The Black-Eyed Kids

Update! (September 2012)

NEWEST UPDATE (September 2012): new videos added

Interviews with David Weatherly, author of "Black Eyed Children" available at Leprechaun Press online.

Update - (December 2010): I now have a number of emails sitting in my net address box from people who have been telling me of their experiences with BEKs... these are frightening accounts, most of them, to say the least. NONE of the accounts people have emailed seem to be without some grains of authenticity - although some seem to carry features of psychological details...no, I'm not saying some of these people are psychologically unbalanced... but rather that they've had extreme fright, trauma or something. This seems to be a common factor in both the newer accounts I've been receiving in my email boxes AND the accounts I keep reviewing online...

If ANYONE has more information on BEKs, just email me. I don't have any solid answers for the people who are already emailing me. The most I can do is "listen" and let these people tell me about their experiences when they're afraid to speak out loud about them.

To email me - just get to my profile page. There is a link on the page that says "Send mythbuster an email."

I could sure use some guidance... I've looked into all the things that other people have already said and still, I am no closer to understanding what's going on with these BEK sightings and encounters...and I am leaving my last "update" posted below just so people can see that, well, I'm really not making any progress here.

Perhaps the BEKs are just OUT THERE... perhaps we won't figure them out - but I hope that's not the case...

Ohyeah - and Tee - from the accounts I've posted already in my article here and another similar article elsewhere - has contacted me just briefly...actually the contact was made via a comment section on an article, so I do believe Tee's account is authentic. I do not know what sort of child/teen or entity came to Tee's door several years ago but I do definitely believe the event was traumatic and frightening for her...

Previous Update (Winter 2009):

I wrote that I'd update if I found additional information.

I haven't found anything conclusive but I tracked down a gentleman by email who responded to some general questions I posed about BEKs and Brian Bethel.

I explained my interest in BEKs and my suspicions that these/this phenomenon is largely urban legend and the gentleman responded to my email in just over 24 hours - on Christmas Day 2009, no less! The person is a journalist and researcher/author, himself, who had been able to track down Brian Bethel several years ago about Bethel's BEK account.

Put it this way - I have been urged to research further, myself, before deciding that these BEK accounts are simply urban legend and nothing else. It was suggested that I do some research on "terrestrial" possibilities and that I contact people whose accounts are available online. I was told, also, to get in touch with medical people and theatre (?) people who are in the know about this phenomenon. The latter are harder for me to figure out how to approach but I'm working on it.

A second source from some online forums suggested I look into the topic of "Shadow People," however, I'm not willing to disclose this source because I'm not positive yet that the person is reliable (of course, I should be skeptical, right?).

I'm currently doing the research that Mr. O (don't worry, he won't remain anonymous - I'll put his Amazon book up somewhere on this hub for you - he's a researcher and author in paranormal fields, himself) has suggested and I have emailed Mr. Bethel but have not yet received a reply.

I'm trying to also track down contact information for 3 other main accounts that are commonly found online. If anyone has a line in or on this information, I could use some help.

The three accounts are as such: an account of a couple coming off the interstate in Michigan who encountered an odd female in a restroom who had totally black orbs for eyes, a young 20-something woman who encountered a man in Starbucks who had the same awful eyes, and the following (one I think will be more traceable than the aforementioned accounts):

Tee's Account. A woman who only identifies herself as "Tee," who wrote in to the about .com site following her frightening experience with a youth who seems to fit the same sort of description as Bethel's account of a boy with black orbs for eyes. Tee, an apartment manager refused to take this youth on a tour of a possible apartment when he knocked at her door one day. Tee's account can be found here:

http://paranormal.about.com/library/blstory_november04_30.htm

By the way, I'm not sure what to make of the information I'm finding yet. "Shadow People" are slightly outside of my realm of 'urban legend' research and folklore, however, if these BEKs are related to Shadow People - WE NEED TO stop being complacent and stop pooh-poohing things we do not understand as being describable by science thus far - and take better stock of what is around us in this world. That is, whether science can explain things or not.

I've had to take on a sort of chaotic "crash course" in paranormal topics thus far - and I have to say, studying urban legends and folklore is much safer, more comfortable ground! It appears that even if we can't explain 'shadow people,' something is going on that has DEFINITE effects in the world - at least on our psychological states...

This is all very strange research, I must say.

I'll probably have more definite information in another month or so.


This Is Likely a Contact Lens

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BEK's a New Phenomenon

Referred to as B.E.K.s or BEK accounts (B.lack E.yed K.ids) in paranormal communities, stories of Black Eyed Kids are surfacing with great regularity these days.

These are kids with coal-black eyes, no irises apparent, no pupils - just entirely black eyes.

The BEKs want to get into your car with you but it seems they are not hoodlums...in fact, they are reported to be much more polite and well-spoken than most pre-teens or teenagers are - more self-aware, self-controlled and confident than most adolescents are. It seems that Black Eyed Kids are aware that they cannot enter your vehicle unless you invite them in. Some Black Eyed Kids want to enter your house. Nobody knowns what for...but they generally ASK VERY POLITELY to enter your house or car.

Few reports exist which tell of what happens IF one allows Black Eyed Kids into a car or house, but any who have reported interacting with Black Eyed Kids say that a feeling of impending doom or of intense fear and dread accompany the interaction!

Of course, it is believed that there's an unfortunate ending if you let a BEK in...it is something akin to inviting a vampire into your home - you perish!

Nobody, it seems, is quite certain of all the details yet...

BEKs, Shadow People and Ghosts

BEKs Only a Decade Old

Black Eyed Kids are virtual babies within the realms of urban legends. Circulation of the stories about BEKs seem to be traced back only as far as about 1998!

Most BEK accounts are stories found online in blogs, message boards, newsgroups and the like. In fact, the first known posting of a BEK incident was posted by Brian Bethel onto a newgroup he was a member of. It was on January 16, 1998 when Bethel posted to his newsgroup, and other people have been coming forward ever since that time, relating similar accounts, all telling of Kids with Black Eyes who ask to be let into cars, houses, etc.

In most accounts, there are two males, aged from pre-teen to mid-teen years, and the boys always ask to be 'let in' to either a car or home. Sometimes this is to get a ride home or to be taken home so they can get money for a movie (as in Bethel's account). Sometimes they want to be 'let in' to use the washroom in your home.

A similarity in most accounts of BEKs is the impending dread and fear felt by the people who have encountered these strange kids - often before the people even get a chance to have a good look at the BEKs' faces clearly and see the black orbs of their eyes.

This Child Is Beautiful...But The EYES! This girl did not survive the toxins & hypothermia that made her eyes black. See caption area - no disrespect intended

This is the only known picture of a child with entirely black eyes - and this child did not survive a natural disaster whereby her leg was trapped and she was stuck in toxic water... this is what made her eyes black - & also killed her.
This is the only known picture of a child with entirely black eyes - and this child did not survive a natural disaster whereby her leg was trapped and she was stuck in toxic water... this is what made her eyes black - & also killed her. | Source

Brian Bethel's Account of Black Eyed Kids

On January 16, 1998, a man named Brian Bethel posted online to a newsgroup and told an account of his experience with a very strange and frightening male pre-teen duo. The kids had had approached his car and asked to be "let in" to his car. They spoke UNLIKE pre-teens usually do, using a more formal vocabulary than kids or teens usually use, and one of the most striking aspects of the event was the intense mood-altering 'air' that accompanied the kids' presence. Bethel asserts that an extreme fear overtook him while the pre-teens were standing by his car, which is something he found very strange and overwhelming.

Brian Bethel is a journalist - or at the time, he was a journalist. I have been unable to find much information on the man, himself, although his account of the strange interaction with Black Eyed Kids has been spread far and wide across the internet in newgroup threads, forums, blogs and articles.

I'll certianly update as I find more information on Brian Bethel, himself, but until then, his account is the data we have so far regarding a lengthy explanation of an experience with BEKs.

The Black Eyed Kids, According to Bethel...

Bethel was inside his car which was at a standstill in a parking lot in Abilene Texas. His trip out of the house was for the purpose of paying his bill for Internet services, so his attention was turned to writing out a cheque when two kids approached his car. The likely time of this event was around 9:45pm. Bethel remembered leaving his residence around 9:30pm to complete a 10 to 15 minute drive to where he could take care of his Internet bill.

On the evening in question, the film that was playing in a movie theatre nearby was "Mortal Kombat," and Bethel drove past the theatre in order to park in the lot, stop and write out a cheque. As he was writing, a knock sounded on his driver side window.

When he looked up, Bethel saw two children standing near his car and he deemed them to be around 10-14 years of age. Later, on his internet newsgroup post, he would write that the kids were in that "[...] semi-mystical stage of life children get into where you can't exactly tell their age."

Bethel refers to the children as boys, furthermore as "Boy 1" and "Boy 2" and has said that Boy 1 acted as a "spokesman" for the duo. In hindsight, Bethel would claim that Boy 2 never spoke, "at least not with words" during the incident.

The boys are described as:

"Boy No.1 was slightly taller than his companion, wearing a pull-over, hooded shirt with a sort of gray checked pattern and jeans. I couldn't see his shoes. His skin was olive-colored and [he] had curly, medium-length brown hair. He exuded an air of quiet confidence.

Boy No.2 had pale skin with a trace of freckles. HIs primary characteristic seemed to be looking around nervously. He was dressed in similar manner to his companion, but his pull-over was a light green color. His hair was a sort of pale orange."

Bethel believed the kids intended to ask him for some money, and just when he'd completed this thought, he noted, "then the air changed." He described an overwhelming sense of fear and unearthliness pressing down on him at this point of the experience.

The smile that Boy No.1, the spokesman, offered brought chills to Bethel's blood, and Bethel knew there was something not quite right about the boys and this situation. Even before he responded to the actual knock on the window, he felt his fight-or-flight responses rev up.

Bethel unrolled the window a little bit and asked, "Yes?"

When the spokesman smiled again, Bethel noticed that Boy No.1 had extremely white teeth.

The boy asked, "Hey, mister, what's up? We have a problem." Bethel said the boy's diction was quiet and calm but his voice sounded like that of a young man - not a child. While the boy spoke, Bethel remembers wanting so very much to just FLEE...but the spokesman continued to speak...

"You see, my friend and I want to see the films, but we forgot our money...We need to go to our house to get it. Want to help us out?"

In Bethel's account, he suggests more typical ways that children and young teens use language and the actual way that "spokesman" talked was not typical, in Bethel's opinion.

Instead, Boy No.1 spoke fluently, without any nervous pauses one might expect of a child who is asking a grown-up stranger for money. Bethel remembers only stuttering a reply like "Uh, well..." before noticing something like discomfort or nervousness from Boy No. 2's body language.

"C'mon mister..." Boy No. 1 urged, "Now, we just want to go to our house. And we're just two little boys."

Bethel remembers feeling that the spokesman's manner was all wrong - so was the 2nd boy's body language, but Bethel couldn't quite pinpoint what exactly was wrong about this whole scenario, so finally he asked the boys about what movie they were going to see.

"Mortal Kombat, of course," replied the spokesman, while the Boy No.2 that Bethel now calls 'the silent one,' simply nodded in agreement. Bethel responded to this answer with a simple, "Oh..." while he glanced at the movie theatre marquee and at the clock in his car. He quickly determined that Mortal Kombat was in its final showing for the evening and that it was about an hour into playing by this time.

While Bethel's reluctance to interact with the boys seemed to make the 'silent one' ever more nervous, the spokesman showed no nervousness at all. The spokesman continued to coax, "C'mon mister. Let us in. We can't get in your car until you do, you know." And with a more soothing voice, "Just let us in, and we'll be gone before you know it. We'll go to our mother's house."

At this point, Bethel locked eyes with the vacant-orb-eyed spokesman - while realizing in horror that his own hand had strayed to the door lock. Luckily the door was still locked, but Bethel's hand had started the process of unlocking the door before he caught hold of himself. He probably jerked back his hand upon this realization, alerting the strange pre-teen duo that he felt that all was not right in this situation. This action also forced Bethel to look away from the kids and stutter something non-binding and unclear.

He turned his attention back to look at the children and, for the first time, noticed their eyes...

...coal black...no irises, no pupils, and as Bethel wrote, "Just two staring orbs reflecting the red and white light of the marquee."

Bethel's facial expression must have conveyed something to the duo and the silent one suddenly dawned a look of horror, while the spokesman's expression turned to blatant anger, "C'mon mister," he insisted, "We won't hurt you. You have to LET US IN. We don't have a gun..."

These words were terrifying to Brian Bethel, and he tried to gain his bearings, reaching a hand toward the car gearshift in order to make a speedy exit...

The spokesman said, with great urgency, "WE CAN'T COME IN UNLESS YOU TELL US IT'S OKAY. LET...US --- IN!"

Finally, Bethel's hand responded on the gearshift, knocked the car into reverse and Bethel's car ripped out of the parking lot, "I noticed the boys in my peripheral vision, and I stole a quick glance back. They were gone. The sidewalk by the theatre was deserted."

Bethel drove straight home, parked and ran inside, all in a complete panic.

Bethel still wonders, "What did I see?" and "What would have happened if I opened my car door?"

My Suspicions

I have my own suspicions about the Black Eyed Kids as being the product of more parental and societal fears.

After all...the accounts I've read so far - of which the "Brian Bethel Account" is the most prominent - contain tell-tale signs of 'urban legend-ness' and tidbits of hysteria...in fact, in the Brian Bethel account, he has plainly stated the level of fear he felt upon being approached by Black Eyed Kids in an Abilene parking lot.

C'mon Brian! Scared almost to the point of poopy-pants by a couple of kids - one very well-spoken young gent that most parents would be proud to say is their own. Most parents are ASKING THEIR KIDS to display the sort of politeness that frightened Brian Bethel to the point of panic...

No, I'm not making fun of Bethel above...well, not overly so. I'm just saying that it appears he was THAT SCARED!

Something is out of sorts here - but in my opinion, it is possible that it might not be the kids in question here...

There's a small chance that these Black Eyed Kids are manifest from the fears of society and from parental fears...it is possible that societal PERCEPTION is at work here and going awry.

Putting two and two together - that 1) accounts of BEKs reek of urban legend tale format and 2) almost all urban legends are based on societal fears, parental fears, and fear of the unknown...

(Are we afraid that more and more of our children are becoming child-criminals, distanced in familial relationships? This concern would be fitting in societies where parents are no longer raising most of the children...where daycares, schools and such are taking up the slack for parental absence.)

These BEK reports are just something I'll have to keep my eyes and ears open for, that's all.

Brian Bethel on an American TV Show

An Account of An Encounter Provided By "Michael" - a theory forwarded about BEKs possibly being "Demons"

THIS ACCOUNT was posted in the comments section but I felt I should move it directly into a HUB module so that it is not overlooked. Offered by a reader/commenter named "Michael."

Please note: I have taken the liberty of adding spacing simply to make the text and account easier to read...

By Michael:

So I apologize first off if I am restating something that has already been said. With that being said I understand everyones different beleifs in what these "BEKs" are and let me tell you that they are far more sinister and intelligent than you can imagine.

I have been studying in the feild of demonology for the past 5 years and have been through 24 years of supernatural hell, ranging from ghost apparitions to full on demonic oppression. These BEK's are without a doubt in my mind demonic. The way they speak with perfect diction and almost intellectual in their conversation being that most of these encounters have been with young children is quite odd for the language they use.

Having to be invited into a persons car or home and not being able to enter unless they recieve verbal invitation. And of course the biggest tell tale sign is the infamous "black souless eyes" acoumpanied [accompanied] by the feeling of dread and a dark evil presence. Your gut dose [does] not lie to you and even if you arent a beleiver in "evil" per say all the accounts still refer to the feeling of a "dark" presence when around these beings.

As far as the invitation goes it is also a telltale sign of a demon; demons being eons of years old and being as dark and powerful as they are still have to abide by cosmic law meaning that they cannot enter "your" property being your car or home or anywhere you have ownership unless you where to give them verbal consent(Now you know where the vampire myth stems from). The reason why they usually appear as children is to gain your trust. Obviously you will feel bad for a poor lost child and would love nothing more than to let them in on a cold dark night....that's exactly what they want. Or sometimes appearing as young teenagers or a person of your own age, someone that can gain your trust easily. Their not going to appear as a crazed dirty man weilding a knife, scaring people off would work against them.

The dark feeling you get when there near, your body can sense something that wants to do it harm and it reacts by sending you into a fight or flight mode. These beings are filled with so much hate and evil that it emotes off of them like a black aura, hitting you with waves of their emotions. The reason for the black eyes is obvious, being evil in nature and being void of any soul, their eyes are just showing you the emptiness that is inside. If you have ever heard the term "the eyes are the window to the soul" that would explain the empty black, these beings have no soul.

The reason behind their odd speech and diction is like I stated before, these beings have been around for thousands of years, they are not a child as they appear to be. They are unfortunatley smarter than humans and they speak as well educated people because frankly they have had time to practice. I also would bet that if anyone where to begin speaking in another language that these BEK's would respond in that language, even if switched up to multiple dialects I bet you they would follow with even better pronounciation. Unless they catch onto what your pulling and play it off seeing that your testing them.

The reason for the fowl smell from their breath or just the smell of them as many have stated is also demonic in nature, the putrid smell of garbage or decay in many cases sulfur. These are the scents of a demon, just think of the most revolting smell you can think of...thats what you will smell when near them.

Also I havent read this alot in the testimonies but they usually are preseaded with 3 knocks on either the door or the window, obviously many have just run into these beings but if that dose happen I urge not to answer their knocking because opening that door or window is all the invitation they need.

Now to say that these things are pure demons in their corporial form or possibly possesed humans that we truthfully wont know. But I lead more to the first only because its practically unheard of for a innocent 5 year old could come under possesion but then again we cant prove that for sure. I apologize for the mispelling and if what I wrote is comfusing but Im typing this at work and trying to do both.

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Marine in NC Spooked by Black Eyed Kids

A marine living on the 3rd floor of barracks located near River Road at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina encountered two BEKs in November 2009. The marine's account can be found by going to the paranormal section at the About .com website.

Apparently, the marine was staying home on a weekend late in the year of 2009 while most of his peers were out. A knock at his door interrupted his movie watching late at night. The marine went to the door, expecting to find that his roommate had forgotten his keys, but instead of opening the door to let his room mate in, he stood face to face with two kids: "[...] these kids freaked the hell out of me."

At first, the marine couldn't place the reason why these two kids made his senses react with trepidation, but instincts are something that marines are told to pay attention to, so the man didn't let his logic overcome his gut feelings in this instance. Something from within told the man to shut the door and lock it but he fought these feelings long enough to get a good look at the kids, notice they had pitch black eyes, and he spoke briefly with them.

The kids told him they wanted to come inside and read and said they were cold. It seemed odd to the marine that the kids didn't mention parents or things that a pair of lost children might be concerned about.

Unnerved, the marine glanced down the hallway to see if anyone else was around but he found the hallway empty. When he turned attention back to the kids, they had come a step closer to him and the doorway, further freaking him out. He describes feeling as if he were being hunted - as if he were the prey for these predator kids. This last complex gut reaction caused the marine to immediately close and lock the door.

For about 5 more minutes, the marine reports he heard a constant, soft knocking at the door. After refusing to respond to the knocking, he then heard a rattle at a window - which he also ignored. Things seemed to settle down after that and the marine got through the night without further incident.

In the morning, the marine found and approached the officer who was on duty during the nighttime hours and asked him some questions. The officer had noticed nothing out of the ordinary while on shift and passed the marine's account off as the marine having taken too much to drink. In the marine's account, however, he makes sure to state that he wasn't drinking at all during the night in question.

I think some important questions to ask are:

  • Would parents allow kids to just wander around an infantry army barracks?
  • Why didn't the officer on duty notice the kids?

The marine who provided this account to About .com is known only as Reaper 3-1, and obviously prefers to remain anonymous.


Black Eyed People Like To Shop At Wal-Mart?

Webb City, Missouri

An anonymous writer: was at a Webb City Wal-Mart ready to pay for some items and got an uneasy feeling while in the teller's line-up. The person also smelled a strange odor and turned to look around. Right behind, there was a man, dressed in black who was very tall. When our author/Wal-Mart shopper looked at the eyes of the tall man who was dressed in black, the eyes were completely black. Our shopper got the sense that the black eyed man was evil and hair stood up on the shopper's neck: "I got the sense that he was evil, maybe the Devil himself."

This is pretty much all there is to this particular BEK experience. This is a three (short) paragraph account I found at About .com. The person who offered this story to About .com isn't named.

At a Wal-Mart in Kansas:

A person shopping at a Wal-Mart in Kansas got separated from daughter and mother, ending up in the perfume aisles. The shopper got a strange gut feeling first, then began to look around. The shopper saw a man walk past the aisle who had striking features (in a striped shirt, blonde, tall, good looking), who appeared clean-cut but who had a strange gait. Right after he passed the aisle, he stopped and walked back to it and turned his head to look at the shopper who describes these actions as robotic and odd.

The shopper felt the man with the strange manner of walking was looking right through, scanning, surveying and taking in knowledge of our shopper, and his eyes were totally black and unnatural. The shopper felt great fear and had the feeling of being in danger. The strange man turned his head again and walked away, still in the stilted, jerking manner.

The shopper says it is the eyes that will never be forgotten out of the whole of this experience and is convinced that the man was not even human. The shopper found daughter and mother and left the store shortly after this encounter and calls this incident, "[...] one of the most unnerving experiences of my life."

(one more wal-mart account to be typed out soon. just checking to see if the one I found online matches up with someone who emailed me with a similar account but who wanted to remain anonymous)


Black Eyed Kids - Poetica

I was browsing and reading some interesting articles and poetry at Hub Pages and came across epigramman's poem about Black Eyed Kids.

The poem isn't extremely long but it's fitting to link to:

Black Eyed Kids - a poem by epigramman

It's a reasonable length for a quick read but still packs a punch and says what needs to be said, describing fear and dread, a rapping on the door and the need to stay away from Black Eyed Kids!

Thumbs up!

Thanks for sharing a great poem, epigramman!

Veritas Radio

Veritas Radio online is an interesting site radio show that deals with paranormal and out of the ordinary topics. In August 2012, Author and paranormal researcher, David Weatherly, was on the show to answer questions about BEK's and talk about his newest book, "The Black Eyed Children."

The interview starts around the four and a half minute mark on the video, part 1.

I could have just posted the vid(s) without offering any text but I just wanted to comment on how I enjoy the Veritas Radio intro... not quite "Twilight Zone" far out and a bit like some of the Matrix soundtrack... I just wanted to say it should put you in the mood to listen to off-beat topics.

Veritas Weatherly on Veritas Radio - Interview from August 2012

BEKs and Vampires

BEKs seem to share some characteristics of the undead and/or of vampires.

BEKs often seen at dusk or night time - do they have an aversion to sunlight as vampires apparently do?

BEKs ask for for something. Vampires often do as well...in some tales. There are so many types and versions of vampire tales that it is hard to make straight off comparisons. With vampires, they're alternately silent and deadly with instant attacks or very interactive with potential victims, conversing, possibly sizing a person up, making judgments on what kind of person the potential victim is (perhaps some are spared the attack, depending on the way they conduct themselves).

BEKs ask to be let in. One of the most often mentioned points of vampire lore is that a vampire cannot enter a home where it has not been invited to enter.

BEKs "Let me/us in."

Weatherly on PZTV Show: Do You Believe Interview PT1

BEKs and Demons

Most of what passes for reasons why BEKs might be demons involves emotions, particularly fear. People who have encountered BEKs readily assert to feeling an overwhelming fear over the encounter and also say they can feel a palpable presence of the fear, doom, evil, darkness, etc.

It is possible that all of the above feelings are purely psychological in nature, even when people say they feel a physical presence of doom... "Doom" is a tough physical presence to pin down - however, it could be that the presence of BEKs affects the magnetic, lighwave, or other unseen environments enough that people sensitive to such things can feel a difference.

Many who have reported instances of demonic possession say that the possessed person's appearance changes and in a large number of cases, the face and eyes appear to change dramatically with the eyes darkening or exhibiting a reddish hue.

Weatherly on PZTV Show: Do You Believe Interview PT2

BEKs and Djinn

Some say BEKs are a type of Djinn.

If I knew what the heck I was talking about concerning Djinn, I would comment A LOT about this comparison but Djinn are entities I am quite unfamiliar with. They're one of the very few paranormal/lore types I have never looked much into... (*Hint: If anyone can help me here, I would much appreciate it!).

The possible link between BEKs and Djinn, however, is fairly weak as far as I can tell, with this comparison given very little attention on message boards, blogs, article sites, etc., where BEKs are beign discussed. Partly, those who believe in the existence of Djinn/Genies claim that when Djinn come around, they are very active, considered primarily negative/evil, are often very aggressive. We can note that BEKs are ASSERTIVE in many accounts, occasionally turning to slight verbal aggression but more like verbal insistence or strong assertion.

Again, I honestly have to admit to not knowing much about Djinn. I have insisted on mention of this entity in the hopes that someone will see my failings here and be prompted to provide some information.

BEKs and Tulpas

Similarities or perhaps a cause of the appearance and disappearances of BEK closely resemble accounts involving what people perceive to be tulpa incidents.

A tulpa is a thought form that contains so much energy that it can become solid matter for a time. There are various intensities of tulpa but this is a type of entity that is considered a fairly new topic of study in North America (older and embedded in many ancient belief systems in older lands).

The comparison between tulpa and BEKs is one of the ones I lean toward most. If tulpas are primarily derived from energy vibrations into matter, then the very high level of fear present in most BEK accounts might just be the focus of the tulpa.

It is said that in many BEK encounter cases, if a person shuts the BEK out and then second-guesses what just happened, then looks for the child/children again, usually the person is unable to see them or discover where they went to so quickly. For example, a person may shut and lock the door after seeing a BEK just on the outside step by the door. After a few seconds and calming down, the person may open the door to double check that they actually saw a BEK on the step but then the door is opened again, there is nothing, no person standing there at all - and with a quick eye sweep of the yard, there is no sign of retreating BEK - which should be able to be seen since the door was just closed a few seconds before.

Perhaps, if the BEK is a tulpa, the cut off of contact dispels the tulpa energy and it vanishes? Or it might be possible that, if tulpas feed off fear and BEKs are a type of tulpa, by the time someone double-checks, they've recovered from the washing over of fear and the tulpa/BEK is no longer around. This could be an explanation for BEKs seeming to vanish. If the tulpa has fed, it leaves. If the fear is gone, so is the tulpa.

Whitley Strieber's Dreamland Interview with David Weatherly on BEKs

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lxxy 7 years ago from Beneath, Between, Beyond

"I have my own suspicions about the Black Eyed Kids as being the product of more parental and societal fears."

Way interesting take on this, Mythy. I've read about this before. I'm with you, on your suspicions, because it's not like you hear of someone running into a B.E.K. as often as they do a bigfoot. ;D


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mythbuster 7 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Thx lxxy! I'm still researching on this Bethel fellow. It seems he has made a few other curious posts before which don't turn up easily in regular searches. I've had to follow links and links and links - but he posted a far-fetched 'one' in a forum a couple of years back...about a dream he had when he was a small child...more scary stuff - can you imagine? Muppet faces turning evil and talking to him from the TV screen...it might be that Mr. Bethel has a very active or over-active imagination.

Hysteria does strange things to people - I still maintain that most scary stories and legends tell us much more about the individual or society who speaks and tells the stories...

I think the BEKs are 'possible' but they are SO NEW - they have to be investigated much more - and may turn out to be OUR FEARS projected onto innocent children...this has happened before - remember Hansel and Gretel? Cinderella? Little Red Riding Hood? Adults turn children into evil or in the least, unworthy nuisances, when adults become fearful about living and about life's trials. * Note: Children adapt wonderfully to change much of the time... adults fret and fear change and prefer to stay within the comfortable world they've already made. Holy cow, this is worth another hub, isn't it?

Damn us adults!


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mistyhorizon2003 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

Intruiging stuff and a new one to me which makes it even more fascinating.


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mythbuster 7 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

mistyhorizon2003, have you seen any BEKs around?


Martin J. Clemens 7 years ago

Could you tell me what your source for the Brian Bethel post is. I'm looking for an original copy for research purposes.

If you know of one, please visit my site and send me a message. Thank you!


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Mr. Clemens, I was at your site to attempt to contact you but after clicking around for some time, could not find an email contact for you. "Comments" are not prohibited at this time on your site, so I hope you'll revisit here for the following links and explanation.

Brian Bethel's account has been broadcast widely amongst newsgroup users as his first account of his experience with BEKs was during a time when newsgroups and text-forum formats were a little more popular than they are now. Mostly, nowadays, Bethel's account is copied and pasted on paranormal sites, forums, info-sites etc like the following:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2320527/p...

The Black Vault wiki is short on Bethel information but large on outgoing links:

http://www.theblackvault.com/wiki/index.php/Black_...

.....except the first link to Brian Bethel's account is not working anymore. The site I first read of Bethel's account was at that link, which leads to "Obiwan's UFO-Free Paranormal Page at ghosts org: http://www.ghosts.org/


Soldatenhandel@yahoo.com 6 years ago

Black-eyed kids are real... Black-eyed people are real. I know because I was once one at the age of 15. There's nothing paranormal about black-eyed people and all these crackpot theories are rather disconcerting to say the least. Any one who was in the least attentive or reflective would realize that, when subjected to high amounts of stress or "self-infliced excellence" (I term this, in general, "character") the eyes will become black; the more stress and the longer the stress is maintained the blacker the eyes. When thresholds of this stress are crossed the eyes expand while remaining black. Taken to the extreme the product is a very intellectual individual with a vast understanding and horribly black eyes. Even when you feel happy, calm, pleasant, etc. inside the eyes are always horrible and typically don't reflect the sentiments that the face is expressing at the times it expresses (e.i. they can smile but the eyes are unchanging).

I don't enjoy railing on people for their belief, but the lore behind what some would have as "black-eyed 'demons'" is mundane and the truth of the matter overwhelmingly evident. I genuinely hope this Bethel reporter didn't actually believe in ( or convince himself of) his stories of black-eyed people.

When I was (completely) black-eyed no one would stare me in the eyes. I'd walk down the halls of the school and people would ignore my eyes; those brave enough to even begin to stare in their vicinity would immediately look away, those unable to mask their emotions having a look of pure terror on their face. This eventually irritated me because I knew I wasn't any better than any one else. that every one has the same inherent potential. This aversion to my eyes also branded me as an outcast when I probably needed other people more than at any other time. Because of this irritation and in a kind gesture to the people who couldn't tolerate my eyes, I developed the habit of having my head to the ground and of never looking any one in the eyes. I retain this habit, fostered out of kindness and not shame, mind you, even though the black-eyes are gone. Perhaps this rather lengthy post will convince some one to look with their eyes rather than allowing every fancy to take them.

As a post-script, I can provide a life-consuming exercise to "get" black-eyes that I know works for a fact (though you can get black-eyes by many other ways, it's never easy: hole yourself up in a quiet and, ideally, secluded area. Make your whole life reading. Read until you pass out or until the words are past making sense. Do this every day. Develop the habit of waking up and, without hesitating or a thought to spare, picking up a book and reading. Eventually you won't ever have to take a break (short of eating, going to the bathroom, and sleeping; read while you eat). More importantly, as you progress, concentrate more on the words than the story itself. Maintain this unhealthy, compulsive lifestyle for four months. You will want to give up. Be strong and don't. You'll eventually hear a voice; it certainly isn't natural, the isolation and mental labor you'll be going through. At one point in time you'll "become one with" or do away with the voice. The real aim of this exercise isn't to get such black eyes, but to increase the vistas of your mind greatly. As I said, there are many other and many healthier ways to get black eyes; the exercise I posted is merely a sure-fire way. In truth, you can even have eyes and a mind with much more powerful effects on others; I'll leave those new worlds (seeing as this article treats with the supposedly paranormal, not 'worlds' in the literal sense... for the truly brave to plunge, for near that point you are fully independent and capable of learning of these worlds of knowledge.


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

And how old are you now, Soldatenhandel? I mean, how long has it been since you had these black eyes when you were 15?

I find your theory about stress causing the eyes to both expand and blacken very interesting. Do you have a name for this theory or is there a place where I can examine some arguments related to this theory?

What is the purpose of your postscript - the exercise for getting the eyes to go black? I mean, if you're obviously ridiculing other BEK theories ("There's nothing paranormal about black-eyed people and all these crackpot theories[...]") and have the answer about this phenomena and also say it is an awful thing - why give 'instructions' about it?


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lxxy 6 years ago from Beneath, Between, Beyond

What an interesting line of conversation. I've seen dilated eyes in birds and people with an optometrist.

While "black eye" contacts could be partly to blame, the original fellow who posted his story went all the way back to 1998, before the cosmetic contact industry really took off.

I do believe, though, that if he has made some other interesting claims, such as his Muppet nightmare...most likely these kids were suffering from stress, or probably even LSD, mushrooms, what not have you. Cough syrup. You name it.

And for the original author to be filled with dread at this sight....well, it's no stretch of his imagination.


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hey lxxy, thanks for stopping by to offer your opinions on things related to Bethel and the black eyed kid phenomena in general. You bring up something important: the sclera/black eye contacts weren't "popular" or easily accessible at the time Bethel voiced what happened to him.

Ah - the Muppet nightmare... yes, Bethel has said some odd things prior to his B.E.K. statements, in 1994, when he was about 22 years old. He recounts a waking nightmare he experienced when he was about 4 or 5 years of age, whereby he saw "evil muppets" on television...and the event actually sounds like a poltergeist experience...

Bethel, however, has been largely ridiculed for both the "muppet nightmare" and "BEK experience" stories. Personally, I think Bethel has been honest about his experiences and I dislike the fact that so many people have ridiculed him...

It is interesting that you mention LSD, mushrooms and cough syrup as things that might make kids' eyes appear "black," lxxy, but still, focus on ridiculing Bethel (not by you - just in general) takes a lot of energy away from finding out WHY a bunch of kids are turning up in BEK encounters. If a bunch of kids are running around on LSD, that's a whole other problem in itself that people seem to shrug off in preference to calling Bethel a "nut" or other derogatory things...


nothere777 6 years ago

Mythbuster- thank you for the research and information, but I don't think that it was necessary for you to make fun of Brian. It was too much and you kept going. That wasn't very nice. How would you have reacted if you were there and in the very same situation? I wish people would think first and not try to make fun of someone..


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susanlang 6 years ago

I read this.. and I thing some people need to lighten up!

Loaded with info..rated up!


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hey susanlang, thanks for commenting. I may have made a small "funny" but it's nothing compared to the ridicule that others have directed at Bethel. I may consider revising but I believe I have represented the Bethel account with all serious throughout most of the hub. I do consider that Bethel legitimately felt he experienced what he wrote about, however I presented more than one viewpoint here. Readers can make up their own minds.


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Teeisme 6 years ago

Hi there all. I am the Tee in the story above. I encountered the BEK in 2004. I see it is still being circulated.

It was one of the most terrifying things I had happen to me. But it is totally true and the fear just from being even close to this kid was horrifying.

Evil permeatted from this kid. The eyes were hypnotic and I felt I couldn't even look into them for fear of my life.

Strange but this is true.


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Nice to have your comments here, Tee... email anytime if you have any concerns as to how I presented your details.


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Luckyangel 6 years ago

I want to say that I'm latina and I have black eyes. That is my pupils are not visible ever. Except the optometrist has no problem finding them when I go for an eye exam. However, I was called to the fact that my pupils weren't visible in 4th grade science when we were supposed to dilate a buddy's eye using a flashlight and write about what happens. My partner got upset because my pupils were not visible (still aren't). The teacher just told us what to write. I have to say that no one's been frightened by my eyes. I have to believe that it is the evil behind the black eyes or that the sclera is black as well. It's not just black eyes.


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hello Luckyangel, thanks for stopping by to read and comment. A lot of people have black yes that don't freak people out like the BEK eyes do. I think your last two points are pertinent here - the sclera of the eye being black in BEKs and the sense of evil that comes along with BEK encounters.


Nattefrost 6 years ago

Alright I've come across BEK yesterday and probably have found every single story by now. Here's what I think...Please keep in mind I don't want to make fun of, nor offend anybody by my opinion.

BEK stories seem very interesting, however, the whole thing, when you take into account of how it started and only after the first "report" encounters began to escalate seems a little sketchy. Here's what I mean, let's say I go online and make up a new urban myth on some forum, making it to be whatever fascinating experience I've supposedly had. Now, how much do you want to bet that in the near future there will be other stories online with people claiming to having same exact or quite similar experiences? (Keep in mind I made my story up) I would bet my month's salary on that. And I am 100% sure, I'll win that bet.

If one guy writes about his extraordinary experiences, what stops others, of the millions of internet users from making up similar experiences and posting them on the web, just for sh*ts and giggles? Logically speaking among those millions of web users we could def. find a few of such individuals.

But my main point is: when you take into an account, all the "experiences" that people swear by they've had, such as: alien abductions, ghosts, poltergeist, demonic possessions, stigmata, shadow people, out of body experiences, extra terrestrial beings, men in black, black eyed people, vampires, zombies, big foot, and the list could go on and on. All of which there are accounts of online of people claiming that they or someone they know have had one of those experiences, don't you think that in that kind of world, every single one of us should have "gone through something"? However it is very unlikely, it only happens to people when they are alone, when there are no other witnesses, and there's never any case of physical evidence, never any solid proof. The only thing we can do is either trust that individual or not.

I do love all these stories, they are very entertaining and intriguing, but how could I go about taking them seriously if I've never gone through anything like that, and there was never any solid scientific proof of any of such occurrences. Of course we can talk about governments trying to cover it up, and all these other conspiracy theories, but again, when you try to put some logic to it, it's nothing but fairy tales.

The truth in my opinion is that our mind often plays tricks on us, due to chemical imbalance mainly, and many other factors. Our vision often plays tricks on us due to its reliance and control of our brain, which again is highly affected by chemical balance, lighting of the surroundings we're in, etc. So far it is known that we can only perceive the world around us in 3D, so it is possible that there could be plenty of things around us that we simply can not see due to our "design" and I am not denying the possibilities. But let's look at the hard evidence, physical facts, that we can comprehend and perceive clearly; and if we do, we'd realize that in the end there is nothing that we can hold on to in such cases, except for our own beliefs.


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hello Nattefrost - thanks for stopping by, reading, and commenting. You make some very good and detailed points about our minds playing tricks, our vision playing tricks (often, these "experiences" are Pareidolia phenomena of our own vision/brains). However, there are several accounts of multiple witnesses that I am still interested in learning more about and I think people should take these BEK accounts seriously - at least for the fact that to many of the witnesses, SOMETHING traumatic has happened. What they perceive is taken by them as "true experiences."


Nattefrost 6 years ago

I agree, and I'll keep checking this out, and keep checking on your page here, keep us posted with new discoveries.


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Nattefrost - Thx for checking back again, too. I tend to avoid standard "debunking" and minimizing things down to mere scientific "data," as I believe that human experiences with things such as ghosts, shadow people, UFOs, extrasensory perceptions involve other "ways of knowing" that science cannot manage as an "ultimate authority." There are peoples' emotions, psychological make-up, sociological factors in all human experiences and I feel that science tends to examine the trunks of elephants, so-to-speak, and conclude, "there is no elephant here - just a trunk of some sort" if you know what I mean...


Anonymous 6 years ago

An invisible candle shines forth form behind the silence, inside and underneath the noise i speak with the Dolphins and whales, upon the edges of oblivion I dance and sing for them, light holding shadows approach the mirage ,harken riddles of resurrections, this laughter is from knowing these lips are from yonder, it is your fear that hears the gallops near,an echo pulses as the waves wash their blood on to the shores,the blackness the darkness forever. our song will rain sonorous,form the Puparium we vent riddles of repugnance ,sent of she seduction fragrance.


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Very interesting Anonymous. Thx for sharing...


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evvy_09 6 years ago from Athens, AL

Interesting that no one has really mentioned the fact that the black eyed kid seemed to be trying to hypnotize Mr. Bethel into letting them in and it almost worked. But it does seem like a more modern version of an old urban legend. Something my dad used to tell me

Here is a link to it, but the version that was told to me the driver had all black eyes and he tried harder to convince the person to enter. The potential victim almost listened without realizing it like they were being hypnotized. Of course my dad could have just embellished on it and he liked to tell the story like it happened to him or someone he knew.

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/ghosts/onemore.asp

If you already have a hub about it, sorry, I looked but didn't see it.


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hey = Nice work, evvy_09. Thanks for the link. I'm still reading but the stories seem to have a connection about someone being "coaxed/hypnotized." To me, this is the primary similarity between "The Coachman's Warning" tales and BEK phenomena... No, I don't have a hub on The Coachman's Warning yet but maybe it's time to make one as the tales from the link you've provided prompted me to remember other versions of similar tales I am not seeing detailed at Snopes.


Cracked 6 years ago

I found this story on another website discussing BEK's. This is one of the creepiest encounters I've read.

First, a quick intro about myself. I’m a 26 years old, male. I work at a small private college in Michigan. I’m a normal, average guy. I like hockey, HBO shows, kayaking, and hiking/camping. I have a girlfriend, love my dad and sister, and have a pet dog named Bear. While I keep an open mind, I don’t believe in ghosts, aliens, big-foot, and am not even too sure about God. The way I see it, if I haven’t encountered it first hand or seen documented, verifiable proof then I keep a healthy amount of skepticism. There is one thing I do believe in now that I never did before, hell I didn’t even know about it before – black freaking eye kids.

As I said earlier, I love(ed) to hike and camp. For reasons too introspective to get into fully here I just loved the solitude, peace, and serenity the outdoors provided me. My life is not overly stressful, chaotic, or dramatic, but every once in a while a man needs to get away from it all. Being alone in the wilderness gave me the opportunity to clear my head, be introspective, consider the facts of life. I loved the beauty of the natural world, and I try to appreciate the small and big things, from the smallest clover to the biggest mountain. Beauty is all around us. In a way, I think it’s my belief in beauty that has helped me cope as well as I have with what I’m about to share. In late August of 2010 I set out for Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore located along Lake Michigan. I had schedule five days off of work, and I planned on making the most of it. Sleeping Bear is one of my favorite parks in lower Michigan. I know it to be a great place for some solitude, and having usually been abandoned by sun worshipers by mid August I knew I’d have most of the park to myself. So, I wasn’t surprised when I arrived the fist day, found my usually parking spot, a sand parking lot just yards from the lake, and didn’t see another person. As I sat on the hood of my car, overlooking the beach and the lake, I remember breathing deeply and saying aloud “thank God for solitude.” I ate lunch, walked down the beach and put my bare feet into the water. Cold. Very cold. It didn’t matter to me though, because I didn’t come to swim. I came to hike, and to camp. I came to, as was my tradition, sit by a warm fire on a cool night, sipping on my flask of whiskey, enjoying the sounds of the forest. However, this peaceful tradition didn’t happen. The proper procedure when camping at a state or national park, if you’ve never been, is to check in at a ranger station. There you pay your fees, obtain your backcountry pass, if you’re going to be camping in the backcountry as I always do, and give the rangers your information: license plate number, make and model of your car, etc. After my quick stop off at the beach to eat my lunch, I headed to the nearby, a fifteen or so minute drive, and get my affairs in order. The Platte River Ranger Station is manned until mid October, I think, so it was open and I didn’t have to travel to the main station a ½ hours drive north. I park in the station’s parking lot, and walk into the office. The ranger and I speak for a little and he asks me for my license plate number. I knew he was going to ask, but I still forgot to write it down before I went in, so I walk back out toward my car, and I see two kids sitting at a bench just in front of where I’m parked. They weren’t there when I parked, and I didn’t notice them when I walked in to the station, but at this point in time I’m still on cloud nine. I’m happy to be on vacation, so I take no real notice. I walk to the back of my car, jot down the license plate number and walk back to office. I take care of business in the office and step out and walk to the connecting bathroom. The backcountry area I’m staying at, White Pine, has a pit-toilet, think port a john but just with a deep hole in the ground, but I’d like to use a real bathroom while I can. I go into the restroom and go into the empty stall. As I’m taking care of my business, I hear the bathroom door open. I hear whispered voices. It’s a small bathroom, but I can’t make-out what the voices are saying. I can tell they’re kid’s voices though, and I figure it’s the kids I saw near my car earlier. No biggie, right? I finish up, and open the stall door. Sure enough, there are the two kids standing outside the stall. I remember saying, “it’s all yours.” As I walked to the sink. The kids just stood there. When you think about it now, in reading, the situation seems a little spooky, but at the time, and if you were in the situation yourself I’d bet that you wouldn’t be the slightest bit worried and neither was I. I was my hands, and glance in the mirror, only to notice the kids are looking right at me. This is the first time, but certainly not the last time, on this trip that my spine tingles with fear. The god damn kids have completely black eyes. No whites to their eyes at all. Like I said, this is a pretty small bathroom and they were not more than three feet away. At first I can’t do or say anything. I am literally frozen with fear. The water runs over my hands, but I can’t feel it. I’m so deep inside my head at this moment that all I can hear are my thoughts, which were something like “Ahhhhhh!.” All joking aside, I was petrified. It was only when one of the kids, a brown haired boy that I would guess was around twelve took a step toward me that my fight or flight instincts took over control from my fear. I turned off the water, why I bothered I don’t know habit I guess, and moved a step back from the kids and toward the door. Seemingly sensing my fear the boy didn’t take another step toward me. Instead he stopped, on retrospect I can guess he was trying to keep from frightening me too much – didn’t work kid! “Can you help us?” That’s what the boy said when one of us finally spoke. For a moment I did want to help. I consider myself a pretty nice guy. I’d go out of my way to help pregnant women carry groceries to their car. I’d rescue cats from trees if the situation arose, and for a while I thought that is why I wanted to help those creepy kids. I thought, my sheer decency was what made me, despite my better judgment, and despite my fear want to help them. Only since I began researching the BEK’s do I realize that I didn’t want to help those kids, but whatever, magical, mystical voo-doo, power they have made me want to help them. I can’t tell you with any certainty how long I stood motionless thinking about helping those kids, but it seemed like an eternity. Finally, like a physical shaking of my brain I said “No, Not right now. I gotta go.” And then I left the bathroom.

I remember in that two seconds my back was turned on those kids to me leaving the bathroom I felt certain I was going to die. I thought as soon as my back was turned they were going to tear me to shreds. It was with knee buckling relief that I left the bathroom and walked out into the midday sun. I walked the fifteen or so feet to my car, on noodle like legs, too afraid to look behind me. I fumbled for my keys and unlocked my door, sat down, closed the door and locked it. Only then, in the safety of my locked car, did I feel safe enough to look back toward the bathroom. Damned if the little bastards weren’t standing just outside the bathroom staring at me with the big, black soul sucking eyes. I want to take moment to explain a little bit more about myself. I’m not a big man, but I’m not small either. I’m six foot, with shoes on I always say, and am around 185 pounds. What I’m saying is I can take a couple twelve year olds in a fight (I assume, having never actually fought any twelve year olds since I was twelve myself). In my hiking, I’ve encountered odd people before. I’ve turned a bend in a trail only to startle a huge grizzly bear. I’ve been lost, once, and ran out of water, once, and I even had a tree fall in the middle of my campsite during a gale swept night in Tennessee –as I was drifting off to sleep! However, not a single


Cracked 6 years ago

below is a link to the encounter above

http://www.ghosttheory.com/2010/10/26/submitted-st...


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Thanks for the link to the rest of the account, Cracked. What a terrifying situation - a long-term (over a couple of days/nights) or multiple sighting (being followed by BEKs) is frightening to even imagine!

What seems most awful about the whole account is that the BEKs seem to have followed the camper/individual who went out camping... mind you, at one point, the man "invited" the two BEKs "in," so-to-speak. Likely, this is why they ended up following him out to the camp area deep in the woods.

Creepy.


Walt 6 years ago

They are not real and the mind can conjure strange sites that seem physical and are not.


Curious 6 years ago

I had an encounter with a young man with solid black eyes. I was working at a community days event at a booth promoting health insurance for the company i worked for. A young man with black eyes, and longish dark hair stood in front of the booth, and stared at me. He smiled and I was immediately frightened. I tried to avoid his gaze, and I tried to pretend that it didn't bother me, hoping he would leave. He never said anything to me, but I felt that he knew my thoughts. He also could tell that I was good, and he wanted me to know that he was evil. He left after few minutes. This was in summer of 2004 near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Walt, thanks for stopping by to provide us with your opinion. You're definitely not the only person who feels that these BEKs are conjured by the mind or an overactive imagination. I definitely do think these stories are worth examining, however, because many people considered "stable" of mind and who are called "logical" thinking people by their friends have experienced BEKs.


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Very interesting details you've shared here, "Curious." Your account is similar to many I've encountered, particularly in this "fear" or "dread" you seem to have felt when this black eyed person was standing near you. Any idea of the guy's age? You used the descriptor of "young man." Are you using "young man" as a term to be polite in place of "teen" or a similar young age? Or do you think the individual was the age of a "young man," say, 20-ish or 25-ish?


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Curious, I notice you have posted quite anonymously. You can safely use the "contact" above near my profile details if you have more to say on the subject of BEKs.


Curious 6 years ago

By "young man", I meant early twenties. That was the only time I have ever seen a black eyed person, but he made such an impact that I have never forgotten about it. For some reason, the other day, it kept popping up in my memory, and I googled it, and ended up on your site. Very interesting.


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hello Curious - thanks for returning to drop down a few more details. In all my reading, I'm coming up with almost no "young man" types around the early twenties age group, so your details are very interesting to me. I've taken note of a few email accounts (stories related to me by email) and such that contain "young adult" types but mostly, "Tee's" account ("Tee" an apartment manager who wrote to about .com regarding her experience...saw approx 17yr old male who frightened her very badly - black orbs for eyes, etc) is one that tells of one of the oldest age groups usually mentioned in a BEK account. Most eyewitnesses are saying they are approached or see pre-teen children or people 17 years of age or under.

There's one well-known "Starbuck's account" where a young lady spotted a strange man (definitely not a child) who had pitch black eyes and seemed to communicate telepathically... she left Starbuck's immediately and did not look back.


Curious 6 years ago

No, I definitely wouldn't classify him as a kid or a child. Who knows, maybe he was a creep in contact lenses. I don't know, but he scared me to the core. Thanks for all of your research.


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hey Curious - thx for stopping by again. Your fear of this guy with black eyes is common to all BEK encounters, so I will keep checking around to see if there are more "adult BEK" encounters. Strangely, the kids are the more common.


Rob 5 years ago

I had an experience in 1993 with a black eyed person. He was around 17 (my age at the time) and alone. My friend and I were driving after school and we came to an intersection where this person was standing in the grass off to the side. It seemed odd to stand there because there was no sidewalk. As we got close he turned towards our car and I (in the passenger seat) made eye contact with him. I instantly felt the fight/flight response because it was as if he looked through me and knew my thoughts. I've never been so intimidated by a look before or since. I'm now 34 and still remember it clearly.

I don't believe other accounts of asking for rides, etc but I know what I saw. His eyes were all black.


Michael1387 5 years ago

So I apologize first off if I am restating something that has already been said. With that being said I understand everyones different beleifs in what these "BEKs" are and let me tell you that they are far more sinister and intelligent than you can imagine. I have been studying in the field of demonology for the past 5 years and have been through 24 years of supernatural hell, ranging from ghost apparitions to full on demonic oppression. These BEK's are without a doubt in my mind demonic. The way they speak with perfect diction and almost intellectual in their conversation being that most of these encounters have been with young children is quite odd for the language they use. Having to be invited into a persons car or home and not being able to enter unless they receive verbal invitation. And of course the biggest telltale sign is the infamous "black souless eyes" acoumpanied by the feeling of dread and a dark evil presence. Your gut dose not lie to you and even if you arent a beleiver in "evil" per say all the accounts still refer to the feeling of a "dark" presence when around these beings. As far as the invitation goes it is also a telltale sign of a demon; demons being eons of years old and being as dark and powerful as they are still have to abide by cosmic law meaning that they cannot enter "your" property being your car or home or anywhere you have ownership unless you where to give them verbal consent(Now you know where the vampire myth stems from). The reason why they usually appear as children is to gain your trust. Obviously you will feel bad for a poor lost child and would love nothing more than to let them in on a cold dark night....that's exactly what they want. Or sometimes appearing as young teenagers or a person of your own age, someone that can gain your trust easily. Their not going to appear as a crazed dirty man weilding a knife, scaring people off would work against them. The dark feeling you get when there near, your body can sense something that wants to do it harm and it reacts by sending you into a fight or flight mode. These beings are filled with so much hate and evil that it emotes off of them like a black aura, hitting you with waves of their emotions. The reason for the black eyes is obvious, being evil in nature and being void of any soul, their eyes are just showing you the emptiness that is inside. If you have ever heard the term "the eyes are the window to the soul" that would explain the empty black, these beings have no soul. The reason behind their odd speech and diction is like I stated before, these beings have been around for thousands of years, they are not a child as they appear to be. They are unfortunatley smarter than humans and they speak as well educated people because frankly they have had time to practice. I also would bet that if anyone where to begin speaking in another language that these BEK's would respond in that language, even if switched up to multiple dialects I bet you they would follow with even better pronounciation. Unless they catch onto what your pulling and play it off seeing that your testing them. The reason for the fowl smell from their breath or just the smell of them as many have stated is also demonic in nature, the putrid smell of garbage or decay in many cases sulfur. These are the scents of a demon, just think of the most revolting smell you can think of...thats what you will smell when near them. Also I haven't read this alot in the testimonies but they usually are preseaded with 3 knocks on either the door or the window, obviously many have just run into these beings but if that dose happen I urge not to answer their knocking because opening that door or window is all the invitation they need. Now to say that these things are pure demons in their corporial form or possibly possesed humans that we truthfully wont know. But I lead more to the first only because its practically unheard of for an innocent 5 year old could come under possesion but then again we cant prove that for sure. I apologize for the misspelling and if what I wrote is comfusing but Im typing this at work and trying to do both.


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mythbuster 5 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Michael1387, I tried to "follow" you on HP after reading your comments but I see you're here to comment, not write hubs. I followed you anyway - in the hopes that we can share some dialoge about BEKs in the future. I will be moving your comment into the main content area of the hub in a few hours as I feel your content is a worthy "account" of BEK Theory. Thanks so much for your attempts at explaining the BEK phenomenon.


Hmm 5 years ago

My encounter:

I was getting ready to go to the post office and I'm playing out in my head moonwalking down the driveway. As soon as I open the door I noticed this kid standing in the street directly facing me. He then immediately moonwalks down to the end of my next door neighbor's property and then runs off laughing. This left me half startled and a little 'just a coincidence' type of feeling. I didn't get to see his eyes, and didn't feel threatened, and his intent was mischief.

As for the black eyes thing, wide eyes with pupils fully dilated and pale skin are signs that person is really agitated and ready for flight or attack. And a person's instincts are telling them just that when their hairs stand up or something, according to 'Manwatching: A Field Guide to Human Behavior.'


Michael1387 5 years ago

Mythbuster, thanks for your comment! I just signed up to this page solely to comment on this particular subject because frankly i had never heard of BEK's before and followed a link here. I would love to share dialog about this subject with you among many others, this is kind of a job for me so any information I can learn or help others to learn is great.


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mythbuster 5 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Rob - sorry for the late reply - I did not mean to ignore you... the last four or five comments and sets of concepts have required a lot of my attention. Rob, I did not wish to comment too early before I let your account sink in, so-to-speak. I just wanted to check out some of the very minimal details you provided ie: year of event, ages, etc. Rob - where did this sighting occur? Your account fits in with much of the other stuff said about BEKs.


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mythbuster 5 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hmm you may have encountered a teen prankster, not a BEK?


Hmm 5 years ago

'Hmm you may have encountered a teen prankster, not a BEK?'

Never got to see the eyes, but he looked like a typical skater teen and that it appeared that had read my mind. The only thing missing there would be the somewhat unearthly appearance.


Hmm 5 years ago

Ok, this not really anything new. Black eyes where originally tied to the MIBs of ufo lore. I guess the shadow people and BEK are just newer versions.

" ...and stared at her steadily with his jet-black eyes, grinning all the while."

From The Mothman Prophecies - John A Keel

http://books.google.com/books?id=RHlpjud_K14C&prin...

Just do a search with 'black' or 'Apol'

John Keel, Jacques Vallée, and a few others thought these were the activities of government agents with the main objective being to deliberately induce paranoia in certain groups.

Note: Historically just about all of the activities were carried out by low level informants and not the agents themselves. So kids certainly wouldn't be omitted, especially if their parents are the official informants.


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mythbuster 5 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Thanks for the info, Hmmm, how long have you been looking into or pulling up info on BEKs, Keel, etc?


Hmm 5 years ago

When 'xfiles'came out, I bought 3 books on ufos and related material. And when that mothman movie came out in 2002 I went and bought John keels book the movie was based on. Since the net came into vogue, though, I mainly mainly just use forums and blogs.


Sketch 5 years ago

Does anyone know anybody who studies things like this. I'm kinda an amateur in occult studies and have been obsessed with BEKs when I first read about them more than a year ago. I have kept a log of every story I have found pertaining to these BEKs. Where I live frowns on even the thought of demon study and anything not related to the church, so ANY information on the occult is rare around here. The web only has so much, so if anyone knows a good book, website, or even a person to contact, it would be awesome. Please and thank you.

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mythbuster 5 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hello, Sketch. Thanks for stopping by. I don't know anyone who is an actual expert BEKs, sightings, or who can even explain their existence. Like you, I've been searching online for a long time, collecting information about these BEK accounts. I think some people who have experienced a BEK encounter have had a legitimate and traumatic experience while some experiences are hoaxes. I don't know what more to tell you. I keep writing about BEKs in the hopes that people will talk about the topic and use critical thinking regarding the topic of BEKs. I get emails from people via hubpages - people who say they've seen a BEK - and I treat those emails as legitimate as those who have written so far seem genuinely shaken by the experiences.


avenger 5 years ago

My man that picture on top of your page was a little girl who died shortly after that pic was taken. She was trapped for days in toxic water after an earthquake. The pic gave me the chills because of the fact that this kid had to face death so young and her Terrible physical state


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mythbuster 5 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

avenger - the pic gives me the chills, as well. In fact, I can't stare at it for long, or else I don't sleep on the given day or eve I view the photo - for a variety of reasons.


Sue 5 years ago

In Texas I was walking out of a little family owned gas station when I got about 8 feet from the door in walks this man and woman they looked to be in their forties and BOTH had Completely black eyes (no whites visible)they were dressed in clothes that looked way out of date like from the 30's or something. I had to walk by them to leave the store when I got near them they stopped walking and just stood and stared at me and I stopped and stared at them. I didn't feel any fear and I didn't feel scared. I felt like they wanted to tell me something. I noticed that their clothes smelled Really old. They were both wearing brown colored clothing the man a suit made in thirties with a hat on and the woman had on a long brown skirt and short brown jacket like top and they both had on old looking shoes from like the thirties. I don't know who they were but, I definitely had a feeling they were not from earth!


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mythbuster 5 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

A very interesting experience you've shared, Sue. When did this event happen? Was this in a known area to you or were you just passing through this location in TX? I wonder if anyone else from the area remembers this same couple, dressed in old clothing...


amy 5 years ago

I have read a lot about these BEK's, and am truly interested, amazing stories and information you have here, but just want to say... that photo you have there of the little girl should really be removed regarding this issue because that picture was taken during a natural disaster, dont know where, dont know when, but her leg was trapped under the stagnant water and she had been there for a few days. Her eyes are like that due to infections caused by the filthy, bacteria ridden water. she later died, so I think to have that photo in this discussion is a bit disrespectful.

Sorry to be a pain, but felt kind of sickened to see that worldly renowned photo, knowing the story behind it, on a discussion like this.


Amy 5 years ago

Sorry to post again, but just wanted to send you the link encase you didn't believe me.

Thanks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omayra_S%C3%A1nchez


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mythbuster 5 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Thanks for sharing the link and your concerns, Amy. I have re-captioned the area around the photo but I feel I will let the photo stand as an example showing that no child can survive an event and toxins which go so far as to blacken the eyes as the unfortunate girl had.


Amy 5 years ago

Thank you, very much appreciated.

Ok now on to the subject in hand lol. I have only read accounts about BEK's from America and a few in Australia,do we know if there are any in the UK?


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mythbuster 5 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Amy, I have been trying, for about 6mo, to find BEK accounts out of the UK and haven't found much information. Will you be signing up at HP so I can keep in touch with you if I find something?

(I'm looking into the possibility that BEKs are an American phenomenon - or at least the language surrounding them is... and that some accounts in the UK of grays/strange humanoids are actually different ways to describe BEKS)


Amy1210 5 years ago

Hmmm very strange... I found this on the ATS forum, the man who posted said the two children seemed like they were putting on an Australian accent. You have probably read it, but will post it anyway.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread616230/p...

Have just made an account so yes please keep me updated :)


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mythbuster 5 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hello Amy1210 - glad to see you with a member account at HP now. Thanks for the link. I hadn't read that BEK account before but found it very interesting. I am a member at the forum abovetopsecret so I'll see if I can contact the user who posted that account, ask some questions, etc.


Gboogie 5 years ago

Wow Mythbuster ... when I was a little girl I would see many crazy things that up to today I wonder if they were real. when I was at 7 yrs old ... I was sleeping in my own room and bed but ended up in my parents bed but before waking up there ... I remember floating in the air outside my windown looking onto traffic ... I really can't explain it as I saw it and still see it in my mind and memory. I use to see witches and scary things that again I repeat I wonder if they were real or just my imagination or mind playing tricks on me. Till today I see things and my boy friend makes fun of me ... which is nothing to be made fun of ... I'm a very curious person and I would love to come across a BEK ... I know that I will probably be scared out of my ass and probably pass out but I'm willing to face many people's fears ... I have a friend who is reading the BEK book and I can't wait to read it as well ...


TLC 5 years ago

I had two experiences and with two different people I knew, they were elderly woman in their mid 60's, both eyes turned completely black. They would blink in a middle of a conversation and their normal human eyes would change. No contacts and no changing of stressed eyes, it was not human. If anything it was pure evil, I felt the need to run and get far away from this person in both occasions. Oddly one of the woman is my husbands Aunt. I cant bring myself to ever see her again. I felt it was a demon. In both instances the woman appeared to be very kind elderly woman until I saw the Black eyes. Now I question overly kind people thinking they are a demon. I have encountered many Phenomenon prior to and after this experience. My husband and I and our children have experiences and we are Christians. I am so fed up with the devil. Praise Jesus!


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mythbuster 5 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Gboogie, what you've described of experiences when you were young sounds like lucid dreaming or something. If you're still seeking out a BEK experience, might I suggest you learn much more about these first? I hope your friend will be able to lend the book to you soon and that there is some information in the book that will be helpful for you.


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mythbuster 5 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

TLC - have you spoken to other family members about the aunt? Have other people seen the black eyes and felt dread as you have?


baal 5 years ago

I haven't read through all of this but a search of something from my past I was curious about brought me here.

When I was a teenager I would have lucid dreams involving an elderly couple with solid black eyes that would stare at me and laugh. The dreams were quite terrifying and I would wake up sweating.

The odd thing is the dreams would happen months apart. I would say there were a couple that were even longer than a year between.

After high school I enlisted in the Marine Corps. This is when I had the last of those dreams. In it I found myself riding as a passenger in an old car driving down a country road with no houses. It was overcast and clearly autumn as the trees had already changed. I heard the familiar laughing coming from the driver's seat. I turned my head to see that old man with those eyes looking at me and laughing. At first I was paralyzed with fear again. Then I clearly remember thinking in the dream to myself "Wait a second. I'm a U.S. marine." and decided I was going to attack the old man. I awoke instantly. I felt angry and sat up with my fists clenched looking around the room. Then I realized what had happened and that it was just another one of those dreams.

That was 15 years ago and I have never dreamed of those black eyed elderly people since.

Maybe that isn't helpful information concerning the topic as my experiences were only dream related and you are speaking of actual real encounters of people with black eyes. Or perhaps there is some connection. I don't know.


DEDS 5 years ago

can i ask if you also have any ideas about persons having a parents that somewhat peculiar. i knew a person who have a grandmother on his mother side, who even her own son and daughter rejects her for being an aswang (her son is quite well-off and her daughters are also well-off but are afraid to take care of her because when she dies she will pass it to them)... this person's father is suspected to have a knowledge about using a small dark book which contains a Latin prayers that can have ill effects to other person.. his relatives are known warriors in our country that is affiliated with a group who is said to eat the ears of their enemies... hope you can give light to my friends worries... thank you very much and God bless...


Stacey E 5 years ago

So, this Bethel character lives in Texas, and he uses the term "cheque"? (more than once?) Highly unlikely, unless he's also claiming he just moved there from Canada or the UK.

Interesting that nobody ever heard of such a thing until him.

Also interesting that the people who claim to see or encounter ghosts used to see whole filmy people, now it's anything that reflects light. Any speck of dust reflecting back at their camera lens is "proof" of an encounter.

Our fellow humans are full of crap. Just because the real world isn't as exciting as the X Files, people have to make up stuff to get attention. And unfortunately, sucker a bunch of the eager and easily fooled.


Yep 5 years ago

Believe in what I do because any other explanation is wrong. That is the topic here.


Soldatenhandel 5 years ago

"Yep 3 months ago

Believe in what I do because any other explanation is wrong. That is the topic here."

That sums up the human condition nicely as well.

mythbuster 16 months ago

"And how old are you now, Soldatenhandel? I mean, how long has it been since you had these black eyes when you were 15?"

I'm currently nineteen and enlisting within the Army's Special Forces soon.

"I find your theory about stress causing the eyes to both expand and blacken very interesting. Do you have a name for this theory or is there a place where I can examine some arguments related to this theory?"

Eh, it's not theory. Rather fact; stress and low-light environments cause the iris to dilate. Constant and high levels of stress or low-light can lead to very queer effects (such as entirely black eyes or (believe it or not) purple eyes-which can be seen in those who have grown accustomed to night-time conditions).

http://www.livestrong.com/article/127113-causes-di...

"What is the purpose of your postscript - the exercise for getting the eyes to go black? I mean, if you're obviously ridiculing other BEK theories ("There's nothing paranormal about black-eyed people and all these crackpot theories[...]") and have the answer about this phenomena and also say it is an awful thing - why give 'instructions' about it?"

Because by saying just that maybe some one of the armchair speculators that will likely read this will try to get black eyes themselves and so come to know the truth. I really hate to sound like a know-it-all... in fact, I make it a point to abstain from that in reality. But... sometimes people going off on wild tangents about faery circles, alien angels and the like can just get to one. Hypocritically enough I like to research these very things-- not out of any vested belief, but simply because fantasy is a welcome reprieve from the harsh finality of the real world.

On a side-note I used to watch "The O'Reilly Factor". Coming back to this page made me remember a particular episode that I had watched half-a-year ago: in this episode was a U.S. Navy S.E.A.L. His iris had expanded enough to render his eyes entirely black except for a very slight and hardly noticeable band of white sclera on the utmost periphery of either eyeball. While this means his eyes weren't wholly black, that is the closest media display of anything even approaching someone with eyes that are completely black that I've seen.

And, in parting, I really wish I could at least make an attempt to explain why people feel such dread around people who have NATURAL and WHOLLY black eyes... but that's just one of those things that I'm not articulate enough to put into words. It's just... something you have to feel and utilize the effects of to fully understand. Sorry to all those black-eyed kids out there who are tired of the negative publicity, hopefully in the future this phenomenon will be given some earnest thought and so seriously researched to clear up all this "black-eyed people are demons/aliens" offal.


Onceuponatime35 4 years ago

my story :

im 16 almost 17. one day i walked into school...the first week of my junior year. i walked thru the doors with all kinds of different thoughts going thru my head..not really paying attention to things around me. I step thru the door...all of a sudden my mind went blank of all thoughts seemed to disapear. five seconds later i look up and a ALL black eyed freshmen boy was staring at me he had nice blue jeans,shirt,shoes and hat.very attractive. when i walked thru the door our engergies somehow regongnized each others..for some reason i wasent afraid or scared.I was more hypmotized by his presence and aura. everything about him was instantly perfect. he had a cockyness to him i liked. a mysterious intreging boy.. ..i continued walking but kept staring at him....i couldent look away. Now im going to back up a second and tell a little bit about me..I beleive in the supernatural, in demons, in god. I am an indigo child and have the gift of being able to sense different energies and emotions quickly and more in depth then our natural human instinct. Iv been like this sience birth and have only encountered this once but have met similar souls. I believe they arnt demons but lost souls waiting to be found. reborn to find their purpose..to have another change...the black eyes are a portrait of the souls heavy regret and dispare from past lives.


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

You provide a very interesting argument about BEKs, Onceuponatime35. Why all the dread surrounding these beings - if they are merely lost souls trying to be reborn? What do you think they need in order to be reborn? Something that resonates with me at your mention of "souls" is that many people, in describing their experiences/encounters with BEKs say "Black orbs for eyes/soul-less eyes."

Thanks for commenting and for the persuasive argument. I hope you will return to say more.


Onceuponatime35 4 years ago

they are trying to get over a traumatic situation that happen in there present life and can not and will not for eternity....such as a murder. the dreadful energies are spread out to the world thru their aura so they have a persona of dread surrounding them they are trying to be reborn while still being in their human bodies.

the only thing they need to be reborn is time..


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Thanks for returning to share knowledge, Onceuponatime35. Can you direct me to some writings on this perspective you hold about energies, these beings that need to be reborn, etc?


lexi 4 years ago

im 17, and i am very interested with all this paranormal stuff. i have never encountered anything, but i do enjoy reading about it. but one thing i find that doesn't make sense about the beks, is that i really dont believe they are harmful. i do get that people sense a feeling of evil when around them, but the more i read, the more i think that their purpose is for something other that to kill.

when first reading, i only found stories about a bek approaching the person when in their car or house, ect, and asking to be let in. and of course, they can not come in unless given permission. no one ever invited them in, so no one knew exactly what would happen to them if they did, but they were sure they would die.

well after reading about these, i became a believer. but after continueing my research, i found stories of people encountering beks out in the open, and now im not so sure what to believe.

if the beks only reason for existing was to kill, and thats why they always asked to come in, then why didn't they kill when people encountered them out in the open?

this just does not make sense to me.

i do believe that beks are out there, but i really dont think they are evil.


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hi lexi. Thanks for stopping by to comment and share your thoughts on BEKs. Hardly anyone has any well-rounded theories on BEKs but more people seem to think they are very dangerous than not and more people than not also seem to believe they are evil. I just keep looking for more information on BEKs. Will post if I find something more that helps with explanations.


Annon 4 years ago

Hei. I was reading up on the black eyed kids and I stumbled over a blog which has two posts, which are not about them, but mention black eyed children.

This blog is rather odd, makes you shiver and wonder, if you have the time to read it all.

Anyway, the first reference to the black eyed children is in a post named “old town” – which is about the town of “Sighisoara”, where Dracula was born. (Vlad the Impaler). Apparently there’s strong evidence in that part of the world, in old manuscripts, of a tale which spans over 2000 years, a tale that relates of how the town was built. It all comes down to the fact that apparently a black eyed child ordered the town to be built in that exact spot.

You really have to read the whole post to understand, otherwise you will think it’s just weird talk.

The other post which relate the appearance of two black eyed children, aged around 16, is called “no good deed goes unpunished” – and talks about how two black eyed children kissed a 1 year old boy and apparently healed him from leukemia. They also put a necklace around his neck.

Again, you have to read the whole post, or the whole blog, to understand. The blog is not about black eyed kids, but I found references of them inside it and I feel that they are somehow players in a much bigger scheme that we could fathom.

Check it out.

Oh, this is the link to the first post http://onvampires.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/old-tow...

If you feel like reading the whole blog, make sure you read the “about me” or “who I am” page and the very first post. Won’t make any sense if you don’t.

I just thought to share this with you because I’m as interested in black eyed children as you are.


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Annon - thanks for the information. I have followed the link already and am just about to start reading from the blog.


bnwonder 4 years ago

I'm investigating black eyed phenomenon because my girlfriend says that several times before we had intimate encounters that my eyes turned black. I asked her, Do you mean my pupils were dilated? No, she said, your eyes were completely black including the 'whites'. I asked her if she was frightened by that? She said, No as I also had a beautiful smile on my face. This is the first I'd heard of this & will have her take a picture of my eyes next time she notices they are totally black.


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Interesting details, bnwonder. Let me know what the photos show, please!


bnwonder 4 years ago

Will do.


Padawan 4 years ago

My encounters with BEKs began in the summer of '01. I was 21 at the time and awoke one early morning very drowsy. I walked to the dresser mirror and was horrified by my own reflection. My skin was transluscent showing my veins with almost a glow, and my eyes were completely black. The pure dread was indescribable, and I sat in horror for several minutes.

There was a feeling like I had been blind for my entire life and in a moment had the ability to see. It was overwhelming. When I gathered the courage to look at myself again, I had returned to normal.

About a week later I awoke late in the night and was drawn by this new feeling to walk into my backyard. Waiting for me was a 20ish, thin, pale blonde(yellowish white hair) woman. She faced away from me until I was standing beside her. When I looked into her eyes they were entirely black. She said "I've missed you," but her eyes also seemed to have a commanding welcoming force over me. I took her hand and we began to run. I know that we moved impossibly fast. I am unsure how much time I spent with her, but she conveyed sorrow while telling me that I wouldn't remember that time.

I have only shard this story in confidence with one person before. For the next three years I found myself confronted with paranormal investigators, self proclaimed psychics, demonologists, and self proclaimed demons. I was like a lightning rod for the paranormal. With this attention seemed to follow increasing intense negativity in normal and abnormal ways. I was being followed and watched regularly by a growing number of shady characters.

In 2004 I moved very abruptly 1000+ miles south. I was in a rural, almost remote area. Things were calm for nearly a year until massive packs of coyotes started making my house a nightly visit. As they encroached it was as if my new sense could feel them. They would howl in a unison that sounded like a scream, and wouldn't stop unless I went outside. When I would go outside I could see and feel their glowing eyes trained on me, some would pace, others would be still. The coyotes would do this at least 5 times a month for the next 8-9 months. One night I heard nothing but felt like they were right outside my door. I walked out and saw a human figure standing about 20 feet away pacing much like the coyotes. The figure was very tall and thin, wore a kindof grey jacket, pants, and hat. It was like a 3D shadow. I noticed as it stopped pacing and stood still that it had no legs below the knees, or they were somehow transparent. I couldn't see the face. The figure invoked a great fear, but I approached it. It began to run without moving its legs, and it moved with an unnatural speed away from me as it vanished into some dark woods.

Once again I moved far away. I am in a much more urban center, and have attracted little attention like before. I have just discovered that BEKs are a thing outside my experience. Part of my fears the phenomena, and regrets posting here, as I feel it could reinvoke the negativity storm. Part of me yearns to see the one that took me for a "run" over ten years ago. I am reluctant to give locations in comments, but have seen some familiar ones posted above. I am seeking information just like much of you.


onceuponatime35 4 years ago

zozo says they are all bad influences, night crawlers, love satan, like of the party...demons of 2012


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Zozo would know, wouldn't he? Isn't Zozo a demonic spirit? Perhaps Zozo influences them. What do you think, onceuponatime35?


babygirl11 4 years ago

I have my own theory. But its kinda hard to explain. Ive been researching bek's for a while now. Im 16 now and ive been having the same nightmare for the past seven years almost every night. I haven't heard of bek's since about 2 years ago but in my nightmare they're there. But theres a lot of them and not just a couple. I find it weird that ive dreamt about them for five years BEFORE i even knew they exsisted or were made up or watever. But im writing a book about my nightmare. I cant really explain my theory but ill explain it in my book. Im a talented reader and will be writing it from their point of view to show my theory. Ill comment on here again to tell yall wen u can view it to tell me wat u think. By the way, my names emma. Oh and another thing that i find weird which may or may not have anything to do wit bek's is that...well...ive always had these things. Ever since i was about 4 or 5 (which is the youngest i can remember anything) ive seen things. Weird things and it might sound really crazy but i see dead people and usually how they die too. Itss usually wen im awake and focusing on something like zoning out. Its like a faded memory playing out in front of me. Also, wen i dream and dont have the nightmare about the bek's, well...my dreams tend to come true. To the exact movement and sound. I usually forget about them but wen they happen i get migranes or siezures. My doctor says he has no idea wat causes my migranes or siezures so ive come to believe that its not really something since or medicine can explain. Just like the bek's. Well im rambling. I just wanted to share this info and ill post my book wen i finish it. Maybe in a month or two. But it'll only be the rough draft. Well bye bue now. :)


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

babygirl11/emma, keep me informed. I'd like to know what your theory is where BEKs are concerned. Stay safe!


rose 4 years ago

i had an experience about 10 years ago with this. i was with my then best friend and we were trying to find a way out of her new apartment complex. there were several gated entryways and i pulled up to one near the back of the development. the gate didn't move, so i figured the motion detector must be broken. then i heard my friend gasp. i looked out ahead and saw a teenaged boy with a black hoodie and baggie jeans. he had very blonde curly hair sticking out of his hood. i felt a need to get out of the car and see if he was alright for some reason, but i didn't. i just sat there and starred at him until he jerked his head in a most unnatural way to the side. i jumped back in my chair and asked my friend if she saw it.. it was then that i noticed he had fully black shark like eyes. my friend said "get us out of here." and i did as fast as i could. i had no idea this was a phenomenon that others were experiencing as well until now. really creeped out now.


Kevin99 4 years ago

Although I have never encountered black eyed kids, i do wonder if it is possibly the trauma from watching a horror movie such as the little boy from the grudge. Although his eyes are not completely black the whites of his eyes appear a dark red, so almost completely black. I had heard that many people have become scared of movies such as "the grudge" and "the ring" to the point where some people may hallucinate. Also what i've noticed, (not sure if it's a complete fact), but most victims for these sightings are Christian, or strong supporters of Christianity. Things such as possession, poltergists are targeted towards Christians. Let me know of what you think.


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

rose - have you ever talked to your friend about this recently? Did you discuss this with your friend at the time? Or was it a matter of being freaked out and trying to forget the incident?


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Kevin99, please let me know where you've gotten your information. I'm interested in checking out your last point about sightings/Christians.

You make a good point about fear, people watching horror movies and getting overly frightened, however, I'm not sure this theory explains Black Eyed Kid sightings... ie: Brian Bethel who seems to be the first to report a BEK incident wasn't a scared kid hallucinating after watching The Grudge, The Ring, or a similar movie.


onceuponatime35 4 years ago

mythbuster...like me you have an enormous open mind about everything related to the supernatural but also be skeptical about some of these posts....


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hello onceuponatime35. Thanks for stopping by, reading and commenting. I do try to be skeptical about the comments. Hopefully, by attempting to keep discussions open, people will explain in better detail about incidents, theories, etc. I have deleted a lot of really far out stuff but try not to delete unless I find spam, incoherent messages or blatantly offensive comments.


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

To the person who posted on Tuesday August 21 2012 who didn't want his messages shown publicly... let's call this person Carlton... Thanks for reading Carlton. I hope you sort out what your dream meant. Stay well and take care of yourself.


puffolotti 4 years ago

as pizzaboy my theory is that under certain condition of light (or better to say: lack of light) the eyes of anybody would appear completely black even if the colors of the clothes appears evident, i guess that´s because cornea is slightly reflexive.

I won´t hold a lesson about false perception of colors in uneasy light conditions, but i think people nowadays doesn´t understand the feeling of being in a situation where an unknown person can see you much better than how you can see her, and add horryfing details to the memory of the event in order to deny to self that has been scared in a situation that triggers forgotten instincts that had good reasons to be 10´000 years ago.

about being polite... of course a kid asking for help to a stranger will be polite even if normally is the most arrogant.


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hello puffolotti. Thanks for reading and commenting. You make some good points. It is possible that misinterpretation of how the eyes work in darkened conditions causes fears for people in many of these cases where people believe they have been approached or followed by a BEK. Thanks for your input.


puffolotti 4 years ago

almost forgot: in such situation a camera would catch only the shape of the person in pitch black, but i think whoever took pics during dawn or afterglow would find nothing weird about that.


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Do you know anyone, puffolotti, who has managed to snap a picture of BEKs or kids that appear to have black eyes?


puffolotti 4 years ago

strange question, in this same page there is the picture of the poor Omarya Sanchez.

Anyway i´m well aware of the similarity of this legend with a curious form of rakshasa (they supposely have got the eyes of a plain color, that may change according to theyr state of mind.) wich are resurrected dead kids that have got great knowledge but yet they retain the previous identity.

Basically, according to the legend, they ask help to find out theyr family.

this would happen because theyr flesh is supposed to be made from the fresh corpse of an evil person.

I don´t believe in such things, but if we assume that´s the origin of the B.E.K. this would answer to the question: why don´t they try to hide such an inhuman feature?

the fact that they think they are a living kid may make them think they have got normal eyes, till they watch a mirror or somebody inform them.

in such scenario it would be possible that they learn how to appear normal.

I hope is clear i´m talking about things i think don´t exist.

I´m well documented because a my mugen project is based on the story of a rakshasa of such type, you can find the material in my youtube channel.


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hi again, puffolotti. I wonder why you'd think BEKs might be rakshasa/rakshasi. In the legendary accounts I know of, these beings are usually terrifying in appearance, not hiding the fact that they're not like humans.


puffolotti 4 years ago

It looks like urban legends must adapt to survive, jump out of theyr shelter when it´s destroyed by rational explanation.

In a poetic sense they do exist inside our minds, and with the poor jaguar reduced to a fluffy, fat, sleepy tomcat by the science that assures us he´s nothing more than a cat... demons can´t find a physical body worth representing them, and so they need to not have an embodiement.

and we come to this answer: what is a demon? what is an angel?

let say they are respectively the part of our mind that attract us to something we like but we know will harm us in the long time or those who keep up toward things we don´t like but we know will help us in the long time.

So the fat jaguar, the old wolf, the shy bear, the sly cobra are innocent...

the "demons" are a pathetic excuse in order to say "it wasn´t me the one who took such sorry decision, that wasn´t in my control."

And finally, on such premises, i can answer to your last question.

those BEKs are a very clever invention, because many questions are left open, because the fear of the known is uncool.

I mean, what´s the difference between being dismembered by a jaguar, killed in a car accident or getting depressed enough to suicide?

well, whatever you put in a new imaginary monster won´t connect in a world where, at least the latter 2 are a common cause of premature death.

Seriously, an expert in stats should be relieved to meet the beks, because wrong correlations speaks loud and clear: it´s the warranty that time you use the car you won´t be killed in an accident.

A wise person should be worried of those very natural dangers every time sticks the key in the car...


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Welcome back again puffolotti - I visited the youtube channel under the user name puffolotti. Nice vids! I will return there and watch more - you have a LOT of videos up. I appreciate your opinions as expressed here. I will think on what you've said. I, too, think some of our paranormal experiences originate from ourselves - some of the things we see are there in front of us because we sort of conjured them up, for whatever reasons - but this doesn't make "the experience" without merits or doesn't make a frightening experience worth nothing. I think the accounts of strange sightings of things still needs to be "unpacked," discussed, examined.


puffolotti 4 years ago

maybe lifting self by pulling the shoestring would be easy, but if you get the other half of the problem on the desk, it would looks like demons and rest of the club are very afraid of rational people.

Nobody is aware of an event, if you check this imput, every person reports or zero or many.

In investigations of accounts starting with: "i was skeptic till that time", a detective never fails to prove this statement false.

This is enough to ask ourselves how reliable are those witnesses.

what is so scary in me.[urban hermit] that turns such fearsome fiends away from me?

From this point is still very important to understand what causes this legend to exist, because there may be the key to stick many bully or generally abusive people to theyr own responsabilities.

how to put this in simple words...

in my opinion, when people likes to believe there are sentient forces beyond any control, this is because they don´t like to admit that the misfortune (theyr own) often comes from wrong choices (theyr own) where there was a clear vision of the outcome.

Sooooo let say one ruins his own family because when he starts playing dices he gains the illusion he must win because he has lost everywhere else... blaming belzebub it will be much more easy than admit he´s ill disciplined.

That´s in my opinion the true evil among humans, keeping inventing lame excuses to glorify the lack of temperance.

and with this i´ll put to attention a tiny detail about number and statistics.

Rakshasa, beks, blautsaugers, revenants* are all pathetic wimps, compared to any "Hitler" or "Stalin"... Those are in my opinion worth some attentions, because they stroke as they pleases and nobody talks about "overwhelming sense of fear and unearthliness" when mentioning them. Actually they were applauded, where they conjured theyr evil deeds.

so we can conclude that the overwhelming sense of fear and unearthliness trick us a lot, expecially by not coming when it should.


puffolotti 4 years ago

found something better: a video of a perfectly normal person that in some cels appears to be B.E. due to sharp relative light angle (and heavy make-up)

maybe you should erase the link below before publishing, in order to prevent this unaware woman with beautiful, WIDE eyes to become target of some witch-hunt, anyway you can see the thing happening first time at 1:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awn5_gSmdtU

So, how everybody can see the eyes of any person may appear completely black when right lightning conditions are met.

In normal situations, where we aren´t on guard the brain corrects the issue, but when somebody is stressed, he will correct his vision the other way, and remembering eyes was black all the time, or think there has been or a glitch in the disguise or the kid realited the mistake and turned normal.

it appears everyone is a black eyed person, in the right light conditions.


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

puffolotti, thanks for the explanations and the vid link (I'll leave it posted). Although I'm enjoying the discussion here, I have to say that I think your points are heading in the way of generalizing so that your arguments are getting out of context. Certainly, the vid you've posted and the attractive young lady in the vid aren't in any way related to BEKs. Without the other details present (besides the black orbs for eyes... like the locations people are approached in, the similar requests to "let us in," or "take us home" etc), I feel you are taking very ordinary, out of context issues and details and using these to say "BEKs aren't real." As well, most of your attempted explanations of what these BEK situations might be if they're not BEKs - tend to place negative fault on the person experiencing the issue. What about "fear cage environments," or the possibility that people really ARE experiencing something unexplained that requires investigation?


puffolotti 4 years ago

such investigation must be made on negative basis, if one is interested in the truth or in the grade of danger in similar encounter, and if an undiscovered being is dangerous an investigation should find why, wich gun or weapon evens the question (garlic or chris-cross, perhaps?) or wich bribe offer a smaller loss, and how can exist a predator that warns his prey about his nature.

A positive investigation is bound to fall into circular logic, because whatever confutes the accounts will fall into the "unknown ways of an unknown being"

For this reason first thing to do is assure that at least a witnesses is reliable, if there isn´t any nailing evidence and assuming they are real, either we are talking about a non significant impact or they are so smart than "we" can give up right here, right now, and maybe the second one causes the first.

Plus, there wouldn´t be any reason to exclude they will read or are reading our conversation.

But in the end i´m pretty sure we are talking about non existent things.


Chuck 4 years ago

So, the girl with real black eyes is a child in the process or dying or being killed by some disaster? It is not her fault that her eyes are black, this is not because of any evil in her and I find it in bad taste to use this poor child as an example. She as someone who suffered and died deserves more respect.


Sarah 4 years ago

Have you checked out the book "Black Eyed Children" by David Weatherly? He also has a blog called twocrowsparanormal. He's done quite a bit of research on the topic.


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Chuck, I already clearly mentioned the difference between the girl's condition and the BEK's. Thanks for reminding me to remain sensitive about the Sanchez issue.


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Sarah, I have heard Weatherly on internet talkradio shows/podcasts recently but have not yet read his book, however, I'm still looking around for some more information (following reading suggestions Weatherly mentioned on radio shows) before I make an update with new info for this article page. Thanks for mentioning Weatherly's blog. I have found and bookmarked that. I think Weatherly was on C2Cam a couple weeks ago, speaking on the Rendelsham Forest incidents (1980).


Sarah 4 years ago

I wish I could be of more help, but the only information I have found about BEKs is from reading stories online. I didn't mention any of that, because I figure you have probably read all of them at this point. I find the whole BEK phenomenon extremely interesting. I have bookmarked your page and can't wait to read your update!


Christinax 4 years ago

Hello,

I had never heard of BEKs before yesterday.

It's all very interesting!

As mentioned there are no accounts of UK sightings or experiences. A couple of points really, wether peoples accounts are true or fiction I can't decide.

What strikes me, and I'm not sure if this is intentional to add to the intrigue, is that non of the accounts are particularly scary. Negating the eyes of course. I'm not saying any of this to belittle peoples experiences it's more of a reason to believe people!

Kids asking quite normal things in the grand scheme of things isn't that scary. People are commenting that other people are reporting cases and writing about there experiences to copycat. If that's the case why bother writing such 'boring' encounters essentially.

Reading the initial case of the Journalists report may have prompted people to speak about their experience, all be it fleeting and to them probably not worth mentioning.

I've had one paranormal experience it is probably quite boring and I've posted it before on sites a few years back and I was berated and told it was all in my imagination. It was strange enough for me to remember clearly, as it happened when I did something mundane and routine all the time. Because I was a child people immediately said it was my imagination!

I'm really impressed to see how quickly the site is updated. Keep up the good work! By the way, I'm not religious at all, and I'm not niave I love Science and nature and I have an open mind!


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Sarah, thanks for visiting again. I am still without Weatherly's book but spent a lot of time yesterday listening to audios and videos of Weatherly's most recent interviews about the book and on the topic of Black Eyed Children. I started off not liking the guy right away until I listened to him for a while. I think this was because his first words on the topic seemed DISMISSIVE and MINIMIZING (like he was saying, "ohyeah, this phenomenon is just urban legend spreading all over.") However, I quickly changed my mind as I continued to listen and once he got into re-telling some accounts of BEK/BEC (He always uses BEC Black Eyed Children) encounters. I think, in hindsight now, his first words were echos of what most people think BEFORE they delve into the topic of BEKs and realize there are a whole LOT of people who have encountered BEKs and not just a few experiences immediately following Bethel's posting of his experience years ago (as if people are posting/telling of copy-cat tales). The Bethel story seems to have been a catalyst for people to come forward and tell of their experiences, even from years before Bethel posted.


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hello Christinax, thank you for stopping by, reading and posting! Where you say, "Kids asking normal things in the grand scheme of things isn't that scary." isn't scary at all - you're right... however, the kids are asking things that are sometimes out of context or they are asking things with mannerisms that are creepy and far out... You'll obviously read the post above... so you'll know about Weatherly who has just released a new book on Black Eyed Children. In the interviews I just listened to yesterday, much attention in the book is placed on the mannerisms of the children with black eyes and their slightly off-key speaking styles. In one account, new to me and in the new book but that Weatherly goes over in several interviews, a cop or military guy ends up with a BEK outside his door who asks, "Is it food time?" then more insistently, "It is food time! Let me in - because it is FOOD TIME." In which century have people ever asked this? As well, the insistence on being let in and the assertiveness of the children in every case is VERY OFF KEY for children in every part of the world. These children do not understand our social constructions of interplay between adults and children.


Christinax 4 years ago

Hi yes, It came across in the wrong way!

I was actually trying to say that apart from the eyes which is an obvious visual attribute, if you were to make up such an encounter why not make it seem more than it was.

I was trying to be supportive of the people who have come forward with what has happened to them. We've all come across strange people but most people don't bother to tell the internet audience about them unless there was a particular reason for doing so!

I hope I've made myself a little clearer!


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hello Christinax - thanks for clarifying. I did catch a bit of the wrong meaning from your words so I am grateful that you have corrected me! Have you listened to the Weatherly interviews? I will get them posted here. Off I go to scan You Tube bookmarks lol


Christinax 4 years ago

Hi I've not listened to the interviews yet, I will now.

I reckon that they'll be a lot more reports soon!

Have you seen the adverts for the film 'Sinister' ??

I've not seen the full trailer but from what I could see in the advert, not much as I had to distract my 7 year old, It looked as though there was a BEK in that!


Christinax 4 years ago

There's a bloke on You Tube called Gary Larrabee, he's got a LOT of videos but he's uploaded one in August.

His train of conversation is hard to follow and his comments are bungled somewhat. I THINK he say's he remembers seeing a BEK but he mumbles quite a bit and it's hard to follow what he's going on about at times. Saying the person may have been wearing contact lenses but he describes them as something else, you get the gist though. Seems like a nice bloke, maybe have a look and see what you think?


Christinax 4 years ago

Oh, I tried to contact you but don't really know how to on here! Didn't want to fill up the page with something not quite related to BEKs. Have you ever read The boy who saw true? It's a really good book you wouldn't know it existed unless you come across it by accident. It's by Cyril Scott, he didn't write it originally, no one knows who it's by. It's a victorian boys diary, really intriguing well worth a read..


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Christinax - Thanks for dropping by and providing so much information. I just watched the trailer for the movie, Sinister and am trying to get my breathing back under control... holy heck - that looks like a scary movie. I think the movie is intending to show a demon, not BEK. Just found the Larrabee vid - will post in the hub.


Christinax 4 years ago

Yes I just caught a glimpse of a girl with black eyes, obviously it's an actor but still a little like them lol


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mythbuster 4 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Christinax, what do you think of Michael's account above?


jesus III 4 years ago

my cousin here in philippines saw a bek but it didn't say anything just glaring at him.


annonimusly mused 4 years ago

you humans are wrong we are nothing like you say we are dont forget how long homosapiens have been around "we have always been here" we can read write even use a p.c.very enteraining reads especially when it gets me through lonely hours of dark hours i remember when humans used to be awake at night sleep through the light hours it were never lonely then....but then humans were scared of what they didn't understand i suppose being hunted mostly through the night they altered their sleeping patterns to be awake through the day quite clever for a human that doesn't bother using most of their brains as they found that we dont care much for the hours of light they felt safer therefore we were fogotten not suprising for a human who haven't a clue of there own capabilities humans seem happy enough to only see a small selection of what you call colours if only you knew i could go about us what would seem like forever but for you sadly our time together has come to an end i will tell you something were are not named vampires nor do we drain the blood from humans we eradicate our planet from a filthy equivalent to a virus you call yourselves human your not not what you think you are hamns are a virus mutating cnstantly your full of shit we are nothing like you say dont forget how long homosapiens have been around we have always been here we can read write even use a p.c. very enteraining reads especially when it gets me through lonely hours of twilight i remember when humans used to awake at night sleep through the daylight hours it were never lonely then..................................but then humans were stiil are scared of what they didn't understand i suppose being hunted mostly thru the night they altered their sleeping patterns to be awake through the day quite clever for a being that even doesn't bother exircising most of their brains...as they found out that we dont care much for the hours of light erm the sun is very powerful life form there fore it ages the human prematurley shortning your sad existance but they felt safer therefore we were fogotten not suprising for a human to forget your main weakness of which is "forgetting", humans haven't a clue of how to use nor even aware of their own abilities which is far more than you could ever imagine, e.g you see humans seem happy enough to only see a small section of what you call colours if only you knew! i could go about us for what would seem like forever but for you sadly our time together is coming to an end i will tell you something were are not named vampires nor do we drain the blood from humans.we want eradicate our planet from a filthy equivalent to a virus "the human" your not what you think you are humans you are a virus mutating constantly i cant say any more i said too much already as it would shatter your search for the meaning of life you would deny youselves your own existance if you humans remember the truth of how the planet works we would have to inialate all human existance across the the globe because humans are damaging enough even with only a small amount your brain that use now (sorry for the poor write up as this kind of communication we have no use for)


cj 4 years ago

Rediculous.


coalburner 4 years ago

My sister in-law has had a very similar experience that left her in a hysterical state. A few days ago she was preparing dinner at dusk, while trying to pay attention to her two daughters playing on the backporch. She was startled by a series of knocks on the stormdoor which came in threes.Both girls,(Who are younger than eight years) came into the kithchen and told her two boys were on the deck .My sister in-law was a bit alarmed because a large fence seperates the backyard and porch from public access. She went to the door and saw two boys ,one a bit older than the other.Boy #1 was beyween 14-18, boy #2, 10-14. They were smiling in an odd and strained way, and immediately the older one said he "New it was eating time, let us in we're hungry." My sister in-law slammed the door shut, and said she was was completely terrified, because she saw that both of these "kids" had pure coal blackeyes. My nieces were crying and scared out of their wits as well. Both boys were dressed in zip up nylon sweat jackets. The strange thing she said was that they looked well off, no dirt, and as she said ,perfect toothpaste add teeth with styled hair. She left the house and went to stay with her mother until my brother and I checked the place out(They live on about 4 acres of woods) we found no trace of these indiduals other than a brush shelter that could have been made by transients or other kids fooling around in the area. Talking to one of their neighbors about this incident has given us two verified sightings of these strange boys. Their neighbor saw both of them vault over the four foot fence that seperates the properties with ease. This is disturbing because the way the elderly lady descibed it , it was as if they were superhuman and jumped the fence with little effort. I believe these things are not of any benevolent nature, they mean to do harm in the worst fashion, as to what they are, perhaps they are the Sidhe of old Irish legend, not all of the denizens of the mounds were "The good people".I know my brothers wife felt they wanted to do her and the girls harm. Whatever their intent they must be met with caution and aggressive intent. I know I won't be hesitant to act if confronted by these entities!


Stephen 3 years ago

My dad saw one of these kids when walking back to his house from the grocery store in Stamford, Connecticut in 1983. Didnt even know that it was this big of a deal till I overheard him talking about it with one of his friends today, so I decided to look it up.


Charlotte 3 years ago

Hi, I just thought I should share my opinion.

Although these may be true some are definitely fake if not all. If you read these stories they are just the same as any other story you read out there. But if there are any of these black eyed people, then surely either I or someone I know would've come across them by now, I know a lot of people and I am very observant.

The stories always say how the children speak so well and not in a normal manner that you would expect from a teenager, but I am 15 and I can speak properly and I would to people who I don't know, especially adults.

Also these stories sound like something you would find on creepy pasta, these stories are easy to make up, I could make one up if I wanted.

If these children are real then fair enough but I haven't seen enough evidence and have not experienced an encounter yet so I do not believe, if I do ever have an encounter I shall post it here for you.


laura 3 years ago

Back in the 1980's I saw a UFO, I never believed in them, but I stopped by a farmhouse when it was approaching in the dark with lights in a huge v shape, and I knocked on the peoples' door and begged them to come out and watch it with me. They thought it might be a blimp, but it was v shaped. I was really scared and when I got home I called the police and the dispatcher said I was the 75th caller reporting a UFO. It was in the newpaper the next day, and there even was a support group at the local university for people who saw it. Soon afterwards a big black older model car pulled up our driveway, a dead end, and a tall guy with black hair and clothes asked me strange questions. I was scared of him, to this day all I can recall him asking is about the girl who used to live here. I didn't know about a girl, because we had moved our trailer onto the lot which had been empty for who knows how long. What really happened? If I ever get approached by black eyed kids I will run screaming. If they are immature men in black, keep them the heck away from me. I believe in the Bible and Jesus warned us of demons, and if these things are demon aliens, we aren't supposed to mess with them and the Bible tells to call on the authority of Jesus's name to send demons away from us. I have enough problems with people, let alone evil entities. God help us!


blackeyesinhiddin 3 years ago

Play the cards your dealt.

That's life


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mythbuster 3 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Thanks for reading and commenting, Charlotte. I can understand your skepticism here. Skepticism is good surrounding unexplained things. I agree, as well, that many children can speak well (I think most do and that teens are a visible minority that are often discriminated against - I think that's unfair), however, few teens I know are actually assertive with adults who are strangers in the way BEKs are reported to be. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong here but I think we need to keep searching for answers. If all these stories are internet hoaxes, then continuing to question and talk about the encounters will expose the hoaxes. If there is more going on with these events, questions, discussion and searching will turn up some information... one would hope?


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mythbuster 3 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hi laura, you make a mention of demons that might be important here. A lot of people are saying the BEKs aren't real because they're just suddenly now being reported in the last decade or so...

As I study more about the BEK phenomenon and as others diligently do, as well, it's looking like BEK sightings may not be as new as we think. BEK might just be a more modern term for what people, a few decades and hundreds of years ago were calling "demons." The similarities are really close - especially those who encounter these beings saying they felt dread, felt "evil" or "malice" coming off the BEKs. That is similar to what people say about demons.


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mythbuster 3 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hi coalburner - thanks for sharing your BEK story. What you've described is very similar to other BEK accounts. Since you have talked within your community and believe there are 2 other sightings in the same area, it might be a good idea to contact Jason Offutt who is doing on-going research into the BEK phenomenon. Also, David Weatherly would likely be interested in knowing of BEK sightings in your area. You can find both easily with an online search. David's blog is called TwoCrowsParanormal and Jason manages a blog, From The Shadows.


notamused 3 years ago

annonimusly mused, are you claiming to be one of these entities? If you are, I dare you to prove it


blackeyesinhiddin 3 years ago

Annonimusly mused is not the only black eyes. I was born one. Dares are for kids in highschool. I've lived a life in hiding. If you want proof then first I half to know what that means to you. Someone word? Or something that will bend your bucking will.

Or the retort for you to prove he's not one. In my world I take people at there word, or what's the point in using them.

I understand his words are harsh, like being poked in the chest. But you never felt someone look at you and scream "what's wrong with you freak!" Or the accusations of being a devil. Or the need to think people are less then you and belittle them in the attempt to understand why people act the way they do.

If you do ever meet one you will understand. And maybe then you might be capable of learning who we are. Then again you may have already. We can choose if you know or not ya know.

Signed Black Eyes In Hiding


notamused 3 years ago

Another one huh? But yours is suggestive of some sort of ailment and not something 'out of this world.' But I have already run into many of the paranormal category, but not as yet BEK. They are supposed to be demons, fae, jinn, gods, sidhe, probably all the same under yet another guise. Since one of the more common tricks they pull is reading your mind, I was gonna ask for a simple mind trick.

One trick pulled on me involved me daydreaming one day of a hot girl that I used to share a high school class with almost 20 years ago. Later that evening I ran into a young girl who looked exactly like her dressed in very same outfit. She even winked at me as if to acknowledge she knew what I was thinking.

Now if he or you are up to it, pull it off again. If not, just describe her here.


notamused 3 years ago

Almost forgot something. If you up to it, this time make your eyes all black. It'll make a great video.


zkx99 3 years ago

I let a BEK in. Nothing happened to me. My email is zkx99@hotmail.com


notamused 3 years ago

zkx99, very interesting story. So this the book?

http://www.amazon.com/kindle/dp/B00BUA53L0/ref=rdr...

Funny, you make her sound like a lost soul at first, and not some sort of trickster. And then suggest she was testing you. But be careful, as they can suddenly turn from nice to naughty, like in the black eyed waitress story. In that tale her eyes started out as normal.

http://paranormal.about.com/library/blstory_july06...

I have had my share of run-ins with people who fit the paranormal category, even online. But the two resident BEK in this forum are fake, since they can't answer the question.


blackeyesinhiddin 3 years ago

I tryed, they dident put it on. Its just a girl trick. For it to happen again, well I hate to say those don't happen very often. I'm to scared to show my eyes. The way people react. That's like asken to get your but kicked. I work with blind people. They can't see my eyes.


notamused 3 years ago

I tryed, they dident put it on. +

Just type one word that can easily describe her, as in 90%

Its just a girl trick. For it to happen again, well I hate to say those don't happen very often.+

Explain the girl trick and how many variations are there?

So far there is:

1.bipolar: the black eyed waitress and a few others, kinda rare.

2. the lost or homeless: zkx99's tale, very common.

3. I knew what you were thinking: Mine. Rather common with BEK, MIB, and many others.

I'm to scared to show my eyes. The way people react. That's like asken to get your but kicked. I work with blind people. They can't see my eyes.+

Sure, it was quite amazing what happened that evening to me, but the only thing that stood up on my body were the hairs on back of my neck.

So, um, are your abilities either magical, hypnotic, or technological?


Jayna 3 years ago

I just have one question..from all Ive read or listened to on peoples encounters..its all been about the BEK(s) tring to enter in to something...are there any accounts of people encountering them away from structures or vehicles?..


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mythbuster 3 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hi Jayna... Yes, there are a few instances of people encountering BEKs while just walking - but usually it is near home and the person tries to get home quickly and get away from the unusual children with the unusual questions. Most encounters seem to be near vehicles or buildings.


notamused 3 years ago

The Djinn Connection: The Hidden Links Between Djinn, Shadow People, ETs, Nephilim, Archons, Reptilians and Other Entities [Kindle Edition]

$9.99

http://www.amazon.com/The-Djinn-Connection-Reptili...


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mythbuster 3 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Thanks for stopping by and dropping a link, notamused


3 years ago

I have a friend that was asking me about paranormal things, mostly ghosts, but then start mentioning this new girl at school. She mentioned that she never met her but this girl says hi to her by name and has all black eyes. She said this girl scares her and she just tries to avoid her but she will come into her class room from time to time.


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mythbuster 3 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hello D - thanks for stopping by and commenting. Your friend might be simply seeing an eccentric teen with special contact lenses. I haven't heard of people running into BEKs on a regular basis at schools, work, etc. I could be in the wrong here, of course, but ask your friend to try and find out if the girl she's talking about is just a sort of social outsider with special contact lenses. If this is so, no need for your friend to be overly anxious about paranormal things, right? If this is not so, then your friend can start looking into other explanations.


Gayla Pavolich 3 years ago

This is nothing other than the Niphilim, fallen angels who left God to follow Satan, they wanted the daughters of the world sexualy, and took them as they desired, the world got so bad, God decided to destroy it. Read Genesis Chapter 6. It also say's that they will return at the end of this age, as more and more we hear about UFO's (also demons) the Bible clearly says they will exploit themselves more and more at the end of this age, to confuse and lead people away from the truth.


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blake4d 2 years ago from Now Rising Out of Phoenix Arizona Earthlings

I am glad to see you got this hub back up, or perhaps it has been for a while, but I remember when there was some issue with getting all of it working or in one place or something. Welcome to 2014 MB. I am around again and apparently, I won't jinx it. But I had 99 problems but my check finally did come. Google me this Google me that, who is afraid of the Black Eyed Kids. Keep on Hubbing. Blake4d


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Tsurugi 2 years ago from Edwards Plateau, TX

Great hub, I've been interested in this particular kind of High Strangeness incident for a while now, and I agree with your comment that the BEK may actually be a modern incarnation of a much older phenomenon.

I find it strange that people seem to assume that paranormal phenomena are unchanging throughout the ages. IF these things really are taking place, then one of the possible explanations is that there is some kind of intelligence involved, which would imply that the phenomena may change over time. So Revenants might become Changelings which might eventually shift to Vampires which eventually become BEK(for example).

MB, you appear to have poked into the concept that the BEK are associated with Demonic entities, and with Vampiric legend, as well as the Djinni. Have you looked at the "Hybrid" idea? It requires a fairly deep dive into UFO and Abduction lore, but I think it may provide another interesting angle to consider, at the very least.


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mythbuster 2 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hey Blake! Nice to get a message from you after so long... we've all been busy but still plodding away with writing, it seems (you, me, net-friend writers, etc). I'll be back with much energy in a few months... got myself back into classes to finish up my courses for Eng degree, so I've got to focus for a few months. After May, I'll be online much more.


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mythbuster 2 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hello Tsurugi. Thanks for reading and commenting. Thanks for your questions, too - it's always good to think from a different angle... Yes, I've heard many explanations on how BEKs might be alien hybrids of some sort. It's a pretty common kind of thinking on these unexplained beings. Some people are thinking that the BEKs are the children of abductees and are returning to try and find their parents.


Hometown Believer 2 years ago

New Haven, KY

St. Caterines Cemetary

Kayla Marie Brown

Venture to the back of the cemetery and you will see 2 grave sites burrows to the top of the hill next to a tree, isolated from the other graves. You'll have to see this site yourself to believe.

This grave was my reason for researching these black eyed kids I had thought it may have been a symptom of Down syndrome but needed to find out myself because her eyes are fierce solid black and that's when I discovered the pages of the BEKs and I have experienced too much through out my life to deny this as a possibility. I am a believer tey do exist.


Fiona 2 years ago

When these Children said ''We can't come in until you say it's ok'' - That reminded me of stories of vampires - only allowed to enter homes and the likes, on invitation.


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blake4d 2 years ago from Now Rising Out of Phoenix Arizona Earthlings

Oh by the way MB. Guess what. The Google Monster decided to raise my Adsense corpse back from the dead once more. This is resurrection number 3 and not of my doing. I'm thinking of donating my earnings to black eyed kids that need Google goggles for Christmas. Or maybe I should send it back in change by airmail to the Chinese government, with a note that says Google loves Egg rolls. Whatcha think MB. Keep on Hubbing. Blake4d


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blake4d 2 years ago from Now Rising Out of Phoenix Arizona Earthlings

Oh and on a side note, I was a BEK by default for three months in 1982, when I rode my bike into a telephone pole while rocking out with my boom box and riding my 10 speed without hands ( or looking where I was going) Those poles are made out of reinforced steel and concrete. I came home with two swollen black eyes...my step dad thought that was the funniest damn thing he ever heard. He made me go to school that September without sunglasses. Although I never tried to get into anyones car, I maybe a living example of being a BEK by default. Perhaps there are others like me, if so I will form a support group. For Black Eyed Anonymous for Kids. BEAK - whatcha think MB. Wanna donate to my charity, or am I missing the point here?


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mythbuster 2 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Haha, Blake - a human version of BEK - that must have hurt a LOT!


curious1 2 years ago

I was wondering if anyone has considered the possibility of some of the people having these encounters might possibly be light sensitive. Let me explain before this gets brushed away. For example if I am inside my house at night & my husband is outside or vice versa I can look out of my window or my storm door & his eyes look solid black & I know they are not. Another example if I sit in a semi dark or fully dark room for more than a few minutes my pupils dilate to the point my eyes can look black. As for the children being persistent about being let in there are some pretty pushy kids these days. I'm not saying these children don't exist & I'm not saying they do, I was just curious if light sensitivity has been considered for the black eyes.


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mythbuster 2 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Hello curious1, you make some good points about light-sensitivity. I have light sensitivity (to the point where I have special glasses to protect my eyes - photo-grey), and thankfully, nobody has ever accused me of being a BEK :)

I think your points may account for some BEKs, however, for what you're saying a lot of things need to be happening together e.g. fear of pushy kids, the light sensitivity effects on a person's eyes, etc... it's really up in the air, isn't it?


paul hughes beks 2 years ago

The real truth of black eyed kids. BLACK EYED KIDS-THE REAL TRUTH on youtube http://youtu.be/BDeJUsym9Sc

My name is Paul Hughes and this is where the story of BEKs that knock on your door then insist on coming inside came from. On 11-22-97 David Weatherly and Brain Bethel where at a seminar near 6th street in down town Austin. Afterwards they went to a bar for some drinks. Later that night I met David for the first and only time at the Williamson county jail. We had both been arrested that night. I introduced myself as Paul and he said his name was David Weatherly, but I knew that he was arrested under the name Eric Kelly. "David" told me he was a syfy writer and he figured the best use of his time in jail would be to ask people if they had any creepy stories. So I came up with the black eyed kids knocking on peoples doors insisting on coming inside, right there off the top of my head. Notice I do not claim all black eyed people stories ever told. Just the ones where the kids knock and insist on being let in. He said wow that is a good story did that really happen to you. I said no. He said well I'm going to blog about this under a couple of different allies with slightly different stories to build up a sightings report. Then I'm going to blog about it under my name David Weatherly and use your story. Then "David" told me I'm going to leave your name the same but change where we met and change your occupation (hence Paul the prison guard) and if I ever wanted to contact him again. Just tell him where I told him the story and he would believe me because he had never been arrested before. So he did exactly what he said he would do. He used my story word for word. Then one day I hear about BEKs and decide to contact "David" to ask for an autographed book. He decided to cuss me out in his email response and tell me I must be sick in the head if I think I know him. So I decided to tell people the truth about BEKs and I made that youtube video. Yes I do have proof that me and Eric Kelly where in jail on the same night. Big surprise Eric Kelly AKA David Weatherly owns Leprechaun Press which is the company that publishes all of David's books. There will never be Video proof of a BEKs knocking on someone's door because they are not real. Everything I have said here is the truth. BEKs are not real for anyone who really wanted to know the truth. I do really want to know the truth about foo fighters because I've seen one. It hovered right above me for about two seconds with no sound. Than shot off so fast it left a long red trail of light in the sky. I reported it to MUFON. There is video and pictures to prove what I saw was real going back to WWII. But anyways thank you for reading this and I promise it is all true.


researcher.cool 19 months ago

this sounds so unreal


Rock 18 months ago

Folks, THOSE KIDS ARE TRUE!!! I saw one kid a few years ago in the neighbour's yard, with so black eyes, pale skin and she was maybe 13 years old, walking strangely! It is truth, so help me God!!!


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mythbuster 15 months ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide Author

Rock, a lot of people say they have had experiences with BEKs - and a lot of people say the whole topic/possibility of BEK existence is bunk... I think what people have experienced is real for them and we need to keep looking into possible explanations. Thanks for stopping by to read and comment. Stay safe! :)

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