The Source of Confusion

Emotional Limitations

Keeping your mind from being confused
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Sorting out Facts from Fiction

I have learned to enjoy HubPages quite a bit since I started reading more of them.

On reflection I see a very interesting community of a special blend of thinkers and writers, providing a kind of over view to a cultural mosaic in a state of confusion ... the person i have found to have done the best job of explaining how he actually managed to bring his own state of confusion to a happy end is David Bowman.

You have to admire a person for not only doing all that work for and with his own mind - not really that much help from others besides what he discovered from literary sources - to gain a clearer understanding of what reality is all about and then write such a nice hub about all the things he had to sort out for himself to become free of all the institutional burden of irrationality religion puts on so many who are caught up and still being confused by it.

His outstanding hub is called "How I Became An Atheist"

Another very positive contributor with some great hubs dedicated to the task of debunking confused minds is Emma - she makes her points, in my opinion, very well and quite clear in her hub "The Bible: A Solid Foundation for Atheistic Belief"

As mentioned on a previous occasion, I quite like the hub "Knowledge evolution facts and fictions" by Tony MacGregor

There are quite a few great writers here on HubPages who can point to the fact that it can only do the world a lot of good to give more religiously confused minds the mental and emotional strength to follow David Bowman and many others in their path towards a more realistic and less confused world view.


What's Oprah actually saying?

Can Oprah help people to learn how to think a bit more for themselves?
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The larger issue ...

As if the unreal situation any form of religion creates in peoples minds who do not want to learn to think critically for themselves to grasp their unfortunate predicament ... as if this was not enough of a problem which should be urgently resolved, many instead argue with followers of other denominations over who is write and who is not, as if Mormons were on the right path but not the Legion of Christ, the Roman Catholic congregation established in 1941 within the Catholic Church in Mexico and directed until 2004 by the disgraced Marcial Maciel.

When you read some of the hub pages here, you will see how many bible brains are even taken issue with Oprah Winfrey since she no longer follows the mantra ... "Mr. J all the way!"

The national problem of too many confused minds

The much more dangerous problem comes with the fact, if a larg number in a population lack the basic educational, intellectual or simply the mental and emotional qualities to elevate their critical understanding, the whole nation will be led down the garden path politically and economically ... here are two videos to stimulate the discussion further ... and just maybe it will act as a trigger in a few deserving minds ... :)

Who Really Controls America

In god we trust?

How much longer will these unfortunate religious pin heads put their trust into their irrational ideas which are purely based on mythology, fiction and disinformation?

Maybe this hub will serve as a basic introduction to Critical Thinking 101 .... to advance past the basics please review the suggested reading list below ... and don't forget to do the exit poll ... and please review my other hubs:

  1. Coping with Reality
  2. Analysis of Thought
  3. it's not a poem


Economic Reality

Is religion a confusing factor in your life?

Does nature form the basis of life on earth?

  • Yes, all forms of life are a product of nature
  • No, human religions form the basis
  • I'm not sure about any of it ...
  • I have some questions/comments and will post them
See results without voting

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Public education and social health care? Much better to let the military wast it!
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f_hruz 22 months ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Thanks!

What really interests me about how some people use their mental capacity. Why do you think so many very seldom reach the point of discovering the value of applying a bit more intelligence to get past their emotionally dominated view of their existence?

Franto in Toronto

Skype franto.hruz


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south

this is a great hub. I also enjoyed the George Carlin video. Not too many like him left today. Although i do like the comedy of Anthony Jeselnik - he is almost as crass as Carlin was.


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south

This a great hub. And i love how G. Carlin tells it like it is. There is no one like him left in comedy.

Although i do like Anthony Jeselnik. He is as ballsy as Carlin was.


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f_hruz 4 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

I found the following video very interesting because it is addressing a whole list of current questions confusing a lot of people, from what was really behind 9/11, to who are the major players behind US foreign and domestic policy ... take a look and post an educated comment!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...


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f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

You are very kind and caring ... you see things your way and are comfortable with it, but you must know there are degrees of objectivity as there are levels of understanding. Some ideas open doors to really progressive thoughts of freedom from manipulation and dogma, while others make you follow the herd ... be part of my flock but don't follow the herd if you will - lol

Well, sure there is politics in everything ... scientific research is often paid for!

I simply have no use for any gods and find religiosity just as mind polluting as nationalism and consumerism.

I'm still interested in what you have to say and will take a look at the site you suggested ... you may enjoy reading a comment I just posted to a hub called Top Ten Atheist Inconsistencies' Examined ...

Living in the real world free from any super natural BS is to me part of a bond I have with nature which any talk of gods only undermines ... if you know what I'm getting at?


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Storytellersrus 5 years ago from Stepping past clutter

Reflecting on your criticism, I should have written, "Science is mythology. It is the myth of the current age, our way of explaining what we see and experience. What we label mythology was considered accepted science to historic world views. Someday, humanity will dismiss our scientific point of view in similar fashion!"

I was referring to the art of science- which is not an exact art, of course. If it were, there would be no exceptions; all would result in the same same same conclusion over and over 100%. There are so many exceptions and exceptions to exceptions. You are right, my small brain cannot comprehend this. And what is considered an unbiased scientific study is often tainted because the observer has a point of view, i.e., the observer cannot free him/herself from wishing to prove the point or not wishing to prove the point. Objectivity is subjective.

I did not mean to digress. Consider this... How does an article like Conscious Water Crystals The Power of Prayer Made Visible found at this link http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/aug1/conscious... fit inside your structure? I find it pretty compelling and scientific.

Yes, I am a simple storyteller and therefore not at your intellectual level. But I feel in good company believing in God, considering Einstein did and so does my uncle, former head of a prestigious physics lab in Palo Alto.

I read an undercurrent of politics in your above comment, was I mistaken? I am as far from that type of religiosity as the color black is from a black hole. Maybe we can agree on that source of confusion.


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f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

I enjoy creating structures so I can see where my ideas fit in and where they don't ... when we speak about reality and what is real, it may help to first define various levels of reality. In broad terms, I do see an objective reality, followed by a specific reality of scientific facts which may or may not be part of a more educated persons individual reality. Then comes ones subjective reality which again can include all kinds of unreal things if a person wants to make any thing at all part of their own reality ... much of what some people wish to be real is far from it. Let it become a national belief held by many and the quality of that cultural environment becomes that much more deficient!

Every thing which takes place in our body are real processes. Bodily functions are again some thing which takes place at various levels of our consciences. Thinking a clear thought which tries to understand a real problem is still only a thought. Any object of art maybe a real thing, i.e. a painting BUT depicting a banana on canvas doesn't make the banana any more real than any dream you may have had, no matter how real it felt while you were dreaming it!

When you say, science is mythology, you obviously don't see the great difference between yourself as a storyteller ... lol and a person capable of highly structured thoughts, an understanding of complex relationships and the limitations of various forms of thought only well trained minds are able to apply correctly ... and even they have limits to their own understanding of reality ... but obviously at a much different level than you.

Art has many forms and many functions. Much of it has become highly commercialize and is now part of the manipulative process of advertising, sales and marketing - which reminds me ... you should have taken a closer look at the Just2BucksaMonth program! :)

When you say, our point of view, I really don't know who is meant by OUR and which VIEW you have in mind here!

I know that different parts of the world have different educational, political and social systems which either widen the application of critical thought and provide for an educated discussion or they don't ... which then gives equal value to anything you can see on TV and calls THAT reality! LOL

Even as simple stories go, some have never been nor ever will be true - at any stretch of the imagination .... :)


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Storytellersrus 5 years ago from Stepping past clutter

Now this confuses me. How is it that you are able to claim what occurs in the human mind is not real, i.e., all fabrication? Where do thoughts originate? Are firing brain synapses not products of nature? If lightning is a product of nature, isn't it consistent to say firing brain synapses mirror the same?

Science is mythology. It is the myth of the current age, our way of explaining what we see and experience. What we label mythology is in reality a compilation of historic world views. Someday, humanity will dismiss our point of view in similar fashion!

It is said that art mimics nature. What is your response?

I like believing in a universal Yahweh because I exist within a fascinating framework of nature and social psychology that leaves me wishing to thank some Creator for wonders I could never imagine.

Man's doings end with their noses.

Trees rise from tiny, tiny seeds to shade a dozing doe and her twin fawns. I walk past with my puppy, and the twins flick their ears and flee, while the lone doe stands ready to attack. She instinctively wishes to protect her babies. This is irrational, circular nature- no product of my mind, all confirmed by scientific observation.


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f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Thanks for your comments!

It's so nice to review an old hub with you and to add a few more thoughts to an idea you are still working on ... :)

What is ok to tolerate and what is not ... and why? Do all ideas have equal value, or are some clearly better than others? Which ideas only serve to confuse the less mentally/emotionally astute?

You most likely enjoy believing in some sort of god because of your cultural conditioning. The energy of life and the forces of nature can be overwhelming, I'm sure.

To sort things out in your own mind to the point where you see very clearly where man's doing ends and the power of nature takes over, is not always easy.

Gods have always existed in the irrational, super natural, mythological part of man for me. I let the arts deal with all that - that's where it belongs.

The sciences, especially natural science never had any use for irrational, super natural things ... nor should we mix up mental and emotional health, intellectual development and socio-cultural values with religious BS.

I like to talk a lot more about social and political psychology and forget about any terminology which opens the door to any form of religiosity, spirituality or superstition - the real world has no gods, spirits, etc.

What ever there is, it's either a product of nature or a fabrication of the human mind! ... :)

Franto in Toronto


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Storytellersrus 5 years ago from Stepping past clutter

hello ruz, i am not part of the choir to whom you preach, however, i do find your hub interesting! i believe there is a God because i have experienced God in my life, whether you call it a positive energy force or the first atom or intentional existence or whatever. i like believing in God, despite the attacks from atheists. but i also like atheists and agnostics and catholics and jews and muslims... anyone who struggles with the spiritual aspect of existence, which is the part of life i most appreciate. well, besides flowers and puppies and kids and even my husband on most days.

what i don't like is judgment and rigidity and that seems to exist whether i am reading works from atheists or religonists. i don't understand why there is this need to criticize or diminish others who happen to have achieved a different chakra of understanding. but there i am, right in the middle of all the confusion, judging what i don't understand, eh? lol. Have a nice day.


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f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Dear toknowinfo,

thanks for your comments. How come it looks to you like I am preaching to the chior? Are you part of it? If so, which tunes do you sing these days? :)

Franto in Toronto


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toknowinfo 5 years ago

You are a very intelligent guy, and I enjoyed reading this. The problem might be that you are preaching to the choir. Keep writing, I like the way you think. Rated up and awesome.


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f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

wilderness - I do share your point of view.

Would you like to add your comments to my last hub ...

http://hubpages.com/politics/Hade-enough-by-now


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wilderness 5 years ago from Boise, Idaho

I find that, in America at least, critical and reasoned thinking is on the decline. Very few are able and willing to put the effort into it when there are so many other opinions that one may take as fact.

It is a real shame and will one day cause a major upheaval in our society or even destroy it. We are becoming a nation of willing slaves instead of the thinkers and "doers" that our ancestors were.


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f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

I like to think, it's never to late to discover how to put ones brain to work so it can examine the quality of ones mental activity a bit more objectively and reflect on it a bit more critically ... would that be a world revolution or what? :)


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msorensson 5 years ago

"The much more dangerous problem comes with the fact, if a larg number in a population lack the basic educational, intellectual or simply the mental and emotional qualities to elevate their critical understanding."

This is so true. Unfortunately, you have to teach critical thinking at a very early age...


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f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Well ok, de Greek, let's get started with over turning the Vatican as the first religious empire on the list, ... and once there is a momentum, it'll be easy to fix the rest ... :)


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De Greek 5 years ago from UK

Frankly,, your comment above is so pleasant to read, that it feels better than the Hub itself :-)))


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f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada Author

Yes, you may ... your comments and suggestions are always highly valued from my end here!

What do I really like to see taking place before my time is up? A cultural revolution to depose the Vatican and make the whole institution into a global body for the advancement of human reason and the removal of all three mind pollutants - nationalism, religion and commercialism so the value of real human culture may have a better chance to surface from among all the man made BS ... :)


scriber1 5 years ago

f_hruz......you know, you should tell us what you really think, and stop beating around the altar so much....:>) You seek an elevation of critical thinking. It is, and pardon me, devoutly to be wished -- and don't hold your breath. Thanks for your effort -- and may I recommend my hub Drawing A Line In The Sound.

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