The Crying Planet (the reality of climate change and it's effect on the planet)

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Even if you don't read this entire article, please take a few minutes to view this wonderful animated video. They say a picture paints a thousand words.

Galileo Galilei
Galileo Galilei | Source
Rene Descartes
Rene Descartes | Source

A Better World

Try to imagine if you will, what will happen when all the Earth's natural resources are depleted, used up, destroyed. You live in a world where nature virtually no longer exists, except in books or documentaries by David Attenborough. All trees, plants, and animal life simply memories of our past. Look around you in guilt and disgust at what the Human Race has done to the Earth through its insatiable quest for greater technology and scientific and personal advancement.

Up until the turn of the last century change was actually frowned upon. The few people brave enough to offer new ideas were ostracized as trouble makers, imprisoned, or laughed at by the established scientific community.

History has shown that most major discoveries or greatest contributions to science were instigated by those who were thought of as quacks and eccentrics during their lives. Such revolutionary thinkers as Nicholaus Copernicus, Galileo Galelei, and Rene Descartes to name just a few.

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Now, this seems to be happening to our Climate and Environmental scientists. Eminent men and women like David Suzuki (geneticist), Tim Flannery (mammalogist, palaeontologist, environmentalist and global warming activist, and Australian of the Year 2007), and Kesha Forrest (Environmental Protection Specialist US Environmental Protection Agency) to name a few, are under constant pressure from Climate Change and Global Warming sceptics and deniers to prove that mankind's actions are having a detrimental effect and can be directly linked to the deterioration of our climate and environment in general.

Professor Tim Flannery (Australian of the Year 2007)
Professor Tim Flannery (Australian of the Year 2007) | Source
Kesha Forrest at work in the lab.
Kesha Forrest at work in the lab. | Source

We are Capable of Anything

Of all the great ages of discovery the past century has seen by far the most dramatic advancements in technology. Humankind it seems is now capable of creating or developing anything that the mind can imagine eg. cloning, GM crops, stem cell research, smart phones, driverless trains, the list is endless.

On reflection however, is this power too great, and is it getting out of control? Are we moving ahead too quickly in a rush to develop new technologies and techniques to make life easier, without taking the time to consider the future consequences?

This planet that we call The Earth is the only one, we are aware of, capable of sustaining life as we know it. It is all we have and without it we will surely perish. Is it worth risking our lives, and those of our children and grandchildren by acting as guinea pigs for our own scientific experiments? Only by looking ahead into the future for possible pitfalls and side effects first can we ensure the future continuance of our race. In the old proverb "Look before you leap" there is a very relevant message for our society.

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Government Inaction

Our climate scientists and environmentalists have been advocating the dangers of 'climate change' and increased co2 emissions for more than 20 years but haven't been taken seriously or treated as quacks (another old proverb comes to mind, "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"). This is one area where science and Governments haven't plunged ahead into the vast unknown, in fact until recently they have virtually sat on their hands afraid to take action because of the power and influence of the multi-national power and oil corporations.

In Australia (the driest continent on Earth and one of the greatest co2 polluters per capita) for instance, the newly elected Government has already abolished "The Climate Commission" headed by Professor Tim Flannery (mentioned earlier), and has abolishing the 'carbon tax', both introduced by the previous government. The Climate Commission has however refused to be disbanded and found private and public funding to continue its good work as a separate entity. This government has also reduced funding and incentives for all alternative energy providers so many are being forced to shed jobs and even close their businesses. Our Prime Minister has even publicly stated that coal is good for the world and coal-fired power production remains his governments preferred method of power generation.

This attitude flies in the face of the rest of the world who are beginning to embrace alternative energy, including the United States and China. Others like Germany are already well ahead.


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How Much Warning Do We Need?

Most of us think of the burning of fuel by factories, the millions of cars on our roads, and excessive power consumption as the main protagonists in climate change. However, the clearing of our forests for development, the production of timber and wood chip, products like palm oil, and charcoal is a major factor in the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Trees actually breath in carbon dioxide and expel oxygen into the atmosphere, so it a no brainer that by planting more trees than we destroy we will help the planet we love and rely on.

We have had ample warning of the catastrophic events that could occur should we not act 'now'. Rising temperatures, sea levels, and melting ice caps are already evident. There has been a dramatic increase in the occurrence of natural disasters such as floods, fires, earthquakes, and hurricanes in recent years. What more evidence do we need to convince us that we are on the wrong track and need to change our course urgently? The 'economy' is not the most important factor for consideration, The ENVIRONMENT is!

What Difference Can We Make As Individuals?

Many people have the attitude, "I am just one person. Nothing I do will have any impact or make a difference." This way of thinking is wrong and our government also uses the same excuse. They are constantly using the excuse for not acting effectively on climate change, saying we are only one country with a small population. Reducing our carbon emissions will have no real effect unless the major polluters like the USA, China and India lead the way in carbon reduction and use of renewable energy.

They ignore the fact that the biggest hole in the ozone layer is over Australia and Antarctica, and that we already have the highest incidence of skin cancer in the world. Australia has been one of the leading developers of solar technology, but the government won't support the development of this industry or the manufacture of solar panels etc, so most of these businesses have been forced to either sell the technology, or move their businesses offshore to China etc where production and labor costs are lower than in Australia.

We all can make a difference.

  • If possible have solar panels installed, or at least a solar hot water system.
  • Plant trees on your land wherever possible instead of clearing.
  • Don't drive any more than you need to, or carpool whenever possible.
  • Try to buy food and other products locally (and organic) to save the energy, fuel etc used in transporting the products. Even better try to grow your own.
  • Fly as little as possible. Planes use more fossil fuels than any other form of transport.
  • Buy energy efficient white goods and electrical appliances. Plasma t.v.s are power guzzlers, don't buy one!
  • If possible buy a gas powered vehicle, or hybrid, or have yours converted.
  • Install a rainwater tank so all your rainfall isn't wasted.
  • Recycle as much as possible. Take your own biodegradable shopping bags to the supermarket in preference to using plastic bags.
  • Take responsibility for your actions. Don't leave it to the government to do the right thing.

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Do you believe Climate Change and Global Warming are:

  • real issues that affect the whole world, and we need to find a solution urgently.
  • just part of the normal climatic cycle, and nothing to worry about.
  • scare mongering by climate scientists to justify their research.
  • real occurrences, but it's too late to do anything about it.
  • nothing for us to worry about, leave it to the Government.
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FlourishAnyway 2 years ago from USA

This is an urgently important message that I think about quite a lot. I enjoyed this hub and agree with you. Maybe follow up with a hub regarding top 10 things you can do to save the environment? You're an excellent writer.


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Jodah 2 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Yes FlourishAnyway, I agee that a follow up article with some of the solutions is a good idea. I'll start working on that. Thanks for praising my writing.


Rayne123 2 years ago

Very good animated video, I loved it. I almost expected a poem at first.

Very well written and informative.

I actually have a poem posted on here about our planet and how it is being torn apart

Many blessings

Laurie


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billybuc 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

Very interesting and very important. Will we be able to turn the tables in time? I have hope, but I'm not sure it is based on reality. :) Well done John.


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Jodah 2 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thanks Laurie. Yes I guess you have come to expect poems from me...sometimes I surprise. Yes, I love that animated video too. I'll check out your poem on the subject.

Thank you Bill also, we have to live in hope that eventually the tables will turn and we'll do what's best for the planet and our future.


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Nellieanna 2 years ago from TEXAS

Excellent content and presentation, John. I heartily agree that our planet is being damaged faster than it's helped. I witnessed beginnings of some destructive practices as a kid, but it's increased exponentially since then over the decades. Even the general attitudes of self-serving in every sense from expecting to be taken care in most every way to a general disrespect for values such as environmental consciousness are symptomatic.


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Jodah 2 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

You manage to say so much in so few words Nellieanna. You just touched on the whole problem in your comments. Maybe two words are relevant here: Greed and Apathy. Thank you for your comments as always.


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drbj 2 years ago from south Florida

I believe, Jodah, that you and Nellieanna touched on two of the major causes for the damage that we humans have done to our planet: Greed and Apathy. And to that I would also add a great deal of Ignorance!

Thanks for the very interesting video and the emissions graph.


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Jodah 2 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thank you drbj,

I agree "Ignorance' is a major factor as well.


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Nikkij504gurl 2 years ago from Louisiana

We definitely are destroying our Earth slowly but surely, what with all the garbage we produce and litter her with. Our very air we breath is polluted. I think there are a lot of things we need to change in how we live and how we get rid of our trash and so forth. As for the technology, this is the age of it and I think it is good but we need to use it more wisely.


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Jodah 2 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thanks for visiting Nikki and your insightful comments. Everything you say is spot on and individuals and governments need to act.


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ubanichijioke 2 years ago from Lagos

a very useful piece, i must confess. The nonchalant attitude of people towards this cause is quite pathetic. Nature and Earth is for all and preserving its existence is our right. However, many have decided to pay a deaf ear to the warnings of degradation, high carbon dioxide emission and the Ozone depletion which will come with a devastating consequence. Well, you have done your best with this piece. Indeed, the earth wails and I can hear it!


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Jodah 2 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thank you Alexander for your kind words and insightful comment. i sometimes feel like wailing as well when I think how incompetent our governments are in regard to protecting our planet and climate, and how complacent many people are. They only care about the present, not the future.


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ubanichijioke 2 years ago from Lagos

words well worded, Jodah. They see the temporary enjoyment of the present forsaking the future of our future.

too bad!


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Jodah 2 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Exactly Alexander, too many people only care about today and having things easy, they don't want to think about tomorrow and their children and grand children's future. Thanks for your kind comment.


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ubanichijioke 2 years ago from Lagos

My pleasure, Sire. To the one who watches from the home of the sun, we rest our hope!


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KenDeanAgudo 2 years ago from Tiwi, Philippines

Very inspirational hub and the advocacy on how to lessen human activities that cause climate change. I do believe that in some manner it is naturally happening but we add up with this phenomenon, every action is accompanied with reaction.

I hope people will be considerate enough in preserving mother nature.


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Jodah 2 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thank you for reading this Ken. I agree that climate change is not totally to blame on mankind, because there have been a number of major shifts in climate over the years, but I think man's increased use of fossil fuels, need for the production of more and more goods, deforestation, pollution and dumping of waste etc has definitely contributed and sped up the processs. We have to all take more responsibility for the health of the planet.


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thougtforce 2 years ago from Sweden

Wonderful hub even if it all makes me so sad. We humans are simply to small for being so greedy and ignorant! I love the videos you have choosen, and especially The pale blue dot. That is really all we need to understand, and we need to be humble to this beautiful planet and take much better care. Voted up, up and I will try to come back and vote up and share for as long as it takes,

Tina


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Jodah 2 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thank you so much Tina. It is great to see a new face reading my hubs, especially ones with such an important message as this. It seems a lot of people would rather ignore these issues rather than read about them. This hub hasn't had the exposure I would like, and I really appreciate you voting up and sharing with others. Have a great day.


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ChristyWrites 2 years ago from British Columbia, Canada

A neighbor of mine just got an electric car. It's good that there are environmentally friendly alternatives to products and services but I do hope that they become more cost friendly in the near future. It's important to bring attention to the issues our world faces and your hub does just that! Voting up and sharing.


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chef-de-jour 2 years ago from Wakefield, West Yorkshire,UK

Thank you for this. Every little bit helps - I'm sure you know better than most. I spent over a dozen years living in a community where we shared and pooled resources and tried our hardest to cut down on waste and fuel consumption. Now I'm out in the mainstream I continue to tread lightly on the earth. I hope I've passed the message on to my two sons - treat the planet with respect whenever you can.

'If not you who, if not now when?'

Votes and a share for the message.


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tsmog 2 years ago from Escondido, CA

Very eye opening, compelling, and conjures mixed emotions. I enjoyed the first video as it provides for hope as being transitory changes and continuous. It definitely ties the content nicely to the theme and the title with little blame.

As shared elsewhere the second has the greatest effort of compelling one to ponder for moments on end. Thank you for sharing that discovery! I haven't voted having reservations, yet see solutions are presented as viable. I appreciate the content as both inspiring while promoting knowledge and with action as cause for arriving upon solutions. With hope those may offer a shoulder for those tears realized in the article and it title.

tim


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rebeccamealey 2 years ago from Northeastern Georgia, USA

We have a bunch of jive turkey politicians in my state that think global warming is not real. Sad. And a little scary. Thanks for putting together a great hub on this subject.


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Jodah 2 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Hi Christy, thanks for reading this and your comment. Good to hear your friend purchased an electric car, they may be the way ahead or in hybrid form. They aren't really viable hear yet because there aren't enough charging facilities available unless you remain close to home. Hydrogen powered cars were developed years ago but Government suppressed the development to protect oil company interests. You are right costs need to be reduced on all environmentally friendly products and it's once again up to governments to subsidise those products until demand can take over and drive prices down. Thank you for the vote up and especially the share.


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Jodah 2 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thanks for your interesting comment chef. A shared community is a great way to learn about pooling resources and self-sufficiency. It's good that the practices you learnt there carried over to mainstream life. Too many people just don't care. They think "what difference can I make. Why not enjoy everything technology provides to make life easy?" They don't even think about the future of their children and grandchildren. Thanks for the vote and share.


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Jodah 2 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thanks for reading Tim, and providing insightful comment. Glad the videos gave you food for thought. The thing is it doesn't take drastic change, if everyone does their bit towards protecting the planet and the resources it provides. Putting blame on people just gets them offside and doesn't work to change their thinking. Even if climate change isn't the real threat it is perceived by the majority of scientists, how can any measures we take to protect the planet, have cleaner air, reduce waste and dependence on fossil fuel be bad. It just makes our world a cleaner healthier place for our children and their children.


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Jodah 2 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Our new government is the same Rebecca. They are repealing the carbon tax, withdraw solar panel rebates, and removed the kWh incentive of solar power fed back to the grid. They are a bunch of morons, but it seems that thinking is much too common.


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Eiddwen 2 years ago from Wales

A wonderful hub John and it leaves much food for thought. I may live in the UK but the ways of the world are so very similar.

Voting up and sharing.

Eddy.


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Jodah 2 years ago from Queensland Australia Author

Yes Eddy, it is a world wide problem isn't it? We all have to do our bit and be aware. Thank you for reading and your kind comment, vote up and share.


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tsadjatko 23 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Nice hub page Jodah,

if your aim is to put as much BS into a one sided piece of propaganda as you can. It's advisable when you create a hub page that you mention some facts and not make it all about personalities, highly disputable data or charlatans who have an agenda, unless of course your aim is to get accolades from an uninformed public who are so touched by your anthropomorphic earth they cry. Did you miss this?

Just out this week: Man-made climate change is a myth and all efforts to prove its existence have failed, according to Weather Channel founder John Coleman. The award winning weatherman, whose career spans over sixty years, drew on the support of over 9,000 Ph.D. scientists to claim that "the science [purportedly proving man made global warming] is not valid".

His remarks were made in an open letter to the Hammer Forum, which hosts a series of discussion panels at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). Yesterday the forum played host to Michael Mann, creator of the infamous and widely debunked ‘hockey stick graph’ which claimed that global temperature was on a rapid upward trajectory, and Brenda Ekwurzel, who has lobbied for stronger climate legislation in the States. The letter was published in full on climate blog Watts Up With That.(http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/23/weather-chan...

I repeat "over 9,000 Ph.D. scientists to claim that "the science [purportedly proving man made global warming] is not valid"

If you really did any research you would know that the whole science of "manmade global warming" is actually based on predictions of computer models which can be programed to get any result they want. Funny you overlooked all of this. Why anyone who is a critical thinker should believe anything you write about this subject is beyond reason, of course I suppose it is a good pasture for "the sky is falling down" flock of sheep you seem to draw to graze upon.

Aside from calling a spade a spade, which is what I do, I must say you are a competent and prolific writer - for that I give you a thunbs up! Work on your content.


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Mira Fang 23 months ago from Canada

Wow Jodah, this piece hit close to home for me. I just attended David Suzuki's Blue Dot Tour in Winnipeg last night. (A bluegrass movement in Canada to get the government to recognize the peoples rights to a healthy environment.) It was so wonderful to read such an in depth article about something I am so passionate about. Good job.


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tsadjatko 23 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Baaaaa, baaaaa, baaaa


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fpherj48 23 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Jodah... I am always amazed at the superb job you do and the efforts put into your work. This hub is no exception.

It requires so much talent, dedication & research to be able to write a pertinent informational hub as this one. This particular topic is one I feel we all need to follow from every angle. I, for one, am afraid I've done little about this, but it's never too late! Thank you so much, Jodah. Have a great week-end.....UP ..UI...pinned, tweeted, googled.


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Jodah 23 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

Hi tsadjatko, your comment is always appreciated even if your point of view is different to my own. Anything I write is my opinion and I don't expect everyone to agree with me. Healthy debate or discussion in comments just adds to the value of a hub. So thank you, also for the information you offer above. I leave it to other readers to agree with or dispute that. Thanks for the thumbs up for my competence and proliferance of my writing even though you don't agree with the content.


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Jodah 23 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thank you for reading this Mira and for the kind comment. I am glad this issue is close to your heart, and I think David Suzuki is an amazing human being. The Blue Dot Tour sounds wonderful. We are all entitled to a healthy environment, and even if climate change isn't caused by man which some like to believe, it still won't do any harm to reduce co2 emissions, change to clean energy from coal etc. It will be all good for the planet in the long run.


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Jodah 23 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

I appreciate your kind words Paula. Whatever is causing climate change doesn't really matter. It is occurring and we need to face that fact. It is no good panicking because that will get us nowhere, but if everyone is aware an does their own little bit to reduce power usage, water wastage, recycle, use solar energy etc where possible, things will improve slowly rather than continue to degenerate. Thanks for the vote up, pin, tweet and google.


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PurvisBobbi44 23 months ago from Florida

Each person matters in helping the environment, being frugal with energy and growing our food in the USA, and visiting Farmer’s Markets. As well as being more involved with buying products in containers that not take years to evaporate back into the earth when they are taken away by refuse companies. And not ship refuse to other countries or dump it in the ocean. Solve the issue at home in each country.

The USA government is slow to respond to many issues, but when they wake up to an earth that is barren without trees, air so polluted natural vision outdoors no longer exists and there is little drinking water and food for the people still living around the world. Do you think they might get off their behinds and find the answers we have begged for years for them to do? They need to solve now and stop spending energy on all the wars on earth and work together for our descendants?

United we will live and prosper, ignore and there will be no future for anyone.

Just my opinion.

Bobbi Purvis


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Jodah 23 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thank you for that wonderful and insightful comment Bobbi. Yes I'm afraid many Governments and people in general wait to take action until it's often too late. Look at all the animal species that are becoming extinct...the latest in the news is the White Rhino...of which there are only six left and all too old to breed. Oh yes everyone is concerned but it looks like it is too late. I just hope where human lives are concerned they may take action before it's too late. Not that we are any more important than the animals...


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CMHypno 23 months ago from Other Side of the Sun

Very thought provoking hub Jodah. The fact is that climate on our planet has always changed, sometimes dramatically. It is only 12,000 years or so since we were in the grips of an ice age. So really it is about better prediction of natural climate changes along with an accurate, ongoing, politically unbiased appraisal of how and where human activity is affecting these natural cycles and what we can do to remedy them.

We humans are, unfortunately, the most destructive species on the planet and we seem to have an arrogant attitude that the Earth and everything on it belongs only to us and is there for our exclusive use. This is nothing new and is not something that started with industrialisation.

It appears to be no coincidence that the megafauna became extinct as humans migrated into new regions of the world and that some areas were changed forever in ancient times by newly introduced human practices such as burning, clearing vegetation and felling trees.

Many scientists believe we are now in the sixth great extinction event to have occurred on the planet and that uniquely this one has been caused by human activity. The rate of species extinctions is so great, it will take a huge effort by all of us just to stop it getting worse let alone reversing the trend.

However, while the human population keeps growing and demanding more and more resources I don't think the rights of the natural world are going to get the priority they deserve and desperately need. What we still don't seem to fully grasp is that by destroying habitat and thereby forcing more species into extinction, we are surely destroying ourselves.


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Jodah 23 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thank you for that wonderful comment CMHypno. You are right when you say our climate has always changed (The Ice Age is just one example) and that we need better prediction techniques etc. I suppose meteorologists etc can argue that these events occur at such great intervals that it hasn't been possible to rely on past data to predict these events.

Humans are not the sole cause of climate change and I haven't claimed this, however, we are as you say "the most destructive species" and only we can turn "the sixth great extinction event" around. Otherwise nature will act to save herself and we could actually find ourselves becoming extinct.


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tsadjatko 23 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Well Jodah your ingratiating comment to me doesn't quite do it. Saying "Anything I write is my opinion and I don't expect everyone to agree with me." basically confirms that you aren't interested in the truth to form your opinion but really have a biased opinion you wish to promote by cherry picking information that supports it, whether true or false, knowing you will have opposition from those who know the truth. That is pure propaganda. Opinion should be the result of looking at the facts not the facts the result of your opinion.

I find it hilarious that you liken the fact that "discoveries or greatest contributions to science were instigated by those who were thought of as quacks and eccentrics during their lives" to man made global warming proponents . The entire "scientific" and political establishments throughout the world have gone over the top to label the true scientists who have proof that man made global warming is a hoax the "quacks and eccentrics during their lives" The people or organizations you mention are considered in the mainstream and that is indisputable. Ever hear their detractors called Climate-Change Deniers? a phrase likening them to holocaust deniers, insidious! but I suppose you believe that is acceptable because you believe "man made global warming is settled science." But it is not and what is worse than that it is a hoax, not my opinion...a fact.

The world is full of charlatans promoting propaganda to support agendas, disguising it in presentations like yours with a little truth and a lot of pandering to human emotion and the desire to "save the earth". And you know what, your piece here, as you basically admit, is just another step in that direction, your opinion based on beliefs but not on fact. And you are proud of that?

But I commend you for welcoming my point of view and allowing it to be expressed even if it it is falling on the deaf ears of your flock of sheep, I mean admirers. If you are really sincere in saying "your comment is always appreciated even if your point of view is different to my own" I hope you will learn that my point of view is not that we should all listen to different points of view but that everyone's point of view should be educated as to the truth and not based on feelings.


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Jodah 23 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

I could say the same back at you tsadjatko. You seem really to lean to one side of the argument and only consider your point of view and those you agree with as the "truth". I'm sure I could read all your hubs that are one eyed in regard to the US Government etc. and argue some points but honestly I don't care. Everyone is welcome to their opinion on every subject, but as for the truth, well that seems to be a different thing to different people and we can all find statistics that support what we believe or what we don't. Chill out, life is too short to let everything bother you so much, especially if you don't take the environment and climate seriously. At least I fnd your comments an interesting read


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tsadjatko 23 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Yeah, you could say the same but it wouldn't be true. You are deflecting from what we are discussing to avoid admitting the truth by pointing to my (speculated by you) bad behavior to justify your bad behavior? that is a valid point, other's bad behavior justifies your bad behavior? Be my guest, I have demonstrated clearly you have not investigated the issue of global warming honestly. Show me where I have not investigated what I write about. You can't because I do my homework and I can refute anything you may bring up about my hub pages not being factual, whle you haven't even tried to for yours and obviously because you can't, and your sheep won't challenge you ever. . Oh I see where you are coming from ? Next you'll say oh chill out and just go away.

O, golly that IS where you are going! Well at least you admit I'm right by taking the position if others do it so can I.

You say "but as for the truth, well that seems to be a different thing to different people and we can all find statistics that support what we believe or what we don't."which just again confirmed what I said you do,which is find statistics (whether true or false) that support what you believe. I said and I'll say it again we should look at all the statistics and then form our belief. You do the opposite and whether anyone else does it too doesn't it make it right. It is obvious you've never seen the information I posted or anything like it because it doesn't confirm what you believe.

But don't sweat it, I'll chill and leave you with your sheep as you wish.


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Jodah 23 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thanks tsadjatko. I doubt calling other hubbers that you don't know "sheep" is a good idea, but hey it's your call and you like to be anonymous anyway so I guess you can say what you want without repercussion. Have a good day.


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tsadjatko 23 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Oh, so instead of at least trying to defending specifics of your indefensible hub page assertions which I challenged you continue to ignore the message and disparage the messenger. What would be nice would be if there was a black sheep among them who finally sees the truth and realizes there is hardly any truth in what you present. But then that is the definition of sheep, they flock to the sound of their shepherd, a person who tends, herds, feeds, and guards them (from the truth). Good job shepherd Jodah!


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Mira Fang 23 months ago from Canada

Jodah,

You have earned my respect for having demonstrated such patience in the face of blatant anger. The expression of an individual's opinion can be a beautiful thing. The ability to acknowledge the opinion expressed by a pompous individual seeking to belittle, that's really something to be admired.


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tsadjatko 23 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Anger? So pointing out false statements and propaganda is anger? Yeah that's what you want people to think lest anyone prove your "opinion" WRONG. baaa, baaa, baaa I've got news for you I couldn't be happier. I'm blessed with a discernment you couldn't pay to obtain. An individual's opinion can be a beautiful thing if based on truth, if based on lies and misrepresentations it's just propaganda.


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fpherj48 23 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Hello Mira....Nice to meet you. I just came from your site after reading one of your many excellent works. I see you are quite a talented writer.

Obviously you share in the appreciation of Jodah's superb skills. He is a much-respected and admired member of our wonderful Community of writers.

Hope to see you around more often.. Have a good evening. Peace, Paula


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Mira Fang 23 months ago from Canada

Paula,

Yes, Jodah is a very talented writer indeed. He most definitely acts 'the bigger person' and I can't help but be impressed. I appreciate your kind words both here and on my hub. I'll be heading over to your page now for a peek at your works.


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fpherj48 23 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

We agree. Jodah is a scholar and a gentleman.


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Jodah 23 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thank you Mira and Paula for your support and kind words..Paula, you always seem to visit one of my hubs after they have been graced by our friend tsadjatko (I am finally beginning to get used to typing that name). At least he read this hub all the way through to find things he could disagree with.. The other one he didn't get past the first quote. He really injected some life into one of my old hubs :) Thank you both, and the United Nations and the millions of other "sheep" who the unite against climate change rally around the world on the 21st September this year for caring for our planet too. I look forward to reading more great hubs from you both.


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tsadjatko 23 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

So the actual content of what Jodah says here means nothing to the sheep, this is just a mutual admiration society. If his "opinion" is the earth is square, "well, goooolly it must be then but we don't care, he's a gentleman! But if y'all don't agree with us y'all angry."

Really? So is that cool aid you're drinking, Jodah juice, also account for your passive aggression?


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fpherj48 23 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Yes, funny thing Jodah. I believe I might send you an invoice. I understand the Secret Service get paid big bucks.

I don't know. I must just be one of those lucky (?) ones who shows up at the wrong time in the wrong place.

You are right. He does seem to be a friend to all. We are just envious because we ALL wish to be him. In fact, he's my idol.


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tsadjatko 23 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Paula, I know you are a sweet soul and an encourager at heart willing to jump into any frey for the sake of civility, but really there are times when you just don't seem to care about the facts which are more important than feelings, in this case anyway. Jodah, someone on the other side of the earth you've never met who seems to spend all his time writing on hubpages is a "scholar and a gentleman" but the award winning Weather Channel founder John Coleman whose career spans over sixty years and over 9,000 Ph.D. s totally disagree with him. They claim that "the science [purportedly proving man made global warming] is not valid"

What are they to you?

They are not scholars and gentlemen? No I suppose you think like Mira? they are all just "angry men and women"

Give me a break. You few sheep want to make me out to be the wolf while worshipping the real wolf in sheep's clothing


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Jodah 23 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thanks Paula :), I really don't mind being called a shepherd either..at least I don't have "sad" in my name.


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Jodah 23 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

You just fail to see the point tsadjatko..."who cares if climate change is man made or not..I never said anywhere it was all man's fault", the fact is that it is real, even if it occurs naturally and we can take steps not to make it worse....who cares about John Coleman and 9000 PhDs...you do obviously.


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Mira Fang 23 months ago from Canada

Mr. Tsadjatko,

Repeating the same point over and over does not increase its validity. Also, I would appreciate you not assume that my opinion of others would be the same as my opinion of you. I have a rather simple time of respecting scholars that I do not agree with, should they conduct themselves in a professional manner.

As for the argument you are so desperate to have, allow me to make one point. Not all those who are concerned about climate change believe it is a man made occurrence. Some of us recognize that it is a natural occurrence but realize it's process is being expedited by man. Your knack for lumping all people into one category or the other demonstrates your own inability to think more diversely on the subject.

Be careful, your 'superiority through inferiority' complex is showing.


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tsadjatko 23 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Again Jodah you misrepresent - it was you who said "...to name a few, are under constant pressure from Climate Change and Global Warming skeptics and deniers to prove that mankind's actions (mankind's actions, gee what does that mean) are having a detrimental effect and can be directly linked to the deterioration of our climate and environment in general." The millions of other "sheep" you say unite against climate change in a rally around the world on the 21st September all believe in man made global warming - look at the speakers, advocates of man made global warming

So don't make out like that is not what you are talking about. If it is not man made then there is nothing man can do about it. See this is what you do to avoid discussing the facts you go to great lengths to turn this discussion to be on my personality when I have nothing to do with it except I point to the truth, I'm just the messenger. Isuppose you want to claim the Clinton semantics defense? Not "it depends on what the meaning of is is but "mankind's actions" isn't the same as "man made"? Yeah the sheep will buy that.

Mira I repeat facts because Jodah does all he can to ignore the facts or misrepresent them and will not even acknowledge them - I'm talking in reference to man made global warming which Jodah referred to in his hub making out like these poor agencies and scientists are under siege - why? He states because they have to defend their belief in man made global warming. "Eminent men and women like David Suzuki (geneticist), Tim Flannery (mammalogist, palaeontologist, environmentalist and global warming activist, and Australian of the Year 2007), and Kesha Forrest (Environmental Protection Specialist US Environmental Protection Agency) to name a few, are under constant pressure from Climate Change and Global Warming sceptics and deniers..(let me see here), do the rest of the words HE used "to prove that mankind's actions are having a detrimental effect and can be directly linked to the deterioration of our climate and environment in general." mean man made global warming? they do to me and any sane person who reads them.

If any one has a complex here it is certainly not me. Seems people with complexes often think everyone they disagree with is angry, oh but that's not you, is it.


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Eric Flynn 23 months ago from Providence, Rhode Island

Our greatest challenge as a race. Great work here, the more ideas and information out there will help influence our future.

EWF


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Jodah 23 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thanks Eric it is our greatest challenge, but while the sceptics continue to hide behind data and manufactured statistics and facts keep there heads up their asses instead of seeing what is clearly happening to the world with their own eyes, the challenge continues to become more difficult. Mankind's actions are having a detrimental effect and can be directly linked to the deterioration of our climate and environment in general. I proudly repeat that statement. It does not say "mankind caused climate change or it is man made...(.man is not God, he can't create climate as much as he may like to). Climate change is a natural phenomena, however man's actions have made it worse and happen faster than it would have otherwise. Some people can not see the forest for the trees. Sorry Eric, this rant isn't aimed at you. You are a wise man.


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Eric Flynn 23 months ago from Providence, Rhode Island

I agree with everything you said, except that im a wise man, ha jk, ill take it.

EWF


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tsadjatko 23 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

What's that I hear? baaa baaa baaa

hmmm I suppose this won't change your mind or even make you think twice?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi1Y9VSNzt0


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Jodah 23 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

Not until you start sharing stats from both sides of the argument it won't. blaa blaa blaa. I made my mind up on this subject 20 years ago, nothing that has happened since has convinced me otherwise, just confirmed it. Maybe you should concentrate your energies on trying to convince someone else naïve and innocent enough to be influenced by your argument tsadjatko.


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tsadjatko 23 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Of course, you closed your mind to reason 20 years ago. ("who cares about John Coleman and 9000 PhDs" not very scholarly comment by you my friend) Predictions you supported 20 years ago none of which came true proving the propaganda you swallowed 20 years ago was just that propaganda, yet you cling to it still not even hearing any opposing view which by the way is presented by people with far superior intellect and credentials than you and Al Gore, give me a break. But you made your mind up 20 years ago? That's a deep thinker.

You continue to confirm every point I say about you and your propaganda. You go from a hubpage supporting global warming "due to mankind's activity" to "who cares if climate change is man made or not..I never said anywhere it was all man's fault", the fact is that it is real..." No the fact is it isn't real, not in the way you believe, it has been and is a natural cycle that has been apparent since records have been kept and not due to CO2. And anyone can cherry pick links to support their "opinion" Research the validity and conclusions derived from any of your information and it is revealed to be questionable at best, but what does that matter, you made up your mind 20 years ago (your words not mine)

I must say I wouldn't want you on my debate team, even if you were actually a "scholar and a gentleman". Speak of sad, you are the definition of it.


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Jodah 23 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

If you ever commented on hubs that you agreed with positive comments rather than just try to tear down and argue against those you don't support I may give you some credence. Who has resorted to personal attack now? What I believed along with David Suzuki and others 20 years ago has been proved correct..sea levels are rising, polar caps are melting etc etc..the widespread clearing of forest affects climate and rainfall distribution...you are the sad narrow minded one my friend and you tried to make this debate not I...we would never be on the same debate team anyway as I doubt we would agree on very much at all. If you feel so strongly about your opinion on this write your own hub and state your beliefs don't be lazy and hijack others.


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fpherj48 23 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Jodah....I can only repeat that you are a TRUE gentleman and scholar.

Mr. "t"....It is very clear that your "purpose" in submitting comments is quite different than mine (and possibly most.) Speaking for myself, I read the works of my fellow-writers from the position of a "reader" as well as a writer. I comment to acknowledge the efforts made by the writer to present a topic and communicate to their readers, THEIR results and point of view.

Since I am an independent thinker, I may or may not be in full agreement with the author's opinion, but the reality is, this is not an issue I ever feel compelled to discuss in detail in our comment section.

I see you would like it very much if perhaps the comment section was, in fact, a huge virtual debate. I enjoy debate as much as the next opinionated soul. Just not HERE. The forums may be the place to be in terms of needing to fulfill the strong desire to debate.

Calling people out and pointing out "error, misinformation, research abilities," and all the numerous lovely aspects you choose to shoot down, is in 2 words: egregiously rude. This is really the FACT of the matter. Being a FACT-loving man, I know you can appreciate this.

Aside from rudeness, I see you are also a very literate, well-read and intelligent man. (You may even be a Teddy Bear, wanting a great big hug, for all I know)......Consider yourself hugged, Mr. "t" I hope I didn't hurt you. I have a tendency to squeeze tightly.

I would be honored to debate you, Mr. "t"..as a partner OR as your opponent. In the latter case, please be prepared to get your butt kicked. I hope you have a wonderful, peaceful day. I am sincere. Paula


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tsadjatko 23 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

"Who has resorted to personal attack now?" More deflection from the facts of global warming, you opened that door with your childish passive aggressive comment "at least I don't have "sad" in my name."

I'm only concerned with the truth and yes, I comment on hubpages like this one that and I have shown are pure propaganda but to say I never "commented on hubs that you agreed with with positive comment" is just insane. Most hubs I comment on I agree with, like you've followed my comments on hubpages? So instead you lie. Actually your statement doesn't even make sense..if I commented on hubs that I agreed with with positive comment would give me some credence? So your idea is that people are only credible if they positively comment on hubpages they agree with ? Duh, ok I've done that more than you can count so there goes that argument. Besides. as I have said all along credence isn't given to opinions or personalities, it is in the test of the factuality peresented in the comment, but you demonstrate clearly that means nothing to you.

It is amazing Paula, that not one of your comments to me (most of Jodah's either for that matter) is about any of the information in this hubpage or what I have presented factually against it. You sound like you are expressing some sort of love affair you have with Jodah whose honor you evidently think needs to be defended. Funny chivalry usually works the other way around. Hey but you have educated me further as to the relationship between the sheep and the shepherd. I hope you have a wonderful, peaceful day, too. I am sincere, wish no one harm, just telling it like it is.


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fpherj48 23 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Jodah...Let's just hope your wife never finds out....!


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Mira Fang 23 months ago from Canada

Mr. Tsadjatko,

It is clear this is an argument you are not willing to drop. I propose we cease the petty name calling and questioning of personality. Let's try having a genuine conversation. I imagine, considering you are the intellectual type, I would enjoy such a conversation immensely. This whole time, I have been curious to hear your thoughts. However, I find it difficult when written the way they have been written.

Can we begin by clearing up specifically what your argument is? Are you arguing that climate change does not exist? Or that it is not man made?


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tsadjatko 23 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

My argument can't be more clear. Mira. I suggest you read all my comments again, start with the first (which by the way that link has changed it now is: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/23/weather-chan... and view the interview I posted. Tell me what part of "the science [purportedly proving man made global warming] is not valid" and the link and the interview do you find hard to understand? Nothing more need be said, my point of view is clearly expressed, my observations demonstrably true (including sheep and shepherd) having nothing to do with name calling or personalities (which Jodah has gone to great lengths to introduce because he hasn't a leg to stand on) and let's remember you are the first one who called me angry and cast dispersions upon my mental health. Now you wish for a genuine conversation? Why didn't you start there instead of attacking me personally? I don't sense any sincerity from you whatsoever because what you say you are looking for is there in print, but evidently sheep have trouble reading anything that they don't believe.


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Mira Fang 23 months ago from Canada

Sigh. You win Mr. Tsadjatko. My attempt at making amends has gone unappreciated. That's fine. Be well.


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Jodah 23 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

This will be my last post on the matter. Once again Paula and Mira thank you for your support. I am sorry you were both dragged in onto this one sided debate. Forgive me if I am wrong tsadjatko but I think the name calling began with "the shepherd and sheep" comment and you have progressively got more aggressive. You will not state or expand on your exact climate change argument other than to keep referring to links you are obsessed with and to repeat it is natural and not "man-made" so this is going nowhere. Paula has advised you on proper hub ettiquette and both she and Mira have offered to debate you but you have not accepted. I refrained from doing this, and never have before, but any future comment by you will be denied.

Haha Paula, we have to keep this love afair quiet...just hope tsadjatko doesn't' spread these rumours. Have a great day all.


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Mira Fang 23 months ago from Canada

You are most welcome Jodah. There is no need for you to apologize. I take full responsibility for my part in the conversation. Looking forward to the next hub you share.


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fpherj48 23 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Jodah....In the interest of beginning this affair with honesty. You are not my first Hubpages affair.....and knowing myself.....you will not be the last.

If I must break your heart....so be it.


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Jodah 23 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

Aw Paula..at least it was great while it lasted :)


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fpherj48 23 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

That's the name of my Biography!


Elvis 20 months ago

I know you're trying to be coinuientsocs and do what you think is right, but please, PLEASE look into climate change before you go any further. It's a proven fraud. Haven't you heard about Climate Gate? It's all about money, money, money. IPCC members have admitted that they wanted to create hysteria at the outset in order to get money. Special interest groups lobby, do favors, get favors that's all this is about. Money makes the world go round. For crying out loud, you can find out that the science in "An Inconvenient Truth" was faulty just be Googling the facts. Al Gore, who started the hysteria with his film, is a lying hypocrite. There are hundreds of scientists in the U.S. alone trying to speak out about this but they're being blackballed by their colleges (again money). Do you know these scientists held a convention in NYC to discuss how this hysteria is affecting their field and careers? I doubt it. Most people didn't because the media conveniently overlooks anything that doesn't fit their agenda.Warming and cooling has been happening cyclically since weather conditions have been recorded. There is absolutely no crisis happening here. If you want to motivate people in positive way, start researching this economic meltdown and what is happening to our nation. Now THAT is a crisis. You can start with a book called "The 5000 Year Leap." Easy to read and certainly not what you learn in public schools. This is what people need to wake up to and get involved in.


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Jodah 20 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thanks for your interesting opinion Elvis. Oh, your nation is not my nation by the way so I am not looking at things from a purely US viewpoint. My country is experiencing the most dramatic change in weather conditions since records began.


Tyanne 20 months ago

I'm so glad I found my soiuoltn online.


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ChitrangadaSharan 14 months ago from New Delhi, India

Climate change and global warming are indeed real issues that affect the whole world, and we need to find a solution urgently.

Thanks for sharing this important hub to spread awareness and all of us must do that.

You have discussed some very important issues with suitable pictures. Thanks for sharing this useful hub! Voted up!


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Jodah 14 months ago from Queensland Australia Author

Thank you for your comment and support Chitrangada. I realize that this is a controversial issue but no matter what the deniers like to believe climate change IS happening and we all have to start taking steps to try to turn it around or at least slow it's progress. I appreciate the vote up.

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