so I set limits like never do it more than 3 times a week. Look at me now. I'm not dead. I didn't turn into a girl from estrogen. And I don't even do the stuff that much any more. If I want to explore my mind I will go find some LSD or mescaline. I am glad you are trying to save our generation from all the pain and suffering drugs caused your generation. But in reality, every generation goes thru something like this. In the 1960's if kids wanted a legal high they would eat a bunch of nutmeg. That's legal and it gets you high. And guess what, nutmeg is piosinous too. Every generation goes thru that stage of self exploration with drugs. Couldn't we just skip all this harmful synthetics crap and just make weed legal altogether? I mean it's not like weed never gets boring. The point I'm trying to make out of this is that we are just going thru the same thing you did. If 1 out of 100 kids gets hospitalized from this stuff, that's the price. If your generation would just let us have our fun we can get on with our lives. For most people, drug use is just a phase.

Jessie 5 years ago

All I'm trying to say is just let us have our fun like how you got to have yours. Then when we are done bindgeing at college we will mellow out and get good jobs.

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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

good point jessie

my fear of K2 etc is that it is man made/synthetic...I will keep my opinion to myself about what I wish could happen to cannabis sativa and I suppose my opinion should stay with me as well about K2 etc

I just don't want anyone hurt, is stay cool and stay well and stay happy :) what are you taking in college?

Jessie 5 years ago

Hi again.

Let me start off by saying that I appreciate what you are doing. You are right. This stuff is man made. I can tell you are a decent person looking out for our nations youth. There are a lot of teenagers that abuse this stuff. Will they pay for it in the long run? I guess we will just have to wait and see. My point is that I wish the government wouldn't control what I'm allowed to put into my body. By illegallizing marijuana, we get these synthetic cannabis potpourris as a result. I realize there are a lot of very harmful drugs out there. I think it's a very bad idea to legalize cocain. I have found that drugs have changed my life for the better in so many ways. In part, this is because I set limits. I have pretty much always kept to natural drugs. These being things that grow in the ground. I have never touched anything that has a risk for physical dependence. I guess one of the only exceptions I have made to this were the times I used synthetic cannabis. Anyways the point I'm trying to make is that drugs have changed my life for the better in many ways. I'm responsible and don't put other peoples well being infront of my drug use (i.e. I don't drive under the influence of anything). Take marijuana for example. If you consume marijuana orally, it has been scientifically proven you do no damage to your brain or body. There are drugs out there that can help expand your mind and change your life for the better. Not all drugs of coarse but some can. I know that drug consumption is not for everyone and I know as a parent you don't want to see your children or grandchildren destroy their life. Again what I'm trying to say is that drugs work for me. They may not work for others but i would prefer it if the government didn't try to prevent me from doing it. My life is so much richer. And by making certain drugs legal, we would basically make their dangerous imitations (K2 and spice) obsolete. Anyways that's just my opinion. I can also see the downside. That being that if we legalize weed we will have half a nation that is so blazed they will never report for work. To sum all this up I have just been saying that drugs are an important part in my life and that by legalizing certain "safer" drugs we could make more harmful drugs like K2 and spice obsolete. Thank you for your time. I have had a great time debating this topic with you. Oh and to answer your question I'm in the process of getting my masters in organic chemisty. I will bid you a goodnight and look forward to hearing back from you. (p.s. I'm sorry about any misspellings or things of that nature. I have been typing all this on my phone)

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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

Good Morning Jessie! This would make a fantastic article here on HubPages! Your arguments are sound and all it needs is a backbone of links to show your 'proof'

hey! It would help pay for your tuition and or college loans! Also there is the point that if it were legal, eventually the thrill would die off and a lot of people would walk away from it (you think?):)

then you have to think about what do you do about people with certain degrees/fields of work for example;should they be restricted to their personal use if they have other persons lives in their hands? like city bus drivers,nurses, train conductors, doctors, organic chemists? :)

well think about writing on HP at any rate how bout?

rainbowprof 5 years ago

I don't think that the items you labelled as poisons have that effect when inhaling the burnt fumes. I would venture to suggest that the effects listed are for ingestion when absorbed as a food or liquid (perhaps as a tea). One of the reasons people use this stuff is because they can pass drug tests at work and it's not illegal. But these substances have a strong psychoactive effect. One can buy the raw materials very cheaply and make it at home. If you buy it through shops its similarly priced to street prices for weed/ ganja.

Rj 5 years ago

I was smoking a pack of this incense in the dumb way with a pipe, Ive been smoking weed with my friend for a while but when we turn 16-17 we stopped too get jobs, yet ofcourse we still wanted to get high. a Friend told us about Down to Earth, Burning man and many more of the and told us it will make you trip. knowning our cursoriness as kids we tried it. we'll after the 5-6 bowl we were all chillen and the next thing i knew my cousin fell out her eyes where wide i thought she was having a seizure. i can tell you from first person that this stuff shouldn't be allowed in stores. and if anything id much rather smoke a little pot here and there instead of killing myself with this stupid stuff.

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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

A big scare for a little reality check eh Rj? Glad you and your friend are OK!

Rj 5 years ago

For sure, and thanks much. just hope other people arent puttin their selfs through it too because it really isn't worth it.

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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

true and now you be careful and have fun in life Rj :) you have a lot of it ahead of you thank goodness!

coco 5 years ago

you know what? i smoke zombie matter spice everyday(since i cant smoke weed) and i love it. i think it is so much fun. :) :) it is a bit intense, but its a great substitution for weed.

Badmojo 5 years ago

Its called spice and it's not incense. The package says incense but your supposed To smoke it. The reason it gets you high is not because of the herbs in it but because of a chemical that is a synthetic cannabinoid. It is poison and people have died from it. It's extremely addictive and is rather smoke spice than real pot at one point because it gets you way higher. K2 is an awful brand because of all the random shit in it. Spice with just damiana leaf is a lot better IMO. Doesn't matter tho that shit sucks

Monty 5 years ago

How about we legalize weed so this "poison" isn't used anymore?

Emgirl 5 years ago

I would like to point out that the package that all of this comes in says "not for human consumption" ...I work in a head shop and I couldn't tell you exactly what is in this stuff because every package says the same thing. You must be at least 18 to purchase any of them because people are going to do what they want to do so you have to be a legal adult. It's all the same, over eating, drinking, smoking cigarettes, smoking weed, etc...

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Matthew 5 years ago

I tried this substance on 11/24.

I was unaware of this, and thought this to be helpless.

This substance, K4, almost killed me.

I'm not sure if it just may still have me waiting to keel over, I'm honestly vary scared.

I'm a nineteen year old male who made an adult decision to try something new. But lo and behold, heart rate jumped dramatically, loss of depth perception, nausea, vomiting WAY later.

I could barely breathe, my mouth was dry, my throat hurt and was dry. I was in and out of controlled vision through the course of 10:40 pm to 3-4 am.

I couldn't speak or think coherently, I could only watch a poor rendition of what was moving around me.

My head still hurts, I fear for my life.

This product is bath salts and cannabis poser called "Spice."

This may come back as dramatic, but I want to live. I don't want my friends and people dying from this, states are idiotic to not ban this substance straight away.

I'm six foot five inches tall and heavy set, I'm a big guy, and if this stuff can hospitalize me in a half hour, think of smaller people than myself.

This drug needs to be put out of business, and fast.

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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

I am glad you are alive Matthew!

Nikki 5 years ago

Hello, I'm a little confused about the estrogen and testosterone. First off where are you getting the information that estrogens (estrone, estradiol and estriol) and testosterone are contained in these products? There is no list on the back of the pack......just not for human consumption. Second, being nurse where do you stands on products like premarin? These hormones are synthetically derived...they are not seems to me (no disrespect intended) but being a nurse you would have a better platform for helping women NOT put these synthetic hormones into their bodies. Lastly if these hormones that you say are in the"incense" are being derived from plants they would most likely be bioidentical to the natural ones our bodies produce which is clearly better than the ones derived from the urine of a pregnant mare.....

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RNMSN 5 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

"I am not condoning anything but since everyone will do wha they will I want the knowledge there for all to see..." I tracked the ingredients of red bird specifically but K2 is similar

retardforsmokingthis 5 years ago

yea me and my friend smoked this stuff and he took a home drug test...failed for cocaine, meth and opiates. but no THC so i guess its ok right? no. seriously do not ever smoke this stuff

Clinton 29 5 years ago

This stuff should be treated with respect.

like any drug, is should be used "at your own risk".

there are many substances out there that can harm and a drug user will ALWAYS find something new to consume.

You have to be 18 to buy it and you shouldn't use it unless you're 18.

if you're an adult you can take a risk.

It shouldn't be used as marijuana because its nothing like it...its a complete different drug.

people need to STOP calling it synthetic marijuana because kids see that word and think its like weed.

Should the DEA ban this? NO.

Should the media stop advertising it? YES.

How would the DEA like it if i went into their house and said "you cant drink that beer while watching the football game, booze kills".

I think people need to take a step back and think about this because there will ALWAYS be something to ban and people will always wana get high.

Is it bad for you? YES.

But so is alot of other rubbish being sold to the public.

Zack 5 years ago

See, the reason this stuff is legal is because they keep coming up with new chemicals to circumvent the laws against the chemicals your local government bans. When one of these chemicals is banned, it doesn't matter because they've already created ten more to use in their 'blends'. They're being sold and marketed as "a cannabis alternative" But in reality, these 'herbal incense' brands are more like DMT or smack.

I speak from experience. I used to be addicted to this junk, and it makes your life terrible. All you wonder about is when you're going to get high again, and it strips you of any genuine emotion while not on it. I lost my job, and became extremely standoffish, I sold a lot of things I owned to keep up my addiction. It's terrible. Of course, these 'companies' will tell you the herbal ingredients, but what they wont tell you, is what compounds of ridiculous chemicals they spray on these herbs to provide the high you're feeling. They're terrible. Absolutely horrible. Kids are getting into it now because it's being sold as a novelty, over the counter at gas stations and head shops... Well there's nothing novel about it. They deserve to be treated in the ranks with PCP and cocaine. And if you're a long term user, the withdraws are HORRIBLE. Sleeping 18 hours a day only to wake up when you need to throw up/dry heave? No thank you. Lets get this stuff pulled ASAP.

THAT Guy 5 years ago

@ Clinton, that's one of the best formulated streams of consciousness I've heard threaded in a long time.

5 years ago

A lot of people who smoke this don't realize that the ones who are making this stuff each have different formulas and there is no regulation, kind of like bad booze during prohibition. Some of the makers are worried about making money in a high demand market, so they overdo the chemical, and you get something that should not be smoked at all unless you like being paranoid, nauseous, and worried about having a heart attack. That said, I don't agree with smoking the stuff. I also know that when they market it as incense, all sorts of people begin to think that it is actual incense, and some might even feel so inclined to smoke actual incense in order to save money. The same thing happened with bath salts before they became illegal here. Nobody researches things before putting them in their body, it seems, and there will always be children out there ready to experiment without knowing what they are getting into. It feels strange to think that if regular marijuana were legal, we wouldn't have the need for this chemical, and we wouldn't have so many ER visits and ruined psyches all for the sake of the law and money. Not everyone is a responsible adult, but we cannot look out for everyone's children when they decide to do stupid things or rely on the product of a shady manufacturer for a good time. What can we do better the situation?

5 years ago

I also would like to say that it is disheartening to think that a beautiful plant such as damiana is now having its name dragged through the mud for some product like spice. So many people now think that this is damiana, and don't realize that it is damiana soaked in chemicals. This has led to laws in different states that make the herb illegal, when it is not the herb that has the negative effect. I understand that these laws are encompassing for a reason, but this drug will go the same route as pot. It won't go away, there will still be a demand, and any education or research into it will be non-existent without funding that requires government approval. However, I have not run into nearly the same amount or type of problems with my marijuana experiences.

Jrock 5 years ago

I'm going to put those withrawl effects to the test. Thanks for the info.

Amanda Gilbert 5 years ago

I respect your opinion and your concern for the well-being of the nation's youth, but I will have to disagree with your judgements on the herbs used in these incenses. While I agree that these products are dangerous (there are many different herbs, producing many different reactions, as well as the various unknown chemicals that said herbs may have been soaked in) but the individual herbs do not deserve the light you are depicting them in. Some, especially damiana or chamomile, are profoundly harmless, even when smoked (INDIVIDUALLY). Herbalism is ancient, and without herbalism many of the cures and medicines produced synthetically today could not possibly exist. While the FDA may not condone the use of said herbs, I don't believe that you can rule out their usefulness when used in moderation. Not every one of them is poisonous, and the ones that are, are only supposed to be used by a trained professional who knows the exact measurements for safety. I know you disagree with me, and you have all the right to, but I don't believe that "THIS IS POISON" should be the only viewpoint when it comes to the herbs listed. Tobacco produced by the tobacco industry is more poison than anything, but it is readily available and mass produced. These incenses (specifically marked "Not for Human Consumption") are dangerous, but they wouldn't have been produced is Marijuana was legalized, marijuana being a far safer recreational drug to use and to experience the high that smoker's are seeking. I disagree with your harsh judgment of marijuana smokers as well, because I know conclusively that it does not result in the same lifestyle in every case. I think you are blaming the drug for the personality of the person in the first place. The laziest, most idiotic people I know under the influence are usually quite lazy and idiotic sober as well. Smoking does not equal failure. As with anything, the user must execute maturity in concerns to their decisions. I am a mother and a full time college student. Like another commenter, I take my life very seriously, and my goals are very important to me. Marijuana is a hobby. It is not the culmination of my existence. Like I said, I understand where you are coming from in concerns to the side effects that could be experienced from smoking these incenses. But I stand by the fact that making herbs illegal is like making the earth illegal. Its taking the rights away from individuals, and with every new herb they make illegal just because it produces hallucinogenic results just proves how ridiculous our society is. Restrict what is truly, honestly deadly, like meth or cocaine or heroine. But marijuana? Salvia? Damiana??? That is insanity.

alicia 4 years ago

i have tried something similar to this and would not recommend it plus it is illegal to sell k2 or any thing like it to military not sure if it is for everyone or not you would be better off smoking notebook paper just thought i'd add my 2 cents.

Ashley 4 years ago

Unfortunately I have a friend that has been having seizures because he is smoking "lol". The seizures do not occur every time he smokes it, more like once a month. He has never had ANY health issues before this and I wouldn't recommend anyone to smoke "lol".

southcalimack 4 years ago

i just read the "arrticle"on K@. I have to admit, i did my own research on the "spice" that is sold here in southern california. spice and about 20 varieties, if not more. The ingredients are all very similar. I went to hebal stores and purchased ALL of the ingredients in many differnet forms, ranging from leaf to extract. All of the inredients are fairly harmless as is nutmeg. When most substances are use in a manner that is not the norm, or recommended, bad things can happen. Things like vomiting, dizziness, shortness of breath. This kind of stuuf can happen when drink too much booze. I have a feeling that you made your decision about K2 by watching your TV shows. All of us could have came to the same conclusion by watching thae same lame TV shows. I did not see it personally, but after reading your comment on the K2 banning, I feel as though you are passing on the info as your opinion. Surely you your OWN opinion, perhaps you can share it with us. I have tried it and it is VERY stong (the old formula). Much stronger than a very strong strain of some very expensive "cush". In my opinion, it was too strong to use and operate a power tool. I wouldn't operate a pair of choopsticks while under that influence....Point is, I have my own opinion, that did not come from a TV show. IMy opinion came to be after i did some research for myself.

I have never come across this site until tonight, while doing some personal research on the legalities of growing cannabis. The permits that may or may not be required to grow cannabis for the government in California. Up to 6000 dollars a pound. Selling back to the state government for medical research seems like a nobel profession for me to put my land to use for.

In a nutshell, I will probably Never seek this site for an intelligent opinion, because your add had no intelligent opinion that came from you, rather you reitterated the non-intelligent view of Oprah or someone of that caliber. lmao. I will however look for a one-sided response in which, no doubt, you will have watched it on some jerry springer show that gave the subject ten minutes. Your "opinion" will parallel thiers, and you'll use your college education, to pick apart every word, and find some obscure negative meaning and claim you happen to know of this because you have it copied from wikidpedia. then when there is nothing on the subject (because its not wikopedia) and your vocabulary is at a standstill. However due to absence of media, you are forced to come up with somehting, perhaps your opinion...I noticed this one thing. In the absence of WP knowledge, leonitis leonorius (that's also an aka) you have come up with the longest definition. have put you to use.

I look forward to you response, and hope you don't have to watch it on T V.

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RNMSN 4 years ago from Tucson, Az Author

I reiterate that although everyone/well many peple at any rate/ will experiment with many different substances during their lifetime and without any ill effects there are some substances that should be held up as a warning to everyone NOT to use

This hub was written as a warning that if any substance is misused it can and will lead to many serious ill effects

This hub was also written as a way to educate everyone of the ingredients in K-2 and other legal incense that is being sold but is being used as an inhalation and a way to get high rather than as an incense

This hub is a way to warn that using products like K-2 have lead to dangerous consequences

This hub was also written as a humorous look back at my own ill spent youth as a way to try and stop others, especially younger people from making poor life choices

Saying that this hub is not open minded or is a biased report is incorrect. Writers write best what they know best/they write from their own life choices/getting angry about the message imparted only shows your own immaturity and using foul language will get your comments banned from this writers hub and from any other hub

Open up your own mind and use your own brain to comment rationally and objectionally and your comments will be welcomed

love and peace to you all

barbara b

Joff 4 years ago

I've been smoking these incense brands for over a year and have found no problems with them to date I'm a daily smoker 20 to 25 cones a day if weed was to be legalised there wouldn't be a market for this .

Just my opinion from experience 4 years ago

I've tried this stuff called "moon grass" that I got at a smoke shop legally. I can say that at first it was great. It was a "cleaner" feeling high and it's legal compared to pot. But after a while it turned into bad highs and difficult breathing after smoking it. In my opinion pot may be illegal but it's 100% more safe. These human made substances are no good. You don't really know what your getting. 4 years ago

get it off the market

Tony 4 years ago

Actually these mixtures of herbs are sprayed with research chemicals such as JWH and the like, basically synthetic cannabinoids often administered in labs to animals. There is also a for the time being quasi legal hallucinogenic plant called Salvia Divinorium that could probably be sprayed, mixed in and applied with such similar incense blends however it is supposedly as strong as LSD if an extract is consumed.

Both of these topics are being discussed and taught about in third year level university classes however they need to be introduced in HS health as just because something is legal does not make it more or less safe to use. Case and point is the increasing use, as well as dependence of prescription drugs.

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