The DEATH PENALTY: aka "Capital Punishment"

The Legal Issue and the Moral Issue

"Perhaps the bleakest fact of all is that the death Penalty is imposed not only in a freakish and discriminatory manner, but also in some cases upon defendants who are actually innocent." William Brennan, Jr., late U.S. Supreme Court Justice

Without question, the issue of Capital Punishment remains a seriously controversial one. It is safe to accept that it will remain so, as long as there are such staunch opposing views amongst Americans throughout our great nation. Yet, in spite of this fact, for the past decade or more, both supporters and opponents of the death penalty are calling for a moratorium on executions. Both groups have been urging states to halt executions and examine the way that capital punishment is applied.

Not only is Capital Punishment a continually controversial issue, but far more importantly, the death penalty is fatally flawed. It is a disgrace to a nation that was founded on principles of justice, human rights and civil liberties. Further, it is even more appalling when death sentences are handed out to those who are INNOCENT. The American Criminal Justice System is failing miserably to fulfill it's highest duty, to protect innocent individuals from wrongful convictions and death sentences.

The Case for a Moratorium on Executions

As more and more attention has been focused on the unfairness and immorality of Capital Punishment in the United States, private citizens as well as public officials, continue to raise questions about this critical human rights issue.

A former death penalty supporter, Illinois Governor George Ryan, citing the release of 13 innocent prisoners from Illinois's death row, made the following statement: "I cannot support a system, which, in its administration, has proven so frought with error and has come so close to the ultimate nightmare, the state's execution of an innocent life."

Egregious Injustices..........

"It's difficult to describe what it is like to serve time on death row knowing you are innocent. All you know is that what seems like an awful nightmare is now reality, a reality beyond comprehension." --Ray Krone, released from prison April, 2002. (pictured (R) with 22 month old daughter)

Can there be anything more horrific than the execution of a human being for a crime he or she did not commit? For the hundreds of wrongfully convicted, death row inmates, who have been ultimately exonerated , we must recognize the unconscionable abuse of the human rights of these individuals.

What are the leading factors that cause innocent people to be convicted and sentenced to death? While there are numerous, the most common factor is mistaken eyewitness testimony. Current scientific research clearly shows that eyewitness testimony is far less reliable than once believed. This is especially significant when the testimony involves a witness and a defendant of different races. Other leading factors contributing to wrongful convictions include defective or fraudulent science, fabricated testimony or testimony from jailhouse informants, grossly incompetent lawyers, false confessions and surely not the least of all, police and prosecutorial misconduct. (to read an individual study of the most blatant and egregious case of the latter, search Marty Tankleff, New York State.

The real shame of Capital Punishment

The hundreds of death row inmates who have been exonerated over the years, despite the pain and suffereing of having large chunks of their lives wasted behind bars, have been, in a bizarre sense, the fortunate ones.

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rubin cantu

Over the past five years, some of the nation's leading newspapers have published groundbreaking exposes detailing the cases of at least four men who were executed despite the existence of evidence which clearly revealed their innocence.

Rubin Cantu, a 26-yr-old-Latino man from San Antonio, Texas, was executed in 1993 for a robbery-murder committed in 1985 when he was yet a boy of 17. Twelve years after his death, the Houston Chronicle published an investigative series which revealed that another defendant, who pled guilty to participating in the crime, signed an affidavit swearing that Ruben Cantu was not with him that night and had no part in the murder.

Carlos De Luna, a young Latino man from Corpus Christi, Texas, executed in 1989 for stabbing a convenience store clerk to death in 1983. Carlos was convicted on the basis of a quick-on-the-scene witness identification.

De Luna vehemently declared his innocence and claimed the real killer was Carlos Hernandez. In 2005, an investigative series by the Chicago Tribune revealed that Hernandez had a long history of attacks similar to the convenience store killing and reported to numerous friends and relatives that he committed the murder for which De Luna was executed.

Larry Griffin, St.Louis, Missouri 1995
Larry Griffin, St.Louis, Missouri 1995

Larry Griffin, a 40-year-old black man from St.Louis, was executed in Missouri in 1995 for the drive-by shooting of a drug dealer in 1980. The only evidence against him was a witness who claimed to have seen Griffin at the crime scene. The witness was a white career criminal with several felony charges pending. In 2005, the St. Louis Post Dispatch reported that the first police officer on the scene and the victim's sister both agreed that this supposed witness- who would have stood out in an all-black neighborhood-wasn't even there when the shooting occurred.

Cameron Todd Willingham, Corsicana, Texas
Cameron Todd Willingham, Corsicana, Texas

Cameron Todd Willingham, a 36-year-old white father of three from Corsicana, Texas, was executed in 2004 for murder by arson. Months after his execution, The Chicago Tribune reported that new scientific knowledge proved that testimony by arson "experts," at Willingham's trial was worthless, and that there was NO evidence that the fire was even caused by arson.

The Movement to End the Death Penalty

There are practical ways we can make a difference.

* Write to your legislators about the danger of innocent people being executed by State-sanctioned murder. Direct them to the need for a moratorium on the death penalty.

* Write letters to the editors of newspapers, and call radio and TV talk shows stating your opposition to the death penalty. Cite specific names of individuals, State & date of exonerations from Death row.

* Participate in anti-death penalty demonstrations and vigils

* Offer support to death row prisoners, their families and the families of murder victims.

* Become active with your state or local anti-death penalty organization.

Sean Penn's Superb Portrayal of, "Dead Man Walking"

Attorney Barry Scheck of The Innocence Project.

What is your opinion of the Death Penalty?

  • I think it is fair & just punishment & deters criminals
  • I am in agreement with Barry Schek & others who argue against the Death Penalty
  • I am unsure and go back & forth regularly
  • I believe we should keep the Death Penalty but revise it considerably
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fpherj48 7 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Jackie.....Agreed, hands down on all points. What our Judicial System needs (and sorely lacks) is some serious in-depth analysis, Constitutional wisdom, alterations made with absolute EXCEPTIONS in Federal Death Penalty cases.....common sense & zero tolerance for the legal system misconduct & "games."

As I mentioned elsewhere....Truly guilty parties are much more readily arrested, charged & convicted "beyond a reasonable doubt" due in large part to the phenomenal discoveries & use of state-of-the-art DNA investigation. It becomes mind-blowing that even the most ignorant of individuals believe for one second that there is a full-proof way to evade their guilt!

I too feel there is egregious waste of time & money in all the appeals & years of waiting to execute when absolute 100% guilt has been found. Thanks, Jackie!


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Jackie Lynnley 7 months ago from The Beautiful South

I cannot see how so may of these people actually are on death row, such as Darlie Routier when there is certainly a reasonable doubt. As for the ones though that have DNA evidence or clear and absolute proof they should be taken in and zapped like right now! Why waste a dime on them? Send a signal to the world of crime and stop being out a fortune giving them more rights and attention than the victims who get treated worse than the criminals many times besides the offense already committed against them or their loved one.


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fpherj48 7 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Gavin....(I admit, I do not know who or what "Zoidberg" is) However, regarding your comment to my DP Hub...Torture? Perhaps no physical torture, Gavin~~but if you're confined to Death Row, waiting to be executed, knowing you are 100 % innocent, that's what I might refer to as extremely torturous....Thanks for reading & commenting. Peace, Paula


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Discordzrocks 7 months ago from Austin TX

Great hub, so many people are put to the death penalty. But they should be thankful for one thing. They weren't tortured to death. Signed, Zoidberg.


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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Hello Paul Thank you for your thoughtful comment. When faced with the blood of innocents on their hands, those in favor will merely state that no system is perfect~~yet they opt for Capital Punishment without conscience. Unforgivable.


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Paul Kuehn 8 months ago from Udorn City, Thailand

Paula, Thank you very much for sharing an excellent hub. As a Christian, I am against the death penalty because it goes against the commandment of God that "thou shalt not kill." As you pointed out in this hub, innocent people receiving the death penalty is awful and shouldn't be allowed to happen. I am sharing this hub on Facebook and with Hubpages followers.


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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Lana....Thank you. Fewer and fewer people are in favor of the death penalty in recent years. It has become public knowledge that the Justice system is far too flawed for humans to play God. I would imagine many convicted and sentenced to life w/o parole will claim they would rather die, but in the end, the finality of death is not for humans to decide.

Thank you for your thoughtful comment.


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kalinin1158 8 months ago from California

Great article, Paula! I also strongly oppose death penalty and advocate for its complete abolishment. But it's not the only part of the issue. I think the whole judicial system is flawed. I've recently watched "Making a Murderer" on Netflix, and it was certainly eye-opening. Even without the capital punishment, people are wrongfully convicted of crimes they didn't commit and sentenced to life in prison, sometimes without parole. What's worse - death or life in prison? I don't know. But out of all kinds of punishments, capital punishment is unarguably the most barbaric one.


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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Hi there Au fait! good to hear from you. Thanks so much for your interesting input on the DP. I respect your opinions & am always amazed at your wisdom & common sense.

So true as well as unfortunate that parents will often resort to false & damaging tactics during divorce. How much worse can it get when innocent kids are hurt the most?

"In fact there is no remedy in the law for hurt feelings." POWERFUL statement, my friend! Thanks. Paula.


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Au fait 8 months ago from North Texas

People not guilty of what they were charged, tried, and convicted of have indeed been put to death and there is little that can be more wrong than taking someone's life wrongfully. Our justice system isn't perfect and never will be so long as it's managed by humans. No human is perfect. Yes, many insist they are, I've heard them, but in fact they are in denial about who they really are.

I oppose the death penalty and have ever since I actually gave it some thought. Some 30 or more years. Much better to my thinking that a thousand guilty people go free than one person be put to death who is not guilty.

I know a lot of people believe sacrificing one or two guiltless people is acceptable to get the others off the street, but that's because the one or two are faceless and dehumanized in their minds. Believe me, if it was themselves or someone who really mattered to them that was being put to death they would have different thoughts.

Most people have no idea how many women accuse their husbands of sexually assaulting their children in order to get their pound of flesh during the divorce, when in fact there was no abuse. They don't care what they must put even their little children through, to get even with the ex-husband to be.

In fact there is no remedy in the law for hurt feelings. Falsely accusing someone of something only brings more ugliness into a world that is already saturated with it.

Well written Paula. as your articles always are.


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fpherj48 9 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Thanks Ralph.....Oh, I'm not into "debating" every topic on HP! But we sure have plenty of fellow writers who literally LIVE to do that. I'm a firm believer in everyone having a respected opinion, even when we don't agree.

If you had had the time to read some of the comments back & forth, you would see that I actually AGREE with you. There definitely ARE cases that are cut & dry, utterly egregious in nature & proven beyond a shadow of a doubt....WITHOUT "DEALS" & GAME PLAYING, LEGAL MISCONDUCT ETC. Know what I mean?

Actually Ralph, now anymore, it is becoming much easier to avoid finding the WRONG person guilty. Forensic Science is beyond amazing and being used more accurately.

IMO, anyone found guilty of crimes against "CHILDREN" need to be walked from the court room to the chair...and I don't mean the lounge chair.

Thanks for your input. You are correct in your assessment. Paula


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RJ Schwartz 9 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

You make a very strong case for eliminating the Death Penalty, yet in our violent world today there are truly some monsters who deserve to forfeit their lives for their crimes. I don't want to create a debate on the topic as it usually becomes a no-win event, just wanted to let you know that I enjoyed reading it.


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fpherj48 10 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Moon..I thank you for visiting. Just so you know, I welcome all comments & opinions w/o issue. Respect your decision to say no more. It's our differences that make the world go round.

Have a wonderful day. Peace, Paula


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moonlake 10 months ago from America

Great hub. That's all I will say and keep my opinion of the death penalty to myself!


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fpherj48 10 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

pinto...I appreciate your comment. Stop by any time.


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pinto2011 10 months ago from New Delhi, India

Nice, enriching and enlightening post. Learnt quite a few things from this thoroughly researched material.


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fpherj48 12 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Life w/o the possibility of parole served in a hard core maximum security prison, with very very few comforts and/or privileges can be FAR worse than just being to put to sleep like the rabid animals some of these dirt bags are.

As you may have gleaned from my hub, I share your frame of mind on this as well.

I'm 100% positive I only had 4 sons, Blake, but the more of your work I read, I'm thinking I may have bumped my head some years back and had YOU as my fifth son. You sound JUST like them! Hey, sorry for abandoning you! LOL....Peace, Paula (Thanks for stopping by)


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Blake Butler 12 months ago from New York

Great article, and you raised a lot of important points.

I'm opposed to the death penalty most of the time. However, I do make acceptions some of the time.

Firstly, there has to be concrete evidence that proves, without a doubt, that the person is guilty.

Secondly, it has to be heinous. A serial killer who tortured and butcherd several innocent people? Not human, in my mind. Does not deserve rights. Does not deserve life.

Also, it seems most people are opposed to the death penalty for moral or ethical reasons. I don't see the death penalty as less humane than locking someone in a cage for 80 years. Personally, I'd pick lethal injection over being locked in a crate the rest of my life.

Blake


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fpherj48 14 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

ROFLMAO!!!! You slay me blue dragon...How can any woman help but fall in love with you? You missed your calling......The World Stage is yours. I'm giggling like a blushing teen!

What shall I do with you?.................DON'T answer that!


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somethgblue 14 months ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

". . . people have a tendency to vacillate on this controversial issue."

I love it when you use those big important sounding multi-syllable words . . . ooh baby!

You have an open invitation to comment (vacillate) on my hubs anytime! I will be your vacillator!

I'm just your love vacillator and I don't work for nobody but you, ooh, ooh, ooooh-ooo!


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fpherj48 14 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Peggy....and you, (bless your heart) are from Texas!! Our Country's leading killing state. I'm sure it's difficult to come to some decisions and this is why so many people have a tendency to vacillate on this controversial issue.

My fervent wish is that the Legal community would be honest and remain within the bounds of the law....so that the possibility of locking up innocent individuals on death row, was down to nearly zero.....then I know I and millions of others could feel differently or at least revisit the State decisions.

As I have said, there are situations and cases where I firmly believe a hardened, 100% guilty criminal should meet His Maker......but first, the SYSTEM needs to stop screwing up!...Thanks so much for the visit.


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Peggy W 14 months ago from Houston, Texas

That video by Barry Scheck at the end is very convincing and gives one some room for thought on this subject. Reading some of the comments was also informative. The thought of anyone who is innocent being put to death is horrific. A life sentence without parole especially if it is less expensive than keeping people on death row (3 times less expensive according to one of your comments) seems like the best way to move forward. Sharing this!


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somethgblue 14 months ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

When I was much younger I actually felt the Death Penalty was a good idea but now having gained some wisdom, find the whole idea disgusting.

How can you punish someone for killing someone by killing them?

Hello, anybody home?

Nobody has the right to extinguish any life and that includes insects, animals, fish, birds.

I used to love to fish but now can't even do it because it is torturing the fish for fun. If I find a spider in my house I capture it and release it outdoors.

People kill animals simply because they can and never think twice about it but if learn to cherish all life as sacred and practice it on a regular basis it can change your perspective.

Until our legal system returns to the premise that you are innocent until proven guilty, we should halt all Death Penalties and try rehabilitation, half way houses for non-violent offenders and drug convicts


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fpherj48 14 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Said like an aware, intelligent and concerned American!! There's only one option for us. WE NEED TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!

Thanks for the visit and comment aviannovice!


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aviannovice 14 months ago from Stillwater, OK

Many terrible things happen in this country. Our government also wants us to have no knowledge of where our meat comes from, and the fact that GMO crops will not be labeled is another outrage. What else are they going to do besides pour poisons from fracking into our water supply. I shudder to think what else is next. Life has been at the bottom of the barrel for many, many years.


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fpherj48 15 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Tony.......the DP is something that our civilized Nation should be ashamed of. With all of the injustices, facts that have been exposed in terms of expense and lack of deterrent, it is obvious America can and should create a system of punishment that speaks to our stagnant penal system.

Thank you Tony for recognizing that putting people to death, speaks loudly of our complete void of positive alternatives to this problem.


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tony55 15 months ago from Nigeria

Capital punishment is inhuman and makes the state equally guilty of murder irrespective of the laws that govern such countries. Death sentence laws are made by man and have not proven to be a deterrent to hideous crimes.


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fpherj48 15 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

OH Darn! Hi Shyron...I meant to watch that program! I suppose it will air again or maybe I can find it online. I'll bet it was very interesting.

There are so many murders...especially of children, quite sadly. I'm not able to place the one you mentioned in particular, but will look that up also.

Thanks for visiting Shyron. This topic will forever be a controversial, hot button issue!......Peace, Paula


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Shyron E Shenko 15 months ago

Paula, I just watched a documentary about botched death penalties, and a couple of the men who carry out the executions’ and how that affected their lives, thinking that maybe some of the men were not guilty. I know I could not be an executioner, even if I knew the person was guilty, but would come close for the men who killed the 9 year old girl in Aurora, Illinois.

This is a most interesting hub. Thumb-up, UABI and shared.

Blessings and hugs


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fpherj48 16 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Jackie.....Thank you for visiting and for your sensible comment! I am in 100% agreement of all you say!........The scales of Justice are most definitely "off-kilter!!" Peace, Paula


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Jackie Lynnley 16 months ago from The Beautiful South

This is horrible; really and I think it should be a sure thing before they execute someone but I am for it in those cases and for every child rapist it should be death but of course it is lucky to see them get ten years. Guess there will never be true justice in this world.

Maybe the next.

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fpherj48 16 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Chris....Thank you so much for visiting and for your generous comment. The DP is one topic for certain that can keep discussions going forever. 12 different people will have 12 different ideas and/or opinions (to varying degrees) about it.

In all fairness, I'm not a "bleeding heart" by any stretch. My intention is to awaken the general public to the realization that cases like the ones I present are rampant in our country and we simply cannot allow it to go on.

If our Judicial System was not as twisted and corrupt and UNBALANCED as it is, this would not be such an egregious issue.

It so happens that when we become really "involved" for some reason, the seriousness of it all hits us smack dab in the face and can leave us reeling. I'd safely guess that more than 80% of the average American has no clue whatsoever what REALLY goes on in and out of our courtrooms! It is SHAMEFUL......actually, CRIMINAL!

Thank you again....Peace, Paula


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Chriswillman90 16 months ago from Parlin, New Jersey

I used to be for the death penalty but now I'm strongly against it. I always believed that if someone committed the ultimate crime, murder, that they should get back what they deserve.

As I got older and matured, I realized that killing someone who may have been innocent in the first place is not the way to handle the situation. We are throwing our legal system out the window and we're potentially killing innocent people.

I'd rather have someone suffer in jail then get the easy way out through death. For example, the Boston Bomber should not be executed. I'd rather have him spend the rest of his life rotting in a prison cell because death would be too good for him.

Not everyone will agree with that stance, but it's what I believe in so sue me if it's not the popular opinion. I loved the way you broke the death penalty in this piece and provided some great examples of people wronged in the process. I couldn't live with myself if I was responsible to delivering the death blow to an innocent victim on death row.

I don't think there's any justice in that, and you better be 100% certain they've committed those heinous crimes or it'll be your rear end.

Thank you for writing this hub because it was fantastic and I loved reading every paragraph. Voted up!!!


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fpherj48 17 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Wrench &

Siva

I'm sorry for the delay is responding! I am just now seeing your comments for the first time. Just an oversight I guess.

Biscuit...the DP will always be a hot-button & controversial issue in our Country. I will never understand why they cannot ( or will not) do a complete overhaul in this regard.

It may take a good deal of time and blood seat and tears to make plausible changes, but it would surely be worthwhile.

Siva....I understand what you are saying and you are correct. It is interesting to me how other Countries operate in terms of their Judicial System. It is so very different the World over.

I appreciate your visit. Peace, Paula

Thanks for your comments.


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fpherj48 17 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Insane....All you say......wait, MOST of what you say makes sense and I feel very similar about this. For instance: Just using one of the most recent multiple murder cases of the young, mentally deranged & racist kid who point blank killed 9 people during a Bible study.

He purposely left an individual alive, telling her it was so that she could "tell the story" of the murders.

Absolutely....THE DEATH PENALTY. On the other hand, because he's loonier than a bed bug, there will be issues with that of course.

I'd also add that "some particular kind of personalities," for instance, Jodi Arias, would be much better sentenced to suffer a LIFETIME of incarceration, only the barest of necessities, 23 hr. lock-up each day....etc. WHY? Because she is a young, self-absorbed, diva-like evil witch who prided herself on her sex-appeal and charm and LOVED to be the center of attention. Life w/o the possibility of parole for her would be far worse than being put to sleep.

There are any number of ways to look at this issue. Unfortunately the Justice system uses their broad brush and cookie cutter laws & fail to see the advantages to choices.

The lengthy wait for Death Row inmates as I'm sure you're aware, is due to APPEALS. Oh well. Stay outta jail. That's a good start.


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Insane Mundane 17 months ago from Earth

If the Death Penalty was primarily used for the ones that are obviously guilty of horrendous crimes like public shootings, bombings, mass murders, etc., I doubt if there would be as much debate.

The other thing they need to fix is when they do decide to give somebody the death penalty, don't perform it 15 years later and whatnot. It is not fair to execute somebody years and years and/or decades later from their original date of conviction, as many of them most likely feel like a totally different person by then. The death penalty works best when the certitude of the convictions are shiny and the execution process is swift.

Then again, we could just throw 'em into a giant cage with wild, vicious animals and equip the death row criminals with slingshots and buckets of tiny rocks. They could sell tickets for cheap entertainment or people could view it via the Internet with live streaming video; ha! Or, we could do as the Romans did at the Colosseum. Or... Never mind. Let's just go back to the standard death penalty for the extreme criminals that are without a doubt guilty!


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Siva222 17 months ago from Chennai

Excellent Hub. I am an Indian and in India you can challenge the court orders in a higher court and also send a mercy petition to the president on some grounds( which have to be valid though for consideration). But the problem here is that it takes ages for the petition to be reviewed and the convict would have spent a long time waiting for the outcome. Sometimes decades. That is more painful than getting the death sentence. I don't know whether death penalty is right or wrong. But I know one thing for a fact that if found that the conviction was given wrongly then the judge who convicted should also be sent to jail for a period of time for wrong conviction. And also the lawyer who twisted the facts.

P.S

This is my view.


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wrenchBiscuit 17 months ago

Great article! The people who believe in the death penalty simply don't have their head on straight. It will be a blessing when they all die of natural causes, or when they are hit by an automobile while crossing the street.

A goal of a majority of death penalty advocates is retribution and punishment. They mistakenly believe that the death penalty is the worst punishment that can be inflicted by a civilized society. This is simply a myth. In fact, just the opposite is true. The most merciful thing you could do for someone who is truly guilty of murder, and who is facing life in prison, is to execute them! In fact, the famous story about the convicted murderer Gary Gilmore dealt directly with this issue. Gilmore was unique because he fought and petitioned the government, not to stay alive, but instead to be executed! Gilmore knew that death was preferable to spending the rest of his life in a cage.

I believe in life after death. But whether anyone believes or not, we must all agree that once someone is executed, they are freed from the shackles, the chains, and the cage that confined them. They are free! It is absurd to think that you are punishing a guilty man, when all you are doing is setting him free! And so, when we consider the guilty, capital punishment is not an option, especially if our goal is punishment. When we consider the innocent, and the wrongfully accused, I need not explain why capital punishment is not an option.

And so, we can see that there are no circumstance that warrant the death penalty. It is a barbaric practice that provides no benefit to society whatsoever. Just as the old men, the generals, the dogs of war, should be the ones sent to die on the battlefields, so too, the death penalty advocates should be strapped to a gurney and put out of their ignorant misery, as they both belong to a lesser breed of man.


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fpherj48 17 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Shyron...Good to see you and thank you for your sincere comment.......I also believe that the DP is acceptable in certain cases. For instance, this recent horrific mass murder at the AME Church........as well as the Boston Bomber.

Hate crimes (most especially when multiples murders are involved) and there is no shred of doubt as to the killer (videos, DNA, multiple witnesses, confession, etc) are incidents ripe for the DP.

In States where the DP does not exist, Federal cases are DP eligible anyway....so unless there is a massive move to remove it State by State, it appears Capital Punishment will be here for quite some time.

It is most important IMHO, to clean up the negligence, misconduct, deal-making and blatant deceit by those thugs in our Justice system.

Thanks again, Shyron.....Peace, Paula


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Shyron E Shenko 17 months ago

Dear Paula, I believe that in some cases the death penalty should be i.e. Charles Manson and he is still alive and well and better off that any homeless person, he has food shelter and clothing, no worries.

On the other hand I would not want the responsibility of sending someone to their death or being the one to give them the shot.

This really is food for thought.

Voted up, UAI and shared

Blessings and Hugs dear friend.


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fpherj48 17 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Hi Frank.....Re-visits are allowed and appreciated. After 3 years I STILL remember your original comment....You are 1000% FOR the DP.

Still holding that conviction?

I just thought I'd let you know...since I wrote this...17 MORE individuals have been exonerated and freed from DEATH ROW. They were declared INNOCENT through DNA evidence and/or discovery of the ACTUAL Killer.

That's SEVENTEEN human beings who may be D-E-A-D by the hand of the U.S. Penal System......for absolutely no reason whatsoever. You want your signature on that death certificate? WOW......Not I...thank you. I'll convert you yet, Frank.


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Frank Atanacio 17 months ago from Shelton

after three years this hub still intrigues me.. just checked on it again bless you


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fpherj48 17 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

ps......Thank you for your comment and your passion on this injustice....I'll be watching for those Angels!..:)


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pstraubie48 17 months ago from sunny Florida

Hi Back again to comment on this because it remains an issue that our nation needs to address. Each time I hear of someone who has been released from death row after having been there for too long (one day, never mind 'years' is too long) I cringe but am so thankful they were released.

And then to hear of those who lost their lives and they were innocent...it is beyond comprehension.

This is such a well done article on the topic...keep your voice loud and strong. Angels are on the way to you this evening ps


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fpherj48 19 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

sg.....Hello and thanks for stopping by. You and I are on the same page, sg......"If only"....The problem with how our lawmakers do things is, it's always ALL or nothing. I cannot accept that there is not a feasible, legal and effective means to make the precise exceptions you have mentioned.

I wonder if it's considered just too much time and effort & thought process and they simply do things the quick, easy way.

That's not acceptable since we're dealing with human life here. The focus and attention is placed elsewhere too often....like "where the BIG money" is involved. Thanks again sg. Have a nice week end! Paula


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sgbrown 19 months ago from Southern Oklahoma

I believe that there are crazy, evil people in this world who should be put to death, Charles Manson, who you have written about, is one of those individuals. Serial killers, serial rapists and child molesters are among these. I do know that there are many people on death row that do not belong there and the judicial system needs a lot of work. I think the death penalty is given way too often and should be for those who there is NO doubt they are guilty of heinous crimes. Too many times, people are convicted without proper evidence.


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fpherj48 20 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Hi Cam...good to see you again. I know how controversial this topic is here in our Country, but it's those topics I feel need exposure the most. too often people adhere to opinions for decades without realizing that the Country has made concessions based upon new and advanced evidence and have moved forward on the basis of scientific progress.

Thanks for linkingmy article. I appreciate it. Have a good week-end, Paula


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cam8510 20 months ago from Columbus, Georgia until the end of November 2016.

Paula, Second time commenting.....Excellent article. The innocent ones are the collateral damage of the justice systems of too many of our states. I've linked your article to my latest flash fiction. They make a good set. Thanks for making such an effective appeal to readers to reconsider their position on this immoral institution.


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fpherj48 20 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Lady E...I thank you for taking the time and interest to read my hub and for your thoughtful comment.. I appreciate your input. Have a wonderful day!.. Peace, Paula


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Lady_E 20 months ago from London, UK

Thanks for an interesting and informative Hub. I think it should be reviewed regularly. Also, as much as it is a bad thing to smuggle drugs, I think a death penalty is very harsh. This is common in Thailand and Countries in that area.


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fpherj48 20 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

PS...glad you stopped by to read this. I so appreciate your interesting and thoughtful comment. Exactly....the DP has been proven time and time again that it is NOT a deterrent.

I see so many hubs of yours that I want to get back to and read! Have a peaceful day!....Paula


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fpherj48 20 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

tsad....Thanks for stopping by to read my hub and adding your thoughts.

We all seem to have at least one vital social issue that burns a fire in our gut. Needless to say THIS is one of my top 5. That fire was lit because of the case of Marty Tankleff (New York) numerous years ago.

Should you ever find the time (HOURS) to familiarize yourself with this monumental case, I would highly suggest you do so. After which, if you are not 100% outraged, totally discouraged and disgusted with the undeniable corruption within our Justice system....I would seriously question your sanity or at the very least your ability to reason as simple as what 2 +2 equals.

My late husband always said he had no idea how I lived through that case without having a stroke, heart attack and eventually imploding into bits. It is a time in my life that will stay with me forever. In fact, I was literally transformed from a believer in our Justice System to an extreme skeptic and alerted advocate. Marty's case did not even involve the death penalty. It didn't have to. This young 100% INNOCENT man was robbed of years of his youth and dealt with undeserved torment. I did not know him and to this day have not met him, but I fully intend to meet him one day. He is months away from his law degree, which he will not surprisingly be dedicating to fight for the WRONGFULLY CONVICTED. Regardless of what the public may want to believe or accept, The US of A has a shameful % of innocent people locked up behind bars. (They LIKE those "numbers".....it's all about the numbers and the convictions under their gross misconduct belts.

See...I shouldn't let myself get started on this topic, because I go a bit bonkers.....and I can easily discuss and debate this for days on end., except that I'm getting a bit old to push my blood pressure anymore.

Having said all this.....I feel that in the interest of sheer honesty.....bring me an individual who ...for instance, raped, tortured & murdered a child.....in daylight with eyewitnesses, DNA evidence as proof and full confession.......I will pull the switch myself, with a smile on my face. Just so people understand me. I am truly about AUTHENTIC justice. BTW, for the Attorneys & Judicial system out there.....that's a.k.a. TRUTH....ever heard of it, you scum bags?


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pstraubie48 20 months ago from sunny Florida

I came here and read this after your comment on the Karla Faye article. If one life is taken by 'mistake' then that is reason enough to end this barbaric act.

It clearly is no deterrent to those who would commit these heinous acts. I know that I have not had a loved one taken in this way. so perhaps that colors my view.

but I do believe in my heart of hearts that if someone who is put to death when they were not guilty that it would be a burden I would carry with me for ever.

We must find better ways to keep our young men and women from winding up in situations that lead them to such horrendous acts.

thank you for sharing this.

Angels are on the way to you and to those who are wrongfully imprisoned today ps


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tsadjatko 20 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

I wonder, why can't the people who make the laws, like the death penalty and all the rules and regulations that go along with it, just use some common sense, like you do Paula in addressing this issue, but then I realize, they are all lawyers.

The only use lawyers have for "common sense", by that I mean the obvious facts, is if they can use it to line their pockets, and lining their pockets never has to do with principles if it means those principles will make them less money from the government or its policies. To them the government is a senile elderly person who inherited trillions of dollars and is taunting them saying it's all yours if you can find a way to pick my pockets.

Stop the death penalty because innocent people may be killed (common sense). The lawyers say, "No, we'll take care of that and charge you many times the cost of incarceration to see innocent people don't get killed (no guarantees though)."

Stop the death penalty because it costs many times life incarceration. Lawyers say can't do that, these people deserve to die and it is a deterrent.

Stop the death penalty because of FAIRNESS AND CONSISTENCY – In murder cases, there is substantial evidence to indicate that the courts have been arbitrary, contradictory, and unfair in the way in which some people have been sentenced to prison and others to death, which has led the American Bar Association, and 287 organizations, calling for a moratorium on the death penalty. The American Bar Association? Tell me why then is its lawyers, who create and institute the death penalty laws, not refusing to do so? Because the American Bar association is comprised of lawyers, who are experts at giving lip service while doing the opposite in practice.

On and on it goes, you find there is a lawyer in every woodpile.

One simple solution, pass a federal law that makes it illegal for any lawyer to make money in any way from anything involving a death penalty. End of death penalty. But then lawyer fees for government work will have to double or triple if the politicians want to continue to get their money for their elections. In modern times that has become the meaning of the phrase "Balance of Power" in what has become "the land of the freebies and the home of the knave"


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fpherj48 20 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

and thank you for reading, cam. I am glad you enjoyed this hub and are of like mind. America remains just this side of most of the barbaric Middle East Countries who hang, behead and stone people to death in public view...for WHATEVER crime they choose to trump up. We just do it more organized and technical.....it's all so "civil" here when he sanction murder.


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cam8510 20 months ago from Columbus, Georgia until the end of November 2016.

Excellent hub. I switched on this one over a few years time and totally agree with Barry Scheck's thinking on this. Thanks for writing this insightful hub.


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fpherj48 20 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

I'm so glad you stopped by, CT...Thank you for the glowing comment. I appreciate our similar interests.


CrimeTraveller 20 months ago

Paula, I find it extremely telling that an article originally written some time ago is still as relevant and as powerful. I am in the UK where we do not have the death penalty but I follow the argument and cases in US regularly. You raise such important points regarding the criminal justice system along with some devastating cases.

Forensic evidence is not 100%, people including the police, lawyers and judges can not always be trusted, eyewitnesses can be wrong, confessions can be coerced and unfortunately many people will lie to suit themselves and for their own gain. It is a sad picture but it is reality.

Punishment must be in place for those who break the law, but for me, putting an individual to death is not the answer and the risk to those who are innocent is far too great.

Well written, well argued, well researched and a very important Hub with a strong message. Voted up and sharing!


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fpherj48 20 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Peg... Thanks for visiting. I completely understand the National ambivalence with regard to the DP. When & IF a miracle occurs and our Judicial system can get their act together, as well as CLEAN IT UP of all misconduct & jail house deals, my stance could very well change. As it stands, I simply cannot think any other way and know that totally innocent people are being executed (the most egregious issue being that "they know" that they have railroaded these people.....and yet, sleep well.)

Also, thought I would tell you, if it makes you feel any better.....housing Death row inmates costs the government 3X's more than the cost of a lifer. This is due to the grossly high costs in appeals. To confirm this fact, you need only google for the data....Peace, Paula


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PegCole17 20 months ago from Dallas, Texas

This thought provoking and controversial subject is a tough one to consider. At times, when made aware of the brutality of some crimes it seems the punishment fits the bill, yet, I would not want to be the one to pull the switch. Supporting career criminals seems like an expensive proposition too. I'm not sure what side I'm on in this question. If it were about the loss of a family member, I might have a stronger stance.

I have met someone who is now on death row. I do hope the jury was right in their conviction and sentencing for her sake.


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fpherj48 22 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Maria......I wrote a comment to you that seems to have disappeared...POOF! Strange things happening around here. I thank you for your comment. Coming from someone who came face to face with a killer, I can't ask for a more sincere opinion.

It requires very critical thinking, My girlfriend, but even more than this, the general population hasn't a clue of the Justice System BEHIND THE COURT ROOM. It is a mind-blowing experience/education.

Thanks so much my love....Peace, Effer


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Sunshine625 22 months ago from Orlando, FL

Heck, after 1-2 months of a life sentence I would prefer to be dead...but then again chances of me being on death row are slim to none. But then again...no, I'm sticking with slim to none.


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fpherj48 22 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Hey GF...thanks for visiting! Eye for an eye has it's justification in time and place, no doubt. The proof shown by numerous studies and actual case histories are indisputable.

The scales of Justice are too often unbalanced....often not even considered. Just this alone calls for a moratorium of the DP....if only one innocent life may be spared, due to the vast issues of our systems misconduct, mistakes, cover-ups, lies and manipulations.

The Reality is that Life without the possibility of parole has been proven to be not only far more cost-effective than decades of appeals by death row inmates, but more of a deterrent. Trust that after 20 or 30 years of a life sentence, inmates PREFER to be dead!........Hugs, SFAM.


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Sunshine625 22 months ago from Orlando, FL

Between the article and the discussions in the comments I think this hub would make a useful ebook. So many different opinions on a sensitive subject to all mankind. Well, except for those who couldn't care less. If those people even exist. I'm all for an eye for an eye. I'm not for waiting years for the execution to happen while death row inmates cost the taxpayers millions of dollars. Now I'm in the mood to watch the Green Mile. Oh how I love that movie!


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marcoujor 22 months ago from Jeffersonville PA

Dear Paula

I am ever so late but can say, without a doubt, that this subject is evergreen- and the comment stream is meaningful and thought provoking as well.

There were those in my life who seemed almost disappointed in me for not pushing for the DP in 1999.

I also happen to believe that God is our ultimate Judge and opt for life in jail thinking about one's choices/ or proving their innocence.

Excellent critical thinking. Voted UP and UI and sharing. Love Maria


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peachpurple 22 months ago from Home Sweet Home

that is why drugs is like a taboo to us asians, you can even read in news, singapore is very strict on drugs too


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fpherj48 23 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

That's interesting......also rather shocking. Taking a life is not as egregious to Asians as possessing, selling or using drugs? While I am certainly in favor of punishing those who commit drug crimes.....I simply don't agree with the DEATH PENALTY.

I'd be very interested in knowing the drug crime rate in Asian countries as opposed to all the others.

The DP has proven itself a non-deterrent for murder......so this is something worth looking into. Thank you peachpurple.


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peachpurple 23 months ago from Home Sweet Home

the death punishment is only applicable to drugs in Asian countries


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fpherj48 23 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Hello Jackie....Nice to have you stop by and leave your input. I appreciate your interest. Isn't it great to live in a Country where we are free to have an opinion and speak our minds? I wish you and your a Happy, Healthy New Year! Peace, Paula


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Jackie Lynnley 23 months ago from The Beautiful South

I am for the death penalty and sort of know what Frank mean. It is terrible to kill innocent people and it should always be without a doubt guilt. Mostly I think of rapist and child murders though and most of those are running around free or lost from detection.


derekchristie 2 years ago

How i wish it was so,over here we have "The Human Rights Charter"and with prisons over populated,bursting at the seams,the cost of £40k per annum for each prisoner with the result 30-70% remission for those that behave to alleviate the stress of overworked Warders. My dear friend 12 years ago was run over and killed by a drunken driver,first offence,his wife left him etc.and was sentenced to 4 years imprisonment,with 50% remission for good behaviour he was released after serving 2 years.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

derek.....It's a very well known matter of FACT that the DP is not a deterrent......never has been, never will be. This is due to the simple but INACCURATE belief by every moron who commits murder, will commit the perfect crime and NEVER be discovered.......so no need to concern themselves with the DP. Capital punishment proves utterly nothing.

Lock up the crazies for life with no chance of parole. Put them in cages with nothing.....make them work hard labor from sun up to sun down, refuse them contact of any sort with the outside world.....and make them TRULY pay in spades for their egregious, barbaric acts. Period, the end., This is far worse than putting them to sleep.


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CatherineGiordano 2 years ago from Orlando Florida

Actually, the appeals system sometimes works and sometimes it doesn't. Often an appeal is turned down on a technicality (e.g. late filing). If even one innocent person is executed that is too high a price to pay for a system that provides no benefit whatsoever. Unless you consider revenge a benefit. I researched Pierrepoint for my hub about him and he said is served no purpose but revenge.


derekchristie 2 years ago

Albert Pierrepoint,notorious hangman in the U.K. who executed 400+ ,after he retired said "C.P.had no value as a deterrent",haunting words considering his profession . C.P. was abolished here in 1965 and the issue of innocents being executed does not exist.We have an excellent appeals system which can quickly overturn sentences if or when fresh evidence is presented giving innocents an opportunity for release which is obviously not infallible.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Catherine....This is such a deadly, well-kept secret. It's the sort of education people must research and study. Our country doesn't want the egregious flaws of our Justice System to be known.

I have experienced knowing individuals who were staunch DP supporters......become shocked and appalled and turn completely around, after learning the truths of what really goes on.

I continually advise people to expose themselves to the entire Marty Tankleff case (New York) from start to his eventual release. The DP was not a part of this case but it is the most blaring & outrageous example of the depths and extremes the System will stoop....to hang a crime on someone. The Tankleff case nearly drove me to the brink of irreversible rage. Thanks for your comment.


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CatherineGiordano 2 years ago from Orlando Florida

Thank you for this passionate and intellectualyl solid argument against the death penalty. Innocent people are executed all the time, and as you point out, the innocence of the person executed is often proven. As long as we have executions, innocent people will be executed. I will continue to speak out on this in my own hubs.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

color......The States change and go back and forth so often, it's not easy to keep track. The one State we can always count on to be the leading Death Penalty Capital of the Nation of course is TEXAS...a.k.a the killing state.

Texas has more executions per capita than all other DP States combined.

I'll say no more (of the obvious) because I have some nice friends from Texas and I don't want to disrespect their beloved State...

Thank you for the visit. Peace. Paula


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colorfulone 2 years ago from Minnesota

I can only imagine what it was like to write this article. It must have taken an enormous amount of energy, research, passion. You got me curious to see how many states still have the death penalty, and it is too sad to even say.


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PinoyMom 2 years ago from Philippines

Death penalty is no longer imposed to prisoners in our country. Great hub.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Iris.....Nice to meet you. Thank you for appreciating my work. I see you have similar opinions. GOOD!....Peace, Paula


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Iris Draak 2 years ago from Boise, Idaho

Thank you for writing about something with meaning-ultimate meaning. I am sharing this. And voted up, of course!


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David Stone1 2 years ago from New York City

The death penalty always seemed like a waste to me. How can you understand the dynamics of a situation when the protagonist is already killed? We might even save a worthwhile life that went wrong from a chemical or emotional defect that can be fixed.

More upsetting though, especially after seeing the situations presented in "The Innocence Project" and the exposure of corrupt police work, is how many are unjustly convicted from cooked evidence, the worst part of the story being that, in convicting an innocent man or women, we leave free the guilty party to kill and maim again.

Altogether, there is so much wrong with capital punishment, it's hard to understand why it continues anywhere in advanced civilizations...


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

It's easy, Flourish. I get "involved." and am a staunch advocate of fairness in justice, (amongst other things).....You know how we're warned to keep our noses out of problems of others? I never did listen to that advice. LOL


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FlourishAnyway 2 years ago from USA

What a passionate stance. It makes me wonder where such fire in the belly on an issue comes from.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

True.....and deny our crooked, flawed Justice System the pleasure of executing their Sanctioned murder. It always amuses me when the idiots put any Death Row Inmate on "suicide watch.".....If that isn't the height of power trip....."No, no, you can't do that....we want to do it."


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JTRyder 2 years ago from Dayton, Ohio

Well, if you get frightened to death, at least it would expedite the process. ;)


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Thanks JT...having had enormous exposure to the flaws in our judicial system, based on my work with NYer's Against the Death Penalty as well as the Innocence Project, it can not be stressed strongly enough that every single American should be frightened to death to ever be caught up in the system for any reason.

Thanks for your comment.


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JTRyder 2 years ago from Dayton, Ohio

Great article! It reflects a lot of my beliefs. The system is based on flawed logic and is a brutal method that has a negligible effect as a deterrent. I'm going to definitely check out your other articles!


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Well, bill...obviously I certainly agree with you. The reality is that NUMEROUS people have been put to death as innocent of the crime charged with and tried for....there is literally proof positive of this travesty through the years.

I will usually just ask someone to try to "imagine" yourself or a loved one, wrongfully convicted & existing on Death Row for years, KNOWING they are NOT guilty. Then imagine the day of execution arrives after all time, efforts, appeals and struggling has been exhausted.......Only to have the TRUTH surface, without a shred of doubt....a few years after the person is gone.

How does our flawed Justice System embrace such egregious blindness? It frightens the hell out of me and it should do that to everyone.


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handymanbill 2 years ago from western pennsylvania

It is so wrong to kill people who might be innocent. I am quite sure that this has happened. I don't believe that it deters people from killing people.

They all figure that they can get away with it or at the time they commit the crime they are not thinking about the consequences. I believe that there is to much chance that by using the death penalty some one is going to be not guilty and if it is only one in a 1,000 then it is wrong.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Catherine.....I applaud you and your contributions to this worthy cause. Thank you for the visit.


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CatherineGiordano 2 years ago from Orlando Florida

I have a speech I give on the death penalty. I make some of the same points that you. It is just so painful to think about--the government murdering people--guilty or innocent. Thank you for writing this.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Linda.....If our law makers used common sense (God forbid!)....and came to staunch terms with the fact that not ALL laws have to be BLANKET laws....."either/or"..."on/off"...."black/white".....the judicial system would begin to come out from the shadows and up from under their cover of shame....We law-abiding American citizens could actually take a firm and comfortable stand once and for all with regard to the DP.

So much truth and justice could come from common sense laws and a good kick in the ass of our Judicial System....but, as with everything else that is 99% POLITICS........oh...that's an old, tired story. Thanks Linda


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lrc7815 2 years ago from Central Virginia

Paula, this is an awesome piece and I don't know why I had not seen it before. It is a subject that I struggle with. I wrote about it some time ago, explaining my own internal conflict over the death penalty. What I have no issue with is that I know innocent people are incarcerated and have been executed and everything about that is wrong. I know that our judicial system is severely flawed and is primarily a system of justice for those that can afford to purchase justice. I am hopeful however and feel the tide is turning ever so slightly and that more of us are questioning and demanding a better way. I love your suggestions for how to get involved and help. You ideas are things that we can and should be doing. Voted way up and sharing.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Thanks for your interest GF....There are so many many different opinions on the DP....and I will grant you that each one has it's valid argument.

The enormous legal minds of our country need to lock themselves up in a room for however long it takes to come back out with a rational, moral and less expensive way to punish the worst of the worst of Society. In my opinion, those would be ANY HUMAN ADULT WHO COMMITS A HEINOUS CRIME AGAINST A CHILD. Focus on what we must do with them and work our way down.....


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bravewarrior 2 years ago from Central Florida

I hear ya, my friend. I was torn about the death penalty, but you make a good argument. Not only that, how long does it take to prove someone was wrongly imprisoned? History has shown that it takes a wrongful death to realize a mistake has been made. And there's no undoing that.

Let the criminals suffer and give time to prove the innocent have been wrongfully incarcerated. The only way that can happen is get rid of the death penalty. After all, in the end God will determine who deserves a spot in His Kingdom. It's not up to us.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Sha.....The only better way for executions, is no executions. Life in prison (hard time) in a maximum security prison with the barest of essentials...and without possibility of parole, has always looked to me like a far worse punishment than being put to sleep.....

We don't suffer when we sleep.


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bravewarrior 2 years ago from Central Florida

Paula, not only have innocent people been executed but recently there have been several botched executions. There has to be a better way. Once someone has been wrongfully put to death, there's no going back. "Oops!" and "I'm sorry" don't cut it.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Lady G.....That is indeed a fact.....and a very sad one. The number of inmates that are referred to as "Prisoners"....should, by all rights, be "Patients." The System knows this. Just don't give a damn. The reality is it's an egregious attitude of "Throw-Away Humans".....


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

Yep. It is awful and some of those who are in prison should not be there but in a mental institution.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

That's mind-boggling! I see I need to catch up on my research. That would be Nation-wide, I assume? I'm all wrapped up in New York State facts and statistics.....which are pretty bad. Then I think about States like "Texas, the Killing State"....so, I need to believe your research.

Thanks for the correction. (even though we should be ashamed of such numbers in our Country) There's no wonder that the Innocence Project has a case load to choke an elephant!


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

"90% quite realistically, Lady G. is well beyond the actual facts" No those are the facts. They are right there in one of the hubs with the links there. That was not "HIS" reports, but what I dug up on the internet.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Paradise......Thank you so much for your very thoughtful comment. The "appeals process" is slow and difficult. It becomes a frustrating and lengthy situation, in most cases. Once convicted by a Jury, the courts, in particular the Prosecutor are extremely unlikely to cooperate.

You are the norm. More than 75% of the general public is not aware of the the hard core facts of our Judicial System. Certainly the egregious Flaws are not publicized.

(I am also from Upstate NY)


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Paradise7 2 years ago from Upstate New York

I always thought that capital punishment was reserved for the most vile, horrible crimes; the Ted Bundys, the Sons of Sam, and that someone who was seventeen and a first offender at the time would not be executed for an alleged robbery gone wrong. Nor would someone who allegedly killed a drug dealer. In New York, they'd give that person a medal, instead.

No only am I surprised at the nature of the crimes, I'm surprised at the flimsy and false evidence used to convict the innocent person to begin with. One would think, with the extensive appeals process, that justice would be done and the innocent person vindicated, long before it came to execution! Not so, I see, and it makes me sad.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Lady G. It has to be very interesting as well as emotional to take on the project you are working on. I will be so eager to read your finished piece if you intend to share it.

While I'm sure the subject of your memoir is relating his opinions and feelings to you.....I hope you are weighing his information with the awareness of his position. 90% quite realistically, Lady G. is well beyond the actual facts. However, there is little doubt that a good 30% are where they absolutely should not be.

As for the job security.....I think we would have to back up at least 7 or levels....to the State & Federal bank rolls....construction, maintenance, medical and food supplies.Utility companies....I've only scratched the surface.

Bottom line.......It's simply mind-boggling.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Audrey....Thank you. "Amen" says it all.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Jo

I do appreciate your thoughtful response. Thank you so much for taking the time to read my hub. I have read your story as you may have seen my comments and my heart is with you and your entire family. Such a tragic and sad situation............Peace, Paula


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

I am writing the memoirs of a person in prison. He also speaks out against the death penalty. I also have much information in his articles and the most shocking one is that in one study is it about 90% who are on death row are Innocent. 90%!!! He also goes to tell that some of those who are in prison do not deserve to be three at all. He also states what a prison guard told him and I am finding it to be more true than false now, that they are there for the guards job security. Appalling!!! Thanks for this article too.


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AudreyHowitt 2 years ago from California

All I can say is Amen!


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Jo_Goldsmith11 2 years ago

A real thought provoking article here. I agree with so many of your points you have clearly detailed here. Coming from perspective of personally knowing a murder. My heart has since changed on the persons fate being that he is executed. God says it is a sin to murder.

So, when we *murder* those who are guilty it is more horrific for those who are innocent. Awesome writing. Thank you for sharing with us.

Up, shared & tweeted.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Hi Brie....Nice of you to stop by. It is not uncommon for people to fluctuate in their views where the D.P is concerned. I have as well. In fact, there are actually seriously egregious & unforgivable crimes (against children) where...if 100% scientific evidence is present.....I would personally pull the switch.

However, for the most part, and in general, as long as humans possess human nature ....They cannot convince me we have a right to take a life......Peace, Paula


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Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan

I used to be for the death penalty and in theory I am for it. It think if someone takes a life they should pay with their own life. However, you are correct in saying that our system is unjust and therefore I cannot support the death penalty in the current system. Very good article.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

savvy......For certain.....I too, cannot begin to imagine having my entire life taken from me for a crime I had nothing to do with. That has to qualify as the highest level of pure & genuine despair and frustration known to man.

Thank you for stopping by. Always appreciate your input.


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savvydating 2 years ago

A very interesting article, fpherj48. Being executed our even serving a life sentence for a crime one did not commit is something so horrific that, personally, I don't even know that I could bear it. I would think the despair of being in prison, in and of itself, could kill a person's spirit altogether. You've offerred some positive ways to possibly reverse this situation. Voting up & useful.


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Billrrrr 2 years ago from Cape Cod

I am happy to have discovered your work and will be checking in frequently. Thanks.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

I am humbled by your generous compliments. Thank you. Please stop by my site anytime. I am equally impressed with your great work, bill.


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Billrrrr 2 years ago from Cape Cod

I just discovered this hub fpherj48 after discussing with Lethal Injection with you (in print).

Your work is forceful and excellent. Your propositions are set forth so smoothly that it is hard to disagree and I shall not.

You mention that people on both sides of the issue have been pushing for a moratorium. Until the system is a lot less flawed than it is now; I have to agree with that stand.

I would favor not using the ultimate punishment, unless and until the 'system' is vastly improved.

Thanks for such superior writing.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

It can be very difficult living in this continual moral decay we find ourselves in the midst of in 2014. However, we cannot be a part of the poor-decision-making, in terms of retribution, is my belief.

If they could CLEAN UP and straighten out our Justice system, I might reconsider. That "IF" has a snowball's chance in hell.

Bless your heart, Graham. Thanks for the visit!


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old albion 2 years ago from Lancashire. England.

Hi fpherj48. Another first class presentation. I am for the death penalty myself. I read with horror however of these travesties. We do not have the death penalty here in the uk though there is a considerable body of opinion wanting it to be reintroduced.

Graham.


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Marlene &

Deborah

Hello Ladies....thank you for visiting. Always good to see a fellow hubber and learn their viewpoints and opinions. I appreciate your input.

Marlene, the "actual" number of innocents having been executed would bowl you over. And that number is nothing when compared to the current, outrageous number of wrongfully convicted, that The Innocence Project & similar groups, are continually hard-at-work to correct. The masses simply aren't aware of the hard core facts of our illustrious Justice System, behind the scenes. It is literally unforgivable.

Deborah.....For & Against isn't as crazy as you may think. There are justifications for both opinions and one person vacillating, is a regular occurrence.....and the reasons are many. The execution of innocent people should scare ALL of us, Deborah.

Wishing both of you, & yours....a Happy, Healthy New Year!


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Deborah Brooks 2 years ago from Brownsville,TX

Well I am for the death penalty but I am against it too.. crazy isn't it.. what scares me and you write about it killing innocent people.. which is happening,, which is terrible.. thank you for writing this and opening up people's eyes.. thank goodness DNA has come into play now. and it is helping with a lot of cases bit sometimes it is too late.

blessings to you

Debbie


lovedoctor926 2 years ago

I'm for the death penalty too. I'm with Sunshine, I didn't know there were that many innocent people executed. This is a very detailed and thorough hub. You raise many good points. Happy New Year!


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fpherj48 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Suzette

Learn Things

Alexsa

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My heart sings, receiving 4 anti-DP comments in a row. Once again I am reminded of the brilliant minds and outstanding individuals who write here.

Each one of you brings up a valid point and an excellent fact that cannot be ignored.....by those who can & WILL see.

Yes, I do know we're one of the only industrialized nations that still permits this. Shame on us.

Our Justice System is so egregiously broken. Quite honestly, 75% of Americans have little if any knowledge, or even awareness of this fact.

And as one of you stated......"Let something this horrendous happen to someone you know or love..." This is a common thread to many atrocities. We don't wake-up until we're FORCED to or throttled into reality.

I can truthfully tell you, there was a period of time that I totally regretted becoming so educated on this entire ugly topic. Really....there's a whole lot to be said about "Ignorance being bliss."

But when your eyes are opened and you can no longer be in denial, it is a painful experience. Bless you ladies! Peace and Happy New Year!!


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cclitgirl 2 years ago from Western NC

Cogent, well-written article and hub. Your points are sound and I wasn't for the death penalty before, but your research further solidifies my own conviction. Did you know we're one of the only industrialized nations in the world that still permits this? There are few others, but they're small countries - none with the economic power of the US. Thank you for sharing this.


alexsaez1983 2 years ago

To those who support the death penalty, all I can say is that if it were you or a loved one wrongfully convicted and facing execution, your views on the issue would change in a heartbeat. The fact that there are those who can't grasp this simple matter of perspective is beyond me.


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Learn Things Web 2 years ago from California

Great hub! I don't support the death penalty because it is so easy for innocent people to be convicted of crimes. I would feel like I had innocent blood on my hands if I did support it.


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suzettenaples 2 years ago from Taos, NM

This is a sad blight on our country's social and justice system. I am in favor of getting rid of the death penalty for all the reasons you state. You have to buy justice in this country, so the poor and the blacks are the ones who are sentenced to the death penalty. You never see a wealthy person on death row. They have the money to escape the death penalty. Well said and well written effer!


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

suzette......Sounds like you're well-informed and on the ball in terms of this controversial topic...

Bravo, Suzette....you're to be commended for your interest and being well-informed!

Looks like I can't tell you a thing you don't already know!!!! LOL


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

lisa......Nice of you to stop by to read my hub and offer a comment. However controversial this topic is, it is one of those things that must be brought to the attention of all.

There will always be those who refuse to hear the facts and see the reality of a grossly flawed Justice system......I'm pleased you re not one of them. Peace!


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Hello lovedoctor......Nice to see you and glad you stopped by. I'm going to take a reasonable guess that you meant to say, "felony murder".......should be punished to the highest degree possible.......

and because this is America, we all have freedom of choice.

Hopefully you understood that the "error" of our Justice system, that is the focus of my hub, is that it has sentenced innocent men to Death Row...to await execution. I'm sure you are not "excusing" our flawed System for those "times they have erred"

Certainly men found "guilty" in a fair and just trial (which is a huge gamble in our country) must be sentenced in proportion to the crime. I don't believe I suggested otherwise. I am in full favor of Life w/o the possibility of parole for murder. You are correct. This is a highly controversial subject....Peace, my friend


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Shea.....Thank you so much for sharing. I truly appreciate this.

Under the circumstances, with so many death row inmates being exonerated via DNA testing.......abolishing the DP should be a NO BRAINER for anyone who USES his brain.....unles of course, it gives someone a thrill to just wipe out any random life.....for a life.....?


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Tammy....1st of all...I thank you for sharing my hub. This is so nice of you.

According to the latest data on polling......the % of Americans AGAINST Capital Punsihment has surpassed the Proponents, for the first time in a long time. This shouldn't be surprising to any rational being. Since DNA has come into the picture and The Innocense Project is in full force, HUNDREDS of individuals on Death Row, have been EXONERATED. Sadly, far too many were found innocent......too late. They were executed for a crime they did not commit.

To not look these facts pointblblank in the TRUTH and come to terms with the egregiousness......is pure and simple ignorance. But there will always be those who demand blood for blood........(they are usually the "Christians," who under OTHER circumstances, will thump their Bible and Quote that "Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord."......Oops, they must forget that verse every now and then.)

You are absolutely correct when you say that there is punishment far worse than the DP......One cannot pay for his sins the hard and painful way if he's dead, now can he?


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suzettenaples 4 years ago from Taos, NM

Excellent hub! Why the death penalty was brought back in the U.S. is beyond men. It is wrong and no one has the right to decide who lives and who dies. Our justice system in the U.S. is far too corrupt for our country to have a death penalty. We have unscrupulous prosecutors, judges and juries who just want someone to pay for another's death, and sometimes exculpatory evidence is purposely kept out of a trial so a conviction can be made. Too many people's political careers depend on convictions and dealth penalties. Our country is disgraceful in this particular area. Look how many people have been wrongfully imprisoned and have been released now that we have DNA testing. Thank God, literally, that we have DNA testing today. Thank you for writing a very relevant and important article! Well done!


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Lisas-thoughts101 4 years ago from Northeast Texas

I have never been a proponent of the death penalty. I have always believed there was something inherently wrong with a body of people feeling they had the right to actually take someone's life. You made some very valid arguments and also gave some very good methods for actually doing something about it if someone wants to fight against this method of punishment. Great hub. I voted up and useful.


lovedoctor926 4 years ago

I am with Frank too. Definitely for the death penalty and not against it. Anyone who commits a felony should be punished to the highest degree possible. I'm sure that there have been cases where the justice system has erred with regards to the death penalty, but regardless a just penalty should be rendered to fit the crime. A well-presented hub on a controversial topic indeed.


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shea duane 4 years ago from new jersey

Great hub! very well done! glad you're on the side of right and good lol. sharing on facebook.


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tammyswallow 4 years ago from North Carolina

Very valid points against execution. I always thought it was ironic to kill someone for killing. The government does this to people as a deterrent to crime, but there is no way to determine who is truly guilty. There are other punishments worse than death that would deter crime and allow the government to keep its image that it is tough on crime. I am in agreement with your thoughts and you did a fabulous job presenting this issue.


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Well, Thank you too! I will try to remember to send you a link when these are published, since you are genuinely interested. Peace


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mio cid 4 years ago from Uruguay

I'll be on the lookout for those hubs. thanks, that would be very enlighting info.


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

mio...Your questions are superb. I can answer them, but quite honestly, it would be another entire HUB as opposed to a "comment".

So, consider yourself an inspiration to me to get busy on a Hub to respond to your curiosity. I'm sure there are numerous people who can ask these same questions....even from this country.

I have yet to put my hub together on the "cost comparison" between Capital Punishment and Life w/o Parole. Far too many Americans erroneously believe that the latter costs tax payers more. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I hope to get these hubs published before long....OK?


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mio cid 4 years ago from Uruguay

Not specifically related to this topic but it has always been a concern of mine two items related to the American justice system,which I don't fully understand,one is the fact that in the country where I'm from , there is almost no chance a person who hasn't committed a crime would find himself in jail,or having to defend himself against being suspect of having committed a crime and go to jail,because of how the justice system is designed.Another concern is the trial by jury where in theory it is great, but in reality it seems it lends itself for too many inocent people to go to jail and many guilty people to go free, again because of how the legal system is designed where , a person who has no knowledge of the laws or the legal system for example a construction worker or, a salesperson or what have you, I'm not being elitist here, but If I were to be in a jury I don't know enough about laws and legalities to determine someones guilt or innocence.


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

YES! and AMEN!! Jaye...if you are ever in a position of feeling you can allot any of your time and intelligence to a worthy cause....I encourage you to contact "Project Innocence." There are any number of ways that the average citizen can become involved in a helpful manner. They may also lead you to other groups created to support the issues we speak of.

You are so well-informed and able to convey the facts clearly & accurately. This is what it takes to bring light to the "blind." (MOST people form opinions based upon slanted views, misconceptions and wrong reasons)

I am grateful you have come to my hub and for your outstanding comments.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 4 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

JayeWisdom - absolutely correct so far as...well I agree with everything you've said, but coaxing a confused or otherwise traumatised person (arrested, interrogated, typically very poor and already destitute) into believing they've done something horrific - well, that's just common police procedure!

Fuck the boys in blue - they're trained to get confessions, and convictions, they don't care about this subjective thing called "justice" in a world ruled by individual's pride and ego over their value in the community!

WTF?

Justice?

Huh?


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JayeWisdom 4 years ago from Deep South, USA

I have to add something that didn't occur to me during my original "rant", which is that even some "confessions" by defendants can't be considered absolute truth without that overwhelming physical evidence I mentioned because there have been confessions coerced out of scared people, some of them kids or mentally retarded, by the "...police and prosecutorial misconduct...." you mentioned in your hub.

Okay...I'm finished this time!


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JayeWisdom 4 years ago from Deep South, USA

I am vehemently against the death penalty. Our criminal justice system in the U.S. is so flawed there is no way to know for certain that a convicted person is truly guilty unless the physical evidence is incredibly overwhelming. If there's the slightest chance a person might be convicted who is innocent (as has happened far too often), it is morally wrong to take that person's life. It's murder by the state, pure and simple. In fact, I believe it's morally wrong, period.

The very same people who scream to the skies against abortions for any reason whatsoever haven't the slightest compunction about killing an adult human. The hypocrisy of this stance amazes me, though it shouldn't. This group tends to lean heavily toward hypocrisy on many issues!

The fate of every defendant in a criminal trial is decided by a jury of twelve ordinary people COMPLETELY UNTRAINED to perform that job properly--never mind the judge's brief statement to them that many don't even understand--and we've seen the results of that during the past decade, haven't we?

The wealthy who commit murder and other heinous crimes can afford the best (read: the best at snowing the jury) defense attorneys and get away scott free with their crimes. The poor, on the other hand, get a court-appointed lawyer with little experience to handle their case....This is JUSTICE? Give me a break!

I believe the worst crimes call for a sentence of life without the possibility of parole in a prison without any "perks" for prisoners such as those found in the so-called white-collar-crime "Club Meds." Spending all of one's remaining life behind bars in a small cell with no possible chance of ever being free again seems to me adequate punishment.

The National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty (NCADP) shoots down all the popular arguments for capital punishment. It's obviously not a deterrent since the states that use it have the highest murder rates in the U.S., and compared with European countries that don't have the death penalty, the national U.S. murder rate is higher.

It doesn't bring closure to victims' families because years of appeals simply draw out their misery. The death penalty is applied in an arbitrary manner in only 1% of homicide crimes, which means the whole thing usually rests on a DA who is trying to get publicity for political reasons.

So, who's kidding who? (Or, should that be "whom?") Capital punishment doesn't do what its proponents insist it will do, and may murder innocent people when juries don't know what they're doing, which is most of the time.

I rest my case.

Thanks, fpherj, for a "mighty" hub, and I'm looking forward to the one about comparable expenses.


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Gracias, amigo mio....I firmly believe that LIFE W/O THE POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE is the best alternative to Capital Punishment.

The serious issue with innocents being found guilty and incarcerated is a fight that must be fought, the harder and louder, the better. The sickest part of this is that it is far more prevalent than the public is aware. Project Innocense is just one advocacy group in the hundreds needed.


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mio cid 4 years ago from Uruguay

My honest opinion on the death penalty is that it should not exist, it has been proven many times that people have been in jail for years and then it's been discovered they were innocent, I'm sure people who were innocent have been executed . The state should not be an assassin, or a murderer, the state should embody the best of society not the worst.Don't get me wrong I'm not a bleeding heart in this case, and I have no sympathy for people who have committed horrendous crimes, and if right on the spot let's say a father kills a criminal that is harming his daughter, that's fine with me.But the state coldbloodedly killing a person who may or may not be guilty, is simply unacceptable.and the risk always exists of an unrepairable mistake.


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Thank you so much billy. There are some things I'm fairly staunch on....but my nature is to try to be open to alternative possibilities.

After numerous trips to Albany, I switched my primary efforts from Ny'ers Against the Death Penalty to The Innocence Project for the wrongfully convicted. At this moment, am shoulder-deep in the JonAdrian Valasquez case. As egregious as the Marty Tankleff case was, THIS one could easily cause me to stroke out.

Restrained passion? Obviously you're not referring to my comment to "Audrey." Ain't nuthin "restrained" about a Mother/Grandmother's form of JUSTICE, trust me.


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billybuc 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

I've been meaning to read this for over a week but just got around to it. Mea culpa, Mea culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa! As usual an excellent hub and I will forever love the restrained passion you bring to your writing. A very organized, logical approach to an issue that is an embarrassment to our nation. Great job my dear!


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AudreyHowitt 4 years ago from California

This is a well though out hub--most of my legal work has been in civil not criminal law, but I actually believe that our criminal justice system is so broken at this point that its most final outcome--that of capital punishment--is also flawed. The whole system is flawed.

I also have moral issues with regard to the issue. I know that is is an issue that people feel strongly about--on both sides of the issue--it took guts to put this write up which means that you too feel strongly--my hat is off to you!


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Wes, Hello there, friend. Nothing would please me more than to argue with "bleak outlooks and pessimism," but I am, after all, a realist. In fact, I must agree with every word you wrote, like it or not. Thank you for stopping by.

Cagsil....Whether your comment "goes over well" or not, is really not an issue to me. Obviously, my commentary does not go over well with proponents and I'm quite aware of this. I will not comment further, without having read your 2 hubs addressing a "NEW APPLICATION," for Capital Punishment.(?) It is unfortunate you feel particular beliefs can be reduced to mere distortion tactics, but, as you state, this world we live in is not civilized. And as lack of civility goes, it rejects all reason, responsibility and humanity. I fully comprehend this. I am curious as to whether you have taken your application changes to the powers that be...for their consideration, or if you are satisfied with merely having words with those who make, as you refer to them, "bold claims?" Your opinion has been well-stated and well-taken with due respect. Thank you, Sir.


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Cagsil 4 years ago from USA or America

Well, I guess my comment isn't going to go over very well, considering the method in which is hub was written. I am for the continued use of the Death Penalty/Capital Punishment, however, having said that I do agree that the application MUST BE changed. I have written two separate hubs addressing a new application for the Death Penalty/Capital Punishment.

Many people who make the statements that it has never deterred crime, is only blowing distortion more than anything else. As for those who are innocent? to be executed? Wouldn't happen if the application was changed and applied properly.

The biggest obstacle is the justice system and it's appeal process, which would need to be fixed either way. However, with my suggestion and application, there would be a huge difference. You did a good job on the hub, but as it seems like you're calling for an "end" to it? That's impossible, regardless of whatever reasons. The world we live in isn't civilized, and I'll have words with anyone who makes the bold claim it is civilized.

On top of that- the poster you have as one of your pictures? Why do we kill people, who kill people, just to prove that killing is wrong? Is yet another distortion tactic. If the application of the death penalty was applied as I suggested in both my hubs, then it wouldn't be an issue.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 4 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

In the end I doubt much will change, but rather, get worse.

Banks and money supplies are monopolized as is the media - from there, the public, mostly stupid - is manipulated towards whatever end folks on top of the pyramid wish.

What is being taught with the death penalty is that human life is nothing to the state, and that disobeying the state is punishable by death, and that even were you innocent....doesn't matter, the state is just that far above the individual.

Sorry for bleak outlooks and pessimism....I just watched a video of some Mexicans being beheaded for theft from the Sinaloa drug cartel...who our US government launders money from.

The drug war is a war on the American people, and always was - it exists to strengthen the profits of stock holders in the prison industrial complex, and also helps to adjust the public to the idea of state power, and the ever present, increasingly violent, ever the more militarized police departments....and not to mention (sorry, just did) the surveillance state, and the dehumanizing lack of privacy we now enjoy.


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Melvoy....thank you for referring me to the Stanford University Prison Experiment. I will definitely look this up and read it. I appreciate your input.


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Melovy 4 years ago from UK

Interesting, as you say there are many views on this. Mine is that if someone doesn’t feel remorse it’s because they are either mentally ill or else the remorse is buried beneath anger and fear. I don’t really believe people are evil, so much as circumstances. Have you ever read about the Stanford University prison experiment? I think you’d find it very interesting if you haven't.

Your experience with the exonerees sounds astounding, and I think you are doing a great service.


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fpherj48 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Melovy...I so appreciate your visit all the way from the UK! Playing devil's advocate, I would say, what we hear is that the DP is not meant to be "a teaching moment.." rather a way to rid the world of evil-doers. and also that it is believed these "slimy creatures" have no conscience...thus no remorse. Of course there are so many views of this one issue, it's quite never-ending. I must tell you, one of the most profound experiences in my life was sitting face to face with exonerees and listening spell-bound to their horrific tales of the unforgiveable miscarriage of justice they were dealt.


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Melovy 4 years ago from UK

This is an excellent, and clearly well researched hub. I am very glad that in the UK we have not had the death penalty for many, many years as I totally agree with you. In my view it is never justified. Just as you cannot teach a child it’s wrong to hit by hitting, neither can you teach that it’s wrong to kill by killing. No murderer gets away with it, even if they aren’t caught - they have to live with what they have done all their lives.

Voted up.


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fpherj48 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Excellent question, Rock_nj.....and I'm afraid the "kind of society" we are, is becoming more and more clear.....and I say that with sadness. Thank you for stopping by and for your intelligent comment. It's good to know there really are some "thinkers" left amongst us.


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Rock_nj 5 years ago from New Jersey

Amazing how so many Americans don't think the government can do anything right, but they are okay with putting their trust in government to carry out the death penalty correctly. I can feel people's desire for retribution against criminals that kill, but the government has proven over and over again that they are not capable of carrying out the death penalty in a manner that is consistent with fairness and decency, so therefore I say no to the death penalty. Anyone who doesn't think there are innocent people in jail and on death row (even though it has been proven many times over that there are) is fooling themselves. What kind of society are we if we know the government makes mistakes putting people on death row, but we go ahead and kill them anyway?


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fpherj48 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Sharyn...(love the new picture!) "Mixed emotions," is a term heard everywhere when this topic is discussed. It is also understandable how people feel this way.....which basically is the result of viewing the DP in and of itself. As I have said, unless and until we get seriously into picking the system apart to expose the numerous malfunctions and familiarize ourselves with the hard core facts...we have nothing of substance to base a firm choice upon. Always good to hear from you, Sharyn. Your comments are appreciated.


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Sharyn's Slant 5 years ago from Northeast Ohio USA

Well written Paula! I definitely have mixed emotions on this topic. I worked with someone who murdered another co-worker years ago. He (eventually) plead guilty and is serving life in prison. When I think about it, it kind of makes me sick that he is being "taken care of." Yet on the other hand, the points you make about those who are wrongfully convicted makes me sick too. I seriously could never work for our justice system.

Sharyn


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fpherj48 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

zzron...thank you for your in-put. I always appreciate the value of my fellow-hubbers opinions. This is a highly controversial topic and one that can be discussed ad-infinitum. Please visit anytime.


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zzron 5 years ago from Houston, TX.

Great topic and I have to say that I do agree with you to some degree. I have always been a supporter of the death penalty if it is appropriate with the crime committed. I do agree with everything you said about the death penalty given to someone who is innocent. That is definitely unfortunate.

Our justice system is not the best, but it is the only one we have. I believe in the system we have as far as a jury by our peers. It is left to the jury to decide on the evidence presented, whether they feel the person on trial is guilty or not, and worthy of the death penalty are not.

Some heinous crimes I believe in my opinion do warrant the death penalty in certain cases. I am a Christian and I do believe what the Bible says that mentions " An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth".


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fpherj48 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

alexsaez....Thank you for your contribution. I appreciate all opinions & comments. The 2 Religious groups you once practised are pretty heavy-duty CHRISTIAN establishments. Strangely, "the eye for an eye" verse in the bible has been totally mis-interpreted, mis-understood and erroneously explained from most pulpits (as church leaders will do in their own style) Great Theologians from every corner of the world who have disected and studied this famous History book, have made it crystal clear that this statement has nothing at all to do with man punishing man. Nonetheless, as I have learned, the objection to the DP can be fully, logically, morally and justifiably made without ever bringing religion and/or the Bible into the discussion. As for your last statement...it is true..if there are 10 individuals being accused of an egregious crime, with only one that cannot be proven beyond all doubt of being guilty....CAN we say, "Oh well, so what...we'll kill them all anyway??" Shall we smile and embrace the "collateral damage" theory?


alexsaez1983 5 years ago

Actually, it's funny you guys bring up the Bible. I used to be religious (Baptist, then Seventh Day Adventist) and the vast majority of my peers opposed the death penalty. Their stance was that Jesus eliminated the eye for an eye mentality. As far as the "risk" of letting a murderer go and escape the death penalty, they say "better to let ten guilty walk than let one innocent suffer."


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fpherj48 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Carolyn....Yes, sadly, Texas IS the Killing State and I'm afraid that the voters bring this on themselves with Governors like George W. and "Perry, the Delusional." I appreciate your Biblical stance and at the same time, I am baffled by how "THE BIBLE-BELT-CHRISTIANS" are so comfortable with Capital Punishment. The case against the DP can be made even without the "religion" aspect....with basic humanitarian rationale. Thank you so much for visiting. Stop by anytime.


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carolyn a. ridge 5 years ago

I am NOT PROUD to say that Texas is the number one state for executions. I don't agree with the death penalty -- regardless! The BIBLE says: " Thou shalt not kill. " It did not provide any specifications or conditions because it's GOD's word. Great hub. You did your research!


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fpherj48 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Cogerson, The truth is, there is one SURE thing about the DP...and that is, it is not uncommon for people to vacillate from FOR to AGAINST to (like you) "unsure," & back again, several times in a lifetime. The cause behind this is fairly obvious. There are so many degrees of crime, so many varying circumstances. Most of all, emotions play a huge part. My stance has less to do with the perps (criminals) than it does with the SERIOUS flaws in our justice system. The average person simply is not privy to the egregious games that are played, the political pressures and the gross misconduct that is rampant in our legal community. It is not realistic to believe this will ever change....humans will always be human. This being said, there is only ONE certain way to guard against executing innocent individuals. For me, personally, justice can be met with a LIFE sentence w/o the possibility of parole. Thanks for your input.


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Cogerson 5 years ago from Virginia

Excellent piece on the death penalty. I would say that before reading this hub...I was lukewarm on the death penalty...in other words I did not have a strong opinion one way or another. But after reading all of your examples of the wrong people getting executed I think I am now in the group that opposes the death penalty. Thanks for publishing such a persuasive hub...job well done. Voted up and interesting.


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fpherj48 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Speaking of "embarrassed,"....It took your hub on the Hudson Valley area to educate me on my Dad's birth place! Shame on me and THANK YOU! I just now read it and thoroughly enjoyed the education. Look forward to your visits.


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tillsontitan 5 years ago from New York

You make outstanding points and have done far more research than I, which embarrasses me. I will certainly visit again, and again!


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fpherj48 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

tillsontitan....For the record, I was PRO DP at one time as well.....and my shift was slow to come. Now at full circle, my reasons are numerous. More importantly was the "journey" to where I am today. A firendship and business relationship with David Kaczyski (yes, brother of the Uni-bomber) involvement with New Yorkers Against the Death Penalty, with my husband and I as WNY Organizers....researching, interviews, visits to Albany with State Legislators....and most profoundly, personally meeting and speaking with numerous exonorees, whose lives were stolen and destroyed irreparably...along with that of entire families. Last but surely not least, an extensive, hard & true look into our Justice System, the egregious miscarriage that is ignored and the blatant immoral and unforgivable misconduct....(law enforcement & D.A.'s) and the absence of proper defense counsel for the poor.

What you state in terms of DNA is noted, however, this in itself, in no way assures the killing of innocents can or will be avoided altogether. I thank you very much for your comment and the compliment. Please visit again.


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tillsontitan 5 years ago from New York

I was always for the death penalty for violent crimes but on the condition there is positive proof and more than one witness. As someone else said now, with DNA the killing of innocents should be avoided. Your article is excellent and very well written. Voted up, awesome and interesting. You did a great job!


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fpherj48 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Dexter...It is my firm belief that it's only a matter of time.........less time, if a personal experience with our seriously flawed justice system may arise. Everyone loves a bright, sunny day. When the sun goes down, it gets a bit dark and cold.


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Dexter Yarbrough 5 years ago from United States

Hi Fpherj48! You have done an exceptional job in unmasking a portion of the criminal justice system that has left "justice" out of the equation.

For many years I was pro death penalty. However, after seeing the corruption when it comes to providing a "fair" trial, my mind has changed drastically.

Thanks for doing the research and providing your thoughts and opinions. Hopefully more people will catch on!


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fpherj48 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

mjfarns....I thank you for the sweet compliment....and your vote. Stop by anytime.

pedrn44...nice of you to stop by and comment. It is a sad statement we make as a "civilized society."

Frank Antancio..I am flattered that you loved reading my hub. That's a curious statement you make, to say the least. You are a staunch supporter of the DP, yet admit, "it's NOT working....and that the legal system is blind and too fat"....hmmmm? Yes, this surely is a good topic for group discussion and more people should do just that. You're 1000% FOR? Frank, have you ever been Governor of Texas?? lol


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fpherj48 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Sunshine, the four mentioned in my hub are only a few of many more. What's so wonderful about living in America is that each of us can freely & openly express our views & respect one another's opinions. Additionally, what comforts me is that I know with 100% certainty, that were your child wrongfully convicted and sitting on death row, your stance would change in less than a heart beat, so I can always calmly accept the comments of DP proponents. Thank you for your input. The Green Mile IS an excellent film. I like Tom Hanks in anything he does. Bout time I wrote something, eh??


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Frank Atanacio 5 years ago from Shelton

I actually loved reading this Hub.. and I am all for the Death Penalty 1000% percent.. but its not working.. because of the system.. and the legal system is blind and too fat.. I could go forever.. but nevertheless a perfect discussion hub here


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pedrn44 5 years ago from New Berlin Wisconsin

very well written hub! I think that once DNA evidence became available those wrongfully accused could now be proven innocent and released from prison. It came too late for those innocent people already executed. It is truly awful when an innocent person serves time in prison let alone gets executed for that crime he or she did not commit.


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mjfarns 5 years ago from Bloomington, Illinois USA

Although it's helpful that I agree with your main point, this is written so well that if I didn't agree with you, I'd still vote this hub "up". Good job!


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Sunshine625 5 years ago from Orlando, FL

I didn't know so many innocent people were executed or I probably did but forgot! I am still for the death penalty and not against it. I appreciate all the research you did for this hub! Now I have to watch The Green Mile! I've seen it countless times and still love it! Voted UP/Awesome and sharing!


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fpherj48 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

alexsaez1983....I intend to publish another hub in the near future, regarding the D.P vs. Life w/o parole, in terms of cost, civility, prison conditions and safety net against wrongful executions. I thank you for your comment and support. My concern at the moment is to delete Perry from the GOP nomination race. The very LAST thing we need is another blood thirsty mongrol from the killing State of Texas. The man froths at the mouth at the sight of the death chamber. Something very frightening about a man like that.


alexsaez1983 5 years ago

Excellent hub. I'm Canadian, and I strongly oppose the death penalty. It's not a deterrent, it's more expensive than keeping a person in prison for life (due to all the appeals, legal proceedings, etc. that are mandatory), and of course there's the issue of killing innocents. The U.S. justice system favors punishment over rehabilitation. How long will all those right-wing rednecks wait until their two brain cells finally come to their senses?

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