Theory: The World's Oldest Language

My Theory

I believe that the world's oldest language is Hebrew, and I have many different reasons why I think so. I would like to stress at this point that this is primarily a theory. I have not done extensive research on the subject, and I don't pretend to know everything. I am simply sharing what I do know, and the reasons for why I think Hebrew is the oldest language.

First, Hebrew is one of the oldest languages still in use today. In fact it may be more widely used than all other ancient languages. Thus, it is an excellent candidate to be the world's oldest language.

My main point, however, is that the Hebrew language fits like a puzzle piece into the periodic table of elements, as well as Biblical theology, and not merely because the Old Testament is written in it. It is also one of the only languages that has such connections. Arabic shares a lot of these properties, although it is a very similar language. I will focus on Hebrew, however. There are three things that it relates to well--concepts of man and God, the Bible, and the periodic table of elements. I'll now cover each subject in detail.

The Hebrew words for man and God are very similar. The Hebrew word for God is Jehovah, or spelled more accurately, Yehovah. However, since Hebrew is an Abjad, vowels are often not written in, but are assumed. So, in Hebrew, God's name is really spelled YHVH. Notice the third letter, the Hebrew V, known as Wau or Vav. It is the seventh letter of the alphabet, so it is appropriate that God's name contains it. The third letter turns out to be very important. The Hebrew word for man, or also God's people, Judah or Yehuwdah, is spelled as YHWDH. The third letter is W, the sixth letter of the Hebrew alphabet.

In the Bible it is clear that seven is God's number, also the number of completion, and six is the number of man. Also notice that only one letter (aside from the added "D") differs between the words for God and man! That is how close we are - we are made in the very image of God, as Genesis 1:26 tells us. But why the difference? Do those letters have any other significance? As it turns out, they do.

Our physical bodies are composed mostly of what element? Carbon, which is the sixth element of the periodic table. How astounding! The Bible describes spirits as being like the wind (John 3:8). What element is 78% of earth's atmosphere made of? Nitrogen, which is the SEVENTH element of the periodic table! These numbers were not arbitrarily chosen by man upon their discovery. They were chosen by God who created them! He gave Nitrogen 7 protons and electrons and gave Carbon 6 protons and electrons. The only letters that differ in the words for God and man in Hebrew are the letters describing the very elements that comprise our existence!

It is important at this point to discuss the letters of the Hebrew alphabet. Someone may decide to glance at a Hebrew dictionary and claim "But wait! You're wrong. The sixth letter is V, and the seventh letter is Z. This doesn't make any sense." However, a more studied Hebrew scholar would know that V can actually represent two different letters. When a Dagesh, a small dot, is placed in the center of the letter V, it becomes quiescent and represents W instead. Anyone who can speak knows that the sounds V and W are different, thereby indicating that they are separate letters. They are shown as one letter in the Hebrew alphabet, because the Dagesh is used to distinguish them from one another. Now, to the matter of which comes first: it seems to be arbitrary. I've seen many sources that list it both ways - W first and then V, or V first. It would be logical to conclude that W must be first, since its being the sixth letter and V being the seventh letter has so much significance, and because the matter has not been thoroughly established. It simply makes more sense.

Maybe that was a long way around, but I think it gives excellent evidence that Hebrew is the world's first language. "Coincidences" like that don't just happen, they're intentional, they all have a purpose. Perhaps that purpose is to help us better understand our world.

Feel free to leave comments, but I would like to emphasize once again that this is only a THEORY. I have done research on this subject, but I am certain there are others who have done far more research than me. This is why I use the word theory. I am not the authority on this subject, nor do I pretend to be. Instead, I have an open mind to other views of which language is the oldest. I'm not trying to prove anything here; I'm simply providing evidence to support my theory. This evidence is not conclusive, and neither is my theory.

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Akshat Pandey 9 years ago

Der friend ,

according to me and the historical proofs , we all can say that SANSKRIT is the oldest language and the mother language for all the languages which we are speaking now a days.

the scripts were written in sanskrit thousands of years before the birth of writer of BIBLE.

if u have any comment feel free to communicate at

akspandey@gmail.com


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Rmnathan 9 years ago from Sharjah

You cannot prove Hebrew as the first language with the help of Bible. Hindu religious texts which were composed in Sanskrit are more ancient than Bible. You were trying to prove your theory with the help of alphabets. Alphabets originated much later than the spoken language. Therefor you cannot prove anything with alphabets.

However Sanskrit  also is not the oldest Language. If you can consider a dead language in this question, then the Languages spoken in Ancient Egypt, Sumeria, Babylonia etc. are more ancient than Sanskrit. Even in India there were lot of native languages prior to the aryan migration into India. sanskrit evolved in india after they entered India by about 1500 BC.


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Cybermouse 9 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

Indeed, you two are correct that Hebrew is not the oldest WRITTEN language. I was therefore wrong to say that the Bible was the oldest known writing. However, my argument still stands upon the fact that Hebrew is the OLDEST language, regardless of when a writing system was adopted for it. The letters and words of the language existed without the need for writing, which are characteristics that the oldest language would no doubt have. In addition, the basis of my argument relies more on the periodic table than anything, which was conceived by God and simply discovered by man. When the Bible came along, it simply explained the relationships between the elements, the Hebrew alphabet, and concepts of man and God (and how the numbers 6 and 7 relate throughout all of them). I would also venture to say that I can, in fact, use the Bible to support my argument, regardless of the fact that it was not the earliest written text. It doesn't matter what the earliest WRITTEN text is; as I said, my argument is that Hebrew is the OLDEST language, irrespective of when its writing system was added.

I do appreciate you sharing your own thoughts, and please feel free to post anything more you wish to say. I realize that my argument may not be correct, but to my current understanding, it is. Even if my theory is not correct, one thing I know for sure is that Hebrew is the oldest language still being used today, which is another reason it makes an excellent candidate for being the world's oldest language.


Sudesh Anand 9 years ago

The story of Ramayana first written by Balmiki goes back 1,800,000 years when Rama existed. The earth was populated by humans some 2 million years before when the language spoken was Sanskrit. Sanskrit is the mother of all languages. There was no sign or existence of western culture. To substantiate this evidence I ask anyone to unearth the city of Dwarka in India which submerged more than 10,000 years before from the great devastations of Tsunami.


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

Hmm, unearthing a city called Dwarka in India to prove that the oldest language is Sanskrit? I shall have to try that sometime. I wonder why no one else has done it yet, if it's such good evidence? Also I would be interested to know more about this Rama you mentioned. Anyhow, thanks for the comment.


vimalan munusamy 8 years ago

World oldest language is 1.SANSKRIT,2.TAMIL,3.KANNADA....this is fact as per history..


Dave Roberts 8 years ago

My friends,

We simply can never know what constituted the earliest language. History will not tell you because history is younger than language. There is growing evidence that the Neanderthals had language and certainly the earliest Homo Sapiens did as there is no other way that knowledge could have been communicated between individuals in such a manner as to launch the 'rise' of man to his present status. I doubt very much that this earliest language was Hebrew, Sanskrit or any other that we can decipher today. What HAS been established is that there are word roots for very fundamental objects and concepts which are common to many diverse languages today and which may constitute the last embers of evidence for an original universal verbal communication system. Language is much older as a human skill than any language we have today or can read today. It has no alliance to YHWH or any other 'gods' because the inventors of language, who may have lived a million years ago if he was a Neanderthal or hundreds of thousands of years ago if he was Homo Sapiens, did not know any of them!


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

vimalan, thanks for the comment

Dave Roberts, I must say that you are absolutely correct that there is no way to know for sure what the first language was. It is only my hypothesis that Hebrew was the first, and I should certainly say that Yahweh was very much "in alliance" with the language, as you put it, because I should think that the being that created the universe would, at the same time, design a method of communication among its inhabitants, whom he also created. Did He not design our lips and tongues and teeth, the very things that produce our speech? Is it not reasonable, then, to think that he also designed the first method for the intelligent decernment of differences in sounds and how they are combined, which is, in effect, the first language? It seems highly unlikely to me that man simply began speaking and eventually it evolved into some sort of intelligent communication. What does seem likely is that, outside of any sort of theology, the search for a first language may very well reach a dead end, because you've rejected the creator of the language, and therefore, the very existence of the language itself. Then, since no first language ever existed, it is a miracle that any of us are speaking today.


Dave Roberts 8 years ago

Cybermouse

All very interesting I am sure. But you assume that I agree that Yahweh created the Universe. Unfortunately I don't, and neither do I believe that Re-Atum or Amun or Baalzebub, Odin, Zeus or any other god did. You see, I am an Atheist and see all around me the evidence for evolution and language was a facet of evolution just like the fact of the shape of our bodies and the shapes of the bodies of other species. To an Atheist your argument, and accordingly your theory, are nonsensical as they are dependent upon a belief in a supernatural creator- being (and who created him or her by the way?) for whom there is no evidence.

But then this is a separate debate isn't it? One which I would be pleased to continue elsewhere. But with respect to language, it is becoming increasingly apparent via experiment that chimpanzees and possibly whales and dolphins too have rudimentary languages! Now why would Yahweh give a species a RUDIMENTARY language? If he felt a species needed to communicate verbally he would have provided a fully blown Language wouldn't he? Like he gave us Hebrew according to your theory. The chimpanzees language skills are EVOLVING, just like ours did aeons ago. Let us hope that we, and they, survive long enough as species for us to talk to each other sometime.


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

True enough, this is no longer a debate about language. I believe in a supreme being, and you do not, yet we are both humans living on the Earth. I will say that were I an atheist, I might be inclined to agree with you regarding the world's oldest language. That is, if I somehow thought that the universe coming into existence of its own accord made more sense than a supreme being creating the universe, regardless of the fact that we have no grounds to base any judgements of what beliefs are "nonsensical" as compared to others. The very fact that we exist could be considered nonsensical, yet we accept and live with this fact on a daily basis simply because it is the way things are. I would also agree with you that this isn't a good place for a debate, but I will leave you with one of my favorite quotes.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." -Phillip K. Dick


Dave Roberts 8 years ago

Exactly, and the Universe does not go away when you stop believing in gods. That is the reality.


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

Neither does the God I believe in cease to exist simply because I stop believing in Him. The fact that I cannot physically perceive Him makes no difference at all. If I were to look at another human being, I cannot physically perceive their internal organs, yet I know they exist because I see the proof that the person is living, therefore something must be keeping that person alive. Also, alternate dimensions have never been physically proven to exist, but research and statistics from many different fields of science all point to a high probability of there being higher dimensions that we as humans are not able to perceive. If you were blind, there is no way you could prove to yourself that anything exists based on sight, yet you would still know something is out there because you could hear it. I suppose you could choose to ignore what can't be seen and still say that nothing exists, but this would obviously be a narrow conclusion to jump to, given all the other evidence from your remaining senses. Similarly, all my senses give me evidence for God's existence in all the ingenious designs of things in this world, and I feel that I might as well be blind if I treat them as the result of chance. Air cannot be seen, yet if it did not exist, we would all be dead. In my experience, I have found that entities which cannot be seen are the most permanent and important parts of reality.


shadowwire 8 years ago

Let me start by saying, What is more likely, That God has existed for all eternity and came from nowhere; That God developed as we are and came to be as he is now; Or we are developing on our own in a universe that may someday contain (or perhaps does contain) powerfull beings who have evolved to that state; or the Universe has been around billions of years and we are alone, no god (gods) and will someday cease to exist without having ever known a portion of what realy exists.

I find the most plausible to be a state where there are a few living things in the universe, and no God. However, I know that there is a God, He created us in his own image and for his own perpose. He loves us and wants us to learn of him through faith in his son Jesus Christ.

There is annother dimension, Spirit. I can feel it. You can feel it. Enyone who realy wants to know what is true can feel it, and know for themselves that the things which Jesus taught are true.

Im not here to argue, but I hope that someone can read the things that I have written and try it out for themselves.

"For this is my work and my glory, to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man." Moses 1:39


Dave Roberts 8 years ago

Cybermouse and Shadowire,

Air CAN be seen. It can be seen when you breath out on a cold day because of the water it contains. It can be seen in the bubbles when you breath out under water. If it is cold enough it can turn into a liquid. But nothing we do can reveal the gods (or god) for examination. Ergo, there is no evidence for god. Any theory, whether of language or any other concept that depends on faith in a supernatural being for whom there is no evidence is conspicuous by its lack of foundation. It is like arguing for the origins of the patterns of flowers on the basis that we believe the fairies made them!

First...show me the fairies!

Look carefully at the history of the Universe. It began with simple elements, Hydrogen an Helium. These elements formed the earliest stars which had short lives but within which the heavier elements were made. These heavier elements made a second and third generation of stars which made everything of which WE are made. The history of the Universe is a story about the incremental increase in the complexity of matter over time, and by time I mean billions of years. This increased complexity of matter has resulted in LIFE, the most complex matter of all. We are not made of 'spirit' we are made of stardust. While I am an Atheist I am not militantly so. I do not seek to decry your faith in a god, that is a matter for you. All I ask is that you do not seek to answer questions concerning the origin of language or any other facet of the Universe via the employment of your faith....a view (and a faith) which not everybody shares.


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

Shadowwire, thanks for your comment, I appreciate it :)

Dave Roberts, thanks also for your comments. It has been quite an interesting discussion, and though it could no doubt continue, I don't think either of us would gain anything from it. You have your opinion and I have mine, and since you so graciously do not wish to decry my faith in God, neither will I try to whittle away at your beliefs. However, I feel that since my beliefs do lie with God, that I have the right to also believe that He created the first language. Whether or not you agree is your business, but my purpose in posting this hub was merely to offer my opinion as a possible suggestion. Outside of a faith in God, as you said, my theory makes no sense at all. I hope you'll then take it for what it is--a theory, and nothing more. Please feel free to post more comments about anything. I wish to value the opinions of others rather than cause arguments, so I apologize if I strayed from this path in anything I said to you. It is obvious that no act of mine can change your mind, and therefore I would prefer to be on good terms with you, unless you have any objections.


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The Disciple 8 years ago

I am intrigued by the comments of the atheists. Understand this, there is no greater scientific evidence in favor of evolution than there is in creation. In fact, the reverse is true. You see, in Darwin's day, science had not progressed far enough to understand a very important viewpoint that has come into light recently that has shoved aside natural selection; that being the concept of irriducable complexity. IE: there are structures that have been discovered that are so complex, that there simply is no way of having them evolve, so natural selection is unable to answer complex questions about the origin of species. One of those irreducably complex structures is DNA. The DNA code, according to Bill Gates is more complex than any computer code ever written. Stop and think about it, the second law of thermodynamics refutes the chance of DNA arizing by chance. And, by the way, if you wish to discuss the first written language, you might consider DNA as a strong contender, since it pre existed all written languages! So that being said, the new concept of irreducable complexity is an argument in favor of intelligent design as opposed to accidental origin.


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

Thanks for sharing that! DNA is an excellent candidate for the very first language. I'd recommend reading "The God Code" by Gregg Braden, who seems to know quite a bit about the science behind DNA and how there is a hidden message encoded in every cell of every living being. It is a fascinating topic, and anyone with an interest in details will enjoy the astounding science of how DNA, Hebrew and/or Arabic, the periodic table of elements, and the Bible all fit together like pieces of a puzzle. This book is nothing but truth, and scientific, proven evidence that this world was designed, not spontaneously evolved from lifeless matter.


Naga 8 years ago

Hi,

As per historical evidence the Oldest languages which have written forms as from their Origin are Sanskirit and Tamil. Both are the Indian languages, that are prominent on Northern and southern part of the country resp. The fact that hebrew and other languages were also there but they didn't emerge with a Strong and typical Written form. A language is like a body without soul, if its existing or existed without proper written form.In this point, I insist to say that the written form is not the One with scripts but also with excellent Grammers, Phonetical Intelligence, etc.


Naga 8 years ago

Hi,

It is not appropriate to say that Hebrew is the oldest language by just comparing and spaeking it with Bible. Even Bible is merely older for 2000 years. Before that itself so many languages and religions existed and still continuing their existence...We know that Hindu religions mythology and epics (older that 6000 years) say that the Hindu Gods spoke in a Language called 'Sanskirit'. The sanskirit is also referred as 'Deva lipi (languages of Gods)'. And also Tamil is having a grand history of more than 3000 years. The most of the words and their phonetical signs of this language are similar to the sounds of Nature. For ex, in tamil the word refers to mother is 'Amma' and we know that animals also call their mother with the same phonetic sound (mmmamma..). And also most of the words envisage the specifying things. So, its unfair to say that hebrew is the Oldest language that too by merely grabbing the evidences from Bible and chemistry. That might be apt for a particular race but not for all.


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AuraGem 8 years ago from Victoria, Australia

A fascinating discussion! I too have dabbled in researching this topic a number of times over the years. But I strike a wall with one concept. I am not totally convinced all the theorists have the same understanding of the concept of language. Some refer to language as symbolic sounds. Others do not acknowledge language until there is a "thread" between sounds. So, to try to pin down the first language must first clearly state what that constitutes.

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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

Thanks for the comment! You're right, it is important to define what language you are talking about clearly. For my theory, I would define language as any form of communication between humans that uses sounds produced by the tongue, teeth, and voice, whether or not there is a written form of it.


Eagle  8 years ago

If sanskrit is the oldest language, why isn't the whole world talking and typing in it? If sanskrit replaced an earlier language how then can it claim the title of being the oldest? Sanskrit is complex, showing it borrowed and invented heavily. But from whom did it borrow and copy from? Hebrew of course. But Hebrew is a subset of an even earlier older language, the one from which Adam and Eve spoke. As taught to them by the Spirit that walked in the cool of the day with them as their visitor and teacher. That same spirit walked with both Moses and Joshua. Each time speaking a form of Aramaic that unusual and counter intuitive to what we may think.


dennis 8 years ago

Ramayana is a myth! sanscrit also a myth! Dravidian languages are the oldest in indian languages!


THE BEST 8 years ago

ALL I GOTTA SAY IS YOU GUYS ARE ALL IDIOTS, AND I AM THE SMARTEST MAN ALIVE. I CAN INTELLIGENTLY CONDUCT MORE THINGS THAN YOU PEOPLE EVER CAN IN A LIFETIME OF EXISTANCE. MY INTELLIGENCE OUTNUMBERS YOURS A BILLION TO 1. AETHEISTS ARE MORONS. WHY? BECAUSE THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF SCIENCE COMES FROM RELIGION. THE FIRST UNIVERSITIES THAT EVER BROUGHT ABOUT ACTUAL FACTS AND PROGRESS INTO THE WORLD CAME AFTER CHRISTIANITY WAS FORMED. THE FIRST FORUMS HELD IN GREECE AND CHINA DEALT WITH NOTHING MORE THAN PHILOSOPHY; THE FIRST "EDUCATIONAL" FACILITIES WHERE THEORY AND SUCH CAME INTO EXISTANCE ie. - SOCRATES, PLATO (ALL USELESS). ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF SOCIETY CAME AFTER CHRISTIANITY WAS BROUGHT FORTH INTO THE WORLD, EVEN WITH PHILOSOPHERS (ie.- LEONARDO DA VINCI, GALLILEO, SIGMUND FREUD) DURING THAT TIME CHRISTIANITY WAS THE FOREFRONT RELIGION IN MIDIEVAL EUROPE.

PROGRESS WASN'T TRULY ESTABLISHED UNTIL CHRISTIANITY WAS INTRODUCED INTO THE WORLD, WITH THAT IN TURN, AMERICA WAS FOUND (NOT TO MENTION, BY PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS ESCAPING RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION). FROM THERE A NATION WAS FINALLY DEVELOPED UNDER CHRISTIAN MORALS, ETHICS, AND VALUES, WITHOUT ACTUAL GREED AND POWER INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS ie.- FEUDALISM. GREECE HAD TRIED TO DO THE SAME THING AS WELL AT ONE POINT IN HISTORY, BUT WHAT DID THEY LACK? CHRISTIAN MORALS, ETHICS, AND VALUES, SAME WITH ROME AS WELL. THE ROMAN EMPIRE INSTILLED GREEK METHODS OF CONTROL AND GOVERNMENT ie - FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND EVERY REGION IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE STILL RETAINS LOCAL RULERS WHICH WAS IN PARTISANSHIP WITH THE ROMAN EMPIRE, BUT IN TURN BOTH GOVERNMENTS ENDED UP FAILING. CHRISTIANITY WHICH WAS FINALLY INSTILLED IN THE CREATION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SEEMED TO HAVE PROVEN TO BE A SUCCESS, WHY? FOR ONE, THERE WAS MORE TECHNOLOGICAL AND SCIENCE ADVANCES IN THE LAST 200 YEARS, THAN ALL OF HISTORY COMBINED. JESUS CHRIST HAS TO GET SOME CREDIT FOR THAT, SINCE THIS WAS A NATION FOUNDED UPON CHRISTIANITY, UNLESS OF COURSE YOU WANT TO BE A TRUE ABSOLUTE, SELF-RIGHTEOUS, IGNORANT BIGOT. YOU AETHEIST FOOL, BUT I DON'T BLAME YOU, ITS LIKE BEING EMO, AETHEISTS JUST LIKE TO GO AGAINST THE FLOW TO PISS PEOPLE OFF. CONGRATS!


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

While I couldn't agree more with most of your points, I don't exactly think that insulting anyone for their beliefs is going to get you anywhere. If you want people to really, intelligently listen to you (assuming you think this is possible, which from reading your comment, I seriously doubt) then you have to give them a chance and listen intelligently to what they have to say FIRST, and then acknowledge that you have indeed heard what they said and interpreted it correctly. Only then can intelligent communication take place. Insults have no place in valid arguments, and neither does ego-centric thinking, which your comment is brimming with, sorry to say. Even if you are correct in everything you said, if you really want people to hear you out, you need to treat them with the same kind of respect you obviously think you deserve. Again, I agree with most of your points; in fact I couldn't have said it better, except to ditch the insults and say it in such a way that you don't begin to sound like some of the names you call others might just apply to yourself. At any rate, thanks for the comment I suppose. Just remember that atheists do in fact have brains and can reason for themselves, and occasionally when they do decide to use their capacities for reason and logic, the truth will eventually make itself known, without the need for someone like you to blare it out to them in a way that makes them want to cover their ears.


THE BEST 8 years ago

WELL YOU KNOW WHAT I LEARNED CYBER MOUSE? THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH ALL THE INSULTS AND ALL THE HARASSMENTS, AND DEPICT THE TRUE POINT OF WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET AT. A LOT OF TIMES, PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW HOW TO HUMBLE THEMSELVES, WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE FR*CKING MORONS. IF THESE PEOPLE TRULY KNEW WHAT POINTS ARE IN FACT VALID AND INVALID, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE PAST THE PSYCHOTIC INSULTS, AND SEE THE TRUTH BENEATH THE PRIDE AND THE EGO. YET MOST OF THE TIME, A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE JUST INSTILL CONVERSATION AS A SENSE OF A "POPULARITY CONTEST." IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO ME, I DEAL WITH STUPID, IDIOTIC, IGNORANT, SELFISH BIGOTS DAY IN AND DAY OUT, BUT WHAT DOES BOTHER ME IS THAT THESE STUPID, IDIOTIC, IGNORANT, SELFISH BIGOTS DON'T JUST DIE OUT, LIKE THEY SHOULD LIKE FR*CKING DINOSAURS. THEY REPRODUCE (USUALLY BY MASSIVE AMOUNTS) AND CREATE MORE IDIOTS. I'M SORRY, BUT ITS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE SLAM DOWN IDIOTS WITH A VENGEANCE. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE GOOD OLD DAYS WHEN PEOPLE WERE HUNG FOR STEALING SOMEONE'S COW, OR BURNED AT A STAKE FOR NOT BELIEVING IN CHRIST? THAT'S WHAT MADE AMERICA GREAT, NOT THIS HUGE OVERDOSE OF SEX AND MTV. GOD DAMN THE USA!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JobynUg0ftg

I'M THINKING IF I DON'T SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID, NO ONE IS EVER GOING TO SAY ANYTHING UNTIL ITS TOO LATE, WHY? BECAUSE EVERYONE IS A FUCKING IDIOT. THANK YOU GOODBYE!


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

While it is indeed sad to see the state of things getting worse by the day, if all these idiots are as dumb as you say they are, then none of them will be able to even listen to what you have just said for more than a second without wanting to run away, much less try to make sense of it. Even if they did try, I seriously doubt that, being stupid, they could see through the insults you have thrown at them and gain any truth from it. Therefore, there is something wrong with the way you are going about it, and frankly, I think your end result is screwed up as well. Do you really want them all to die? Will that really help anything? If they all die we'll be left with you, won't we? You exhibit all the same things you accuse of others, despite the good points you want to make. Again I will say that the only way to truly get anyone to listen to you is to stop swearing and start treating people with respect, whether or not they are ignorant. If you display the same ignorance and stupidity you accuse them of, what reason do they have to listen to anything you say? You say people don't know how to humble themselves, yet you could not even acknowledge a single thing that I said to you in my last comment. Nothing you said in either of your comments was in the least way humble. I suggest you get the plank out of your own eye before you go around taking all the specs of sawdust from the eyes of your earthly brothers and sisters, my friend.


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Patty Inglish, MS 8 years ago from North America

The film "Youth Without Youth" by Francis Ford Coppola concerns searching for the oldest langauge, and beyond that, the first precursor to it, a proto-language.

Historical and science fiction to be sure, much of the language search material has some basis in fact. According to this, there were two-three languages before Sanskrit, but a proto-language could not be found. it is also true that some circumpolar languages may be older than Sanskrit, but research is still underway.

Since the DNA tracking (Smithsonain) and Human Genome projects find that human life began in either Africa near the Congo or near the Middle East (Garden of Eden) or in the Middle East, then that maybe be the site for the first language.

Two or three nations claim to have produced the oldest language, mathematics, science and other disciplines, but older evidence has been available in other locations.

Thanks for the Hub.


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WeddingConsultant 8 years ago from DC Metro Area

wow, cybermouse, what a fantastic hub you have here...mainly due to the comments spurred afterward!  I have to confess, though, that I didn't read all of the comments as they are long!

"THE BEST"- I don't think me correcting you will do either of us any good, but hey man, try not using the CAPS.  Also, I completely disagree with 95% of what you said and 100% of the method in which you chose to say those things.

Now, on to the real comment- cybermouse, I'm not sure as to the historical accuracy of Hebrew being the first written and/or spoken language, but I loved the thoughts toward the end where you wrote of the differences between the Hebrew words for God and man!  Thanks for making me think.


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bluebird 8 years ago

Excellent hub with a lot of interesting comments. Thanks!


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

Patty--thanks for mentioning that film. I'll have to look into it sometime! Another excellent film is called "Unlocking the Mystery of Life" and it pretty much explains the science behind the intelligent design view. It really makes it clear what the truth about science is. Many people claim to believe that the evidence supports evolution when it really does not. When one does enough research and actually studies it for him or herself, one finds the evidence to be in favor of creationism in some form or another, which in turn points to God's designing the first language as well. My theory is simply that this first language could possibly be Hebrew, even though its writing system was not adopted until some time later.

WeddingConsultant--thanks for the comment. I'm glad you got something from my hub. Most of my ideas for this theory came from the book "The God Code" by Gregg Braden that I mentioned earlier. It is truly an excellent read in which a scientist puts forth truthful evidence about DNA and how everything fits together like pieces of a puzzle. If you can't find one to purchase, at least borrow it from the local library. I think you would really enjoy it.

Bluebird--thanks!


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Patty Inglish, MS 8 years ago from North America

I've read the God Code and a dozen other works on this - DNA is definitely a mathimatical type of language, planned and created.


THE BEST (I'm Korean btw) 8 years ago

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.... Okay, to respect Wedding Consultant's wishes, I will not type in caps. As for the points I made, I believe them to be valid points whether or not people want to read it or not. I mean after all if people (the truly stupid ones who couldn't get pass the first sentence of this forum and already dazed out after reading Sanskrit; oldest language; historical proof, ect, ect,) could make it pass that first topic and end up reading all the way down to my thread, yet wouldn't give a chance in flying hell to read my thread because I call them stupid or I type in caps, and just ignore everything I have to say, then honestly I don't know what to say. It is usually the educated people who are mostly the idiots of society (moraless, ethicless, selfish, ect, ect). Stupid people who in fact are not educated, usually do what they're told by force of command (normally, educated people with good ethics, values, and morals, do not have any sort of command whatsoever as they are for the most part entirely passive, ie- Cybermouse). Usually, the people who do have a say as to what is what are usually the educated dumb asses (refer to up above) while the educated ones usually just keep to themselves and not say a single word to reach the masses per say, but only the educated dumb asses, or a better word would be jackasses, or other passive stupid people who just remain passive all the same, while its the educated jackasses that usually end up reaching the uneducated masses. All I'm trying to say is there should be some good educated people that says things a bit aggressively to counter the affects of the aggressive educated jackasses, so uneducated people do not end up turning into aggressive educated jackasses because more times than not, uneducated people admire aggressiveness over passiveness, and yes in Christianity (which I fully claim) righteous anger can be used more times than not, as bad as it sounds, as long as it is within the boundaries of love. If you're an educated Christian you should know what that means.

NOTE- I HOPE YOU FR*CKING DUMB FR*CKS IGNORE MY POST BECAUSE YOU SEE I'M KOREAN, LOL, YOU RETARDS.


THE BEST (Da #1 KoReAn StUnAA) 8 years ago

REQUEST: CYBERMOUSE COULD YOU POST A LIST OF ALL THE FORUM SITES YOU VISIT? I WOULD LOVE TO FREQUENT THEM ALL.

THANKS!


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

THE BEST--I must thank you for toning down the use of profanity, it makes it much easier for people to read what you have written, whether you think so or not. Also, I would agree that there are unfortunately too many people in power who do not deserve it or know what they are doing. That doesn't mean you need to call them names. Calling them names will not change anything. If you want to see positive change, you need to do something about it rather than complain to normally educated people with morals and values (i.e. Cybermouse). I see the problem as clearly as you do, but I obviously am not as upset about it as you are, and perhaps that makes you a better person. I agree that people who have morals and values should not live peaceful lives and ignore the problems that we are faced with in today's society. However, if you fully claim Christianity as you said, and you truly wanted to use righteous anger in the boundaries of love, which I would agree that you can, how loving is it to insult the people you are talking about just as easily as they would insult you? (for being Korean or Christian or whatever else they can think up) That doesn't seem a very loving thing to do; instead it seems like you are using their own bad methods against them. God tells us to love our enemies, does he not? If they do nothing loving towards us, why should we copy anything they do? What would be loving instead is to take the Christian apologist standpoint and gently and kindly show them where they are wrong, and if they cannot see the truth, pray that God would make it known to them according to His will. Also, I would love to post a list of all the forum sites I visit, if this were not the only one. As of now, it is the only one, therefore I cannot post a list. I was not part of any forums until I joined this one. This website is really my major publishing outlet right now. I do have a blogger site but it's about games and I haven't updated it in about a year, and my xanga site is equally run-down. I just don't have time for those anymore, I barely find time to publish hubs.


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WeddingConsultant 8 years ago from DC Metro Area

THE BEST- As brass as some of your comments were, I think I underrstand the message. And I agree that most "ignorant" people are well educated! It's as if people who pursue higher learning (sometimes) lose common sense.

But I can't talk with you any more because you're Korean. haha j/k

I admire that you're still on here posting comments, though. You should join hubpages! Give yourself a username and contribute in our forums and by writing hubs. I'm sure what you'd write would promote many comments and questions!

p.s. the name "THE BEST" makes me laugh when I read it. Maybe you could pick a more subtle username? ;)


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

THE BEST--Actually now that I think about it, there is one other major posting I've done that you might be interested in, but it's on facebook. If you're not on facebook you won't be able to see it, but it's free to join. If you're interested, just go to www.facebook.com to sign up and let me know your user name and then I'll contact you on there with details about the posts. My email is cybermouse8[at]gmail[dot]com in case you want to contact me that way.


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Gij,j=0 8 years ago

THE OLDEST SPOKEN LANGUAGE IS THE BIG BANG. IT IS THE WORD OF GOD FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE RELIGIOUS . BOTH ARE WAVES OF ENERGY...SOUND.

ALSO CYBERMOUSE IF YOU FOLLOW THE BIBLE ,TORAH,KORAN... ,THEN YOU WOULD KNOW OF THE STORY OF THE TOWER OF BABLE...THE ONE UNIFING LANGUAGE THAT EXISTED BEFORE THAT POINT COULD NOT BE HEBREW...BECAUSE ALL THE LANGUAGES AFTER WERE MADE TO CONFUSE...INCLUDING HEBREW.

EVERYTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE IS VIBRATING...LANGUAGE IS VIBRATION . TRUTH IS HIDDEN IN THE ONENESS OF ALL THINGS, INCLUDING YOUR QUESTION ON WHAT IS THE FIRST SPOKEN LANGUAGE.COMBINE THEM ALL...IN SOME WAY YOU WOULD HAVE A BETTER ANSWER....THEY ALL CONSIST OF POWERFUL BASIC SYLLABLE VIBRATIONS ....SCIENCE TODAY IS USING COMPUTER PROGRAMS IN AN ATTEMPT TO UNLOCK THIS AND HOW WE MANIFEST MATTER INTO THIS WORLD. WHEN IT HAPPENS THEN WE SEE SCIENCE AND SPIRIT UNIFIED. THIS IS THE REASON THE POWER OF THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE HAS BEEN HIDDEN.LETS JUST HOPE THE RELIGIONS CAN BE UNIFIED SINCE THEY ALL ARE EXACTLY THE SAME, MOST OF THESE STORIES DIRECTLY TAKEN FROM KEMETXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX XX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

PEOPLE UNITE NOW

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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

So, Gij,j=0 are you saying that the first language was annihilated when God confused the languages at the tower of Babel? I know that story well, yet it does not say that God's original language was lost. It only says that new languages were made to confuse the people. This does not mean that the original language could not exist after this event. As long as the original language is different from the others, it would not prevent the confusion that was the purpose of the new languages. In fact it would help with the confusion. Just because it was the first language doesn't mean it had to cease to exist simply because new languages were created. I believe that it did not cease to exist, but that only a few still knew it, and that this language was indeed Hebrew. To me this makes the most sense. God is a creator and he doesn't annihilate things that are not evil. It doesn't make sense for God to annihilate something good that he created, such as the first language. By annihilation I mean the complete removal from existence.


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Gij,j=0 8 years ago

nope...annihilate.... such finality from an old jedi it is...SO DEFINATE ..I see you are religious ...so i will speak in these terms ...division is the MOST powerful weapon of the "Devil". I SPOKE OF UNITY AND ONENESS. EVEN HEBREW OR I GUESS YOUR SPEAKING OF THE LANGUAGE OF ONE OF THE TRIBES OF ISREAL THE CANAANITES..BECAUSE THERE ARE.... IM NOT SURE BUT, SOMETHING LIKE 11 TRIBES THAT ARE MISSING ...NOONE KNOWS WHERE THEY EXSIST...RIGHT? FROM SOME NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES TO JAPAN TO ETHIOPIA, ENGLAND TO NIGERIA THERE ARE PEOPLES ALL OVER THE PLANET WHO HAVE ORAL TRADITION CLAIMING TO BE THESE LOST TRIBES. CHOOSEN PEOPLE...HAHAHAHAHAHA ..ONENESS. I FEEL THERE ARE CHOOSEN PEOPLE IN ALL THE "RACES" ...SUCH A WONDERFUL FAIR LOVING GOD...NO?

AND DONT CLAIM TO KNOW ANY STORY OF THE BIBLE TORAH KORAN WELL...UNTIL YOU HAVE READ ALL OF THOSE SAME INSTUCTIONS IN TEXT THAT PREDATE JUDISM...WHICH IS ACTUALLY VERY VERY EASY TO DO EVEN IF ONLY LOOKING AT ANCIENT EYGPT...Hahaha BUT THERE ARE MANY MORE.ONENESS

THE TIME IS NOW TO OPEN THE CLOSED AND DIVIDED MINDS.

AS MOSES METEPHORICLY BROUGHT US OUT OF THE CONSTELLATION OF TAURUS (THE BULL) AND INTO ARIES (THE RAM(ROSHASHANA BLOW THE RAM HORN hahaha) AND YESHUAH (JESUS AND HIS DISIPLES OF FISHERMAN) FROM ARIES INTO PISCES.....NOW ...AS EVERY 2000 YEARS OR SO OUR PLANET ENTERS A NEW VIBRATION ...NOW IS THE TIME OF AQUARIOUS(THE WATER BEARER..POURER?...HHAHAHA)....WAVES..LETS OUR BRAINS SURF A LITTLE CYBERMOUSE OUTSIDE THESE BATHTUBS OF THOUGHT GIVEN TO US INTO AN OCEAN OF CONSCIOUSNESS.

I FOUND VERY GREAT YOUR THOUGHTS ON KEMET MYSTERY..OOPS I MEAN CHEMISRY ...SPEAKING ON THE NITROGEN(7NITRO I THINK FIRE) ATOM AND THE NAME OF GOD AND CARBON (6MAN) BEING ONLY ONE LETTER SEPERATING US IN HEBREW...NOW THINK ABOUT HYDROGEN (1 I THINK OF WATER)ONENESS...HAHAHAHAHA..oooo...HYDROGEN IS THE SIMPLEST ATUM 1 ELECTRON , 1 PROTON, 1 NEUCLEUS....EVERY ELEMENT IS SIMPLY A COMBINATION OF HYDROGEN ATUMS ...UNIFIED THEOREM ...CARBON HAVING 6 ELECTRONS ETC ETC ..SO ACTUALLY THERE IS ONLY ONE ELEMENT IN EXISTANCE...HAHAHA ONENESS

WE CREATE WORDS TO DIVIDE...TO SEPARATE OUR SURROUNDINGS...TO DEFINE..THE INFINATE.

IF YOU LOOK AT MY LAST MESSAGE I SPOKE OF HAHAHAA ONENESS.

SOON I FEEL WE WILL KNOW THIS ANSWER YOU ASK ...BUT AQUARIOUS ARRIVES SOMETHING LIKE 200 MORE YEARS SOOO .......

IN THE MEAN TIME LETS START TO CHANGE OUR MIND SET...AND STOP THE WARS OF SUFFERING PLAGUEING OUR UNUNIFIED RACE.


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Gij,j=0 8 years ago

ONENESS


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

Gij,j=0, I disagree completely with your statement "Don't claim to know any story of the Bible, Koran, or Torah well." First of all, I do not believe that the Torah or the Koran were God-inspired in any way. If prophecies have been fulfilled from them I might begin to investigate, but as of today I am not aware of any actual proof of anything being divine scripture except for the Bible. I definitely have the right to claim to know any story in the Bible that I have read, and I have most certainly read the tower of Babel story. I know for a fact that nowhere in the story does it say that the first language fell out of use after the languages were confused. If you don't believe me, you can look it up yourself on any good bible reference website--the story is found in Genesis 11:1-9. Also, nothing you said was even halfway relevant to the first language, let alone the tower of Babel. If you're going to change the subject to metaphysics or superstition, then at least provide some kind of transition. I couldn't follow half of what you said and I certainly don't understand how it relates to the first language. Please try to use clearer language and a more structured response in the future, and then I might be able to understand what you're saying. Also I would really like to know what is so funny that requires you to have "HAHAHAHA" strewn throughout your comment. I might add that it doesn't contribute a whole lot to your credibility!


Questioning 8 years ago

An interseting Hub excelent points through out, Cybermouse I mite recommend checking the Torah out as it is just the Old Testement (remember the Jewish dont give validitay to Jesus so no new testiment) it will give credability to what you say and as for the Karan Or (Quran) it lacks the structure of the bible but also says the same things based again on the old testement. Worth looking at as points of prophetic fullfilment. The origin of lingustics is traaceable in art works and symbolic structure in essaance it is the ability to communicate orgins and destinations and the question arises was it written in the stars before the creation of man as well as imbedd in the inermost parts of our beings (DNA). Pleased to read all views and greatfull to grow in understanding.


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Gij,j=0 8 years ago

laughter.....love.....hahahaha oneness. read my statements closely . no superstitions . bisous


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

Questioning--Thanks for the comment. While I do have an open mind and I believe that if I were to read the Torah or the Quran, I would no doubt learn from them, I also believe that nothing can best the Bible itself, and I reserve the right to believe mostly and fully in the Bible as opposed to the others. Even though the Torah and/or Quran may or may not contain useful insights, there is nothing better than the Bible, and my thinking reflects this.

Gij,j=0, perhaps I was mistaken in saying that you were superstitious, but your comments were very hard to interpret and made little, if any, sense. This is what I meant. I couldn't think of a better word for describing what you had written, and my point was that you said hardly anything about the first language, and went into a subject that I am not interested in discussing, at least on this hub.


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bluebird 8 years ago

Cybermouse,

 After reading each and every comment, all I can say is, not only "May The Force Be With You" but "The Force IS With You!" Definitely!

You've got your head screwed on straight and I don't care what anyone else thinks! Neither do you, and that is one of your strengths, indeed, you have many, my friend. KUDOS!!!

Excellent hub!!!


sacredsarrah 8 years ago

Dear One, great work and potent insight. You might find the works of Zechariah Sitchin of great use in your ever-continuing search for your personal truth.

By the way, your mother sent me your way after reading my Hub on the Edison Trait ~

Toni Elizabeth Sar'h Petrinovich PhD

www.sacredspaceswa.com

www.angelichuman.com


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

Bluebird--Thanks very much! That rings true even more so because I like Star Wars.

sacredsarrah--Thanks for your comment as well! I shall indeed check out Zechariah Sitchin.


Liz 8 years ago

Hi, I've been reading all of the comments, and to be fair most have valid and reasonable arguments. I'm not going to enter into the debate, but would like to pose a question/thought to the topic.

I used to go to Sunday school as a child and I kind of remember a story about the Tower of Babel. As I recall (and my recall isn't very good I'm afraid) there was one language and when the tower of Babel fell, no one could communicate with one another because everyone's language had changed. If the language that we spoke back then was changed, then Hebrew as we know it came about after the fall of the Tower of Babel surely? If this is the case, what was the language spoken before the Tower fell?


Liz 8 years ago

lol @myself...missed a whole section of this hub about the tower of Babel >.< am reading it now !

This whole hub is very interesting :)


Liz 8 years ago

I just have been reading the bible genesis 11 vs 1-9 and read a lil further back too...The language spoken at the time of Babel was the language spoken by Noah and his offspring... this is obviously because all of mankind was wiped out by the floods that covered the earth in Noah's time, thus the only language left to survive was that of Noah's native tongue. According to Genesis, the language spoken by man was one unifiying language and of one speech, and from what I read, God didn't like the idea that much because it meant that we as humans could accomplish anything we set our minds to, so in His wisdom God decided to confound the language of man, because we weren't obviously ready to accomplish these amazing things God foresaw us doing. vs 7-9 state "Lets us go down, and there confound their language that they may not understand one another's speech. So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore the name of it called Babel; becuase the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and dfrom thence did the Lord scatter them all abroad on the face of the earth"

So, from that I'm guessing that the tongue of all the earth was that of Noah, which, if I am not mistaken is Older than Hebrew

. God doesn't do things by half...if He confounded the language of all the earth, then the language spoken before the time of Babel would have been lost. All languages that formed after Babel are Old. They would be the languages of the people scattered across the face of the earth. Hebrew being ONE of those languages to come from Babel and one of the oldest, but I don't think Hebrew is THE oldest language.

You have to think about modern language and regional differences in accent and dialect. In England we all speak one language, but in different parts of the country we have different words for different things, this is a regional thing, and the same would have applied to ancient times too, before Noah. After the flood the only language available to the earth was that spoken by Noah and his family, hense the reason we all spoke one common tongue and speech. No where have I read that Noah spoke Hebrew.


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

Thanks for the comments, Liz. The reason I believe that God did not get rid of or annihilate the first language at the tower of Babel is that it doesn't make sense for God to simply get rid of a language he created. I believe that a select few still spoke it after the confusion of the languages, because no where does it say that it WAS destroyed. Until I find evidence that it was destroyed, I'm going to believe that it wasn't. Of course, I have no more proof for this theory than you have for yours. You just haven't read anything that contradicts your theory. So until either of us read something that evidences our own opinion, there's really no reason for us to argue about it. In fact I'm glad your opinion differs from mine. The search for truth would mean nothing, after all, if everyone knew the truth. For now, we only have theories, and this is my theory.


dipz 8 years ago

WOW! Cybermouse ur so cool. Speechless


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

dipz--Thanks for the comment! Cheers :)


kalki 8 years ago

Hey there all humans,

One wise person in between was babbling a lot about socrates and other scholars of ancient period. Well my dear, the great Indian vedic period dates far behind even the great great grand dad's grand dad of Mr.Socrates. Arya bhata who himself was a scholar might have been a good looking mummy that Mr.Socrates can see if he was preserved after his death. Huh, and about dev nagri and Brahmi, the oldest scripts ever, is a proven fact. You guys check in google please if you cannot find a wise man to ask next your door.

My friend who wrote about dwaraka was absolutely right and i am enclosing certain facts of Dwaraka.

Oldest Civilization

Sunken City Off India Coast7500 B.C.? 10 000 B.C.? 50 000 B.C.?

How to fix the date of the MahabharataA practical suggestion

The following text is taken from the Mahabharata.The text in Section VI predicts the sinking of the City of Dwaravati. Section VII describes how the city of Dwarka was swallowed up by the ocean. Geological expertise can help determine the period when the city of Dwarka was lost beneath the ocean waves.

Tsunami? (Earliest recorded event of Tsunami)

From The MahabharataMausala Parva, Section VITranslated by Sri Kisari Mohan Ganguli

Vasudeva said:This city of Dwaravati, after Arjuna’sdeparture, will, with its walls and edifices, be swallowedup by the ocean without any delay.

Sunken City Off India Coast-7500 B. C.?© 2002 by Linda Moulton Howe

February 16, 2002

Surat, India - A month ago in mid-January, marine scientists in India announced they had sonar images of square and rectangular shapes about 130 feet down off the northwestern coast of India in the Gulf of Khambhat (Cambay). Not only are their sonar shapes with 90-degree angles, the Indian Minister of Science and Technology ordered that the site be dredged. What was found has surprised archaeologists around the world and was the subject of a private meeting two weeks ago attended by the Indian Minister in charge of investigating the underwater site about thirty miles off the coast from Surat.

An American who traveled to that private meeting was Michael Cremo, researcher in the history of archaeology for the Bhakti Vedanta Institute in India and author of the book Forbidden Archaeology. I talked with him today in India about the dredging operation, what the ocean engineers found and the implications of first carbon dating of artifacts at more than 9,000 years.

Michael Cremo, Researcher of Ancient Archaeologyand Author, Forbidden Archaeology

"Within the past few months, the engineers began some dredging operations there and they pulled up human fossil bones, fossil wood, stone tools, pieces of pottery and many other things that indicated that it indeed was a human habitation site that they had. And they were able to do more intensive sonar work there and were able to identify more structures. They appeared to have been laid out on the bank of a river that had been flowing from the Indian subcontinent out into that area.

According to the news releases, they have done a radiocarbon testing on a piece of wood from the underwater site that is now yielding an age of 9,500 years which would place it near the end of the last Ice Age.

Yes, those are the indications that are coming. There were actually two radiocarbon dates: one about 7500 years old and another about 9500 years old. The 9500 year old one seems to be the strongest one. That's the one they are going with. This was announced by Minister Joshi (Murli Manohar Joshi is Indian Minister for Ocean Technology) at this meeting I attended in Hyderabad, India. He said there is going to be more work going on. It's difficult because it's very difficult to see down there. There is a very swift current. So, it's going to have to be a pretty massive effort, but he said the government of India is willing to put the resources behind it to do whatever it takes to further confirm these discoveries.

I also spoke in Hyderabad with an independent archaeologist not connected with the Indian government, but who has a deep interest in these discoveries and he says they are still going to have to send divers down there. Up to this point, they have not sent divers down. The information they have is based on the sonar readings and the dredging they have done. Eventually, they are going to have to find a way to get people down there to take a closer look at this. I think this effort is going to go on.

Now, another American archaeologist, Richard Meadows of Harvard University, is proposing there should be an international effort here. On the surface that sounds like a good idea, but it also may be an effort of American archaeologists and others to control the project. I don't think they want to see a civilization being as old as it appears to be according to these new finds at 9500 years ago. So, I would hope the Indian archaeologists and government would be very cautious about letting outsiders in there who might have a different agenda and who might try to control what gets let out about this very important discovery. It could be quite revolutionary.

Cultural Background of People At Underwater Site?

Even if we don't know what the cultural background of the people is, if it does happen to be a city that is 9500 years old, that is older than the Sumerian civilization by several thousand years. It is older than the Egyptian, older than the Chinese. So it would radically affect our whole picture of the development of urban civilization on this planet.

Now, if it further happens that additional research is able to identify the culture of the people who lived in that city that's now underwater, if it turns out they are a Vedic people - which I think is quite probable given the location of this off the coast of India - I think that would radically change the whole picture of Indian history which has basically been written by western archaeologists.

Please feel free to write to me...vimalmohanpillai@gmail.com


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Peter M. Lopez 8 years ago from Sweetwater, TX

I write a lot on the Hebrew language. I think you are correct. I have a few hubs on the origin of the alphabet and the symbolism of the Hebrew language. I would invite you to check them out sometime.


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Patty Inglish, MS 8 years ago from North America

Those are good Hubs you've written, Peter.

I want to see the entire Old Testament in original language with literal translation of the picture symbols and the factual historical/cultural commentary next to it for better understanding - like a side-by-side translation Bible, only with the full truth.

Great discussions here.


Graceful Guardian 8 years ago

Well my thoughts might be weird but I'll put them forth anyway,evolution theory says our first language was,oooh and aaah,and creation theory doesn't know cause we are confused because of the splitting of languages.So I know this doesn't help the debate much but might put some laughter into it.


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

Peter--Thanks! You're the first person to explicitly agree with me that Hebrew was the first language. I will definitely take a good look at your hubs.

Patty-I know there are editions of the Hebrew Pentateuch that are as you described. I can't recommend any good web sites to buy any from, but I know they do exist. One of my college professors has one. I'll ask him sometime where he got it :)


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In The Doghouse 8 years ago from California

Cybermouse,

I would also be interested in knowing about the Hebrew Pentateuch that you are referring to, will you post your findings? I must question, are you thinking that Hebrew was the pure Adamic language? Have you read any works of the scholar, Hugh Nibley? This Hub has generated a great discussion. Thanks.


Graceful Guardian 8 years ago

In a book Fossilised Customs,they said today's Hebrew is old day Babylonian Hebrew is there any proof to this,for I also think Hebrew is the oldest language though like others I can not prove it.


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

In The Doghouse--I will indeed post my findings on here, if I can discover where my professor got his copy. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he has more than one. He teaches one of my classes which is called BTE for short, which stands for Biblical Theology and Ethics, an upper level course on Christian Apologetics and the foundational ideas and various logical proofs behind Christianity, as well as proofs against all other worldviews.

Graceful Guardian--Thanks for your comments. To answer your question, the old testament was originally written in Hebrew. This is the same Hebrew used by the Babylonians as you have said, therefore the Pentateuch itself (the first five books of the O.T.) is proof that this is the same Hebrew as that of today. It is not the exact same language as it was then, but this is insignificant when you consider that other languages have changed too, especially ones that have not been around as long as Hebrew has.


pQsK 8 years ago

Wow, very interesting...I just spent well over an hour reading all of these comments. Where to start? First I would say that Cybermouse, you did enlighten me with the periodic table. But like with all things in life, we as humans can find an explanation for anything, hence the many religions in the world. I do not agree that hebrew was the first language, although it is quite ancient, and it's not spoken the same way as it used to be, and also the idioms are totally different now. I can't recall the person who wrote about the tower of babel but that brings a good point. The languages were split (assuming we believe this to be historical) so what does this mean? The languages all evolved. Can we prove this? Of course we can. Let's take our language as an example. I'm sure you have heard of the classic "Beowulf". A movie was made of this classic book recently, for those of you who live in a cave. Anyways, this book was written in english. But can anyone reading this post actually read it without a translation? Furthermore, if you can read it, are you able to read it without a commentary? I doubt that, unless you study that old english it was written in. It's so old that it is literally another language. Not just english, but spanish is this way too. I'm sure we are all acquainted with the KVJ. That isn't as old, but giving that to a young child to read would be futile. This is the same with hebrew. Can anyone read the ancient Tanakh in hebrew without a translation and without a commentary? No one can read this and learn this on their own, even an israelite born speaking hebrew and/or aramaic cannot do this. It's a totally different language. In the western world, christianity even teaches hebrew slightly different than in the east, or the jews in the western world.

Hebrew was the language of the canaanites. Abraham was son of Terah, who was part of a Canaanite tribe. Abraham left his tribe to follow G-d. Later on, the descendants of Abraham were called "hibiri". Like today, people call jews insulting names. All of the canaanites were called hebrews, but to the descendants of Abraham, they were not worthy to be called hebrew, so they would call them hibiri. Some might argue that aramaic was the official language of the canaanites, I have read theories of this, and how hebrew evolved from aramaic, it is possible.

Another thing, the issue about the flood. To me this is the most interesting thing. I know a lot of you religious folks will disagree with me. In the torah it says the G-d flooded the "whole earth" and everyone was killed except for noah and his family. A simple examination of the hebrew we read that G-d flooded the whole "ha-eretz". eretz can be translated as earth, land. That would be a literal translation, but at the time, the ancients did not know how big the earth was. Whenever you read this in all of the tanakh, it is a reference to the known world. Like When Xeroxes conquered the whole world in Esther/Ezra/Nehemiah, he did not conquer the whole world, just the known world to them, I mean what about the Americas, and what about the nomad arabs that went to the east? The chinese? I don't think that was the case lol.

Patty I think it was who asked about a literal translation of the tanakh with the pictorial hebrew. To my knowledge, no-one has actually done this, but there is a website that actually has this. I have it saved somewhere, I will find it for you if you are interested. But if you would want it with the masoretic hebrew script, you can find this on amazon, although its not the best, because its just some quick printing to make a few bucks, its better to just learn hebrew and get the critical text of the masoretic text and of course the biblical texts of the dead sea scrolls. But I would highly recommend the BHS its one of the best ones, although not all of the dead sea scrolls variant readings are including, but they are updating it, and the new one should be coming out in 2 or 5 years, I forget, its called la quinta. It does get complicated, but this new one, will incoporate the lexingard text as well as the full masoretic text.

Another thing Cybermouse. Torah means teaching/instruction in hebrew. In the new testament yeshua(jesus) speaks of the law of moses, a horrible translation I would say, but that word in greek is nomos which is the word they used in the LXX to translate torah, so in other words...the Torah, is the first five books of the Christian bible. The tanakh is an acroynm for torah navi'im and ketuvim, which is the teaching, the prophets, and the writtings. The old testament for the christians.

Well one last note. I think that one guy, the best, is the reason for much of our horrible past as a society. That kind of mentallity is what drove the vatican into these horrible wars, like the crusades, and burning people at the stake for not allowing people freedom of choice, nazi germany is another one. It's all ignorance really, I am not a christian, I used to be a while ago. But I am quite knowledgeable in the scriptures, and do intend to further my studies in religion to hopefully enlighten people like you one day. What does Paul say in your scriptures? hmmm recall Ephesians 2:8-9? "Be kind to each another tender-heartedly, forgiving each other, even as Christ, for G-d's sake, has forgiven you" I may not be a Christian anymore, but this verse still holds truths in my life, minus the G-d and Christ part. I am not here to force you to believe what I believe, I am just here to discuss and debate if need be, but nothing that would lead to a hateful relationship. I do respect everyone's beliefs.


TRINI TO THE BONE 8 years ago from TRINIDAD & TOBAGO, WEST INDIES

I don't want to be considered an aetheist,but recent findings while reading the bible have made me start to question the accuracy and the writers on the whole teachings but this is not what I wanted to add.While SANSKRIT might be the oldest documented written language I still don't believe it to be the first,history has proven that CHRISTOPHER COLOMBUS to be a damn liar when he said they discovered countries when in fact there were people living there before.Now conserning the birth of the socalled SANSKRIT:early 17th century,the Harappan society declines after 2000bc,1500bc immigrants moved from the mountains northwest as the Aryans spoke an indo-european language that became the source for the SANSKRIT,with iron tools and weapons conquered the earlier inhabitants the DASAS and spread into the eastern Punjab and along the Ganges River valley,which reveiled the priestly class,the BRAHMANS in the literature of the VEDIC SOCIETY,it wasn't until 200bc that Valmiki began to compose the Ramayan.HOMO SAPIANS appeared in Africa 130000 years ago under the PLIOCENE EPOCH,AUSTALOPITHECUS has proven that the first sign of human life originated out of Africa,whereas India broke off from Africa 200000-150000 years ago.Mesepotamia which is now called Iraq were the first to domesticate sheep and dogs for hunting purpose long before the Asians created the first sea going boat 62000 years ago,therefore all know the original language of Iraq is ARABIC and Iraq was part of Africa,Eden is in Africa,the first Neanthertal drawings were found in Iraq and African People true religion was supposed to Muslim and not Christianity and civilization started in Africa it is therefore safe to say that ARABIC was the first language written until proven otherwise.The BIBLE was translated in HEBREW first and then ENGLISH after the DEAD SEA SCROLLS were written in ARABIC.Now conserning the questioning of the Bible it has mostly to with circumstances concerning the death of JUDAS,Matt27:4-8,Acts1:16-20, and to add the OLD TESTIMENT was written in Hebrew and the NEW TESTIMENT in Greek more on these findings visit www.answering.christianity.com ,so I hope this shared some light on the subject ,sorry Hindus you were told wrong imformation from birth


pQsK 8 years ago

Trini to the bone,

Wow. Interesting stuff there. The dead sea scrolls are all in hebrew/aramaic/greek none are in arabic to date, none that have been released to the public at least, and it would not be possible seeing that the arab nomads had nothing to do with those writtings. The qu'ran was written a few centuries after jesus in classic arabic, and it basically has the arab version of what happened in the ancient days. It's actually interesting, if you ever read the qu'ran, there is one race of people described in the torah that we know nothing of, but in the Qu'ran it has the story, because those people were arab.

Anyways. Islam is the religion, and muslim is a believer of islam. It get confusing, you can argue that islam has been around for years, because thats what muslims say, islam means devotion to G-d/Allah. So with that definition it has been around for ages. I don't know if I can agree with you about arabic. But its hard to say. I can argue with the script its a bit more advance than hebrew aramaic and phoenician, due to the fact that arabic is a cursive language. But that means nothing, because thats script not the language, hebrew and arabic are cousin languages, that is true. You can see it with words as salam/shalom ente/attah abba/babba etc...If you ask an arab they probably would tell you the same thing, but ask a jew the same. I really don't think this is the case, if you read my earlier post you can see why. But, I most certainly won't rule it out. I could be totally wrong, and you could be right.

I don't know too much about arabs, but one final note...if we go with your theory, it is known (not 100% fact though) that when ishmael and hagar left abram they went to the east, and all the decendants(of which they say are arab) became nomads, and so there is no history of the arabs just traditions passed down and later recorded in the qu'ran. So if this is true, then your theory is flawed, because if hagar and abram spoke arabic, they would have kept that language. If you read the hebrew pictorials, you can understand the tanakh better, for example the word hallel means to praise, in the hebrew pictorial it is spelled HLL the "H" is a man with his hands up in the air (similar to our h...makes u think) and the to "L"'s are shepards staffs, so hallel means to praise because the pictures say it...a shepard putting his hands in the air. the oldest arabic script we have is from 1ce i believe it is. So if we go with this, the arabs did not write their language down till much later, and so how would the jews write their bible without this script?


TRINI TO THE BONE 8 years ago from TRINIDAD & TOBAGO, WEST INDIES

pQsk

;seems to me that you have a little bit of knowledge of the bible but you are forgeting that before MOSES wrote the Laws of the Torah(Hebrew)means instruction,in the Hebrew Bible the first book was called BERESHITH meaning in the beginning,a name taken from the opening words of the book.the english bible follows the Greek bible made in Alexandria in the third century and calls it Genesis meaning "source".Abram came long after Enoch(gen4:17-18)Seth(gen4:25,gen5:1-32).The red sea was formed in about 20,000000 years ago with the seperation of Arabia from Africa.Seth,Enoch,Mahalaleel are all names of arabic decent,Abram came after the fall of the Babel tower and the confusing of tongues.Now about the writing of the Quran it is from the early 17th century but it still doesn't prove that the Arabic language is not the first language ever written,so to say the Bible was 3rd century,Sanskrit 17th century,Quran 17th century,Moses 1300bc,Aramaic 300bc,Greek1500bc,So as to say what was the beginning shall be the end.One last thing drawings is a form of writing too and the very first writings or drawings were recorded from the Neantherthals in Iraqian caves


pQsK 8 years ago

Yes I knew that all that. But names in the tanakh, whichever text it is, does not prove anything, but thats another subject entirely. I am not saying hebrew was the first language, I do not believe this at all, neither do I believe arabic to be, it would not make sense, in my opinion that is. But you do make valid points about the written arabic. If the romans would have successfully destroyed all of the 2nd temple, I'm sure we would have lost all of the hebrew, and we would have a similar debate about the hebrew written form. :-)


TRINI TO THE BONE 8 years ago from TRINIDAD & TOBAGO, WEST INDIES

pQsk .............let's forget about the neanthertals etc, it's true the romans did destroy the 2nd temple but the first temple was built in 2500bc in the Babylonian city Nippur where it was filled with clay tablets which also was the first library in the Mesopotamian territory.In 3500bc the egyptians developed the first known system of writing which consisted of hieroglyphic symbols that represented objects,sounds and ideas(egyptian language arabic "semitic language").3010bc Cuneiform (wedge shape)writing is invented by the Sumerians in Uruk(ancient city of southern Mesopotamia,Iraq) consisting of about 1400 symbols which was used to record goods and transactions on clay tablets...........As for Kalki,Naga,Akshat Pandey, Sudesh Anand and Vimalan Munusamy on their little comment of the subject,at the beginning of the Indus Valley cilvilizatin, writing first appeared in south asia at Harappa which was't until 1500bc and that's when Hinduism was created,450bc Nyaya philosophy develops,400bc Panini writes sanskrit grammar, 200bc--200ad the Bhagavad-gita was writen.So it is safe to say that everything started in Africa and will return to Africa.To put in another way Semitic languages:-arabic, being the intermediate transportation from other languages to english ,hebrew, aramaic, maltese, amharic, Sanskrit is not a Semitic language. Try using the encarta 2008 dictionary to look up these words....................................................................


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

pQsK - I haven't had time to read any of your comments except the first one, but I completely disagree that one cannot learn the ancient Hebrew language. It is no different than learning Spanish. The claim that we cannot know what the original authors wrote is completely unfounded and illogical. If you need proof of this, take any basic class in Biblical Theology and Ethics, or a class in basic logic for that matter. I am in such a class right now in my current semester in college, and we thoroughly covered the subject of ancient languages being reliable if one puts forth enough effort to learn them. If you need live proof, I would be more than happy to introduce you to my Bible professor, Dr. Rapinchuk, the one who owns a copy of the Tanakh. It's important to realize that one's knowledge about such things (such as ancient languages) might be incorrect. For instance, you wouldn't debate the theory of relativity with Einstein--no one did. This is because the man knew what he was talking about. If a chemist were to show me a picture of a glucose molecule, I wouldn't debate with him or her whether or not it is really a picture of a glucose molecule, because the chemist obviously knows much more than I do about it. Similarly, it would be foolish to debate the reliability of an ancient language with a Bible professor who knows and fluently speaks in ancient languages. I admit that I stated the names of things (Torah, Pentateuch) incorrectly, as it's been four semesters since I took Biblical Survey and learned what they were all called. I couldn't remember the word "Tanakh" but that is what I meant when I said "Torah" and "Pentateuch." I realize they are not the same thing, and again, I meant to say "Tanakh" as you rightly corrected me to do.


TRINI TO THE BONE 8 years ago from TRINIDAD & TOBAGO, WEST INDIES

cybermouse.........................I would agree with you that anyone can learn any language but you cannot base your facts on something is being thought in a class room without questioning the evidence,therefore if someone is to tell you that the bull full is to believe.11000bc Mesopotamian civilization domesticated sheep and other small animals.4200bc was the dawn of Sumerian civilization(sounthern part of Mesopotamia)and in 3600bc that the biblical city of Uruk(Erech..hebrew translation in the Tanakh)was founded.TANAKH "sacred book of Judaism".Judaism developed following the exile of the Judeans to Babylonia in 586bc,It originates as a confederation of hebrew tribes sharing one common belief in one god Yahweh.400-500bc the Talmud,a body of the Jewish law an commentary on the Torah is first complied and consisted of the Mishnah(codification of laws)and the Gemara(commentary on the Mishnah).2 compilations existed:1st Palestine, 2nd Babylonian,the palestinian talmud was written in west Aramaic and the babylonian was written in east Aramaic,of the 2nd the babylonian was more intensive and elaborate.The terms Judaism and religion do not exist in premodern Hebrew.Christianity originated as one among several competing Jewish ideologies in the 1st century Palestine gods and Islam,these religions had an impact on the subsequent history on Judaism.................................. civilization started in Africa but it is hard for the world to say that because whites did not originate from there,even Aramaic was before Hebrew .The bible was written in many other languages before translated in hebrew.


pQsK 8 years ago

Trini to the bone: I am just curious where you came up with the arabic language being the ancient egyptians mother tongue? What class did you take where you learned this? what book did you read? what professor teaches this, or what scholars say this because I have never heard of this ever. Last I heard (and the majority of what I have read to present) was that coptic was the closest thing we know to what the ancient egyptians spoke, but the coptic we know now is just the "last phase" of that dead language. I don't disagree with you on civilizations coming from africa, one would be dumb to make this assumption, but about arabic being the original language and being spoken the same as today is absurd. I would really love to know where you got this info, and I hope its not something like wikipedia. And also how the tanakh was written in several languages before being translated into hebrew, I really have not heard of this, not even from secular scholars. Where are these sources really? Not even Dr. Feather with his crazy theories has gone that route, although I do agree with most of his research.

Cybermouse, I apologize, I must have not come across correctly, yes I know anyone can learn the tanakh, my question is, can some-one learn this with out a commentary? If you learn modern hebrew/aramaic, would someone be able to read the tanakh perfectly without that commentary to give you the background on the culture and the way of thinking? The language has changed so much over the years that it's not even the same, hebrew is only around because ancient jews decided they wanted to revive the dead language. And it is true what trini says. Christianity, in my opinion, stems more from the Essens, which if you read their writtings and compare it to the gospels and all of paul's letters, they make much more sense. You should check them out sometime you would be quite amazed especially the gospel of john, that has "essen" written all over it. There is even the prophesy in matthew that scholars have debated over years, I forget the chapter and verse, but it speaks of a prophesy of a nazarene which is not in the tanakh, but there is a similar prophesy with the essen scriptures, which points to the Jesus movement more to the essen's, although he was against them. In any case that is my opinion, there is still a lot more research to be done on the subject. But read some of Dr. Feather's stuff, it opens eyes, but some of his theories are off the wall.


Zola 8 years ago

Hi guys fascinating how we all think with the constraints of our own society and language. Aboriginal people came to australia 40000 years ago give or take 5000 years ( as far as i can acertain from the most recent research on the african diaspora) These peoples lived in australia in relative isolation since that time. Chances are there language or language group, some still spoken today are 40, 000 years old. Also there many animals have rudimentary language elephants whales and dolphins definitely do, i would assume they are millions of years old.


Jangjoo 8 years ago

Greetings to all!

Firstly can I receommend a book by an author named Edward Horowitz ' HOW THE HEBREW LANGUAGE BEGAN', it is very defined in it's presentation for all language students. I have read all the comments posted and felt that the current world setting poses a threat to the very essence of language as jargon and abbreviations abound. The media smothers us with slogans, phrases, and new terminology which varies from people to people. My point in this is I feel we have lost the seincerity and character of language which has been thrown aside by an invading culture of Globalism. The argument from the Indian subcontinent about sanskrit and tamil and other languages being older than hebrew is missing the mark. Mankind is not evolving mankind is suffering a decline. From Babel to the New Babel - the new world order, Sanskrit being the oldest language, which by the way has links to Latin, Greek and Persian. In india a lot of people are not using original words in their correct usage for example 'Farsh' in India means 'Floor' but in Persia it means 'Carpet or Rug'. Here's an interesting question, if Sanskrit is older than Hebrew let's look at the word for 'One' Sanskrit - 'Ekam', Hebrew - 'Echad' Which came first, they both sound the same! To understand a people we need to understand the language they speak, unfortunately in this declining world, I would like to know the Language God speaks, as he uses all languages equally does he not! Maranatha!


Jangjoo 8 years ago

The above book is titled ' How the Hebrew language grew' by Edward Horowitz,. sorry my mistake!


Hari 8 years ago

I think world's oldest is language is SANSKRIT


jagdish gohil 8 years ago

according to me,the oldest language is 'bhramalipi' and the 'jains' had 23 'thirthkoro' and the 24th thirthkoro had 'lord mahavir'...the 1st thirthkar had 'lord rushabh dev' and he had a daughter named 'brahmi' who founded the script 'brahmalipi'...this language has said to be the earliest to date before the jains (jainism)...and the last thirthkoro(24th) had lord mahavir who is supposed to be worshiped by the jains till date....lord mahavir's existence is known to date back 2500 years from now,each thirthkoro has an average span of 100000(yes,one hudnred thousand years!),so this language,namely,'brahamlipi' is said to be the oldest instead of 'sanksrit'


James 8 years ago

Ok, I have am late into this but I have to let “the one” know about a verse in the bible that he seemed to defend and believe in. Matthew 5:22 But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. If anyone wants to respond go ahead I will never read it so have fun venting or arguing whatever. I will start for you (that is judging and you will be judged by the same measure). Wrong I am not judging that word is offensive to God and me.


James 8 years ago

Sorry the name was "The Best" not "the one"


Naga 8 years ago

Hi,

A very long discussion.....I doubt that the oldest language might have a name (or the name exists now)!! Since the existence of Life started in the world, there needed some form of communication. We need to be firmly believe that the written language came before the visit of spoken languages. Yes... at first the humans used to write or draw the figures to communicate with their fellow beings....Thus written form came before spoken form of languages...Probably the first language might be called differently from what we have the names of language fossils which we have now a days. The oldest language might not sustain in the same name...Even not seperately, without the adulteratied with other languages....That language might got diluted in more than one forms...that is one or more language forms. Also we need to clarify that speech is different from language...A bird or any animal could able to imitate human voice...The main thing in our context should be that the language is the sum of scripting, grammer and spoken dialect....the soul of the language is said to be its dialect but the body is its script.....what u say?


mavericksims 8 years ago

cybermouse,

Aside from the fact that you pose none of your conclusions in a scientific manner, your conclusions ARE ALL WRONG. Your reasons for believing and your proof that Hebrew is the oldest known language still in use today is, and I quote, "Hebrew is the oldest known language still in use today. In factit is more widely used than all otherancient languages. If it was the first language, it would make sense that it is still in use. Why would the worlds first language ever fall out of use?"

Is this really your deep scientific reasoning and conclusions? Really? I find nothing even remotely scientific or interesting about your conclusions.

Also, about your conclusions about yahweh and carbon and man; what does a mythalogical god have to do with language? God DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!! Don't even bring that crap up in this forum. Just because mommy and daddy wasted their money on sending little Johnnie to an institute of mythalogical (theological)learning and little Johnnie had ONE class in languages does not make him qualified to stick his nose into the circle where qualified (and undeluded) linguists and people with real qualified opinions gather to INNTELLIGENTLY discuss scientific matters. So, go sit your silly ass back at the kiddy table. Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids.


Joe 8 years ago

A fine example and demonstration of religious fundamentalism's ignorance and arrogance. Thaks for the lesson.


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

mavericksims,

Unlike you, I do not believe that science is the only way to gain truth and understanding about the universe. It used to be that logic and reasoning were perfectly sufficient to explain things, but now if it isn't scientific then it's wrong, which is a bunch of baloney. Also, in response to your "don't even bring that crap up in this forum" ignorance, this is MY FORUM, buddy. I wrote the hub, and you chose to comment on my hub. I'll bring up whatever I want to in my hubs, and if you don't like it, there's not a whole lot you can do about it. Besides, nothing you said in your comment was any more scientific or provable than anything I said in my hub. Who decided that science was the ONLY place to gain truth and understanding from, and why did anyone listen to them? You provided no scientific explanation to back your opinion that God does not exist, and yet you expect me to provide explanations for my beliefs. You also insulted me personally and compared me to a little kid. It sounds to me like you're the one who ought to examine your own beliefs and grow up a little bit. Insulting people whose opinions differ from yours is for 3rd graders, bud. Adults should know how to intelligently discuss (as you mentioned but did not do) topics like this. You said you found nothing interesting in my hub, and yet you commented on it anyway rather than ignoring it. Now THAT'S what I find interesting.


Some Random guy 8 years ago

Just to put some more thought into this. How is it known that the first language was verbal or written at all? I cant remember the exact numbers, but isn’t it that a larger percentage of language is non verbal or to put in better perspective body language? Just a thought ponder. And didn’t God give us self awareness to understand language and interpret it, and our surroundings? And in the end is language an interpretation of our selves and everything around us?

Oh and by the way nice hub, I like to read other people's interpretations of existence to help me better understand mine. Thanks


darrenb5 8 years ago

It look like you might be trying to use faith to help solve a scientific problem. Folks have tried to do that for centuries and the results are, well, not the best. You end up with the sun revolving around the earth, disease caused by "humours," that sort of thing. No matter how well intentioned, faith and religion have almost never done a good job of explaining the natural world.

On the other hand, science can't explain faith or why we're here.  It doesn't even try.

If you want to know about biology, physics, or - in this case - linguistics, look to science. In other words, science can send us to the moon, but religion offers an explanation for what the moon means.

So about the oldest language? We'll never know. It would have died out long ago before writing was invented. No language lasts forever!


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Cybermouse 8 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

darrenb5, all I can say to that is that the Bible has taught me a lot more about life and the universe and everything than science has. Science as you said cannot give us a reason for existence, nor can it offer a solution as to why evil exists or why it seems wrong to begin with. The Bible and "religion" have known the answers to all these questions for centuries. Although I don't think of it as a religion at all. I can't stand when people use the word religion--it sounds so fake and intangible. What I do as a Christian based on my beliefs in God I would describe more as a relationship. Yes it may be difficult to have a relationship with a being who can't be physically percieved, but He listens to us when we pray and we can listen to Him by reading His word. Just because it is beyond our current understanding or our scientific ability to prove doesn't make it wrong. Something is only wrong when it is proven wrong, and I personally have seen much more solid evidence behind Christianity than anything science has offered. As far as the oldest language, I am not using faith to prove anything. I'm using the Bible, which is documented, historical evidence. Approximately one-third of the Bible is historical fact, not "religion." Just because the other two-thirds aren't history doesn't mean the history that is in the Bible never happened.


Thinker 7 years ago

Cybermouse, I agree with you that THE BESTs way of communication instills a rebellious thinking that makes people want to believe the opposite of THE BESTs spewings. If anyone here has read any type of philosophy or debate, they will agree that logic and reasoning prevail over emotion and shouting at any time.

As for the worlds oldest language I am unsure. I believe that the spoken form is not recorded or known expect maybe to God. Following a christian view point, I believe the first means of communication was telepathically. God spoke to Adam and Eve through their minds according to the bible. And is it not true that I can think of a word in my mind and yet not say it? I believe the mind can convey emotions and feelings as well, and because of this communication was more intimate and efficient. For this reason, I think that the mouth and tongue were used primarily for eating and drinking, while the mind was used to communicate. Perhaps the voicebox originated when the telepathical type of communication was lost. Because i believe that evolution is real to an extent, maybe the larynx was evolved over time as the need to communicate orally arose. As for when this method of communication was lost I will attempt to say, for I am unsure myself.

Other than that, great hub Cybermouse, it sparked a legion of interesting and mind-boggling thoughts.


piyush verma 7 years ago

hi friends

i think that sanskrit is the oldest language,the reason is that vedas have been written in sanskrit and rig veda has been included in the list of world's heritage list due to oldest written proof.As hindu gods used to talk in sanskrit and vedas had been written thousands of years after hindu god's existance or you can say origin of hindu religion which itself is oldest religion on the earth so it clearly indicates that sanskrit is the oldest language on earth.

think seriously that nothing is included in world's heritage list without proof & research. otherwise god has given mouth to everyone & everyone can tell that his language is oldest bye.


Vidhallah 7 years ago

i like the whole debate on which was the first language

but i personally think it wass Sanskrit, the oldest religon is hinduism and so hindu gods spoke in sanskrit! but its not right to always follow science because we r just humans and there are millions of things we still haven't discovered and only GOD has the answer to all of them!

but this doesn't mean we humans are stupid it just means that we cant always rely on science..watever god has made, has made for good!

we cant change anything other then how we view things.

try to look at things in Wisdoms point of view and not as a mortal human


raj 7 years ago

The above discussions are interesting. But, the fact that worlds oldest language or the worlds latest language cannot change our fate.

Our fate is in our hands. We are the outcome of our own deeds.

So, please go back to work.


Naga 7 years ago

The below are the six Unmatched Features of Sanskrit.....go and read it..... The perfection of the pronunciation (of the consonants and the vowels) and the uniqueness of the grammar that stays the same in all the ages from the very beginning of human civilization and up till today are such features which prove that Sanskrit is not manmade; it is a Divine gift to the people of this world. The following six examples demonstrate some of the unique features of Sanskrit that distinguishes it from other languages of the world. (1) The vowel-consonant pronunciation of the alphabet The most striking feature of the Sanskrit language is the vowel-consonant pronunciation of the alphabet and the uniqueness of every consonant (or its combination) as a complete syllabic unit when it is joined with a vowel. For example: Its 16 vowels are the actual 'voice pattern' of the sound and 36 consonants are only the 'form' of the 'voice pattern' of the sound. So a consonant alone cannot be pronounced as it is only a 'form' of the 'voice pattern' until it is attached to a vowel. Thus, a vowel, which itself is a 'voice pattern,' can be pronounced or it can be modulated by adding a consonant to it .This system was not adopted in the languages of the world. Thus, their syllables have no uniformity. For example, in come and coma 'co' has two different pronunciations, and in come and kind or kiss, the letter 'c' and 'k' both have the same pronunciation.In Sanskrit, the basic structure of its vowel-consonant pronunciation is the unique foundation of the language that precisely stabilizes the word pronunciation where each letter (or a combination of consonants with a vowel) is a syllable. (2) Formation of the Sanskrit words The second unmatched feature is the formation of the Sanskrit words. Since the beginning there was a complete dictionary of root words called dhatu that could create any number of words based on the requirement by adding a proper prefix and suffix described in detail in the Sanskrit grammar. There are 90 forms (conjugations) for every verb to be used in the 10 tenses and 21 forms for other words. The formation, modulation and creation of words have been originally the same, in an absolutely perfect state since the beginning, as they are today. (3) The uniqueness of the grammar The most impressive uniqueness of the Sanskrit grammar is that, along with the Sanskrit language, it is unchanged in every age because it is a Divinely produced grammar. Its conjugation system, word formation and the style of poetry formation are all unique, unchanged and perfectly detailed since it appeared on the earth planet through the descended Saints. Take a line of the Yajurved, There is a noun janah (people), and verb gachcòhanti (to go into) which is formed of gam dhatu (to go), like, gachcòhati, gachcòhatah, gachcòhanti. All the 90 conjugations of the verb gaccòh (to go) and all the 21 forms of the noun jan (people) are used in the same way without any change in the Vedas, in the Puranas and in other Sanskrit literature as well, because they are ever perfect without any sound shift. The Sanskrit language represents the literal form of the Divinity on the earth planet. (4) The style of literary presentation The three styles of Sanskrit are: (a) the Vedas (sanhita), (b) the Upnishads and (c) the Puranas. All of them were reproduced during the same period before 3102 BC. But their literature has its own style. The difference in the style and the uses of words in all the three kinds of scriptures does not mean any evolution or improvement in the vocabulary.Vedic verses do not use the full range of words as is used in the Puranas because the Vedic verses are mainly the invocation mantras for the celestial gods and that too for ritualistic purposes, not for the devotion to supreme God. So they don't need too many words to relate a mantra. The language of the Bhagwat Mahapuran is very scholarly, poetic and rich as it explains the richest philosophy of God, God's love and God realization along with its other affiliated theories. The language of the other 17 Puranas is less rich. The language of the Upnishads sometimes leans towards the Vedic sanhita side. The peculiar characteristic of the Vedas can be observed in the tenth canto, chapter 87, of the Bhagwat Mahapuran where the Vedas themselves are offering their homage to supreme God Krishn. The whole chapter is like this, grammatically perfect, but it is a kind of twisted and uncharming style of language. This is the style and the character of the Vedas (the sanhita). All the chapters of the Bhagwatam, before and after this particular chapter, have elegant literary presentation but this particular chapter, which is in the style of the language of the Vedas, stands out with its own peculiarity. The difference in the literary presentation of the Vedic sanhita and the Puranas has their own nature and style and do not relate to their seniority or juniority. (5) The apbhranshIn every society there are many classes of people. Some are educated, some are less educated and some are much less educated. Accordingly, the quality of their speech differs. Thus, during the time of Ved Vyas, when Sanskrit was the spoken language of India, there may have been some people who spoke a localized form of less perfect Sanskrit. As time went on a new language developed in the Bihar area of North India which was a combination of the localized dialect with the apbhransh words of Sanskrit. The pronunciation of the Sanskrit word changes when it is spoken by the people who are less educated or not educated in the Sanskrit language, and then such words permanently enter into their locally spoken language. These, partly mispronounced words, are called the apbhransh. Just like the words teen and sat are the apbhransh of the Sanskrit words trai and sapt which mean three and seven. It was called the Pali language in which the teachings of Gautam Buddh were written around 1800 BC. Still, Sanskrit remained the spoken language of the literary class of India at least up to the time of Shankaracharya.When Shankaracharya went to have an audience with Mandan Mishra he found two parrots in two cages that were hung in front of his house. They were happily uttering Sanskrit phrases, which they had memorized by listening to the scriptural discussions that were usually happening in the house. All over India Shankaracharya debated in Sanskrit language wherever he went. It was around 500 BC.That was the time when the Greek and Latin languages were in the course of their development. Trade communications between India, Persia, Mesopotamia, Syria and Greece were already well established. The stories of the Puranas and the Bhagwatam had already reached, in a broken form, into those countries which they then adopted in their society and incorporated into their religious mythology. The Iliad and the Odyssey in their earliest and incomplete forms were composed around 600 BC, and later on certain Sanskrit apbhransh words were added in the Greek and Latin languages. (6) Sanskrit, the scriptural language up till today Sanskrit is the language of Bhartiya scriptures. It is also the language of the Divine abodes. The word 'language' is termed as bhasha in Sanskrit. Thus, the bhasha of Vaikunth abode in its original form descended on the earth planet through Brahma in the form of the Vedas and the Puranas and all of its affiliates and branches along with its grammar. First it was called the bhasha as it was the only language of India, literary and spoken both. Later on, when its offshoots developed, it began to be called the Sanskrit bhasha (Sanskrit language) to distinguish it from the other local languages that used the apbhransh words of Sanskrit mixed with their locally spoken tongue. For convenience, these local languages were called the 'prakrit' languages by the history writers. Sanskrit maintained the glory of eternal Bhartiya scriptures in its perfect linguistic representation since its appearance on the earth planet. If someone's conscience fails to comprehend the eternal authent


noone 7 years ago

Very interesting hub. I really do not understand how God/Christianity/Universe/Hebrew/Sunskrit/DNA actually fit into the origin of a language. But i would say DNA makes the most sense. Mathematics is language of the universe. The wonders of the univese are decipered on the concepts of mathematics. DNA is a very complex thing, with very complex over and undertones. The universe is def. desinged now to prove that we as faithfuls and atheasts can all live together without the retarded comments of the korean chritian extremist. Catholism or the early church of God as we evolved as humans wanted to control everything and that being the reason for their reason in everything. As for the techonological advancement over the past 200 years is due to fact we are over accelerating over thought process. For example the atom collider, it took years to build and it will take years to fully undersatnd but for future generations (our grandkids) for them it will be taught as part of their studies. Now because they are given that high quaility of understand at a young age they are free to explore more ideas leading to more discoveries Christinaity has nothing to do with the way we think. As for Hebrew being the first lauguage i disagree, you have very creativly found a link between two words ( do you want a lollipop) Example, words in sankrit are similar to words spoken in latin/persian/celtic. Oh well who cares, back then ppl migrated and took native/tribal languages with them until someone smarter then them decided to use it and take credit for it. The idea of a Euro-Indo language as being the first makes sense as ppl travelled/migrated and adopted each other languges and added to it just like my idea of teaching our grandkids as you learn more the easier it is to learn something new. I know i haven t edited this post but DNA probabaly is the most evidental proof of us being formed from some supreme being or a (dying species or super species = our great universal ancestors) and the only way for them to live was thru DNA and it is thru DNA that they have survived. Everywhere you look you see the concept of life and death with it comes the idea of SURVIVING. Basically trying to live trying to be free trying to see another day trying to keep going. Isn't that what humans/earth is all about. Now this has turned into something bigger than i wanted to and i hope some responses to my theory of A SUPER BEING or better yet UNIVERSAL ANCESTORS from another galaxy/universe wahtevers out there who knows ...


noone 7 years ago

This is my personal theory on how the universe was created.

There was a huge PLANET maybe like earth but million times bigger with a million different species living on it peacefully. One day a retarded extrimist blew it up and the BIG BANG happened. After the big bang all those species living (for our discussion purposes i will call it) Planet 1 had a genetic code written inside of them as a form of code to survive. Now as galaxies formed and planet formed the pieces of DNA which were frozen in time finally landed on our planet just like other planets all over the universe and with it came all these differente species who are yet to think intellectually like us humans but somewhere else on another planet out there in another galaxy or in our own there might be a planet ruled by birds who speak who have faith but will never know the truth and we won 't either. But we can only imagin that is the reason why we have brains of which we only use about 8 % or so i believe and i could be wrong ...


Mike 7 years ago

Hebrew is not the oldest language still in use today. Greek, Tamil, and Chinese are just a few that are older or as old still in use today.


Cheryl Allison 7 years ago from Orange County, California

Since it is NOT POSSIBLE to definitively PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt which ancient civilization created the first written language, let's all focus on the more important issue: the need for common global language. Without effective communication between the common people of all nations, we will continue to have senseless wars started by corrupt, greedy, and sometimes INSANE governmental leaders who put their lust for power and control before the interests of the people they represent. How long do you think women in Africa would be sexually mutilated or women in Afganistan would be butchered in "honor" killings if there were a common language through which the basic code of human decency could be transmitted? While each of you defend the religious belief system and the God you were born to accept and worship, millions of people, particularly women, are enslaved in nations that have not progressed beyond ignorant cave dwellers. Why is there such a drastic disparity between the residents of New York City, USA, and primitive tribes in the darkest regions of Africa and Australia? It is because the barriers of human language have prevented them from rising above their own destructive ignorance. Communication is the key to peace, but only if the human family is joined in at least one common language. By the way, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord of Lord and king of Kings, and I am thankful that Christianity is NOT today a barbaric, intolerant religion that enslaves people, but actually sets them free from earthly governments. If you have to believe in a "God" or need something to worship, ask yourself this question: What kind of "God" requires you to bomb, maim, kill, torture, or beat unbelievers into accepting your brand of religion? If YOUR god is nothing more than a cowardly serial killer who uses "suicide bombers" or people like YOU to do his dirty work, then you better rethink what kind of "God" you are worshiping. SATAN is the author of murder, chaos, cruelty, intolerance, and the lowest form of human evil. Get out of ANY religion that traces its current practice of recruiting members by forcing people into submission or wanton killing. YOU are actually worshiping SATAN, and his language is all too familiar in the world today. Help get rid of this cancer among civilized human beings by being tolerant of all faiths in your community, and work toward at least one common language among us.


Cheryl Allison 7 years ago from Orange County, California

To: Cybermouse

Your commentary on the Bible, the Hebrew language, and its relationship to the periodic table is facinating, and yes: it is more than a mere coincidence. Thanks for your insight and putting forth such an interesting analysis.


sara 7 years ago

i cant believe you actually think hebrew is the oldest??? the oldest language that is still spoken today is Farsi!!! look it up. sanskrit is older but only a handful of people still speak it for historical purposes. LEARN YOUR WORLD HISORY


sara 7 years ago

Greek? Chinese? Are you kidding me?? This mike guy needs to open up a world atlas


Srikanth 7 years ago

Hey guys gud topic for discussion. But y did Philosophy or Religion come into dis. And dont think I'm an atheist. I'm a firm believer in GOD. NO DOUBT abot dat. But dat doesn't make me blind to SCIENCE n REALITY. God doesn't think we r FOOLS. After al, v r HIS Prime Creatures. HE didn't create evrythin in an instance n wanted us to beliv it. Evrythin evolved slowly n steadily. Lik d single atom 4m where it al came. And dats wat science tels us. But how cud dis atom come al of a sudden. Dats where d GOD comes in. He made dis atom and wanted it to evolve, create a BIG BANG, form d Universe, Galaxies, Stars, Planets n Ultimately His Dear Ones, Us, d Human Beings. So dis is it. Science n Faith goin in hand with hand harmoniously. And guys, GOD n Science are not entirely two different things. Dey r lik d two faces of d same coin. God created evrythin accordin to certain plan, certain rules. And these rules are our science. Its lik a computer executing its tasks according to a program built 4 it. Evrythin happenin on dis world is with some reason n some rules for a cause set by a Supreme Being. No fruit can fall off a tree by just magic, U hav to climb d tree up to pick it. Science just explains how a thing occurs, but y did it occur, cant b answerd.. Its only Faith dat can expain it.

And of now comin to d main topic 'OLDEST LANGUAGE OF D WORLD'. Now evryone needs ground to stand upon, we cant stand on air. Likwise we need a proof to beliv somethin. And considerin d proofs n records we can come to a conclusion dat der r MAINLY 4 languages to dis status GREEK, LATIN. SAMSKRIT n TAMIL. And again shortlistin it, v get Samskrit n Tamil as d contenders.. Now ppl supportin these 2 languages put forth their own explainations n proofs. Mainly d aryan invasion of the Indus civilization and the existence of a Proto-Dravidian language wich is the Old-Tamil even b4 the invasion. But no record of such things happenin were ever found. But al v hav is d Rigveda(oldest Samskrit literature) n d Tholkappium n Some carvings on stones(oldest tamil literature), wich suggest both des languages existed n flourished centuries b4 dat.. Now pin pointin at a xact time wen these languages were born is very difficult or almost impossible. So lets leve it to time n d GOD to reveal it.. Until den v cant say wich one is d oldest. Lets Wait n See..

THANKING YOU.........

.....................SRIKANTH.................


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Cybermouse 7 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

sara, you said that the oldest language is Farsi and that I should "look it up." I'm curious where I should go to obtain such information. Also, do not be so alarmed when someone else's opinion is different from yours. This does not necessarily mean that I don't care for your opinion or even that I disagree with you. The whole reason that I included the word "theory" in the title of this hub was so people wouldn't get all uppity about it, which they did anyway. A theory is a simple statement of what someone believes to be the truth to the best of their knowledge, which is what this hub is for me. I didn't call it "the ultimate and definitive truth about the oldest language that you should believe too unless you're a moron." Based on your reaction, however, I might as well have called it that. I am not trying to force my opinions on you. YOU'RE the one who decided to read my hub, after all.

srikanth, I like what you said about leaving it to God to reveal what the oldest language is. That is largely my own opinion on the matter. Why, then, did I write this hub? I actually only wrote it because I saw a request for it in the request blog, and I thought had read enough about the subject to have an opinion on it. And thank you in return.


petebob 7 years ago

In the 15 months since the first comment, nobody has commented that, in the periodic table of the elements, H is the letter for Hydrogen - element 1. N is the letter for Nitrogen.


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Cybermouse 7 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

petebob, read a little bit closer. If you're talking about the English mapping of the table of elements, you would be correct. I know that N is the letter for Nitrogen just as well as anybody. In the Hebrew mapping, however, which is the one I was referring to, the letter H is in the same numeric position as the element Nitrogen in the periodic table. Thus, it is used to represent Nitrogen in Hebrew, but not English.


TG 7 years ago

Hebrew?? That is an absurd notion that Hebrwe is the olderst written language. Any textual scholar would laugh that notion off the face of the Earth.


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Cybermouse 7 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

What does one say to that? Well, I laugh you off the face of the Earth back. I never said that Hebrew is the oldest "written" language. In several of my comments I made it clear that this is NOT my theory. My theory is that Hebrew is the OLDEST language, regardless of when its writing system was adopted. Any textual scholar should have easily been able to determine that by reading more carefully. I do not consider a language's written form; all I'm concerned with are the sounds and syllables that make up the spoken form of the language, and all the evidence I've seen so far, to the best of my knowledge, leads me to believe that the oldest spoken language is Hebrew. Just because I have a theory doesn't mean I'm asking you to believe it too. It means I have seen no evidence that my theory is incorrect, and nothing more.


teresa 7 years ago

I agree with you that Hebrew is the first language humans ever spoke. The Bible also agrees with you and what you say about God name is very interesting, although I don't know if it really is so, but why not? All names have meanings and origins. Here is some information on how human languages from one Hebrew became so many...........

How Human Languages Began to Multiply

Language scholars estimate that today there are about three thousand spoken languages used on the earth. Some are spoken by hundreds of millions of persons, others by a few hundred. How did all these come about? Bible history alone explains the origin of this diversity in human languages.

Up until some point after the global flood of Noah’s day, all mankind “continued to be of one language and of one set of words.” (Gen. 11:1) The Bible indicates that the language later called “Hebrew” was the original “one language.” It preceded all other languages. But this does not mean that all other languages stemmed from and are related to Hebrew. Then where did the other languages get their start?

The Genesis account describes the uniting of some part of the post-Flood human family in a project opposed to God’s will. Instead of spreading out and ‘filling the earth,’ they wanted to centralize human society. They concentrated on a site that became known as the plains of Shinar in Mesopotamia. Evidently this was also to become a religious center, with a religious tower. (Gen. 9:1; 11:2-4) However, Almighty God broke up their project. He did this by confusing their common language. This made impossible any coordinated work on their project. It led to their scattering to all parts of the earth.—Gen. 11:6-9.

Available non-Biblical evidence is in harmony with this account. Concerning the focal point from which the spreading of ancient languages began, Sir Henry Rawlinson, Oriental language scholar, observed: “If we were to be guided by the mere intersection of linguistic paths, and independently of all reference to the Scriptural record, we should still be led to fix on the plains of Shinar, as the focus from which the various lines had radiated.”


madan 7 years ago

Sanskrit is thought to be the oldest language in the world. But on the contrary it is TAMIL that is the oldest language and it is still alive today. History says that Sanskrit language originated from the Aryan civilization who invaded India and drove the existing dravidians down south of India. The oldest dravidian language is TAMIL which has history of about 6000 years to 7000 years B.C. It's an irrefutable fact.


Horusofoz 7 years ago

Returning to the original question, I feel the languages of the Australian Aboriginal peoples are likely to be far older than that of the Hebrew language. That is as a Spoken language. The cultures of these diverse peoples are arguably the oldest living in the world. And yes they are still widely spoken among the remote and urban Aboriginal communities.

The Hebrew language though undoubtedly ancient cannot be traced back as far as that of the Fisrt Australians. What bits of the language can be are not Hebrew but a "language" or "root words" from which Hebrew is a derivative.

I wish to state my agreement with earlier posters that the First language spoken by man or his ancestors cannot Yet be ascertained. We can only theorise what is the oldest of those we have knowledge of. Hebrew is not it.


Francis 7 years ago

It is fact that Sanskrit is the oldest language why because according to the Archiological survey .. it has been decided by the experts that it is exists more than 7000 BC, and answer to the language Sanskrit why few people speak is this is the most diffuclt & toughest language to learn which required at least 5 years to learn such a vast language, even i think hebrew doesn't have such vastness.


Horusofoz 7 years ago

Please note that the Australian Aboriginal culture has been archaeologically proven to have existed for 40-50 thousand years. Though not a written language until the country was conquered by the European invaders, the spoken language is older than Sanskrit, archaeologically speaking.


ram to 7 years ago

Guys, Especially 3 people on whom I would say over kill it a bit. (Tamil, Hebrew and Sanskrit). Even if one of these languages were really old, some fo the over enthusiastic claims and patriotic fervour removes any legitimacy based on these ''facts". Somebody write with real knowledge.


drummer 7 years ago

What about our GENETIC written history, the history written in our genes which shows that we are all Africans who emigrated out of Africa no longer than 30.000 years ago!! Indeed the first indian families to have migrated from Africa have even been located. Their genetic history shows they are relted to a precise African nation.

Hebrew, Sanskrit or Arabic are all derivatives of different African languages.

All humans being genetically Africans, maybe all these languages claim is their ancestry to the Mother Continent.


Curtis 7 years ago

I have a hammer. It is very, very old. I have had to replace the handle twice, and the head three times.

The oldest language in the world would be that which is more closely in a direct succession to the original world proto-language. This would be Hebrew.

The oldest language most probably came out of Africa and migrated to the fertle cresent in the Mesopotamian area. The ancient languages of Mesopotamia were Sumerian, Akadian, Ebiate, Elamite, Phonician, and the Semetic languages. Not far from there the ancient Egyptian language, a cousin of the Mesopotamian languages, was being spoken. None of these ancient languages in their pure form exist today. However, parts of these languages were absorbed by the Hebrew language. Therefore Hebrew is the oldest language in the world. Do a google search on the word for "peace" in different languages of the world and you will discover most of them have a root in the word "shalom." There are many curious similarities between Hebrew and Sanskrit (as well as Tamil).Although no one from ancient Africa or ancient Mesopotamia would probably be able to understand modern Hebrew, it is still the direct survivor of the mother tongue of the human race. of course we must remember that english from the time of Shakespeare, only 500 years ago, is almost impossible for most high school students to understand—but it is still english. I cast my vote for Hebrew as the direct descendent of the oldest language in the world.


Horusofoz 7 years ago

I have stated reasons for the languages of the Indigenous Australian peoples to be older than Hebrew and Sanskrit based on the infomration given by posters in this thread. Basically because the culture pre-dates the dates given by previous posters as it is proven and accepted by scholars to be at least 40,000 years old and believed t be 50,000 years old. I realise no one can determine the oldest language absolute, as has been pointed out in this thread, however based on the info here it seems to be Aboriginal languages are the oldest living languages. however my point seems to have been ignored by consequent posters. Can I ask why is this and can you please outline some information that would disprove my argument.

Thank you.


Curtis 7 years ago

At the time the Europeans first came to Australia (somewhere around 1788) there were 250 individual nations in Australia, and each nation had its own language and a few of those nations had multiple languages. Today 200 of these languages are extict. The Aboriginal people had no writing system until recently. The culture is very old but there is no way to determine if the languages they speak today are even remotely similar to the languages they spoke during the times of, lets say, the Sumerians or the Egyptians.Of course the Aboriginal languages came from the same source that the Afroasiatic languages (the language branch of which Sumerian and Hebrew is part of) came from, which would be the world proto-language Nostratic. At least with Sumerian, Egyptian, and Hebrew we have a written language which which assists us in follwing the evolution and the age of the respective languages.


Curtis 7 years ago

The original language, from a biblical point of view, would be the Edenic (or Adamic) language. This language morphed into the worlds proto-language— Nostratic. From Nostratic came the most ancient Sumerian. The main trunk of the language tree evolved in the following order: Edenic, Nostratic, Sumerian, Egyptian, Canaanite, Phoenician, to Hebrew. Many believe that, although Hebrew kept many elements of the original language, that Hebrew re-absorbed other elements from its Egyptian, Canaanite, and Phoenician neighbors.This caused the Hebrew language to it slowly "un-evolve" or to revert back to the original language .Therefore the Edenic language would have been a proto-Hebrew language. From a religious point of view some believe it is possible that God slowly restored the original language back to his people. At any rate, Hebrew is undeniably the oldest language in the world in direct succession to the original. My vote for Hebrew as the worlds oldest language remains firm.


Zamurin 7 years ago

Actually i do have to agree with a few comments here stating sanskrit is older than hebrew.In your article you have stated that hebrew is the oldest language that is still used today.Sanskrit is still taught in most of the schools all around the world.I don't think the basis for comparison on which language is the oldest has anything to do with relegion because in that case the pre harrapan cultures and the egyptian civilizations would prove their point.Besides sanskrit , other languages such as chinese are much older than hebrew.This is all based on facts and radio carbon dating of the early scriptures.


Curtis 7 years ago

Hey Zamurin . . . There seems to be an echo in here!


Geoff 7 years ago

Who cares who created the earth and all the wonderful things in it. Go outside and enjoy it and get off the internet.


Curtis 7 years ago

Ha,HA!

AMEN, Geoff !!!


Curtis 7 years ago

I had a very, very old hammer.

The head of the hammer chipped, so I put a new head on it. Later I gave it to my brother. He was glad to receive such a very, very old hammer.

I decided to put another handle on the old chipped hammer head. Later I gave it to my brother-in-law. He was glad to receive such a very, very old hammer.

Question: Which one has the original very, very old hammer—my brother or my brother-in-law?


Curtis 7 years ago

I began to wonder what company made the hammer so I later went back to my brother and also my brother-in-law and asked what company name was on the hammer handle and the hammer head.

One told me the name inscribed on his hammer was "Sanskrit." The other told me the name inscribed on his hammer was "Hebrew."

A few weeks later when I was cleaning out my garage I made an amazing discovery—I had four other hammers that my grandfather had purchased at the very same time he purchased the very, very old hammer that I gave away.

I then proceeded to buy each old hammer head a new handle and then to give each old hammer handle a new hammer head. I then gave them to friends who were all glad to have such a very, very old hammer.

I got to thinking again and called each one up to find out what company name was on their very, very old hammer. One told me "Nostratic," another told me "Sumerian," another told me "Egyptian," another told me "Tamil," another told me "!Kung Bushman," another told me "Aboriginese." another told me . . . well you get the point!


Curtis 7 years ago

The following are excerpts from a FOX news article:

EGYPTIAN TOMB INSCRIPTION MAY BEAR OLDEST PROTO-HEBREW TEXT YET

Thursday, January 25, 2007

Jerusalem—

A magic spell to keep snakes away from the tombs of Egyptian kings, adopted from the Canaanites almost 5,000 years ago, could be the oldest Semitic text yet discovered, experts said Tuesday.

"This is the oldest connected text that we have in any Semitic language," Steiner said in a telephone interview while visiting Israel to present his findings in a lecture sponsored by the Academy of the Hebrew Language.

While Egyptians considered their own culture and religion superior to that of their neighbors to the northeast, they were willing to do anything to protect the mummies of their kings from the poisonous snakes.

"Come, come to my house," reads one section in the Semitic language that is supposed to be the snake's mother speaking, trying to lure him out of the tomb.

In another passage, the snake is addressed as if he is a lover with "Turn aside, O my beloved."

The Egyptian and Semitic sections are each an integral part of the magic spell and neither can stand alone, Steiner said. For this reason, the Egyptian experts could not fully understand parts of the religious texts until Steiner got involved.

The Semitic language of these texts that have now been deciphered was a very archaic form of the language that later developed into Phoenician and Hebrew, Steiner said.

The text includes words that have the same meaning as in Hebrew, like "yad" for hand, "ari" for lion, and "beit" for house, he said.



Curtis 7 years ago

An earlier archaeological find:

"These tablets date back to the middle of the 3rd millenium BC, almost 4,500 years ago. They are written in Sumerian wedge-shaped cuneiform script which is the world's oldest known written language. Deciphering these tablets, Professor Pettinato, also of the University of Rome, found the language used to be what he called Old Canaanite' even though the script was cuneiform Sumerian. This very ancient language is closer in vocabulary and grammar to biblical Hebrew than any other Canaanite dialect', including Ugaritic; this therefore gives evidence as to the age of the Hebrew language."- John Fulton


Curtis 7 years ago

Habiru (Ha biru) or Apiru or pr.w (Egyptian) was the name given by various Sumerian, Egyptian, Akkadian, Hittite, Mitanni, and Ugaritic sources (dated, roughly, from before 2000 BC to around 1200 BC) to a group of people living as nomads in areas of the Fertile Cresent from Northeastern Mesopotamia and Iran to the borders of Egypt in Canaan. It is believed that the Habiru were the Hebrew people.

Sumerian documents from the reign of Shulgi of Ur (around 2150 BC) describes a class of people who "establish their tents and their camps — they spend their time in the countryside without observing the decrees of my king".

One of the Sumerian texts uses the Akkadian cuneiform word Hapiri . The texts described them as "soldiers from the West". Their names are predominantly Akkadian; some are West Semitic, some unknown.

Tablets dating back to the middle of the 3rd millenium BC, almost 4,500 years ago. were written in Sumerian wedge-shaped cuneiform script which is the world's oldest known written language. The language was Old Canaanite' even though the script was cuneiform Sumerian. This very ancient language is closer in vocabulary and grammar to biblical Hebrew than any other Canaanite dialect.


sabpo 7 years ago

The Periodic Table is a Tabular arrangement of the chemical elements according to atomic number as based on the periodic law. Now a law is a fact of Evidence. A law CAN NOT be CHANGE. That is use to describe the elements you can see the Name of Yahweh (YHWH) in us and around us.

HWHY (YHWH) is Seen in the Hebrew because Hebrew read from Right to Left. If we examine the letter H would be first letter in English Write from Left to Right.

H on the Periodic Table is first and it stands for HYDROGEN it value is 1. Hydrogen weight, 75% of the Visible Universe it is Colorless GAS (Spirit). Its 90 % of ALL atoms — three quarters of the mass of the universe! This element is found in the stars, and plays an important part in powering the universe through both the proton-proton reaction and carbon-nitrogen cycle. Stellar hydrogen fusion processes release massive amounts of energy by combining hydrogen to form Helium.

In the space you can see what is call the EAGLE Nebula Because of the reaction Hydrogen between the starlight.

W on the Periodic Table corresponds to TUNGSTEN is value is 74. Pure tungsten is Steel-gray to tin-white metal. It’s the only metal third transition series that occur in bimolecular. In its pure form is mainly in electrical applications. Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metals, and at temperatures over 1650C has the highest tensile strength.

Now that brings me back to the Letter H, which also means HE in Periodic Table. Which already mention in Hydrogen to form HELIUM it value is 2. This Helium is colorless inert gas that glows (understanding or light).

Helium has the lowest melting point of any element and is widely used in cryogenic (storage system) research because its boiling point is close to absolute zero. Also, the element is vital in the study of super conductivity. (Now Yahweh said HE is ELOHIM, Still that a shape and form ELOHIM is SUPER INCORPOREAL (angelic) form of a man. Elohim is what Moses saw on the Mt it was colorless it was the body in it Clearness.

Except for hydrogen, helium is the most abundant element found in the UNIVERSE. Helium is extracted from natural gas. In fact, all natural gas contains at least trace quantities of helium.

Then it brings us to the Letter Y, which is on the Periodic Table as YTTIRUM it value is 39. It has a silver-metallic Luster and is STABLE in AIR. It is RARELY seen in is PURE STATE. It is a RARE-MINERAL. When ignited in air exceed 400 C. Now Yahweh has a Pure State His understanding of Him is RARE.

So we have elements of Hydrogen (H), Tungsten (W), Helium (H) and Yttrium (Y).

Now Here Food for thought Now before we can even make a sound we must breath first every man women and child and this earth breath in a two count breath. WE inhale and we exhale.

We inhale with the sound of YAH and we exhale with sound WEH


Curtis 7 years ago

Juris Zahrins has proposed that pastoral nomadism began as a cultural lifestyle in the wake of the 6,200 BC climatic crisis when Harifian huntergatherers fused with PPNB agriculturalists to produce a nomadic lifestyle based on animal domestication developing a Circum Arabian nomadic pastoral complex, and spreading Proto-Semitic languages.


Curtis 7 years ago

Since cuneiform was deciphered a century and a half ago, Akkadian has provided bountiful new lexical material offering valuable parallels to numerous words in biblical Hebrew and keys to their meanings.


Curtis 7 years ago

A stream of water (we will call it the Mother Stream)) may break off into three different smaller streams (Streams #1, #2, and #3). Joe may trace the stream in front of his home, which is stream #1, back to the Mother Stream and claim his is a continuation of the main stream. Jack may trace stream #2 which runs through his property back to the Mother Stream and claim HIS is a continuation of the main stream. Jerry may trace the stream on his property, stream #3, back to the Mother Stream and contest HIS is a continuation of the main stream. Which one is correct history? They all are. However Joe's stream, #1, would be the only stream that Joe could trace back from his house to the Mother Stream. Streams # 2 and # 3 would be irrelevant and, having split off earlier, would be irrelevant to the tracing of his stream (#1). All languages today, no doubt, all stem from a common Mother Stream. HOWEVER only through ONE of those streams can John Doe trace his personal language through back to the Mother Stream. If John Doe believes his language to be the "chosen" language then it is the particular stream that John Doe has traced his language through that is the true history of his language. He may consider the others as offshoot languages. Whether John Doe is correct or NOT that HIS language is the "chosen" language he is still absolutely correct that his history is the true history OF HIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE. When I state a certain language can be traced through a chain of other languages in history I am stating the history of that ONE particular language. I am not tracing the other languages because they are irrelevant to my particular languages history.


Ibrahimic Descendent 7 years ago

Hi..

First of all.. hebrew came after Arabic - Ismail (peace be upon him) was the first one to spoke arabic.. and he was the brother of Ishac (peace be upon him) and - he was the jewish people father -.. But I can say one thing.. ARABIC is the most living languages on earth and the most fruitful language.. no offence to other.. The beauty of it catches you.. Now adays it is English as the "Language of science and communications globally.. But guess what "Chinese, Arabic and English) are on the top of the rank of number of speakers..


Ibrahimic Descendent 7 years ago

Check this out:

http://news.mongabay.com/2005/0724-unesco.html

Arabic if estimated by native and second language should be 1000 million people.. but I gess the UN will not keep it.. all muslims they need to know arabic to read Koran.. Salam or Shalom


Curtis 7 years ago

WORLD'S OLDEST LANGUAGE TRACED THROUGHOUT THE AGES :

Lashon Ha'Kodel

Adnatu Lisanu

Nostratic

Sumerian

Akkadian

Egyptian hieroglyphs

Proto Canaanite

Aramaic

Phonecian

Classical Hebrew


Curtis 7 years ago

MORE DETAIL:

Lashon Ha'Kodel — The Holy Tongue, Edenic, Proto Hebrew

Adnatu Lisanu — World Language, Proto World Language

Nostratic — The proto language to all the other language families of the earth

Sumerian — The language of the earliest civilization

Akkadian — Proto Hebrew, Semetic, close to both Sumerian and Hebrew

Egyptian hieroglyphs — Borrowed from Sumerian and Akkadian

Proto Canaanite — Semetic, Proto classical Hebrew

Aramaic — Close to Hebrew

Phoenician — Contributed to Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, etc.

Classical Hebrew — The only language on earth that is closest to the original Lashon Ha'Kodel (edenic) language, which is the original pure mother tongue.

Research notes courtesy of Dr. C Ward


Curtis 7 years ago

EVEN MORE DETAIL:

Pure Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel Hebrew was the original language. After the fall of man the original language morphed into the natural language of Adnatu Lisanu, which was the only language of the natural earth. It morphed further into Nostratic which branched off into the other languages of the world (after the tower of Babel). The Mid-Eastern branch, Sumerian, was the first (archaelogically accepted) civilization of the world. They were replaced by the Akkadians which were Semetic and retained a very Proto-Hebraic language. The Egyptians and Proto Canaanites ruled for some time, but it was the latter that kept a purer Proto Hebraic language. Aramaic and Phoenician restored much of the former language of old. Those that had retained the purer Hebrew language were present all along but they were very small in number and were close to extinction. They later grew in might and became a major reining Kingdom during the days of King David and King Solomon. After several set backs their existence became endangered once again as both a nation and as an ancient language, while they were dispearsed throughout the Diaspora of the modern world. Then when Israel became a nation in 1948 they once again became a great nation and the Classical Hebrew tongue once again became a major spoken language. Classicasl Hebrew is not the pure Hebrew of the original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel but it is the closest to it than any other language in all of the world and it contains a rich library of history, mystical power, and untold secrets of the ages. One day mankind will once again speak the pure, original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel.

Research courtesy of Dr. C. Ward


Curtis 7 years ago

To Ibrahimic Descendent,

Yes, Arabic is a very beautiful and melodic language. It has much in common with Hebrew and Aramaic. I think the Sufi sect is the most interesting of all Arabic sects. They have much love, have a personal mystical approach in their belief system, and are very tolerant of others.

But getting back to the languages . . . Ishmael and Jacob were brothers. Don't you think that both brothers spoke the same language? Hebrew and Arabic didn't separate as languages until much later.

It is my belief that Hebrew is older. If you think Arabic is older then that is fine. Enjoy what you believe to be true. Just be kind to me and I will be kind to you and we will pray for each other. Which ever of us is doctrinally correct may be able to win the other one through love and prayer.

Silaat, Silam, and Shalom


Horusofoz 7 years ago

Sorry to disagree with such thorough research there Curtis, but I'm not sure I could put much faith in the idea of an Edenic Language (Lashon Ha'Kodel). By it's religrous connections it demonstrates a bias which then renders much of the theory related to it as being questionable when looking at it from a purely objective perspective.

Though I cannot claim it to be the oldest language, your dismissal of the various Australian languages because there is no way to demonstrate they are the exact same as they might have been is somewhat harsh I feel. There is nothing to suggest they are changed especially in the remote communities where Eurpeans made little or no inroads.

If one where to use your arguement how can you claim that Modern hebrew resembles any "Edenic" language? Even if a language has changed how can it be claimed it is not the same language but evolved?

Sorry in a rush towards the end of this post but I'm sure you get the idea.

I look forward to your response :-)


Curtis 7 years ago

Horusofoz ... The fact that there are so many different Aboriginal languages demonstrates that that their languages were constantly morphing and changing. I do not deny that these languages are quite ancient. However, I do question their stability as a fixed language.

The early Sumerians, Egyptians, Akkadians, Hittites, Elamites, etc. are all gone.Their language, their culture and their people have all disapeared. Most of them, no doubt, assimilated into the cultures which conquered them during various tribal wars. However, there is one of these ancient peoples that no culture or nation in the entire world have been able to force into assimilation—the Jews. They have been plummaged, robbed, raped, and killed and yet they have managed to maintian their solid identity. Babylon tried to assimilate them, Rome tried to conquer them, and Hitler tried to exterminate them. For two thousand years of Diaspora the Jews wandered homelessly throughout the nations of the earth. Other cultures would have disappeared in that long of a time span, but the Jews remained Jews and their identity has not wavered. While other ancient languages, such as Egyptian, Sumeriann etc went extinct, Hebrew managed to survive the ages. Even when it was not a spoken language for a few thousand years it miraculously revived in the twentieth century as a national language. While other languages were morphing, changing, and evolving, Hebrew remained much the same as its original form. It was religiously and studiously preserved.

I do not claim that Hebrew has remained unchanged at all throughout the ages. But it has changed much less than any of the other languages. It is the closest we can get to the ancient languages of the very earliest Mesopotanian civilizations. It is the closest we can get to the original language. I agree that it proposes difficulty for you to have faith in a proposition containing religious connotations, however this is what religion and spirituality is—faith. I was not there when Adam and God spoke, but by faith I believe they did. I cannot prove this to you but it has already been proven to me by my subjectiove experience—I have personally experienced the Creator. Therefore it has been proven to me that he is. However I cannot prove this to you because it is a subjective experience.

I know by fact that Hebrew is the only existing of the ancient Mediteranian languages. I know by faith in the word of God that it was the original language.


Curtis 7 years ago

Horusofoz . . . you asked how I could claim Hebrew as the Edenic language if it has eveolved and changed. Please let me explain.

The original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel was the pure original tongue. After the fall of man the language began to change (A good example is to observe how much English has changed from Shakespear untill today). The Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel had now slightly changed to Adnatu Lashanu (Akkadian for the "World Language"). From this sprang all of the Mediteranian languages—Sumerian, Egyptian, Akkadian, Old Hebrew, ect. When the Old Hebrew speaking tribes conquered Canaan land they "reabsorbed" some of the original elements of the original language that they had lost (These elements were reabsorbed from the languages of Akkadian, Sumerian, Egyptian, Phoenician, ect.). When Moses (Moshe) and the prophets spoke with God they reabsorbed from his language the lost elements of the original Edenic Ha'Kodel tongue. Moses and the prophets, obviously, would pass these restored elements back into their tribes language as they were teaching and preaching to them. The result is Classical Hebrew which is the purist and closest form of language to the original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel tongue.


Curtis  7 years ago

The language of the !Kung San Bushmen is very, very ancient. The language of the Aborigines is very, very ancient. Sanskrit is a very, very ancient language. Grrek is ancient. Latin is old. I do not wish to minimize the antiquity of these languages. However, I believe Hebrew is the closest form of the original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel.


Horusofoz 7 years ago

Ok I think I understand your logic and appreciate the work that has gone into illustrating your point of view within the structure of your belief system. However to demonstrate your point of view to those who do not share your beliefs it would require evidence or ideas that are not influenced by religion.

Please don't get me wrong as I admire the thought that has gone into structuring your theory. However, I respectfully disagree with it. I do not think I know the oldest living language but I beleive based on the information available to me that it is the languages of Australian Aboriginals that are the oldest. I say this taking into consideration the information given by yourself and others in this discussion. Though not an argument one would want to enter a true debate with, I can find no information in any of the posts above that says there is a language older than 10,000 years which is still spoken and is presented in a manner not influenced by a belief system.

Before the European invasion the Aboriginals lived in a near unchanged manner for 1000's of years (believed to be between 40,000 to 50,000) and it is more likely their language has remained as unchanged. Again no definite proof here but from a strictly fact based perspective it can be strongly argued that the languages Aboriginal Australians are the oldest living in the world. Theres's is the oldest living culture from a purely factual basis so again their's is most plausibly the oldest living language.


Satya 7 years ago

I belive SANSKIT is he oldest language.


sugumar M 7 years ago

Many people will say that Sankskrit was used for writing religious stuffs and etc.. but we all have to understand that the creators of the sanskrit are the Aryans who were intruders to the Indian soil and the illiterate Aryans learnt the arts and lit frm the Dravdians of the indus valley the oldest civilisation ,who spoke the native language Tamil.

Then after the Aryans fabricated Hinduism and and forced their created Sanskrit and stuff like the caste system in Hinduism, these are well known facts, the birth of sanskrit is only during the 1500bc after the arrival of the Aryans.

The birth of Tamil Language is unknown but one of the earliest text is even dating back 5000bc, which clearly speaks for itself,Tamil as the OLDEST LANGUAGE


Horusofoz 7 years ago

Please understand that this debate is not about the oldest written language but the oldest language itself. I have pointed out that the Aboriginal Australian culture(s) have been archaeologically proven to date back at least 40,000 years. Their language being a product of that culture is far older than your date for the Tamil text of 5000bc (7000+/- years old).

briefly on the point of oldest written language, the earliest evidence I can find through a quick search of the net is from 3200bc. Examples from around this time Sumerian and Egyptian.

If the Tamil text does still exist and can be dated back to 5000bc than you certainly have a case. however if it does not and it is only later texts that refer to a text that is that old than one cannot really use that as an example. If that were proof then there are various texts from across the world that date themselves back millions of years. Evidently we cannot accept these as proof.


Curtis 7 years ago

To answer the question literally the oldest languages would be Adnatu Lisanu and Nostratic. This are not the oldest SPOKEN languages but are the oldest of languages ever spoken. Parts of the langage have been reconstructed. It is from these that all languages evolved.


Curtis 7 years ago

Horusofoz, I am curious...when you say Aborigines ids the oldest language, which of the existant 200 Aboriginal languages do you believe to be the oldest?


horusofoz 7 years ago

One can't say which of their languages is the oldest for that would be like claiming one tribe was the first. However if one wanted to be extremely technical one could say the people inhabiting the are with the most ancient remains that demonstrate a developed a culture (The 40,000 to 50,000 year old remains) could be the oldest.

I myself would not claim this but if one was going to be ruthlessly technical and specific. I prefer to think of them all as the oldest even tough I realise that cannot be technically true. One interesting idea though is how the majority of the tribes have Uluru as an important part of their belief structure.

Can you explain Adnatu and Nostratic. I haven't heard of them and before I search I'd like to get your take on them and how they are the oldest languages ever. Are they theoretical languages, languages bound within a religious context or something else?


Curtis 7 years ago

The only one of the languages I listed above that are bound within a religious context would be the Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel.

The language of Adnatu Lisanu may or may not have religious connotations depending on how you approach it. Adnatu Lisanu is Akkadian for "World language". Secular linguists usually refer to this language as Proto-World Language.

The term Proto-World language refers to the hypothetical, most recent comman ancester of all the world's languages – an ancient proto-language from which are derived all modern languages, all language families, and all dead languages known from the past.

The Nostratic Language family includes all of the language families of Europe, Asia, Africa, and North America. The hypothetical ancestral language called Proto-Nostratic would necessarily have been spoken at an earlier time than the language families descended from it, which would place it toward the end of the Paleolithic period.

The Proto-World Language and Proto-Nostratic is being re-constructed by a few researchers.


Curtis 7 years ago

I am presently trying to identify which of the 200 Aboriginal languages that linguists consider to be the earliest or most basic of the Aboriginal languages of Australia. Do you have any leads on this info?

Thanks.


Horusofoz 7 years ago

I fortunately do not. Being a member of the Aboriginal community it would be extremely uncomfortable for me to feel one tribe was older than another. However if you do have any luck I guess I would appreciate knowing. I think for something as important as which of the tribes of the oldest cultures still living is the Most ancient, I feel it would be much better for that information to come from a source outside the communty. This should minimise any political feuding that would result therefrom.

Thank you for the info about the hypothetical language from before the "Diaspora" of mankind and his language :D I'll be looking into this for its a good idea I feel. The fact is we can't prove the oldest language ever spoken by man but using this hypothetical language as a base we can start theorising to advance our knowledge.

Looking forward to your findings :-)


Curtis 7 years ago

Horusofoz . . . Are you saying that you are an Australian Aborigines? If so which tribe? Would you be interested in having my email address and exchanging ideas?


Horusofoz 7 years ago

@Curtis

Yes I am an Aboriginal Australian. Please note "Aboriginal". The term Aborigine is not used so much these days. From my personal point of view it's like the term negro. For many this is considered a slight ethnic slur against black africans though it is still technically a neutral term. Understandably few people outside the Australian nation are aware of the difference and sadly many within are not aware of the difference. My indigenous heritage comes from the Narrindjerri though I have family who are Pitjantjara. These are both South Australian groups (Nunga).

I would be happy to exchange ideas. You can contact me at horus-removetext-ofoz-removetext-@gmail.-removetext-.com


Curtis 7 years ago

Horusofoz, I wish to apologize if I have offended you. In our exchange of ideas concerning the world's oldest language I was unaware that you were in defense of your own native tongue. As I stated in my post above on the Mother Stream (the twenty third post above this one), "When I state a certain language can be traced through a chain of other languages in history I am stating the history of that ONE particular language. I am not tracing the other languages because they are irrelevant to my particular languages history." I was simply offering the results of my studies on the lineage of tracable languages. Since the Aboriginal languages are apparently untracable they may very well be direct descendents of the Adnatu Lisanu and Nostratic languages. Even in such a scenerio (in which the Aboriginal language was proven to be a direct descendent of the above), I would still deem Hebrew amongst the oldest, I would simply view the two very old languages as twin branches that split very early in their development.

I must thank you for directing me toward the Aboriginal langueages. Since we first communicated I have done much research in this area and have discovered some very surprizing and interesting material. I am anxious to learn more.

I will write you personally later today.

Many, many kind blessings.


billythekid 7 years ago

cybermouse,

when talking to Gij,j=0 you say the following God is a creator and he doesn't annihilate things that are not evil. what? really? ok well you also say this It doesn't make sense for God to annihilate something good that he created...it doesn't make sense for god to annihilate something good? being lost is not annihilated in my opinion. but i think gij,j=0 has a good point if you look at what language they were speaking before the tower of babel then you will find your answer. also people talk about speaking in tounges. I read in a book by chris heimerdinger(grant it it is fiction, it has a good idea) kids go back in time and talk with everyone. they can speak to them and the people they talk to hear them in the language they understand. the first language must be something not grasped but an idea to be held. that we will never get back because good hid it from us. Who are you to question why god did this? i don't know i'venever met you.


Reality 7 years ago

Hi, first of all jumped a long way down (skipped comments ) so i could speak my mind...

First of all "The Disciple" says DNA is the first language which is wrong, hence it is not a language.. Difinition of language in this case is the one we speak/write... And yes, DNA is far more complex than any computer code.. Computers are simple in comparison to the human (or any animals) mind.. And Bill Gates is a newb (personal opinion)..

You can prove evolution, and there is no thing to complex for nature. Intelligent design leaves massive holes in it's explanation. If god created the humans and all the animals first, where does the dinosaurs come into the picture. If you are christian, then you simple cannot believe that dinosaurs have existed and that is a random act of stone hanging togehter.

Second of all, good freaking damit "The Best" you are an idiot. You clearly have no brain at all and seems to be the least intelligent person among these forum commenters. You beleive what someone told you to believe rather then believing what is real.

There is no god, yes i am an atheist, and no it is not the same as an EMO, since EMO often are religious, and only see the negatives of things. The most common question that i am aksed if i say i am an atheist is "well who created the big bang? it cannot just come from nowhere", it was just there, (a massive energy pool). Well i say right back at them "who created god? he cannot just come from nowhere".

Well, to actually write something about the main question, i will say, that the first written launguages is most likely the oldest one (sanskrift).

And i hate to see ignorant christians. Good christians are good because they have moral and ethics, but too many are ignorant and try to force their believes on others. And i hate the republicans in the USA, they have a narrow and conservativ way of seeing things, and are very christian. Fuck off with your nationalistic bullshit "The Best", USA ain't shit better than any other country.

Freedom to think.


corenlius 7 years ago

SUCH A SHAME!!!! no one mentioned anything about the phoenicians and they were the ones who actually invented the alphabet and began constructing the language and yet people talk about sanskrit!! the closest languages to the phoenician language today is hebrew then arabic. phoenicians were known as world traders and sailors and this is in 5000BC even older, they sailed through many countries trading and invented alphabet to make it easier for communicating and this is how languages were spread and then changed into latin and others such as farsi,sanskrit,tammil...etc phoenicia was located in what is present day now Lebanon. this is a fact you can go search for it online!


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Cybermouse 7 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

Reality, you provided absolutely no proof for anything you said. You claim that evolution can be proved, but you did not specify which type of evolution. There are three different meanings of that word, and it is important to qualify which one you are talking about.

I would argue that there are, in fact, things too complex for nature to have evolved from spontaneous generation (not to mention the fact that spontaneous generation itself cannot be proved). When I say evolution, I'm really talking about naturalism, the belief that life spontaneously came from nothing and evolved into what it is today. I have studied naturalism in college, and it seems to me that both intelligent design AND naturalism are riddled with holes. Naturalism has holes because some species make large jumps in their "evolution" that cannot be explained my micro- nor macro-evolution. I do not completely agree with intelligent design, because that viewpoint does not acknowledge God as the intelligent designer.

Reality, your supposed refutal of the question "Who created the big bang?" does absolutely nothing for your argument. You simply switched the argument around, asking "Who created God?" This is not a valid way to refute an argument, and does not do a whole lot for your credibility. You might want to take a class in logic or debate before trying to argue for atheism. Generally when arguing for a position, the worst thing you can do is to simply claim your opponent is wrong, which is what you were doing. You need to give evidence for why you believe it. The absence of proven evidence for a belief is not the same as evidence against that belief. In other words, you cannot claim that God does not exist because there is no evidence of it. That logic does not work. If you cannot come up with valid evidence for why God doesn't exist, you cannot prove anything about whether God exists or not. This doesn't work because you are confusing epistemology with metaphysics.


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Cybermouse 7 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

billythekid, I am not questioning WHY God did anything. I am debating whether or not he did it at all. You seem to believe that he annihilated the first language when all the others were created; provide me evidence of this, and I might be more inclined to believe it. For me to question WHY God did something, I would have to first acknowledge that he did it at all, which I have not. I do not believe that he annihilated any language--therefore I am not questioning WHY he did it, because I don't believe that he did.


LenLiberty 7 years ago

So much of this thread comes down to how we "know" things.

If our primary source of knowledge, overriding all else, is a book like the bible (or koran or whatever), then the argument is reduced to interpretation.  Clearly this is the basis for accepting Hebrew as the first language.  If you are committed to the bible, then you will deny any perceptions or conclusions of your mind that contradict it.  But this bible (in its various forms) is an anthology of writings by people who believed that the sun revolved around the earth, that a talking snake ruined mankind, that ghosts or a ghost in the sky monitors every moment of our life, and that he (no, not she) demands adoration and submission, and punishes even children for non-compliance, in eternity.

On the other hand, we can acknowledge the value of our perceptions, when coupled with our conceptualization and logic (however flawed at times) for understanding reality.  Do we ease pain through anesthesia, or deny it because it interferes with God's plans to torture us?  Do we use science to increase our agricultural yields, or do we wait for bread and fish from Jesus ( or bread flying through the sky)?  Which is more compassionate, a tradition that threatens to send all those in non-compliance to a horrible torture for all of eternity, or a practice that reduces suffering, extends life, and provides opportunities for full engagement of human beings?

Astrology or Astronomy?  Alchemy or Chemistry?  Mythology and Magic or Science and Engineering?  Which have benefited man the most?  The choice is clear to me.


Jacob  7 years ago

Hey, very interesting. I thought the word for man in hebrew was "Adam" it came from the word "Adama" or "ground". I'm not seeing how that is like "Yahweh". Maybe there is another word that i am unfamiliar with for man. i dont know.

Where do you think Aramaic fits in because i speak Assyrian (Modern Aramaic) and some of the words are very similar to hebrew. Where on the timeline do you think it goes?


filipino de zionista 7 years ago

skywalker is ryt! indeed i beliv dat d hebrew language is d oldest im very sure. u seei, my self was an aheist b4 but after i studied & seek it i ther4 conclude dey r d oldest try reading d bible it is the only book of all books dat was vry precise in details stablishing thier geneology from adam to abraham which is d father of jewish people.


Mannadi 7 years ago

The oldest language is SILENCE....


Mannadi 7 years ago

Through meditation you can speak language of SILENCE :-)


indian 7 years ago

tamil is worlds oldest language...if u believe in scientific proof....and if u belive in mythology and story then each religion will blabber some thing so lets be scientific as science is common to all religions...i believe in science and say tamil is oldest language of the world and its still living today


Curtis 7 years ago

Lashon Ha'Kodel — The Holy Tongue, Edenic, Proto Hebrew

Adnatu Lisanu — World Language, Proto World Language

Nostratic — The proto language to all the other language families of the earth

Sumerian — The language of the earliest civilization

Akkadian — Proto Hebrew, Semetic, close to both Sumerian and Hebrew

Egyptian hieroglyphs — Borrowed from Sumerian and Akkadian

Proto Canaanite — Semetic, Proto classical Hebrew

Aramaic — Close to Hebrew

Phoenician — Contributed to Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, etc.

Classical Hebrew — The only language on earth that is closest to the original Lashon Ha'Kodel (edenic) language, which is the original pure mother tongue.

Research notes courtesy of Dr. C Ward


Curtis 7 years ago

The original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel was the pure original tongue. After the fall of man the language began to change (A good example is to observe how much English has changed from Shakespear untill today). The Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel had now slightly changed to Adnatu Lashanu (Akkadian for the "World Language"). From this sprang all of the Mediteranian languages—Sumerian, Egyptian, Akkadian, Old Hebrew, ect. When the Old Hebrew speaking tribes conquered Canaan land they "reabsorbed" some of the original elements of the original language that they had lost (These elements were reabsorbed from the languages of Akkadian, Sumerian, Egyptian, Phoenician, ect.). When Moses (Moshe) and the prophets spoke with God they reabsorbed from his language the lost elements of the original Edenic Ha'Kodel tongue. Moses and the prophets, obviously, would pass these restored elements back into their tribes language as they were teaching and preaching to them. The result is Classical Hebrew which is the purist and closest form of language to the original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel tongue.


Curtis 7 years ago

An archaeological find:

"These tablets date back to the middle of the 3rd millenium BC, almost 4,500 years ago. They are written in Sumerian wedge-shaped cuneiform script which is the world's oldest known written language. Deciphering these tablets, Professor Pettinato, also of the University of Rome, found the language used to be what he called Old Canaanite' even though the script was cuneiform Sumerian. This very ancient language is closer in vocabulary and grammar to biblical Hebrew than any other Canaanite dialect', including Ugaritic; this therefore gives evidence as to the age of the Hebrew language."- John Fulton


Curtis 7 years ago

Horusofoz . . . Are you still around? You wrote me awhile back and right after that my computer crashed. I was unable to return your email. I would like to resume communication with you concerning the very ancient language of the Australian Aborigines.

Thanks.


Manju 7 years ago

its a good discussion... Hebrew originated around 10 BCE while Tamil orginated around 3 BCE. Hebrew is spoken in 1 country and by over 6m people. Tamil has official status in 3 countries, spoken in over 8 countries & by over 12m people.

A broken jar with tamil script was found in Egypt couple of years ago and the age is dated around 1st century BC.

http://www.hindu.com/2007/11/21/stories/2007112158...

if you dont get the link just bing tamil egypt and you should get "Tamil Brahmi script in Egypt"

So I believe it has to be tamil.


Curtis 7 years ago

Sorry, Manju, but if, in your above figures, Hebrew originated 10 BCE and Tamil originated 3 BCE, then Hebrew, even by your estimations, is MUCH older than Tamil !!! Just look over your own figures!


Curtis 7 years ago

In other words, 10 BCE is older than 3 BCE.


sounder 7 years ago

Phoenician - about 1000 BC

Aramaic - c. 950 BC

Hebrew - c. 950 BC: Gezer calendar

Phrygian - c. 800 BC

Moabite - c. 800 BC

Ammonite - c. 800 BC

Old South Arabian - c. 800 BC

Etruscan - c. 700 BC

Umbrian - c. 600 BC

North Picene - c. 600 BC

Lepontic - c. 600 BC

Tartessian - c. 600 BC

Lydian - c. 600 BC

Carian - c. 600 BC

Eteocypriot - c. 600 BC

Tamil - c. 600 BC: Tamil-Brahmi[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]

Thracian c. 6th c.BC

Venetic c. 6th c.BC

Old Persian - 525 BC: Behistun inscription

Latin - c. 500 BC: Duenos Inscription[11]

South Picene - c. 500 BC

Messapian - c. 500 BC

Gaulish - c. 500 BC

Old North Arabian - c. 500 BC

Mixe-Zoque - c. 500 BC: Isthmian script (disputed)

Oscan - c. 400 BC

Iberian - c. 400 BC

Meroitic - c. 300 BC

Faliscan - c. 300 BC

Mayan languages - c. between 300 BC and 200 BC[12]

Volscian - c. 275 BC

Prakrit - c. 260 BC: Edicts of Ashoka[13][14]

Galatian - c. 200 BC

Celtiberian - c. 100 BC

Korean - adoption of Hanja c. 100 BC, evidence of proto-Idu c. 500 AD[15]

Tamil is alone alive in these languages


sounder 7 years ago

Phoenician - about 1000 BC

Aramaic - c. 950 BC

Hebrew - c. 950 BC: Gezer calendar

Phrygian - c. 800 BC

Moabite - c. 800 BC

Ammonite - c. 800 BC

Old South Arabian - c. 800 BC

Etruscan - c. 700 BC

Umbrian - c. 600 BC

North Picene - c. 600 BC

Lepontic - c. 600 BC

Tartessian - c. 600 BC

Lydian - c. 600 BC

Carian - c. 600 BC

Eteocypriot - c. 600 BC

Tamil - c. 600 BC: Tamil-Brahmi[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]

Thracian c. 6th c.BC

Venetic c. 6th c.BC

Old Persian - 525 BC: Behistun inscription

Latin - c. 500 BC: Duenos Inscription[11]

South Picene - c. 500 BC

Messapian - c. 500 BC

Gaulish - c. 500 BC

Old North Arabian - c. 500 BC

Mixe-Zoque - c. 500 BC: Isthmian script (disputed)

Oscan - c. 400 BC

Iberian - c. 400 BC

Meroitic - c. 300 BC

Faliscan - c. 300 BC

Mayan languages - c. between 300 BC and 200 BC[12]

Volscian - c. 275 BC

Prakrit - c. 260 BC: Edicts of Ashoka[13][14]

Galatian - c. 200 BC

Celtiberian - c. 100 BC

Korean - adoption of Hanja c. 100 BC, evidence of proto-Idu c. 500 AD[15]

Tamil is alone alive in these languages


Curtis 7 years ago

Lashon Ha'Kodel — The Holy Tongue, Edenic, Proto Hebrew

Adnatu Lisanu — World Language, Proto World Language

Nostratic — The proto language to all the other language families of the earth

Sumerian — The language of the earliest civilization

Akkadian — Proto Hebrew, Semetic, close to both Sumerian and Hebrew

Egyptian hieroglyphs — Borrowed from Sumerian and Akkadian

Proto Canaanite — Semetic, Proto classical Hebrew

Aramaic — Close to Hebrew

Phoenician — Contributed to Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, etc.

Classical Hebrew — The only language on earth that is closest to the original Lashon Ha'Kodel (edenic) language, which is the original pure mother tongue.

(Research notes courtesy of Dr. C Ward)

The original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel was the pure original tongue. After the fall of man the language began to change (A good example is to observe how much English has changed from Shakespear untill today). The Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel had now slightly changed to Adnatu Lashanu (Akkadian for the "World Language"). From this sprang all of the Mediteranian languages—Sumerian, Egyptian, Akkadian, Old Hebrew, ect. When the Old Hebrew speaking tribes conquered Canaan land they "reabsorbed" some of the original elements of the original language that they had lost (These elements were reabsorbed from the languages of Akkadian, Sumerian, Egyptian, Phoenician, ect.). When Moses (Moshe) and the prophets spoke with God they reabsorbed from his language the lost elements of the original Edenic Ha'Kodel tongue. Moses and the prophets, obviously, would pass these restored elements back into their tribes language as they were teaching and preaching to them. The result is Classical Hebrew which is the purist and closest form of language to the original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel tongue.

An archaeological find:

"These tablets date back to the middle of the 3rd millenium BC, almost 4,500 years ago. They are written in Sumerian wedge-shaped cuneiform script which is the world's oldest known written language. Deciphering these tablets, Professor Pettinato, also of the University of Rome, found the language used to be what he called Old Canaanite' even though the script was cuneiform Sumerian. This very ancient language is closer in vocabulary and grammar to biblical Hebrew than any other Canaanite dialect', including Ugaritic; this therefore gives evidence as to the age of the Hebrew language."- John Fulton


Muhsin 7 years ago

The oldest language is Arabic, it exixts since the birth of the universe. The language of God.


xxx 7 years ago

"In addition, the basis of my argument relies more on the periodic table than anything, which was conceived by God and simply discovered by man."

God doesn't exist. It's a whole bunch unscientific Jewish, HIndu, Muslim, Christian and pre-Hindu mumbo-jumbo.

Akkadian is an attested old language predating Hebrew by thousands of years. It has many linguistic features like case-system which have died out in Hebrew.

All of you are becoming Nazi by the day showing exceptional pride in your language when they have originated from even more ancient languages that are extinct. See, the Nazi's believed that the older the language, the purer the blood and the prouder you should be. With the way everyone is fighting and bringing myths and superstition like religion, it is laughable.


xxx 7 years ago

Scientists have discovered an allele of gene FOXP2 in Neanderthals which is responsible for human speech. But of course, you probably don't believe in Neanderthals. All linguists are of the opinion that primitive languages are dead due to destructive evolution and the languages we know today are a far cry from being primitive. Hominids had a hypoglossal canal more than 400,000 years ago the size of modern humans. Scientists agree that the primitive language (ie, proto-language) evolved during the great ape language era. Fully modern humans evolved some 50,000 years ago. Archaic Biblical Hebrew or Sanskrit or Tamil definitely didn't exist then. If they did, evolution would have consequently destroyed them and today there would be different languages in the world.


xxx 7 years ago

Helium was derived from the Greek word Helios meaning sun in ancient Greek, later used to signify the Sun God. It was derived from Proto-Indo-European language and Nitrogen from "Saltpetre forming". These are found the universe and scientists believe that life could have easily originated from space in the form of a comet collision. From single-celled organism, we evolved into humans over millions of years. And these are facts with experiments conducted. Every year scientists find more evidence to support human evolution. If you are going to use religion to argue such sciences, then you must also believe that some other "religion" may have the ultimate answer. It could be Hinduism, since the Vedas have made many so-called prophecies and contain 'coincidences' like other texts. It claims to have created Sanskrit as a divine language eons ago so maybe Sanskrit is the oldest language to use your twisted logic. Few religions don't reserve bragging rights for languages. Like the Koran seems to be completley uninterested in the concept of evolution of human languages by "cleverly" taking a nuetral stance. The only reference to language is where "God" says that he created multiple languages for humankind to know each other and in these languages are signs for those that are well-learned. Arabic is not considered a divine language but it says that for each era, a language was chosen. There were languages chosen before Hebrew, then Hebrew was itself chosen for Moses and Jesus and then Arabic was chosen as the final language. But it doesn't refer to Arabic as the oldest and in that sense purest language. However, it loses points for going against human evolution. Tsk tsk tsk...


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Cybermouse 7 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

xxx, in one of your earlier comments you claimed that God doesn't exist, yet you provided no proof, instead saying that it was all religious mumbo-jumbo. That is possibly one of the worst arguments I have ever heard. Is that really your profound reasoning and critical analysis on the matter?

"All linguists are of the opinion that primitive languages are dead due to destructive evolution and the languages we know today are a far cry from being primitive."

It sounds to me like you're the one making assumptions. Perhaps you wouldn't consider me a linguist; however, I would, and I certainly don't believe as you say I do. I also seriously doubt your claim that all linguists believe that primitive languages are dead. Generalized statements are another quick way to make your argument sound like rubbish.

"But of course, you probably don't believe in Neanderthals."

Once again, this is an assumption. What ever gave you this idea?

"Presuming you're all religious, you probably don't believe in any scientific theories of evolution. If you have ever heard of destructive evolution, then you should know that languages become extinct and their foundations change. None of you have an in-depth knowledge of languages. You probably can't even read the ancient languages let alone figure out the differences. You probably read Wikipedia and think you've known enough to make ridiculous statements that your language is the oldest, whether Hebrew, Sanskrit or Tamil."

I am shocked that you consider such a comment a valid way to refute an opposing point of view. If you had taken any class in debate or argument, you will find that your comment is brimming with ego-centric thinking, one of the major fallacies common in bad arguments. Insulting the opposing point of view by suggesting that "we know nothing" doesn't lend anything whatsoever to your credibility. Try attending college before you go insulting people who have by suggesting they get their information from Wikipedia. To me, your argument, if you can call it that, sounds like it came from Wikipedia, since you provided absolutely no solid proof for any of your statements.


Sam 7 years ago

Why does it matter how a comment is written? It's the information which is the intersenting thing, isn't it? And I have to angree with xxx. Great points!

You couldn't possibly deny that we can't for certain know what language was the first. We can't really assume either. You see, what IS language? No language is complete so really monkies has a language. This debate will lead nowhere because there is no answere that we know of. But I do think it's a very interesting debate because it led to the question about gods existens.

And I'm sorry if my english isn't good enough for you, I'm from a none-english country and I haven't attended college yet.


MrMusik93 7 years ago

I belive that Hebrew is the original language of the world, before the story of the "Tower of Babel", because before that everyone spoke the same language


Marshall 7 years ago

you have got the wrong symbols for nitrogen which is N not H the H on th periodic table is for hydrogen and is the first symbol on the table. here is a link to a picture of the periodic table so you can see for your self :)

http://www.corrosionsource.com/handbook/periodic/p...


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Cybermouse 7 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

Sam, I was not commenting on HOW the comment was written. I was commenting on the content itself, which was not valid as a logical argument. I then proceeded to clarify which logical fallacies it contains.

Marshall, I did not state that H is the symbol for Nitrogen. You need to read more carefully. I said that when the Hebrew or Arabic letter "H" is MAPPED TO the periodic table, the element in the seventh slot (which is the same slot that H is in the Hebrew alphabet) is Nitrogen. I never claimed that the letter "H" (which, by the way, is part of the Latin/English alphabet) is the symbol for Nitrogen. Again, read more carefully.


Sam 7 years ago

Oh well, it doesn't matter. My point was that you have to define WHAT language is, otherwise there is no answere.

Have a nice day!//Sam


prasun 7 years ago

sorry , cybermouse

first i experss my thanks

from my point of view from bible is that hebrew is not the oldest bcos there are much older languges.

i think sumerians are the most oldest civililzation with written law.

now some say tamil is the oldest becos of its nature and oldest language which has grammer . but i couldnt prove


Ram 7 years ago

hebrew offshooted from armaic , sanskrit is a creation of the intruders aryans who seeked shetker during 1500bc

Tamil is the language of the first civilisation , after the african diaspora settled in India , then cam the language , it is archeologically, linguistically and historically proven that Old Tamil is the oldest language


Knight.... 7 years ago

the oldest language in the world is mathematics ... and yes mathematics is a language ....... its the language of the universe and even aliens living millions of light years away would understand mathematics .........i see 90% of people here trying to put forward the christian frame of mind ... this is possibly due to the white supremist tendency that white people still have .... Christianity is still considered the religion of white people ..... and white people will do anything to propagate no matter what the cause .... considering adam and eve as the first human being is a matter of complete ignorance..... and people who believe in something as stupid as adam and eve aslo believe that hebrew is the oldest language ......


Simone 7 years ago

"and white people will do anything to propagate no matter what the cause .... "

White people? So you think ALL white people are religious?? Yeah, and we are the ones who are ignorant. Don't you dare say that ALL the millions of white people have the same belief!


jiminuul 7 years ago

This has been a most interesting and enlightening read for me.I was interested in finding out something about the 'first language' and now I have more questions than answers but I am certainly much better informed than I was a couple of hours ago. Thank you all.


Yah 6 years ago

In terms of authentically preserved, I would have to say that Arabic is the best guess. The modern (and classic) understanding of Hebrew, for example, came from the resurgence of Rabbinical scholars in Andalusia (southern Spain) after studying Arabic grammar. Arabic is also Semitic, like Hebrew and Aramaic. Also, considering languages change over time due to different reasons, we can never be certain which living language is intact. Saying that, the main reason languages change is from outside influence. For example, when the Arabs conquered Persia, Farsi became intertwined with Arabic words. The same can be said about Spanish when they conquered Spain. However, the original Arabic language (al-FusHaa) is still studied and spoken by students and scholars (and religious people in mosques and schools) all around the world. Since the Arabian peninsula was *never* conquered by an outside force (Alexander just passed it by, Cyrus didn't physically enter it as he was simply paid tribute, etc.) and the tribal people of Arabia never gained unity until the Prophet Muhammad united them upon one religion... and that religion suggests the utmost importance of preserving the Arabic language for the sake of understanding holy scriptures, one could only deduce that of the Semitic languages, Arabic is the most well-preserved. Not to mention, if you want to throw Bible references in there, Arabs were mentioned in the Bible - and Arabs never spoke anything other than Arabic. That, on top of the fact that one could conclude that Hebrew, Aramaic and even Sumerian are all branches of Arabic. Arabic has a complete root system with rules of "I'rab" (i.e. Arabization) that no other language can boast, i.e. the changing of ending vowels that alters the grammatical sense of a word. There is much that can be said about this. I suggest it be looked up :)


Raziel 6 years ago

AS FOR THIS HUB, IT IS MOST INTERESTING (BESIDES THE ANGER AND INSULTS BETWEEN THE ATHIEST AND THE BELEIVERS). AS FOR THE ORIGIN OF THE LANGUAGES, FIRST WE MUST SEARCH THEIR PLACE OF FORMATION. ADAM AND EVE DID HAVE A SPOKEN TOUNG IN WHICH IS OR HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN OR ALTERED IN ITS ORIGIN. THIS TOUNG WAS THE TRUE ANGELIC TOUNG TO BEGIN WITH (ONE OF MANY). AT THE TOWER OF BABEL, THESE HUMANS WHERE CONSTRUCTING SOMETHING THAT GOD DID NOT WANT THEM TO MAKE. GEN.CHAP.11 VER.4 SAYS THAT THESE HUMANS EVEN KNEW BEFORE HAND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THEM IF THEY CONTINUED IN THEIR TASK. THEY SAID"LET US MAKE A NAME FOR OURSELVES INCASE WE WERE SCATTERED". STRANGE TO THINK THAT THESE PEOPLE KNEW OR HAD THE ABILITY TO FOERSEE THE PLANS OF GOD? FOR THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT GOD DID TO THEM. THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD CAME DOWN IN PLURAL. GEN. CHAP.11 VER.7 "LET US GO DOWN...." THE LANGUAGES THAT WERE GIVEN WERE ALL ANGELIC LANGUAGES FOR THESE LANGUAGES WERE NOT OF THE MAKING OF MAN. WITH THIS IN MIND I MUST BELIEVE THAT NOT ONLY THE LANGUAGES WERE GIVEN, BUT ALSO THE DIFERENT RACES. IN THE BEGINNING OF ADAM AND EVE THERE WEREN'T OTHER RACES. SO WHERE DID SO MANY RACES COME FROM? GOD SCATTERED THEM ACROSS THE WORLD TOGETHER WITH NEW TOUNGS AND NEW PHYSICAL FORMS (WHITE,BLACK,ORIENTAL,HISPANIC,INDIAN YOU NAME IT). I BELIEVE THAT THE ANGELIC HOSTS ARE EVEN GIVEN CLASSIFICATIONS NOT ONLY IN RANKS BUT LANGUAGES AND RACES. IF NOT, THEN WHAT IS THE REASON FOR PRAYING IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES IF THE PRAYER WOULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD BY GOD OR THE ANGELS. THE TRUE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE IS PROBABLY NOT KNOWN. EXAMPLE: ANCIENT EGYPTIAN. AS FAR AS I KNOW WE ONLY HAVE THE WRITTEN FORM OF ANCIENT EGYPTIAN AND UNDERSTAND IT'S MEANING BECAUSE OF THE ROSETA STONE BUT THE WAY THAT IT IS PRONOUNSED IS LOST BECAUSE THEIR IS LITTLE OR NO ONE LEFT WITH THIS LOST KNOWLEDGE AND WE ARE TALKING OF A CIVILIZATION THAT IS NOT THE FIRST TO APPEAR ON EARTH. IF THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE WOULD BE FOUND IN WRITING, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT'S MEANING BY SOME FORM BUT MAYBE NOT IT'S TRUE WAY OF PRONUNCIATION. ABRAHAM (ABRAM BEFORE GOD CHANGED HIS NAME) WAS LIVING WITH HIS FATHER FIRST IN CHALDEAN LANDS PROBABLY HIS BIRTH PLACE SO ABRAM WAS CHALDEAN. GOD MADE A PACT WITH ABRAM THAT HIS SEED WOULD BE THE ELECTED FOR THE PLANS OF GOD AND FROM THERE ON CAME THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL. BUT ABRAM WAS ORIGINALY CHALDEAN. THAT IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS NOT ME. NOW ABRAM WAS A DIRECT DESENDENT OF SEM (NOAHS SON). SINCE IN THE PRESENT CHALDEAN AND HEBREW LANGUAGE HAVES SOME SIMILARITIES, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY "WHAT CAME FIRST? THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG?" WELL WHAT EVER IT IT, TO GOD BE THE GLORY AND PRAISED BE HIS NAME IN THE QUEST FOR THE ORIGIN OF THE GOD-MADE LANGUAGE.


MonsterBud 6 years ago

Om Shiva;-)


bharatiya 6 years ago

Hi Cybermouse....

here is something for you...

"unearthing a city called Dwarka in India to prove that the oldest language is Sanskrit? I shall have to try that sometime. I wonder why no one else has done it yet, if it's such good evidence?"

For your answer with video clippages and documents please visit each link.....

but I do agree the dates like beyond 10,000 years are still debatable at the same time we should update our history knowledge alongwith advancing technologies to do research on them.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2gQu3rWwxY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KkDMBhrAD4

http://satyabhashnam.blogspot.com/2009/01/dwarka-u...

http://unmyst3.blogspot.com/2008/10/ancient-city-o...

http://deshgujarat.com/2007/09/04/lord-krishnas-dw...

http://sarojbala.blogspot.com/


Mister 6 years ago

religion and sensible things doesn't go well together.


Curtis 6 years ago

Lashon Ha'Kodel — The Holy Tongue, Edenic, Proto Hebrew

Adnatu Lisanu — World Language, Proto World Language

Nostratic — The proto language to all the other language families of the earth

Sumerian — The language of the earliest civilization

Akkadian — Proto Hebrew, Semetic, close to both Sumerian and Hebrew

Egyptian hieroglyphs — Borrowed from Sumerian and Akkadian

Proto Canaanite — Semetic, Proto classical Hebrew

Aramaic — Close to Hebrew

Phoenician — Contributed to Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, etc.

Classical Hebrew — The only language on earth that is closest to the original Lashon Ha'Kodel (edenic) language, which is the original pure mother tongue.

(Research notes courtesy of Dr. C Ward)

The original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel was the pure original tongue. After the fall of man the language began to change (A good example is to observe how much English has changed from Shakespear untill today). The Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel had now slightly changed to Adnatu Lashanu (Akkadian for the "World Language"). From this sprang all of the Mediteranian languages—Sumerian, Egyptian, Akkadian, Old Hebrew, ect. When the Old Hebrew speaking tribes conquered Canaan land they "reabsorbed" some of the original elements of the original language that they had lost (These elements were reabsorbed from the languages of Akkadian, Sumerian, Egyptian, Phoenician, ect.). When Moses (Moshe) and the prophets spoke with God they reabsorbed from his language the lost elements of the original Edenic Ha'Kodel tongue. Moses and the prophets, obviously, would pass these restored elements back into their tribes language as they were teaching and preaching to them. The result is Classical Hebrew which is the purist and closest form of language to the original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel tongue.

An archaeological find:

"These tablets date back to the middle of the 3rd millenium BC, almost 4,500 years ago. They are written in Sumerian wedge-shaped cuneiform script which is the world's oldest known written language. Deciphering these tablets, Professor Pettinato, also of the University of Rome, found the language used to be what he called Old Canaanite' even though the script was cuneiform Sumerian. This very ancient language is closer in vocabulary and grammar to biblical Hebrew than any other Canaanite dialect', including Ugaritic; this therefore gives evidence as to the age of the Hebrew language."- John Fulton


Katchi 6 years ago

This hub has been in existence for two years. That is extremely interesting, to say the least. Cybermouse, you rock! in that you found a topic so interesting that after two years, no one can come to any discernable conclusion.

I read each and every post hoping that someone would frame my opinion in some sort of way, and in bits and pieces, many of you have.

"To know a thing's name is to know it's power...To speak that name is to release that power." -Ancient Egyptian

First, let me start by saying that while questioned in his hypothetical conclusion regarding the origin of the Edenic language, no one really responded to Curtis. While I plan to do further research which obviously cannot be completed on line, I am so very interested in learning about the Mother Languages he refered to. While reading I couldn't help but notice that the names of the languages sound Sumerian in origin, but that is not a point of argument. I would love to learn how you came to know these things, as I am one of the unwashed masses, self taught (like John H. Clarke) 'by libraries and well chosen second hand book stores'. Still, I have found no evidence by the atheist or the monotheist (or polytheist) which proports a valid conclusion which would make something stir in my soul and say, "YES! That's it!"

I was attracted to this hub based on a two day deliberation in my mind over the original language. Not the original WRITTEN language, nor the OLDEST SURVIVING language. I just was curious as to which was the oldest created language. While the Austrailian caused me to be curious, never was spoken about any particular language, so his argument could not be validated no matter how old they are. And while Cybermouse began talking about language, he has digressed into defending his religion and his God, which, by the very definition of the Power of the Christian God, needs no human defense (omnipotent?). But He did say one important (two, but more on that later) thing(s) I would like to mention here. He is both the creator of the darkness and the light, he created both good and evil, only he has done these things. (He created everything right?) It says those very words in the bible you hold so dearly. It also says that he "confounded/confused" the languages, it did not say that he replaced them nor annihilated them... Therefore, since everyone can point out how the languages are similar in origin and region (going back to the post above refering to unity), wouldn't the not so obvious theory be that maybe each of us in our respective ancestry and religious upbringing are still essentially speaking parts the same language, but what is meant by our conveyed words are not clearly understood by meaning for some and by form for others? I mean, if we all understood each other, how then could we debate-even in the same language? And even before the evolution of language as we know it, words we use today in American English (the mutt language it is) still resonate in the language of old. If we were not confused, there would be no conflict, even in speech. We would be of one mind, one thought, one goal. And in this "confusion" we have created variable sounds. For example: amma/mama; hola/aloha/hello; but they all convey a similar thought. (like a game of boggle)

The study of language is to study a people and its origins, its religions, its progression, etc. The original language had to die out like the tribes of old...but speaking of which, there are still regions in Africa which lie untouched by modern man. No one knows the origin of the KhoiKhoi; where DID the Aboriginal Man derive? Africa? And if so, what is the oldest AFRICAN language? Therein must lie the clue. For no one desputed the argument that we all derived from there.

While Colonization of new lands allowed even the creation of a whole new people (like the Cre`ole blood in me) the argument of a surviving language is dead to me, for I was "raised up" in the colony of my oppressors and speak with a tongue that is unknown of my ancestors and has been diverted from the original language of my land's founding fathers. (For even the word Cre`ole is an English derivation of French, Spanish, and Portugese...and can even be found amongst the Brits (see "Kriol"~Austrailian).

Ya'll, please stick to the topic at hand and enlighten one as me, kept in the dark by name calling and petty squabbling. Aren't we all trying to arrive at that most perfect language: Truth? (Shout out to "THE BEST")

Moreover, Curtis did paint a picture regarding the divergent rivers. We all (wait...Nazi? Really!) are just on the path of the stream flowing through our yard. But I was the wandering child, wandering into everyone else's yard to see their stream and wondering where the water flowed from in the first place, too. Was it a waterfall from the mist of the rainforest? Was there a glacier?

Back to the other important thing that the Biblical God said: "Let there be light." There was darkness and chaos and God created Truth and order. Somewhere along the way, man strayed from the order of Truth and was confounded because he decided to do his own thing. Now everyone is confused and babbling about looking for their Amma/Mama, their origin of expressed knowledge.

If you believe in the biblical story in any way, you must also believe in Adam and Eve (or Adama/Eva, whatever). You must believe that all life started with them and that they had a way of communicating, not just with one another, but also with YHWH, Elohim, angels and animals. You must also believe in Giants, Holy Spirits, Great Serpents and that Death rides on a horse. If you studied that book, you will understand what was meant when Caine went off East to the land of Nod where there were people who were skilled at making tools and weapons, away from his parents (migration). You must believe that his transgressions could be understood by others and that he feared death because of the act and conversed with God about it. If you truly believe that book, you will have to believe that the races of men were also established after the deluge by the splitting up of Noah's children...but that they all spoke one language...at one time...but their descendents are now confused as to what that language is now.

If you don't believe in the Christian faith, but you still have a faith, it is possible that your God or Gods (Demi-Gods) came to man and bestowed upon him a language that S/He/they also spoke to convey a message to the people to spread the faith of that language. And that more than likely, that language has evolved to txtg. (Shout out to filipino de zionista!)

And if you have no faith, I urge you to look at the world around you, from whom you have developed both your theories and language and discern how Star Dust (the thought of being star dust, admittedly makes me smile) has vibrated it's way from "BANG!!" to "what's hap'nin, ya'll?"

[And also, if man descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? Please get back to me on that one, it's driving me crazy!]

And just to touch on the Religion/Science thing, If you believe in God, then you must believe that God is the Ultimate Scientist, for no one can deny our chemical composition even when our faith is denied. If you believe in Science, then you must believe that Science is God, for nothing can exist outside of it. It simply is.

I would also like to say that Hebrew has a way of being coded toward multiple meanings, just like slang and ancient Egyptian. Everything about that language has a correlation with something else in the world and everything in the world has a correlation to it, from Wicca to Wonder. But then the underlying foundation of Hebrew is its shape and its number system. I don't know what its mother is, but its father is definitely math. Math, by the way, although universal, is a vehichle to convey thought, but it is not, in my opinion, the ultimate mother language. For it speaks of structure and form, quantity and mass, but it says nothing for emotion and soul...it takes the words to describe the numbers to do that. And although I am very pr


muru 6 years ago

A good topic, which I really enjoyed except for few "the best" people comments since the tamil language name also used in the discussion I like to share a letter by George L. Hart a professor

I am not here to claim that the Tamil is the oldest in the world but to share it is also one of the oldest in the world.

April 11, 2000

Statement on the Status of Tamil as a Classical Language

Professor Maraimalai has asked me to write regarding the position of Tamil as a classical language, and I am delighted to respond to his request.

I have been a Professor of Tamil at the University of California, Berkeley, since 1975 and am currently holder of the Tamil Chair at that institution. My degree, which I received in 1970, is in Sanskrit, from Harvard, and my first employment was as a Sanskrit professor at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, in 1969. Besides Tamil and Sanskrit, I know the classical languages of Latin and Greek and have read extensively in their literatures in the original. I am also well-acquainted with comparative linguistics and the literatures of modern Europe (I know Russian, German, and French and have read extensively in those languages) as well as the literatures of modern India, which, with the exception of Tamil and some Malayalam, I have read in translation. I have spent much time discussing Telugu literature and its tradition with V. Narayanarao, one of the greatest living Telugu scholars, and so I know that tradition especially well. As a long-standing member of a South Asian Studies department, I have also been exposed to the richness of both Hindi literature, and I have read in detail about Mahadevi Varma, Tulsi, and Kabir.

I have spent many years -- most of my life (since 1963) -- studying Sanskrit. I have read in the original all of Kalidasa, Magha, and parts of Bharavi and Sri Harsa. I have also read in the original the fifth book of the Rig Veda as well as many other sections, many of the Upanisads, most of the Mahabharata, the Kathasaritsagara, Adi Sankara’s works, and many other works in Sanskrit.

I say this not because I wish to show my erudition, but rather to establish my fitness for judging whether a literature is classical. Let me state unequivocally that, by any criteria one may choose, Tamil is one of the great classical literatures and traditions of the world.

The reasons for this are many; let me consider them one by one.

First, Tamil is of considerable antiquity. It predates the literatures of other modern Indian languages by more than a thousand years. Its oldest work, the Tolkappiyam,, contains parts that, judging from the earliest Tamil inscriptions, date back to about 200 BCE. The greatest works of ancient Tamil, the Sangam anthologies and the Pattuppattu, date to the first two centuries of the current era. They are the first great secular body of poetry written in India, predating Kalidasa's works by two hundred years.

Second, Tamil constitutes the only literary tradition indigenous to India that is not derived from Sanskrit. Indeed, its literature arose before the influence of Sanskrit in the South became strong and so is qualitatively different from anything we have in Sanskrit or other Indian languages. It has its own poetic theory, its own grammatical tradition, its own esthetics, and, above all, a large body of literature that is quite unique. It shows a sort of Indian sensibility that is quite different from anything in Sanskrit or other Indian languages, and it contains its own extremely rich and vast intellectual tradition.

Third, the quality of classical Tamil literature is such that it is fit to stand beside the great literatures of Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, Chinese, Persian and Arabic. The subtlety and profundity of its works, their varied scope (Tamil is the only premodern Indian literature to treat the subaltern extensively), and their universality qualify Tamil to stand as one of the great classical traditions and literatures of the world. Everyone knows the Tirukkural, one of the world's greatest works on ethics; but this is merely one of a myriad of major and extremely varied works that comprise the Tamil classical tradition. There is not a facet of human existence that is not explored and illuminated by this great literature.

Finally, Tamil is one of the primary independent sources of modern Indian culture and tradition. I have written extensively on the influence of a Southern tradition on the Sanskrit poetic tradition. But equally important, the great sacred works of Tamil Hinduism, beginning with the Sangam Anthologies, have undergirded the development of modern Hinduism. Their ideas were taken into the Bhagavata Purana and other texts (in Telugu and Kannada as well as Sanskrit), whence they spread all over India. Tamil has its own works that are considered to be as sacred as the Vedas and that are recited alongside Vedic mantras in the great Vaisnava temples of South India (such as Tirupati). And just as Sanskrit is the source of the modern Indo-Aryan languages, classical Tamil is the source language of modern Tamil and Malayalam. As Sanskrit is the most conservative and least changed of the Indo-Aryan languages, Tamil is the most conservative of the Dravidian languages, the touchstone that linguists must consult to understand the nature and development of Dravidian.

In trying to discern why Tamil has not been recognized as a classical language, I can see only a political reason: there is a fear that if Tamil is selected as a classical language, other Indian languages may claim similar status. This is an unnecessary worry. I am well aware of the richness of the modern Indian languages -- I know that they are among the most fecund and productive languages on earth, each having begotten a modern (and often medieval) literature that can stand with any of the major literatures of the world. Yet none of them is a classical language. Like English and the other modern languages of Europe (with the exception of Greek), they rose on preexisting traditions rather late and developed in the second millennium. The fact that Greek is universally recognized as a classical language in Europe does not lead the French or the English to claim classical status for their languages.

To qualify as a classical tradition, a language must fit several criteria: it should be ancient, it should be an independent tradition that arose mostly on its own not as an offshoot of another tradition, and it must have a large and extremely rich body of ancient literature. Unlike the other modern languages of India, Tamil meets each of these requirements. It is extremely old (as old as Latin and older than Arabic); it arose as an entirely independent tradition, with almost no influence from Sanskrit or other languages; and its ancient literature is indescribably vast and rich.

It seems strange to me that I should have to write an essay such as this claiming that Tamil is a classical literature -- it is akin to claiming that India is a great country or Hinduism is one of the world's great religions. The status of Tamil as one of the great classical languages of the world is something that is patently obvious to anyone who knows the subject. To deny that Tamil is a classical language is to deny a vital and central part of the greatness and richness of Indian culture.

(Signed:)

George L. Hart

Professor of Tamil

Chair in Tamil Studies


wissam 6 years ago

I strongley think Arabic is the oldest langauge on earth and is the origin of every other langauge. I say that based on the Quraan which tells us the story of Adam when he was created he was tought by god how to speak. arabic is closley related to aramic which is aactaully a northern arabic dialect. also hebrow is closeley reelated to arabic.

Also if we look at history Ibrahim was the founder of Makkeh and only one langage was used in makkeh which is arabic.

If you look at arabic you will see a balanced language with deep letters coming from the back of the mouth and frontal ones.

Arabic is very very rich langage. there are many words that have the same meaning or describe small differences between things (ie lion,horse,sward)

hindu langauges and european langages are more premative langages with less lettters and words which are borrowed from other languages


Lee 6 years ago

Putting religion and race/nationalistic sentiments aside, it's clear that Hebrew is one of the few, but definitely NOT the first, language. Just google up for some relatively well-evidenced findings from the language experts ;-) Wikipedia, anyone?

Men evolved from the African bushes and thousands of languages would have been created and gone extinct by the time the earliest historical records of languages are available.

My take would be that the oldest surviving language would be somewhere along the lines of Sanskrit, Tamil and Chinese, because that's where evidence seems to point to, and that's what history teachers will tell you. Oh, and maybe throw in aboriginal Australia and a bit of African bushmen language as well.

I would refrain from relating language to a particular culture or religion without adequate backing from sound historical or scientific evidence, because that would most probably skew the direction of a well-intended, constructive discussion. I live in a multi-racial country where the heavens are said to be populated by a christian god, a moslem god, a lot of hindu gods and even more gods from taoism/buddhism. Each religion seems to have its own beliefs about how men were created and how language was first spoken/written. It's mind-boggling, really.


kalyan 6 years ago

What is the benefit of knowing which is the oldest language?

Please enlighten me - any one?


Shay Berkovich 6 years ago

the reason for HEBREW to be the oldest language is simple.

The first known man in earth history is ADAM.

In HEBREW ADAM means: Land, Earth, Soil and so on beacuse God created the first Man from the earth itself. That is why it is commom to bury the deads.

Hebrew is the language of God, that is why U don't have record for use it in writing cause it was spoken only by the chosen one, Like Abraham after the Tower of Babel.


Kitty 6 years ago

Aramaic PREceeds Hebrew...Jesus spoke Aramaic. Arabic and Hebrew come from this.

so no, you are wrong. ask any anthro/archeologist lol.

and that came from Canann, assyrian,babylonian etc etc...and even then THOSE arent the oldest.

most scholars agree that written Sumerian which predates 3,000 bce (very closely followed by Ancient Egyptian, then Elamite, and Akkadian)

They all predate the earliest parts of the Judeo-christian Bible by many centuries. If by the "world's oldest language" you mean the language that has changed the least and is still spoken, this is also impossible to answer and would depend on how you measured how much a language has changed. Two candidates might be Greek which is still spoken and was first attested in writing between 1400 bce and 1200 bce and Aramaic which is still spoken and was first attested around the ninth or eighth c. bce.


stalin 6 years ago

hai any one the lemurian history .first know that and come for the argument


Samuel Pelegrini 6 years ago

Sanskrit is the oldest (and already "dead" here on Earth) language ever, and not only in this planet. It's still spoken in other very distant planets impossible to be reached physically, planets in which life is very different of ours and even planets in which life is practically the same as ours, with mere differences of size or something, planets very similar to Earth, but where people's and other being's bodies are very bigger like enormous giants if compared to us, and other unimaginable planetary systems, physical and not physical, with and without forms. Soon you all will know better about this. Just keep on sharing, mainly with the poor and the needy, try to extinguish poverty and live in pure love and compassion no matter the circumstances, follow the sublime example of every master followed by any kind of religion based on this only and same divine love and this only and same unity in diversity, this blissful non-duality, and let's our friends from outer places find a new possibility to descend and interact with us again. More than fifteen thousand years ago, Sanskrit was still spoken here, mankind had an amazing technology if compared to nowadays, and nuclear war around five thousand years ago led those former civilizations to extinction. We're in the fifteenth planetary cycle, this current Earth is the fourth after the destruction of the former three whole surfaces before, and until the fourteenth cycle such lack of unity and such kind of wars were unknown here. Let's bring back the pure love and peace we're made to live in, and this is only possible by renewing our lifestyles in order to rescue our natural divine state that due to the lack of sense of non-duality and the growth of duality - separation due to prejudice, non-acceptance of diversity -, we've practically lost, and let's God - this all-pervasive pure Love - be the foundation of our lives from here and on.

With Love,

Samuel


praba 6 years ago

no your comment is wrong . tamizh is only the language that found first in world.


Asma 6 years ago

I've read the comments and just wanted to say that there is no proof humans existed over millions of years ago. If we look at this from a religious point of view then Adam was on earth no longer then 10,000 yearsa ago.


Asma 6 years ago

by the way, hebrew comes from aramaic so it isnt really the first language on earth.


Crios 6 years ago

Wow, I'll keep in the good spirit of the discussion by being mild mannered but I will say this: the "rebuttles" of Cyermouses original hypothesis are what irritates me about these kind of debates with Atheist. The first thing an Atheist resorts to is "can't use the Bible".

You're right, you can't use the Bible in this kind of debate and he DIDN'T.

The Bible was simply the source for the words. He used the structure of those Hebrew words vs the periodic elements. The significance is that this word structure coincides with the structure of these elements and these elements coincide with the make up of the subject in which these Hebrew words refer, and these elements are as old as the universe itself. I.E. Humans are mostly carbon, carbon shares a parallel with the Hebrew word for Human. We also know that the people who wrote in Hebrew did not have the technology to intentionally create this parallel.

His hypothesis reminds me of an article I read by an astronomer that said the periodic elements would be our best chance of direct communication with an alien life form. While languages and symbology would most certainly vary, the basic elements of the universe are theorized to be a constant through-out the universe. In other words two hydrogen molecultes and one oxygen molecule would be water on planet Vulcan just as it is on earth. :-D And thus an illustration of 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen molecules would be the universal language for what English speakers call "water".

Therefore our best bet of communicating "water" to an alien life form would be to show it 2 hydrogen atoms and an oxygen item conjoined rather than trying to translate the written word "water".

The periodic elements of the universe can function as a "key" for all forms of communication in the universe.

WATER is H2O to English speaking people. VANN is H2O in Norwegian. Which means we can't communicate water to each other, especially if both our languages have never been discovered by the other. However if both people have the technology/intelligence to know the periodic elements then they have a common language.

His hypothesis while not all that extensive is quite sound in its current and limited form.

One does not have to believe in a God to believe that a language coinciding with the periodic elements could mean it comes from an ancient and intelligent source. For all we know Hebrew could be the remnants of a language taught to humans by an intelligent alien race that used the periodic elements to communicate. (Which again, would be the language of the universe).

His personal spin on the hypothesis is that it exists this way because of the intelligent intervention of a divine entity.

As an "intelligent" being with a scientific mind you have to learn to look at the core structure of a hypothesis and not reject it simply because you disagree with the persons religion. That's as much a blasphemy to the scientific process as any medievil church declaring that earth is the center of the universe because "God made it".


Arabo ben Arabo 6 years ago

Oldest is Arabic.

Hebrews didn't exist before Abraham

Abraham was in Mecca, Arabia.

Arabic is first.


lightninjack0 6 years ago

i am an observant jew and i say that the evolution theory is true. this world is millions if not billions of yrs old. G-d may have created the world over many time and displayed his wonders through gigantic creatures and wonders that we cant even imagine, we only see through clues that he left behind in the form of fossils. however the first man which Hashem breathed a soul into was adam. there may have been life forms much older that had the inability to accept any of the noahide laws or torah concepts that give us our humanity. the torah starts at genisis with clues to the actual creation of our planet and then tells of the first man because we as a people dont need to know the details of those who lived before him. the torah says that G-d created the universe the same way he breathed a sould into the first man, using the letter Hey from the hebrew alpha bais. this is the one letter that doesnt require lips, teeth or a tounge to make its sound. i cant say that early huminoids, before the first man didnt have a language or a way to verbally communicate, but i would be interested to see any letters or form of hyrogliphics from before the torah was given, about 3500 yrs ago, and if adam actually wrote a book or something in printed form with actual letters, that would be closer to 5000 yrs ago.

as for the athiests that have posted comments on this site, just remember, we are in G-ds universe, He is not in ours. athiests are people that i believe Hashem is very impressed with because many people with this mindset are quite upright and they obey the laws of man (most of which eminate from the torah), without expecting a divine reward for it and do the right thing often because they believe in decency and proper conduct. the only problem is that they cannot see or dont want to see G-d in the world. "show me proof". He is all around you, you only need to open your eyes and you will see the truth, in front of you every moment, every day. to the athiest i say that G-d will reveal Himself to you right before your death, but if He wants you, you will see him in time to walk in His ways.


lightninjack0 6 years ago

i would just like to clarify. i dont bevlieve for a moment that adam or eve came from evolution and that G-d gave them a soul, at this point G-d made adam and eve directly with His own hand.


David Stinnett 6 years ago

Ok, firts of all, neither hebrew, sanskrit, tamil, ect, ect, ect. Hebrew, and sanskrit are Indo-european languages, and Tamil is a Dravidian language. all these languages came from and earlier language that was first used to homo-sapiens. this could be said even if you believe in the bible(in a logical way) or in evolution, or anything in between. If you believe in the bible then you know all languages come from the babylon, that is an area where the Indo-european language is though to come from, and some great event is said to have scattered the people who lived there all over the world(at least, the Europe and India) so that is that.

as for atheists(or logical people lol)take the historical facts and take out the theology. but indo-european is not the first language, it is connected to other languages just as old, by the label Eurasiatic, so before that was proto-asiatic, which is connected to norastic. which is the so called first language. this language is above eurasiatic, Altaic(anything connected to turkish, japonic, korean, mogolic, and tunguskic), Dravidian(the original languages of india, Uralic(the languages of the ural mountains), Kartevelian(Every language related to modern georgia), Afroasiatic(the languages of modern africa and arabia), and Eskimo-Aluet(the languages of the people who crossed the land bridge between asia and amaerica) so that is a brief history of language


Adamous sandious 6 years ago

Netherdal and other fossils are not humans and have nothing to do with Adam

Since Evolutionists don’t believe in God ,they want things to happen by themselves


AJ 6 years ago

At "lightninjack0" you said: "G-d will reveal Himself to you right before your death" LMAO, when Gods reveals himself/herself to you, make sure you let us know how it went, OK.


AJ 6 years ago

It's 2010? The ancient Greeks used to believe in God's, like Zeus and others living on mountain tops. People made sacrifices to God's, even made sacrifices of each other. However, when we hear all about these, all we do is? laugh at them. Yet you think a bearded man rising up to the heavens is believable, an illiterate man who conned his people into fighting for him with the sword was a prophet? That's right, these are your modern day sacrifices. You all chose to live in fear of a GOD, which none of you simple, perplexed idiots cant prove, and sayings it's in the bible is the most asinine comeback. You're all have been slaves to religion that was invented my men, the bible written by men, the interminable fairytale stories are complete joke. You religious fanatics need religion and a God to feel good, like an addictive drug addicts needs drugs to satisfy themselves. You're all sick in the head. Religion the biggest scam ever invented by men to control weak minded idiots. FACT, as history proves it, religion set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. Every religion has established itself by pretending some special mission from God, communicated to certain individuals. The Jews have their Moses; the Christians their Jesus Christ, and the Muslims their Muhammad, as if the way to God was not open to every man alike. All churches show certain books, which they call revelation, or the word of God; so how the fuck can anyone of you prove which one is real and which one is false? You can't, because all you idiot's go back and say, "well it's in my bible." So pathetic, it's not even funny. Go ahead and live in fear, while I'll live in freedom.

"The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it(religious morons)"

-Voltaire.


hi 6 years ago

I think Hebrew and Arabic should be the oldest lang. still spoken today. Tamil is no way the oldest compared to Arabic or Hebrew. Off course one can correlate by taking few words of two different language and say this comes from that, etc..

Modern tamil is just 3000 yrs old (i.e. roughly 500 BC).

Some ppl. told by citing Ramayana Sanskrit is old. However Valmiki composed Ramayana in roughly 5 or 6th century. Ramayana contains the happening of threta yuga..But he did not wrote in threta yuga!!!


suzxian 6 years ago

...the first language came from birdsong.


Zaibachthemind 6 years ago

Hebrew is not the oldest language. The phoenician alphabet outdates it and science can prove that, just do a quick internet search. Religion is important in life, but you cannot let it restrict you from using your mind. Science and math have made human civilization. The printing presses that make holy bibles and korans were invented and made. If a person studies history, at a 5th grader reading level, you could debunk almost everything contained in the bible. Religion exists as a guideline for life, not as the sole basis for it. I really don't care whether or not anyone else believes in god, just don't close your mind to the infinite possibilites of life.


Aandal 6 years ago

A good topic, which I really enjoyed. Any one knows about 'Agathiyam', 'Tolkapiyam','PattuPaatu', 'Silapathikaram', 'Tirukural'? if u know what is this all, surely will get unswers! The world oldest civilization is Tamilian 10,000BC.

As per historical evidence the Oldest languages which have written forms as from their Origin are Tamil. Tamil is having a grand history of more than 10,000 years. this is fact as per history... Do you know about 'Kumari kandam'(Lemuria)?


HMMm 6 years ago

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Cybermouse 6 years ago from Bentonville, AR Author

Something

...lol sorry. I know it's been a while. Graduating from college is not an easy can of tuna to open, as a friend once put it. But I have, and I did...though not necessarily in that order. Anyway, these billion comments are getting kind of unwieldy...it's takes like ten minutes to load the page anymore, ha ha.


suzxian 6 years ago

...after all that, Cybermouse??

p.s. AJ - Is that you in Phoenix?


what 6 years ago

SRIKANTH!!!!...I have to say your comment was my favorite one! I couldn't have said it better myself. Some things will remain a mystery, and are meant to remain a mystery except to those who God reveals His secrets with! Cybermouse...I like the way you responded to some comments that annoyed me, and you handled it in a such a cool way, I admire that. Now, I think your theory on Hebrew being the oldest language and how the Hebrew alphabet maps with the periodic table, great evidence towards your theory. It also indicates the omniscience of our God. It's not a coincidence, it's the brilliance and infinite knowledge of The Omniscient God, Creator of the universe. Duh! Also, a pun in the name Babel that no Hebrew reader would miss. The verb confuse sounds similar to the name of the city Babel, (and Babylon)there the Lord confused the Language. The city that marked the beginning of racial, ethnic, cultural and family diversity. That's what my Bible, the word of God says. This was a fun and interesting topic. I pray your relationship with God strengthens Cybermouse. And that He makes you a great fisherman of men.


MOHAMMED AQIL KHAN 6 years ago

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Stampjack 6 years ago

You have a very interesting hub here. I grew up a very religous person in the bible belt USA and can remember asking my mom questions at church like: what happens to people who never hears about jesus christ or why don't they say anything about dinosaurs in the bible. Long Story Short I went to college and due to an open mind and not willing to live my life like one of the sheep...I am no longer religious although I due believe our existence here is no accident...I'm agnostic in a way but due to my brainwashing as a child I have a belief that there has to be a Reason "God" or "whoever" put us here...I can remember asking a question to a man wo belives in every word of the bible...If god created adam and eve and they had 2 sons and told them to go out and multiply ...who did they go out and multiply with...did he create two other women for them? Also I am a great great grand son of slaves..How could a relious group justify this and claim to be good? So many questions...You or no one else can claim to know the a answer ...not even a group of men in a room who put together the bible and other religious books and say that this is what good meant...Who cares what the first language was hebrew,arabic,etc...all the cultures claim to be God and enslaved people and fought wars in the name of good just like they do today...not to mention steal from Sheep ie little old ladies and hopeless people all over the world...I don't claim to know what god is but I know what he is not...Sorry for the rambling... Check this documentery out: The zietgeist documentery http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847...


ap 6 years ago

the worlds first language started in east africa


ktb 6 years ago

do not hesitate others by strong shampoo.huhuhu


Arif 6 years ago

"LOVE" is the oldest language of the world.

"HATE" is a latest language....bring spoken by selfish minds now a days....


Sixtus 6 years ago

Well the first language was with the Creator and the same language wanted to become more like the Creator for which it fell from grace and splitted in many a tongue's, its like a Crystal plate beautiful to see under the light, but in dark its of no use, so is all the mind set of the human's , all we do is to cry when we are born we do know not know anything other than that.. If i take a child born in China and raise him up in Iceland , he will deifnatly will speak icelandic not Chinese.. like wise when the world spread so is the language.. and the mother of all language is SILENCE, and its in all of us & that is the Soul and it knows all Language.. What if Hebrew, Sanskrit, Tamil, or any other language is the orgin of language does it make a diffrence then and now? all we need to do is MOVE FORWARD and cherish these acient language's before they get morphed with slangs.. Orgin or Orginal is not important its what is that make us Humans understand and preseve the world...


Indian 6 years ago

It is hard to trace to which language the world spoke or wrote before God(Yahweh)confuse the language at the tower of Babel. I think it is save to assume that the original language is lost at that time hence we can see the inter-connectivity of each distinctive language that came from Adam and Eve.

The earth is just 6000 years plus old but not older then that. Hinduism has a beginning and is it found in the bible. First few chapter of Ezekiel will give you an idea where the form of the hindu gods came from.


Mohamad Fazli 6 years ago

The DNA code is the oldest language.

Genetics is the language of GOD.

It is the language that GOD speaks to engineer into being all the human beings that have ever lived in this world.

So, all of you can stop arguing now.

Thank you.


Stampjack 6 years ago

Ha! HMMMM....Well said Mohamad Fazli ...Makes sense to me.


Mohamad Fazli 6 years ago

Thank you for the vote of confidence Stampjack...I just want to add that Galileo Galilei wrote a book titled "The language of GOD is mathematics"...Mathematics is the language of Physics and the universe that GOD created can be written by physical laws...just to share a thought with you.


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hi just reading through some commemts about dna being the oldest language what about rna histones ect. my dad has discovered the template and has decoded it as some of your writers have stated talking to god i my self am just a layman . the template for regulatory genes and funtional genes we are just waiting for someone to listen. dad has spent he reckons thounds of hours decoding this template.he says excuse the french but we are all made of piss and shit .and he agrees eveything is one big computer program contoled by who or what is yet to be solved or discovered but one thing is for sure the decoded template is 100% spot on. thanks for reading my comments and i hope together we can get this template out there because i believe it to be the biggest discovery of our time.dads main aim is to use this template to help to cure the many diseases that we mankind have found ourselves suffering of over many years .somebody out there must be able to put this discovery to the test in a labortory or in some way .please help.


Rajesh R.Nair 6 years ago

@ Indian That's rubbish.The earth is only 6000 years old !!!!


sonny.R.me 6 years ago

SANSKRIT is NOT a language people!... It was hyroglyphic therefore had no universal understanding of how to be spoken.... NOT a Language... the oldest official language spoken and grammatically written is Sumerian...SUMMERIAN!!!!!!


Curtis 6 years ago

The original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel was the pure original tongue. After the fall of man the language began to change (A good example is to observe how much English has changed from Shakespear untill today). The Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel had now slightly changed to Adnatu Lashanu (Akkadian for the "World Language"). From this sprang all of the Mediteranian languages—Sumerian, Egyptian, Akkadian, Old Hebrew, ect. When the Old Hebrew speaking tribes conquered Canaan land they "reabsorbed" some of the original elements of the original language that they had lost (These elements were reabsorbed from the languages of Akkadian, Sumerian, Egyptian, Phoenician, ect.). When Moses (Moshe) and the prophets spoke with God they reabsorbed from his language the lost elements of the original Edenic Ha'Kodel tongue. Moses and the prophets, obviously, would pass these restored elements back into their tribes language as they were teaching and preaching to them. The result is Classical Hebrew which is the purist and closest form of language to the original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel tongue.

An archaeological find:

"These tablets date back to the middle of the 3rd millenium BC, almost 4,500 years ago. They are written in Sumerian wedge-shaped cuneiform script which is the world's oldest known written language. Deciphering these tablets, Professor Pettinato, also of the University of Rome, found the language used to be what he called Old Canaanite' even though the script was cuneiform Sumerian. This very ancient language is closer in vocabulary and grammar to biblical Hebrew than any other Canaanite dialect', including Ugaritic; this therefore gives evidence as to the age of the Hebrew language."- John Fulton

(Research notes courtesy of Dr. C Ward)


Prahallad Sahoo 6 years ago

According to my opinion Sanskrit is the oldest language of the World.

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poetic grace 6 years ago

This hub is AMAZING!!!

KUDOS TO CYBERMOUSE!!!

Well done.


Srinivas 6 years ago

Greatest,oldest, ancient, classical..and what not evrything is tamil........


Senthi 6 years ago

Nice Hub and a nice topic has been being discussed for 2 years..

We need more Historical evidences and science knowledge to find out which is the first language.

It should be categorized into 2 ways, one - the first spoken language, the other - first written language. (otherwise both are pointed towards a single language)

or there may be 2 different languages evolved in separate part of the world at the same time.

I will give my view later..

thanks cybermouse for starting this hub topic..


eric 6 years ago

According to the HOLY BIBLE all languages in the world arised from one language.Like all human beings in the world were descended from Adam and Eve.This is a universal truth.The evidence to prove this is everywhere around us and in us.Ask any sensible scientist or a linguist,their answer will be surprising.DNA in all human beings(past,present and even in future)are and will be 99% similar.Likewise most of the basic words in all languages are surprisingly similar.To clarify your doubts get a multilingual dictionary and see some basic every day words we use like,WATER,MILK,FOOD, GOD,MOTHER,ECT.I think it is a waste of time and energy to probe deep into these matters. Select hardly one year old babes(who could utter a few words of their language) from different parts of the world whose parents speak differet languages which are not closely related to each other,leave them on their own for some time and see how they communicate.


Elena 6 years ago

The first and therefore oldest written language was Sumerian. They invented writing in around 3300BC, before Egyptian, and well before Sanskrit.

The oldest written records in the world are Sumerian from the southern end of the Euphrates and Tigris River valleys (modern Iraq). This is the oldest written language based on the dating of the city ruins in which the records were found. Sumerians were not "an Arab tribe". Their language is unrelated to any other language in the world.

Sumerian (5000 years old), Ancient Egyptian (4500 years old), Hittite (3500 years old), Mycenean Greek (3500 years old), Latin (2800 years old), Sanskrit (2500 years old), Old Chinese (2500 years old), Mayan (2500 years old).


var 6 years ago

its sanskrit


TIGRDOG 6 years ago

Fascinating read....


G.L. 6 years ago

Very interesting how a such old (ancient I should say)issue still on "hot debate" even on contemporary days. Clearly , the need of communication was of a crucial importance between human beeings like is for all the other creatures on the Planet Earth. A just born baby is communicating with his mother (using its own means), the very young children they communicating very well between them even they do not belong to the same race or culture since they don't know yet to speak one language or another...but they are communicating ,that's important !

By growing and learning their own languages people actually find a very hard way (if not imposible)to communicate with each other. Keeping this algorithm I would say - if you can accept it - that was the first "language" in the world that is "the way the very young children communicating with each other".

However it's no point to connect the spoken language with the existence of an alphabet. All of us we first speak then we write ! So, same happened ,surely,with the "first language" on Earth. That's why it's not left any "written document" about it since was only spoken.

In what regards Europe,some of historians,archeologists and linguists agreed that Pelasgian-Thracian could be the oldest language especially after they (the archeologists) found all around the area between middle-lower course of the Danube,Carpathian Mountains and the Black Sea (placed over the territories of Romania,Bulgaria and former Yugoslavia) some small clay tablets engraved with inscriptions using an unknown alphabet and relating them with Pelasgian-Thracian civilization.Some scientists claim that the inscriptions on the tablets in question have been more or less successfully deciphered and revealed their connection with the civilizations mentioned above .Some of these tablets have been discovered on the Romanian territory on the location of Tartaria and once dated with C14 they appeared to be 1000 to 1500 years older than the tablets found in Sumer which have been credited untill recently to be the oldest writing in the world...However,the existence of an alphabet and the discoveries of some inscriptions still not demonstrate that the language using them is the oldest in the world ! We can say,eventually, that one language (based on discovered inscriptions ) is older than the other but that's all...! Which one is the oldest ? Any civilization appeared and developed along the big rivers in the world . See the Egyptians along the Nile, the Assyrians and Babylonians along the Tigris and Euphratus,the Indians along the Gange,the Thracians along the Danube and so on...What about the Amazon River in South America...? The explorers have discovered deep in the jungle some tribes which (amazingly !!!) still beeing on "The Stone Age" ! And the Amazonian jungle still not beeing totally explored even on these days... Are those "Stone Age" amazonian tribes using the oldest language in the world...? Difficult to say,...I believe !

Looks like this issue still beeing under "hot debate"...!


Anbu 6 years ago

Tamil is the very First and Oldest Language in the World

It is proved by lot of Scientist and also accepted by most of the scientists.

Before Aryans(Sanskrit) comes to India, Dravidian(Tamil) people living in Indai with high standard. Even Aryans dont have any specific language when they comes to India. They develop their language after comes to India only. There is lot of Tamil words in Sanskrit.

Ref:

ca. 200,000 to 50,000 BC: Evolution of "the Tamilian or Homo Dravida",

ca. 200,000 to 100,000 BC: Beginnings of the Tamil language

50,000 BC: Kumari Kand am civilisation

20,000 BC: A lost Tamil culture of the Easter Island which had an advanced civilisation

16,000 BC: Lemuria submerged

6087 BC: Second Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king

3031 BC: A Chera prince in his wanderings in the Solomon Island saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Kumari Kand am.

1780 BC: The Third Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king

7th century BC: Tolkappiyam (the earliest known extant Tamil grammar)


Franklin 6 years ago

Anbu u explained it clearly...abt the lost continent(near tamilnadu submerged by ocean) b'fore christ... I agree with ur comments to claim tamil is the oldest languages in this universe..


karthik 6 years ago

Mr.cyber mouse :-),

We cant yet fully conclude what the worlds oldest spoken language is, but the worlds oldest alphabet/writing system/symbols of communication or whatever they can be called have been discovered in south asia( india pakistan)

Heres the link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/334517.s...


Gold 6 years ago

According to me Tamil is the oldest language in the world. Tamil is not known by most of the people. Tamil is used in south India in the state Tamil Nadu. But there is no proof to say that Tamil is oldest language. But everyone knows Thirukural which was written in Tamil. Age of Thirukural will be more than 2000 years. It is fully grammar. It may take time to find grammar for a language. If one found grammar means he only can’t use that. He wants to teach to others. By practice only fluent grammar will come. If Thirukural was written in fluent Tamil grammar means the birth of Tamil grammar will be old. No one will say there is no grammar in Thirukural. Before talking & writing a language we cant find grammar for that. So the age of Tamil will be higher. There are some more ethics were written in Tamil which was older than Thirukural but there are not famous in today’s world. Some stones were found with Tamil words but can’t identify its age. In India only there is Sanskrit. Every one say that Sanskrit is older than Tamil but it’s not true. The root of Sanskrit is from Tamil. Most of Tamil words will resemble in Sanskrit but few of Sanskrit words are been used in Tamil. There are lot of reasons to say Tamil is the world’s oldest language and “World First Spoken Language Is Tamil”.


Wodin 6 years ago

When man banded together in order to survive being prey or predator, some form of language would have been established, therefore making it the oldest language.

All of you have been talking about written forms of language.

Without time tavel you will never know.


chaosWyrm 6 years ago

wow...a lot of ideas on here.

well the oldest language *still in use* is tamil.

in use means...normal everyday people speak it to communicate to each other on a daily basis.

as for the comments on hebrew being the oldest language...well thats just plain not the case.

the first languages were spoken by early humans in the very beginning of human evolution. before there were religions...as how can there be religion without language to discuss ideas about religion?

these languages were spoken by people living in the african plains, before humans left africa to spread out across the globe. they were most likely similar to (but not the same as) the click languages of the ancient tribes that inhabit africa to this day.

so unless you believe that early humans in africa (perhaps even before they were actually homo sapiens) were speaking hebrew, then the op's theory doesnt stand up. and if you do believe that...well i dont know what to tell you...that notion is patently absurd.


violet 6 years ago

constructive criticism?-theres some:you're thought is amasing onely till the point where Hebrew is still used today,other stuff arent containing enough scientific evidence to prove even close that it is the first.Your quinsidences are verry interesting and i have to say true but i myself use that making when trying to prove something to me-part scientific,part my buleaf-and in order for me to buleave you even though i understand u-i gota stick to the reality and oda have to asc you to give us some scientific feedbacks-oh and i apolagice for my spelling-im still learning.


Zaki Adam 6 years ago

The influence of Arabic has been most important in Islamic countries. Arabic is a major source of vocabulary for languages such as Amharic,[citation needed] Baluchi, Bengali, Berber, Catalan, Cypriot Greek, Gujarati, Hebrew, Hindustani, Indonesian, Kurdish, Malay, Marathi, Pashto, Persian, Portuguese, Punjabi, Rohingya, Sindhi, Somali, Spanish, Swahili, Tagalog, Turkish and Urdu as well as other languages in countries where these languages are spoken.

In addition, English has many Arabic loan words, some directly but most through the medium of other Mediterranean languages. Examples of such words include admiral, adobe, alchemy, alcohol, algebra, algorithm, alkaline, almanac, amber, arsenal, assassin, banana, candy, carat, cipher, coffee, cotton, hazard, jar, jasmine, lemon, loofah, magazine, mattress, sherbet, sofa, sugar, sumac, tariff and many other words. Other languages such as Maltese[8] and Kinubi derive from Arabic, rather than merely borrowing vocabulary or grammar rules.


Bligh 6 years ago

Definitely tamil is the oldest language still in use today


Ashen Juggernarth 6 years ago

Since Hinduism is the oldest religion known to man, it would mean that it's lanuage (Sanskrit) would be the oldest language known to man. Sanskrit dates back to thousands and if not, millions of years ago. The story of Rama dates back to more than a million years ago. I certainly agree with Sudesh Anand, that sanskrit is the mother of all languages. Tamil and Hindi have been derived directly from Sanskrit and these two languages are much older than Hebrew. Therefore, 1 = Sanskrit, 2 = Hindi or Tamil, 3 = all languages that followed


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bluebird 6 years ago

Hey guys, you all need to remember one thing: The very first word of this author's title for this hubpage is the word THEORY, right? That means this author's opinion is not set in stone, it is a theory. Try to remember that and maybe there wouldn't be so much arguing a point. My theory from reading all the comments is that no one knows definitely what is the oldest language. I think everyone who thinks they know oughta back down and accept the fact that their opinion on this is also only a THEORY!!!


sabiya noor 5 years ago

i am doing research since 20 year the book will be published soon i scientificaly proved which was first language pls visit queen publication

http://www.queenpublication.blogspot.com/

muthu


off-topic 5 years ago

i haven't read all of this, simply the beginning, but in that time found the void between evolution and creationism intriguing.

creationism, beginning of the first day is what would be called the "big bang" or epoch, where God created matter (before you consider asking me to prove that he did, please notice that there is no way for matter to observe happenings before matter existed, and so NOBODY can prove where matter came from, only that it came from somewhere). After that he guided matter to form the Earth (very specifically so that it could support life), simple life, and guided evolution from that point on. Creation happened, evolution is happening, and it makes sense. Everyone's happy.

Except those that argue there cannot be a benevolent God. I'm assuming this entire existence is a trial of souls, but i could always be wrong. By not allowing souls free action and the consequences of that action, he wouldn't be able to test them, and so allows us to be stupid.


Malcom Ditto 5 years ago

Great Discussion, thanks to peoples who put tamil is the oldest language. There are lot of evidences to mention here,

Tamil language inscriptions written circa 1st century BCE and 2nd century CE have been discovered in Egypt, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

The earliest epigraphic records found on rock edicts and hero stones date from around the 3rd century BCE. A large number of literary works in Old Tamil have also survived. These include a corpus of 2,381 poems collectively known as Sangam literature. These poems are usually dated to between the 1st and 5th centuries AD, which makes them the oldest extant body of secular literature in India. Other literary works in Old Tamil include two long epics, Cilappatik?ram and Ma?im?kalai, and a number of ethical and didactic texts, written between the 5th and 8th centuries. The earliest period of Tamil literature, Sangam literature, is dated from the 300 BCE – 300 CE.

The two earliest manuscripts from India, to be acknowledged and registered by UNESCO Memory of the World register in 1997 & 2005 were in Tamil. More than 55% of the epigraphical inscriptions – about 55,000 – found by the Archaeological Survey of India are in the Tamil language.

Sanskrit - Not prior to Tamil (Aryan invaded India and settled over there where they learnt lot from Tamil)

Arabic - Not prior to Persian which exists 3000 years back (All Classics are in Persian only, not in Arabic but the peoples are saying everything in name of Arabic example "Arabian Tales")

Hebrew, Latin, Greek - Not prior to Tamil (because Tamil are far more civilized where they had the best grammatical work in the world).

Some sources say, even the Australian Aborgines what they are speaking still now, some of the words are in Tamil. In Korea also same where they call their parents Appa & Amma which is Tamil.

I think this is quite enough to proof, "THAT TAMIL IS THE OLDEST LANGUAGE IN THE WORLD"


AhmedNaseer 5 years ago

The oldest language in Arabic, and then farisi there after hebrow


bandit 5 years ago

the oldest language is music.


Nottylibrarian4u 5 years ago

The Aryan invasion concept was fabricated by the europeans mopre than 200 years ago. The first language spoken, written, nanalyzed discovered zero were all sanskrit. Though Tamil came is not sanskrit but it came personally by the Sanskrit speaking Lord Muruga, hence Sanskrit has always been there in the continent , actually it was spoken all over the world. Old Tamil & Sanskrit writtings are being discovered all over the world, it only takes time before scientifically it is proven.

If you do not care for the modern scientific equipment that even carbon dating can only provide evidence up to 40,000 years and not older, then I read the ancient Sanathna Dharma (Hindu) scrolls. The records shows Rama's era was 1.8 million years ago. What about before that??? You do the math after reading the Srimad Bagavatham - the existing records.


Nottylibrarian4u 5 years ago

Ummm let me also remind that even arabic month Ramadhan comes from Sanskrit Rama which means pure/pleasure and so the very first word ever uttered is AUMM (OMMMMMMM) before it was corrupted by various modern langauges into Amin and amen.


Satish 5 years ago

I beleive it must be language closely associated or more or like Hebrew.


DINESHDERICK 5 years ago

TAMIL IS THE OLDEST LANGUAGE IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE


Keerthana 5 years ago

Don't you all think it is possible that BOTH HEBREW and SANSKRIT evolved around about the same time, on different sides of the earth?

Indian languages evolved from Sanskrit,and Egyptian, Sumerian,languages etc, along with Greek and Hebrew formed another sector.

But they had no contact due to geographical barriers. Later on, as civilization evolved, and boats, etc were formed, people crossed over borders, and exchanged vocabulary. We can see some Sanskrit roots in other languages, and similar words in German, Greek, etc.


ABDKAREEM 5 years ago

TO ME THE FIRST & OLDEST LANGUAGE IS ARABIC LANGUAGE . BECAUSE ALL OTHER LANGUAGES EXISTED FROM IT I HEARD IN THE BIBLE THAT LANGUAGE WAS SCATTERED WEN SOME SET OF PEAPLE WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE THAT LL REACH HEAVEN, ASIDE THAT ARABIC IS THE LANGUAGE WE SHALL SPEEK ON THE LAST DAY ASK THE ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS SCHOOLAS ARROUND YOU ARABIC THE BEST LANGUAGE IT EXIST EVEN IN MY LANGUAGE YORUBA , HAUSA , I DOUBT IGBO, MUCH OF IT IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE


merlotda_wine 5 years ago

ABD KAreem, like a proud frog that lived in a well and boasts about it, your arabic language is much less than 4 thousand year old. If you read the Srimad Bagavatham,the oldest texts in the world, you will understand that Sanskrit is older than milleniums unlike Islam that just a baby religion sprout 2 thousand years ago.


nri 5 years ago

Brahmi is oldest language of Indian subcontinent. However Sanskrit is merely 2000 years old which originated from Latin and greek.

Brahmi was practiced right from Indus valley civilization which was part of Sramanic and Dravidian culture.


Reseacher1 5 years ago

Just want to passed this on: "Jerusalem Find is Oldest Know Written Text" post July 14 2010.

http://www.tonic.com/article/jerusalem-find-is-old...


Sha 5 years ago

Tamil is the Oldest language.


NAZEER HUSEN 5 years ago

As per Quran, Adam alahissalam seletecd Arabic longuage becouse in arabic longuage giving Appreciation/respect to Allah is more than compare to other longuage. When Allah created Adam (Alaihissalam)Allah asked which longuage you like to speak at that time Adam has selected the Arabic longuage, then Allah asked to Adam you selected these longuage then Adam said as above..., (the truth Never hide nor deleted)


Kartheesan 5 years ago

Dear all,

i have done rearch on this field. i have made one machine for sound modulator. that machine is able to module all sounds include so many years oldest sound also.

basic theory of the machine is all words exit from each person are not dead but the vibration will be reduce but never die,

by using this theory my machine is working. i have found the some old languages but i can not understand the name of this language


bigdickshurt 5 years ago

the oldest spoken language is CHAV,thats a fact. the best,enjoy while you can coz your slanty eyed little countrys gunna get blowd up soon enough.gotta go now my arse needs scratching.


Ashlie 5 years ago

No-One Will Ever Truely Know What The Oldest Language Is but I Think It's Tamil


wall e 5 years ago

there are no proofs for some myths.

people call them oldest because it is written that when it happened but no one proved was that really happened??

Dravid came first in india and Tamil is oldest language not sanskrit.

Aaryans claim that sanskrit is old bt not true they came in india after dravidians and nagas.

So tamil is oldest language in india bt in world dont know.

even if bible is written later it contains history of man

and more importantly people seen JESUS. But There is no proof for some myths that happened or not ?


dibnesh 5 years ago

hai I think sanskrit is the very ancient language in the world bcause if you compare the hebrue and sanskrit we should understand which one is ancient I strongly belive that sankrit is the ancient one .There is some similarity in bible and vedas bible says stories bt vedas says actualities.


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TopNicher 5 years ago from Philippines

Hi sir, thanks for this post. I am 100% believer that Hebrew is the oldest language. The artifacts written in Hebrew scripts tell of genuine and reliable facts and not mythical like those written in some so called old scripts full of bizarre accounts and I am saying that they inlude the egyptian hieroglyphs. Carbon dating... nah, I don't believe it is even accurate. What the Bible dates, like the flood and the rest of historic world events are becoming a reliable scientific data, and many scientific theories had been corrected through recent archeological finds that agree with the Biblical account. Its writing is even safe guarded by the strict rules in writing a Seffer Torah whose exact copy still exist today. So whatever it says there, I believe it to be true. God is a kind GOD, HE does not complicate truth. If HE wants to tell it, HE tells it in the most ancient language, have it written, and protects it until everything is accomplished.


Daniel 5 years ago

Ancient civilization existed along river banks. The first man was put in the Garden of Eden which was watered by 4 rivers - Pishon, Euprates Tigris and ??. Therefore the first civilization started along this 4 rivers. Only 2 rivers exist now i.e. Euphrates and Tigris.The most ancient civilization is therefore the Sumerians who lived along these 4 river banks. This first group of people spoke the same language and because of their arrogance and challenge to God, God confused their language and dispersed them. This is how all the other language of the world's started.The exact date of the first man is still a questionmark. When God dispersed these people they settled at all the other parts of the world. The second after Sumerian's could be the the Vedic people who lived at the Indus valley. For your information there is no Aryan invasion.The Vedic people existed long before that. The Vedas mention the river Saraswati numerous times and archeologist have proven that this river dried up at 1800BC. If the Aryan came into India at 1500BC than it is bull shit because at this time they would have not seen the river Saraswati to record events connecting to this river. The vedic people is the ingenious people of India. This people spoke Sanskrit, the Europens created the theory of Aryan invasion because they could not accept the fact that all the European languages started its root from Sanskrit. What I am saying is that Sanskrit is old but not older than Sumerian and definately older than Tamil. It is from Sanskrit that all the other Indian languages originated.


gimi 5 years ago

The first old language is ALBANIAN prof on this link

http://www.fwf.ac.at/en/public_relations/press/pv2...


gim 5 years ago

Press Release

(Old) Albanian - Living legacy of a dead language?

According to the central hypothesis of a project undertaken by the Austrian Science Fund FWF, Old Albanian had a significant influence on the development of many Balkan languages. Intensive research now aims to confirm this theory. This little-known language is being researched using all available texts before a comparison with other Balkan languages is carried out. The outcome of this work will include the compilation of a lexicon providing an overview of all Old Albanian verbs.

Different languages in the same geographical area often reveal certain similarities, despite there being no evidence of a common origin. This phenomenon, known as "Sprachbund", is also evident in the Balkan region where the Albanian, Greek, Bulgarian, Macedonian and Romanian languages display common words and structures. The question is whether these languages have influenced one another, or whether one specific language has been decisive in shaping the evolution of the others?

A project by the Department of Linguistics at the University of Vienna aims to prove that (Old) Albanian was a major influence on the other Balkan languages. Linguist Dr. Stefan Schumacher and his colleague Dr. Joachim Matzinger are undertaking pioneering research in two key areas. The initial stage involves an in-depth examination of Old Albanian, as research into this language is extremely scarce in comparison to modern Albanian. This includes an analysis of the Old Albanian verbal system using all available written sources - the first study of its kind. In the second stage, the results are compared with the verbal systems of the other Balkan languages to establish where similarities occur.

Influences from Albania

As project leader Dr. Schumacher explains, the research is already bearing fruit: "So far, our work has shown that Old Albanian contained numerous modal levels that allowed the speaker to express a particular stance to what was being said. Compared to the existing knowledge and literature, these modal levels are actually more extensive and more nuanced than previously thought. We have also discovered a great many verbal forms that are now obsolete or have been lost through restructuring - until now, these forms have barely even been recognized or, at best, have been classified incorrectly." These verbal forms are crucial to explaining the linguistic history of Albanian and its internal usage.

However, they can also shed light on the reciprocal relationship between Albanian and its neighbouring languages. The researchers are following various leads which suggest that Albanian played a key role in the Balkan Sprachbund. For example, it is likely that Albanian is the source of the suffixed definite article in Romanian, Bulgarian and Macedonian, as this has been a feature of Albanian since ancient times.

Literature

This project is based on the entire body of available Old Albanian literature dating from between the 16th and 18th centuries. This will prove a real challenge for the researchers as it comprises 1,500 pages of text, each of which must be analysed extremely carefully. Dr. Matzinger comments: "Until now, very little research has been carried out on these texts, as we are dealing almost exclusively with Catholic religious literature that was first forgotten and then became taboo, particularly during the Communist era. Following the fall of Communism, this literature has once again emerged from the shadows, but, so far, there has been a lack of money and of background knowledge about Catholicism."

Due to their role in the FWF project, these old texts are receiving a new lease of life and taking their place as part of Austria's rich tradition of research into this area - indeed, the Austrian professor Norbert Jokl, who was killed by the Nazis, is known as the "father of Albanology". Jokl would no doubt have been proud to witness the first complete representation of the Old Albanian verbal system in the form of the lexicon that is to be produced at the conclusion of the research. This will provide a foundation for all future investigations into the verbal system of Albanian and will also prove invaluable to Indo-European studies and linguistics as a whole.

Scientific Contact

Dr. Stefan Schumacher

University of Vienna

Institute of Linguistics / Indo-European Studies

Dr.-Karl-Lueger-Ring 1

1010 Wien, Austria

T +43 / 1 / 4277 - 41 753

M +43 / 676 / 79 73 521

E stefan.schumacher@univie.ac.at

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mckenz 5 years ago

The oldest language for all your information is sign language. Before the ability to speak there was obviously another form of communicating. Which would be vastly older than any language anywhere. "one must crawl before one walks. And to develop any type of dialect takes years.


Robinsonm kennady 5 years ago

I am happy to read all those comments reklated to the oldest language of the world? Any how Sanskrit and Tamil are finally accepted as oldest languages of the world. Interestingly sanskrit is having the support of scholars and researchers. Toprove tamil is the oldest language it still needs some more archaeological support. Soon tamil will get enough such evidence and soon will be declared as the first or oldest language of the world.Robinson kennady, 8/44/mainroad, kavalkinaru.nellai district, Tamilnadu, India.


Thiru 5 years ago

It seems like everyone is agreeing that TAMIL is the world's oldest spoken and living language


agim 5 years ago

God of first langaug , only one people speak THEY are

ALBANIAN . Every language you find to other language similar or same to other country or people similar .ONLY ONE ALBANIA LANGUAGE ,NO ONE SIMILAR ORE SAME TO OTHER PEOPLE



agim 5 years ago

FACT-Any language on the world (old) you find Albanian words

FACT-Albanian people they cant develop Albanian language from all languages on world .


sphinxycat01 5 years ago

In regards to an earlier comment about unearthing Dwarka... You scoffed at the idea of this city of Krishna. Update; it has been recently discovered, and Sanskrit is the oldest language.


Rajput 5 years ago

Since the discovery of dwarka it can be proven that Sanskrit is the oldest language. Aryan invasion was a myth to divide north and south indians. It has been scienifically disproven.

The people using the basis of the bible to prove it to be hebrew, I would like to ask you a question and would love to hear an answer. God is perfect so his revelations must be perfect. The Bible states that the world is flat. How can god have got this wrong. Based on this would you agree that the Bible is flawed and cannot be divine?

Looking forward to you answer.


vedictruth 5 years ago

I agree with Sanskrit being the oldest language. Not only was it the oldest but also the most advanced. Historians have spent hundreds of years looking for mythical cities such as Atlantis in order to prove that western theories are correct. Thanks to science and new discoveries it is now becoming common knowledge that ancient India was the most advanced civilization. Not only in terms of language, but also in terms of science, math, astrology and RELIGION ! if you really want to know the truth then do an UNBIAS research and you will come to the same conclusion. All civilazations owe a great deal to the early Indians.And dont forget that ancient India included the regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

As science, linguistic experts and religious experts are now all finding out for themselves...Dont forget that much of this information was hidden from you because governments and religious leaders around the world dont want thier buisness ( BIG TIME MONEY, and POWER) to decline.

I highly recommend you watch an amazing documentary by BBC called " The Story Of India ". < Its on youtube if intersted... BTW the worlds first university was first established in India( in the Kashmir region). Here the devine knowledge was taught, math/science, astrology and spiritual education. All religions and educational facilities took this advanced knowledge and this is how our modern world has been created thus far.

I hope you enjoy the truth and share it with the world. True peace and harmony can only happen when everyone can see through the lies and propagandas.

And I too once believed in the Aryan invasion theory, but thankfully its been proven incorrect. The discoveries made in recent years have shed a lot of LIGHT on this subject. I thank humanity and the seekers of truth > IN speakers of truth do I trust ! :)


jason 5 years ago

i would say sanskirt or the language of the birds to be the oldest


Patrick 4 years ago

Let me get linguistic on y'all. Sanskrit CAN NOT be the oldest language. The reason for this being that Sanskrit is an Indo-European language, descended from Proto-Indo-European. P.I.E developed around 4000-3000BC, and Sanskrit only appeared in written form during 1500BC, so do the math (and a daughter language can not be spoken before the parent, that would be a fallacy). Furthermore, Hebrew can not be the oldest language either, because it descended from Proto-Afroasiatic within the Semitic subgrouping (Along with Akkadian, Old South Arabian, Phonecian etc.). Proto-Afroasiatic developed around MAYBE 15,000BC, but there is a large amount of dissent among the linguistic community about when. That is the earliest date, the latest being 10,000BC. The Semitic languages split from the phylum during about 5000BC. Therefore, Hebrew or any Semitic language can not be the oldest language. Tamil, within the Dravadian family, also can not be the oldest, because yet again, it is descended from Proto-Dravadian (spoken during about 3000BC) and the oldest fragments of Tamil are during 2000BC. Again, the daughter language can not be spoken before the parent language. Tamil is among the oldest languages still spoken though, with a very strong literary tradition from give or take the 3rd Century BC, with the first work being "Tolk?ppiyam", a Grammar. If anything, linguists are not able to say which language is the oldest, but my guess is that it is extinct. Humans gained the capability to speak effectively in 100,000BC. Note how the oldest family even represented is at 15,000BC. That is a huge amount of time for languages to grow and die. Although the oldest languages are most likely where people were first, and we still are figuring that one out. Essentially, we will never know.


vedictruth 4 years ago

hmmm, i would like to think maybe patrick has a point...but i would like to clarify myself. Sanskrit is the oldest WRITTEN language and cuniform symbols dont count as writing. Also Afroasiatic languages might have certainly influenced the early Egyption empire. And just because the vedas were assembled in 1500bc doesnt mean it wasnt around a lot longer. And dont forget that theory was suggested by western folks a long time ago. New evidence suggests that Sanskrit has been around a lot longer that what was previouly believed. And even before it was written it had a long history of oral tradition which is still alive in some remote southern areas of India.Once again i suggest you watch the bbc documentary "story of india". It entails a lot of information for those who dont wish to read more.The concept of indo-european itself is not an accurate assumpation anymore, they used to think that somewhere in the middle had influenced both continents to share similarities in linguistics. But modern linguistics and historians are saying that Sanskrit had evovled separately and on its own. Most likely it evovled when the dravidian and aryan cultures fused.So it should be called aryan/dravidian . Throughout history, great things happen when 2 cultures merge...this is what took place in ancient india.


Patrick 4 years ago

Naturally two cultures in a such a close proximity to each other would have a fair amount of borrowing to each other, however they can not be related because of several linguistic premises. The most troubling of these is that the typologies of Sanskrit and the whole Dravidian family are completely different. Dravadian languages are agglutinative, which means that one morpheme caries one meaning. Sanskrit, on the other hand, is synthetic, meaning that one morpheme caries more than one meaning. Another large difference between the two is that Sanskrit has a dual number in addition to its singular and plural, while the whole Dravadian family has only the singular and plural. Finally, Dravadian languages had/have (not sure of currently, but did have) a 4 gender system, which was Male, Non-male, Person, Non-Person. Sanskrit (and the rest of the Indo-European languages) have a 3 gender system of Masculine, Feminine, and Neuter. Most Indo-European languages have fused the Masculine and Neuter. In short, Sanskrit and Tamil (a Dravadian language) could not have formed a smaller family because of their extensive grammatical differences. On Indo-European, yes it is a theory, but it does explain why Latin, Greek, Old Church Slavonic, Old High German, Gothic, Sanskrit, Avestan etc. share many morphological, lexical, phonological, and syntactical similarities. To say that Latin and Greek do not share a similar grammatical framework, pronunciation, and vocabulary would be foolish and uneducated. Latin, Greek, and Sanskrit all share a similar declension and verbal conjugation (such as a genitive in -as for Greek and Sanskrit and a common long "o" in the first person present active indicative thematic). Also, some elements of vocabulary are shared, such as the Latin "Rama" and the Sanskrit "Rama" both meaning "frog". Those two languages are not only separated by many years, but also by thousands of miles, try explaining that without PIE.


Patrick 4 years ago

EDIT: Mea coulpa, a better example with Sanskrit would be with "Kwon" meaning dog, and the Greek "Cyon" also meaning dog, and finally the Latin "Canis" meaning, you guessed it, dog.


vedictruth 4 years ago

Its called migration...India had the most advanced math , the number 0 and multiplication formulas ect were only in India before it spread. Along with these numerals , they had several words which also represented and were associated with these numbers. There is more than plenty of proof. But one whom chooses to keep reading the same regurgitation wont be able to absorb this. And as you should know, it was from Arabia that our current number system and language system had spread to Europe.

From India this precious knowledge started making its way east. This is how the numerals 1-10 were spread into the middle-east. Other factors which support this are the fact that most of the middle east were following the Indian religion and that there were Shiva temples spread throughout the Arabian lands. Mecca itself was a Shiva shrine prior to Islam. Their religion was a form of Hinduism. Recent discovery in Yemen they unearthed a statue of Ganeesh ( a hindu diety). Furthermore there is some poetry texts that are in current day Turkey. Within one of these manuscripts is a poem that was dedicated to a king Vikramaditya whose inscription used to be in the Kaaba in Mecca. These inscriptions predate Islam, and here is the following translation:

Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram’s reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya’s behest.”

King Vikramaditya is a well known king in Indian history books. So this is how the maths/sciences and language all spread to the middle east. You see it wasn’t just linguistics, it was the whole package! Heck please don’t take my word for it,. Try looking at Vedic math on youtube…The PIE theory (was just a theory!) . It was through religion and trade that the knowledge spread out. BTW , this might be a coincidence but the very word ‘math’ itself was an ancient Indian word. In case you didn’t want to look for it, this English gentleman kindly explains it in this video. And it’s pretty up to date : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUP5rtwvsUI

If there needs to be any more clarification, I’m quite sure I can dig up some more proof/facts . Thanks for reading and please do spread the truth. The PIE theory simply isn’t accurate any longer, it was good for its time ( or perhaps its still a good theory for eurpoe/arabia). But the riddle of how India was involved in all this has been solved. Times they are a changing , and it all returns back to its origin, mother India :)


Patrick 4 years ago

You must not be from a linguistic background. Grammatical number and mathematics are COMPLETELY different, I would suggest you research that. In addition, you failed to address several of my points. Either you aren't getting what I'm saying or that you choose to ignore my points to "prove" your half baked theory.


vedictruth 4 years ago

First of all its not my theory. And since you are the linguistic expert i suggest you show some proof in laments terms.I showed you the original basis of what many modern scholars are in saying. And the road map. It quite simple. And the Sankrit texts are proven to be the oldest written so far. Where are the other languages which your talking about? Are you refering to bushmen dialog? You just stated the PIE thoery, and that theory isnt acceptable anymore. Where is your proof or facts of the afro-asiatic language? Sure i might accept that Africa had an older language, but it was quite primitive and was never written. Look at the aboriginals of Austraia, they have a very old dialog, but never wrote anything down. Africans migrated to southern India many thousands of years ago. DNA tests have confirmed that.

And what good are a few words from a primitive nomad or a bushmen. Sure Ill agree perhaps it was the start. But Sanskrit is a complete language.To understand the ancient India you need to keep in mind that if they produced advanced maths and sciences, dont you think they were capable of a complete language and writing even much before that? Who are you trying to showcase here? Bushmen , nomads ? primitive hunters ?

The vedas were assembled in 1500bc, it wasnt the first time they actually used scribe in text form. You actually beleive it just popped up in 1500 bc ? Its a very sophisticated language. It didnt happen over night...It was a very advanced and sophisticated culture.

Ill agree that is wasnt common knowledge back then and that it was primarily known and taught by the priestly class. It says so itself.


vedictruth 4 years ago

I came across this article recently..It might not have anything to do with this discussion but I felt like sharing it.

"The last speaker of an ancient tribal language has died in the Andaman Islands, breaking a 65,000-year link to one of the world's oldest cultures.

Boa Sr, who lived through the 2004 tsunami, the Japanese occupation and diseases brought by British settlers, was the last native of the island chain who was fluent in Bo.

Taking its name from a now-extinct tribe, Bo is one of the 10 Great Andamanese languages, which are thought to date back to pre-Neolithic human settlement of south-east Asia.

Though the language has been closely studied by researchers of linguistic history, Boa Sr spent the last few years of her life unable to converse with anyone in her mother tongue.

Even members of inter-related tribes were unable to comprehend the repertoire of Bo songs and stories uttered by the woman in her 80s, who also spoke Hindi and another local language.

Here's the link http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/04/ancien...

This language might be 65,000 yrs old and the region is off the east coast of India.


Patrick 4 years ago

Who disproved the theory, and when?


vedictruth 4 years ago

The scholars of the 19th century who first tackled the question of the Indo-Europeans' original homeland (also called Urheimat, from German), were essentially confined to linguistic evidence. A rough localization was attempted by reconstructing the names of plants and animals (importantly the beech and the salmon) as well as the culture and technology (a Bronze Age culture centered on animal husbandry and having domesticated the horse). The scholarly opinions became basically divided between a European hypothesis, positing migration from Europe to Asia, and an Asian hypothesis, holding that the migration took place in the opposite direction.

It should be known that theories are theories that haven't been proven. Not even science and mathematics can always produce the actual proofs. But the combonation of archaeology, science and historical records can affrim such proofs. The P.I.E theory was created from a European perspective (german i believe).

* Fire altars that were used in Vedic fire sacrifices have been found

* Swastikas have been found that are a common Indo-European symbol

* A dried up river has been found that is described in the early books of the Rig Veda

* Several features that characterize later Hinduism and India have been found, such as the use of seals, standardized ratios for mud bricks. There is a perfect cultural continuity suggesting no external influence.

* Astronomical data gleaned from the Rig vedas shows them to be as old as 6000BCE.

* The Rig veda describe Indian geography and features consistent with what we find in the IVC

* The only civilisation in the world that would have the technological and scientific sophistication to produce the Rig Veda with its highly complex metre and language is the IVC.

The linguistic stability and philosophical sophistication of the Rig Veda does not at all suggest it is the product of nomads and savages, but the product of a developed civilisation.

The archeaological evidence is overwhelmingly supporting India's own historical records which record their Vedic civilisation going back 10,000 years.


Chandra shekar p Krishna 4 years ago

Ramayana, an ancient Sanskrit epic written by Hindu sage Valmiki during 2nd century BC or later as the concept of airplanes and and i would like to say that Ramayana and mahabharata are real with proof.....


Alien 4 years ago

Gents.

We shld better look forward what will human become in future.

Waste not, drain out our brain cells fighting for the truth. We can NEVER find the truth. Majority are just simply assumptions.

We humans are now very technologically motivated & i strongly believe whatever movies shown & produced by renowned director ie: steven spielberg will come true.

Great mind of the earth, who able to look beyond normal human can, are the species who will change the world for us human race.


Cyber-Man 4 years ago

Hi Cybermouse, Sorry I've just found this site. Regarding the oldest language, I know - all those years ago!, but what do you make of Genesis 11:1 ? Why would Moses, (the man given laws that most civil societies today base thier judicial systems on), clearly a sound mind, be inspired to write this. Everyone else - please look it up. Just a thought!


Cyber-Man 4 years ago

A message for Rajput. Don't know if you got a reply for this. Where did you read that the Bible says that the earth is flat!? Please read Job 26:7 and Isaiah 40:22. These verses clearly show the todays scientific picture of the earth. We realise that early catholics sided with the science of that time and they where convinced the earth was flat and that it took Christopher Columbus to prove them wrong, but NOT because the Bible said it was flat. In fact the hebrew word used at Isaiah 40:22 is also translated as 'sphere'. Job 26:7 says the earth 'hangs on nothing' i.e suspended in space - Unlike some ancient myths that said the earth was held upon the head of a cobra or on the backs of 4 elephants that where supported by a giant sea turtle!?....Such was the science of one ancient world. However, the Bible is unusually strong in this regard. Let me know what you think. Thanks.


meehs100 4 years ago

TAMIL IS THE OLDEST LIVING LANGUAGE IN THE WORLD AFTER SANSKRIT.IT EMERGED LAKHS OF YEARS BEFORE WHEN DEMONS, SAGES AND GODS RULED THE WORLD AND WHEN THERE WAS NO HUMAN REIGN. ONCE ,THE DEMONS AND GODS HAD A FIGHT FOR THE GREAT OCEAN KNOWN AS [ paar kaddal in tamil OR milk sea]. THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD CHURN THE OCEAN TO GET MANY VALUABLE THINGS. WHEN THEY CHURNED THE OCEAN WITH THE HELP OF A GIANT SNAKE TIED OVER A ROCK ON THE EITHER SIDE, TAMIL SCRIPT WAS ONE AMONG THE MANY VALUABLES THAT EMERGED FROM THE OCEAN.THIS IS A TRUE STORY THAT HAPPENED LAKHS OF YEARS BACK.THE FULL STORY ABOUT THIS IS AVAILABLE IN SHIVA PURANA (AN EPIC).


Cyber-Man 4 years ago

Based on this Tamil is very old indeed! However, If this cannot be proved then we may need to consider that Sanskrit contains Hebrew, Arabic and Persian words. It dosn't seem to work well backwards. Anyhow, Genesis 11:1 (written around 1513 BC) is very interesting. Would really be interested to see something equivilant in Sanskrit (or Tamil) though - just to compare similar thoughts and perceptions of people living at that same time period; our thoughts are obviously prone to error (and wild imaginations!) living well outside that period. Evidence of eyewitnesses living around the same time period has got to be far more powerfull. If you find anything in Sanskrit (or Tamil) equivilant to Genesis 11:1 I would be most appreciative to look at it so I can see and compare for myself. Thank you.


prakash 4 years ago

interesting question


Diego 4 years ago

In fact tamil is most oldest language in the world


vikas 4 years ago

Hi Cybermouse....

I would be glad to see your reply of the comment by kalki..


bryancals 4 years ago

Absolutely Hebrew is the oldest language because this is the language of heaven " when saul heard Hebrew speaking from heaven" this the language of the creator of the universe "Yahweh".


Rashid 4 years ago

Pashto is the Oldest Language in the world :)


Vikas 4 years ago

No point in discussing all these stuffs..For the first place we need to thank god for providing us so many languages as a means of communication.


Rahul sharma 4 years ago

Tamil is the oldest living language in the world.Most part of the tamil literature dont have proper evidence to prove.The Minimal information which we have today itself is enough to prove it as the oldest language.

Latin and Greek has provided many words to other languages including English.

This arises a doubt that Tamil people or the south Indian people might be the ancestors to the southern asia/south eastern asia.


Rathore 4 years ago

Tamil literature is found to be older than 10000BC.It is proud that

the worlds oldest language is an Indian language and the most of all

you can find people speaking that language in Tamilnadu and Moderen city chennai.


Raghavendra 4 years ago

The period of Vedas supposed to be 10000BC and the evidences found at the city dipped into sea found to be 8000BC around which contain the sanskrit scripures, I think sanskrit may be the oldest language. The language not changed for all these years, and you also can not say the language is dead because much of the devotional hymns will be delivered in sanskrit language only. You can not say sanskrit is not native of india as all other languages spoken here contains 40 to 60% of sanskrith words. Remember laguages should not be given prominence based on the oldness and unnecessarily language issue should not be communalized as well.


Rohit 4 years ago

I completely believe that Sanskrit is the world's oldest language, not only because I am an Indian, but due to facts that prove it. There might be some other languages during the early period of Sanskrit, but Sanskrit is the oldest of all, as believed by many experts. Even if it is not the world's oldest, definitely it is one of them. Also it is a known fact to all of us that Sanskrit is the most flexible and sophisticated language ever.


Raghunandan 4 years ago

Guys,

Oldest language is ofcourse Sanskrit. There is no denying on this. If you want to clarify then please refer to Rigvedas where the evolution of Universe and Sanskrit (Devanagiri) script has been explained. This has been further explained by Sri Madhwacharya, the great saint, in 1200 AD in his Tantrasaara Sangraha book.


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hatikva 4 years ago

Whatever Sanskrit is oldest language just remember all great civilizations start in Africa then move to Europe. As one great empire in Asia were Gengis Khan. India was not a great empire compare Babylonian or Egyptian.


Diegojayapradap 4 years ago

Tamil is the most ancient language in the world.many scientist proved it


Asif Vahora 4 years ago

Adam was the first man and prophet who came on earth. Quran says about him in chapter 2 verse 37;

?????????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????

Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words.

??????? ???????? ??????? ???? ??????????? ??????????

And He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.

Thus, Allah taught Adam both language and its use for seeking forgiveness. Abu Huraira, may Allah be pleased with him narrates that Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him said,

"I take an oath in that Being in whose Hand is my life, Allah revealed to every Messenger in Arabic, after which he (the Messenger) used to convey the message to the nation in their language” (Majmuaz Zawaaid, p. 52)

Thus, Adam being first prophet received Arabic for his communication with Allah. Present day socio-linguistic theory says that First Language is always acquired within society, in this case, Adam being the first man on earth had no father or society to teach him. Thus, Arabic, being his first language was not acquired from society but was received just like other prophets. If we go by present day socio-linguistic theory, first man on earth should have bean dumb for not being able to hear any human sound before and therefore unable to start utilization of language on earth. Thus, Quran and Hadith answers this question clearly. Quran was revealed as last divine book and as prophet was born to arabic speaking nation, and it was also chosen langauge by Allah for each and every prophet, Quran was revealed in Arabic. However, for non-arabic speaking nation, message to prophets was in arabic and later conveyed in to local language and therefore books before Quran were in non-arabic language such as Hebrew. However, Arabic is chosen language and therefore it is easy to memorize Quran word by word by millions of people even when not all of them are not arabic speaking people. If you try to memorize Quran or any other text in non-arabic speaking language, you would realize that it is so difficult but in case of Arabic, it becomes so easy even for 10 year old child. No book or earlier scripture or language has been preserved in last 14 century and therefore both language and message of Quran has been preserved by Allah in chosen language. Earlier scripture lost both language and content and therefore people today see non-muslim following which is religion resulting from currupted text. Email to asifhere@yahoo.com to know more.


negasi 4 years ago

what language was Adam speak,it is geez,he call his wife,the direct translation to her name,it is only in geez you get direct translation the name,ever language translate from her name but not geez..............even moses


tamilan 4 years ago

how u know adam was a first person.when quran is written.how jawi exist.who is the writter of jawi.u know that the intruducer of jawi word is a tamilan.after or b4 existance of makkah.it is secrets but hinduism know all about it.what thing that have in the makkah.u know that makkah exist after hinduism.u prove that who is the intuducer of jawi.then i got many many many question have ask to u.the question is endable.from tamilan....


Lawrence 4 years ago

hai

The worlds ancient language research is not completly success now. some oldest language is identify in litrary work for the language . bible wrote jews in hebrew , vedha wrote in sanskrit, sankam litrary wrote in tamil, ancient inscription wrote summer, akadian, greek, these are used for ancient lang research . In world languages are some proto language mean base vowels and tribal sound in ex: vooo , sooo ,aa , these sounds are 50,000 years world ancient tribal sounds.

homasepiance in africa used this sounds. human out of africa theory gives migration of homosepiens australia india . in india is the give base for language the sounds are developed adopting human toung . indian ancient indigeanous people are the srlankan karnatakan people naga yekka and some tribes . they are negrotic austroid people called dravidians.

the dravidian languages in one of the ancient language in world language list. I give some example in my research

sumerian word kur means mountain

dravidian word ku means mountain (ex:kuli ,kunru,kunram, meaning mountain) sangam litrary ku-runchi mean mountain region & mountain flower

sumerian word ur means relation , family, native.

dravidian ur means relation, native, family

sumerian sila means road

tamil salai means road

hebrew vs dravidian

jews bible tanakh reffered salomon bought peacock, ivory and some things these are in tamil loan word in hebrew bible

ex: tukkiyyim tamil takai

. qop-qopim tamil kapi

sanskrit vs dravidian

the word vedha is tamil root word vei ,means work of palm leaf 'oolai vei thal' work

so the research are not finished

i hope dravidian is proto language for world language


A.Thiagu 4 years ago

congratulation , lawrence did a very good explanation in his research and well explained.

a research should not be biased due to ones interest.

its fully accepted by historians that mohanjadaro-harappa is world's 1st civilization was formed and the people of the civilization is known as dravidan. dravidans speak tamil. a society with such a development within, should have a great use language to communicate. without a language they might NOT able to create such a development which was equal to modern world township ,at this time the language should had already matured and being used in many technologies in making their township into a reality.

This evolution took place during stone age period. can anyone tell me, how many thousand years are required during stone age period for mankind develop a language to the level of mohanjadaro-harappa civilization. During this period the dravidan (tamil) language was already in its peak. the nomad aryan invasion took place during the peak of dravidan (tamil) language.tamil language,already had its literature before the invasion of nomad aryan into indus valley (mohanjadaro-harappa). again if a language can have its own literature, it should have started spoke or in common use for communication thousands of year before as the literature of a language cant be develop in short span of time.

what is the age of mohanjadaro-harappa civilization? add a few thousand years (more than 3000 years) to get the age of tamil language.tamil language civilized well along with its people (dravidan), it was well used for development in mohanjadaro-harappa as world's 1st civilization of mankind.

sanskrit was created and developed with the help of tamil language after the nomad aryan's invasion into mohanjadaro-harappa (indus valley)as there are many tamil words in it.if at all sanskrit is oldest language it should civilize and develop the people speak that language and surely cant be a nomad's language. the vedas were created hundreds of years after the nomad aryans invasion into indus valley. if we look at the 1st veda (righ veda if im not mistaken)the contents were only about the aryans and their god however way before this was created tamils (dravidans) already had literature.

nomad does not stay in a place therefore along the way they travel they may adopt some culture or language of locals during their travels, this is definite. again it shows the sanskrit has many borrowed languages in it therefore it cant be the oldest language of the world. its very clear the TAMIL is the oldest language of the world.


Ravan 4 years ago

vimalan munusamy 4 years ago

World oldest language is 1.SANSKRIT,2.TAMIL,3.KANNADA....this is fact as per history..

This has to re correctn my friend Munnusamy.

1.SANSKRIT,2.SINHALA,3.KANNADA 4.TAMIL

Regards,

Ravan Dewa.

Senior Engineer

National Petroleum Cons't Company (NPCC)

Abu Dhabi, UAE


Goutam Sharma 4 years ago

all the researches around the world has finnaly come to the conclusion after conduction immense reaserches on the languages existing at present that its non other than SANSKRIT which has its own grammer upto the most perfact explanations as the mother of all the languages, and one thing also to mention that there was even more scientific language present before its transformation to sanskrit , we actually do not have the name of that particular language but the script was better known as BRAHMI SCRIPT... and no one can descard its existence in india before 4000 B.C ..


Jimmy West 4 years ago

The worlds oldest language has no nane, so I call it "Language Number 1" It was the language spoken by Adam and Eve and was also the language of the Inca Empire and is still spoken in the jungles of South America.


vishesh 4 years ago

Sanskrit is an ancient and classical language of India in which ever first book of the world Rigveda was compiled. The Vedas are dated by different scholars from 6500 B.C. to 1500 B.C. Sanskrit language must have evolved to its expressive capability prior to that.

Also proved by

1.William Jones, who was already familiar with Greek and Latin, when came in contact with Sanskrit, remarked that Sanskrit is more perfect than Greek, more copious than Latin and more refined than either. He said – “Sanskrit is a wonderful language”.

2. As per the Indian tradition Sanskrit Language has no beginning and no ending. It is eternal. Self-born God has created it. It is divine. It is everlasting. It was first used in Vedas and thereafter it has been the means of expression in other fields.

3.“I am convinced that everything has come down to us from the banks of the Ganges” said Voltaire. He believed that the “Dynasty of Brahmins taught the rest of the world”.

4.Mankind together with all science must have originated on the roof of the world ie the Himalayas” declared Immanuel Kant.

5.All I do is present below a list of English words which are derived from Latin/Greek/Persian which are in turn derived from Sanskrit.

Root Sanskrit Word

Median Word in Latin(L) / Greek(G) / Arabic(A)

Derived English Word

Gau (meaning Cow)

Bous (G)

Cow

Matr (meaning Mother)

Mater (L)

Mother

Jan (meaning Generation)

Genea (G)

Gene

Aksha (meaning Axis)

Axon (G)

Axis

Navagatha (meaning Navigation)

Navigationem (L)

Navigation

Sarpa (meaning Snake)

Serpentem (L)

Serpent

Naas (means Nose)

Nasus (L)

Nose

Anamika (means Anonymous)

Anonymos (G)

Anonymous

Naama (means Name)

Nomen (L)

Name

Manu (means First Human)

??

Man/Men/Human

Ashta (meaning Eight)

Octo (L)

Eight

Barbara (meaning Foreign)

Barbaria (L)

Barbarian

Dhama (meaning House)

Domus (L)

Domicile

Danta (meaning Teeth)

Dentis (L)

Dental

Dwar (meaning Door)

Doru

Door

Dasha (meaning Ten)

Deca (G)

Deca

Madhyam (meaning Medium)

Medium (L)

Medium

Kaal (meaning Time)

Kalendae (L)

Calendar

Kri (meaning To Do)

Creatus (L)

Create

Mishra (meaning Mix)

Mixtus (L)

Mix

Ma (meaning Me/My)

Me (L)

Me

Pithr (meaning Father)

Pater (L)

Father

Bhrathr (meaning Brother)

Phrater (G)

Brother

Loka (meaning Place)

Locus (L)

Locale

Maha (meaning Great)

Magnus (L)

Mega

Mala (meaning Dirt/Bad)

Malus (L)

Mal as in Malicious, Malnutrition, Malformed etc

Makshikaa (meaning Bee)

Musca (L) (Meaning Fly)

Mosquito

Mrta (meaning Dead)

Mortis (L)

Murder

Na (meaning No)

Ne

No

Nakta (meaning Night)

Nocturnalis (L)

Nocturnal

Paad (meaning Foot)

Pedis (L)

Ped as in Pedestrial, Pedal etc

Pancha (meaning Five)

Pente (G)

Penta, Five

Parah (meaning Remote)

Pera (G)

Far

Patha (meaning Path)

Pathes (G)

Path

Raja / Raya (meaning King)

Regalis (L)

Royal

Sama (meaning Similar)

Similis (L)

Similar

Sapta (meaning Seven)

Septum (L)

Seven

Sharkara (meaning Sugar)

Succarum

Sugar / Sucrose

Smi (meaning Smile)

Smilen (L)

Smile

SthaH (meaning Situated)

Stare (L) (meaning To Stand)

Stay

Svaad (meaning Tasty)

Suavis (L)

Sweet

Tha (meaning That)

Talis (L)

That

Tva (meaning Thee)

Dih

Thee

Vachas (meaning Speech)

Vocem (L)

Voice

Vahaami (meaning Carry)

Vehere (meaning to Carry) (L)

Vehicle

Vama / Vamati (meaning Vomit)

Vomere (L)

Vomit

Vastr (meaning Cloth)

Vestire (L)

Vest


aryain 4 years ago

Interesting that some well trained fellas are trying to propagate some nonsensical knowledge. So for some who are not aware of Rama or Hindus, then, Rama is just a Myth, a story. There are NO proof whatsoever to prove of existence. In fact it is A STORY written by some rishi named balmiki. Moreover, hindu is not a religion at all, so some of my dearest fool friends are trying to convey a wrong message. Hinduism is not a RELIGION at all, it is way of life, it is an umbrella under which millions of Gods are worshiped. Sanskrit can never be older language becuz Sanskrit was derived from Aramic language. Thus Aarmic has to be the oldest language, part of the Northwest Semitic subfamily,the Afroasiatic language. Vedas are written by mere human, which are more a knowledge based on visible life. The vedas are more a manuscript which has no far far relation to any evangelical or Godly being. More importantly out of those 4 Vedas one of them even displays the difference in human based on the work setup, which then further derives into caste system based differences. Had been those words of god then there would have been no division based on caste.So to all my non Hindu friends, please don't get deviated from truth by some smart words, the fact still remains the fact that Sanskrit was derived from some Afroasiatic language.


Saraswathy 4 years ago

The Oldest Language in the world

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Experience of Thiruvannamalai Gowrishankar in the presence of the Shanakracharya (Pontiff) of Kanchi Kamakoti Mutt(Monastery), Shri Chandrasekharendra Saraswathi Swami, who was revered by all who met Him, from the Dalai Lama, to the Spanish and Greek Royalty and worshipped as God incarnate by a lot of his devotees. He is called Periyava( the Elder) by those who speak Tamil, or Swamiji. He is also a polymath, and considered to be one of the most intelligent people, and scientists and scholars come to Him to have their doubts cleared in their subjects of expertise.

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When I went to the Mutt to have His darshan for the first time there were four foreigners there, an Israeli, an Italian, a German and a Britisher. They had come to do their PhD in Philology on the topic of 'the most ancient languages in the Occidental and the Oriental world'. They were studying Latin, Hebrew and Greek languages in the Occidental part and Sanskrit and Tamil in the Oriental part.

He went inside to do His Anushtanas( prayers); they had wanted to a photo of Him but His kaingaryams(helpers) refused.They were heartbroken that they could not take a picture. All the four of them were standing near a tree since morning. They asked His Sevakas(aides) when He will be done with the poojas(prayers) but got an unconvincing reply.

I told the foriegners that we Indians are used to the way of life at the Mutt, but how come you all have been standing for the past 6 hours? One of them looks at his watch and exclaims, 'oh my God, has it been 6 hours? He is a Man of Certainty and is Beyond Time!'

Periyavaa came in after 10 minutes and we all went and prostrated to Him. Looking at the man (who had the camera hanging on his neck) who had wanted to take the photos, He gestures with His hands that he can take the pictures now. He posed for three photos and stops him before the fourth and enquires as to why they have come.

They tell him their purpose.

He asks, "So, did you arrive at a conclusion as to which is the most ancient language?"

The Israeli replied, "Hebrew is the most ancient in the Occident; but in the Oriental, people say that both Sanskrit and Tamil are the oldest, we are confused and that is why we are here for Your opinion".

He said, "There is another language which is the most ancient than all these, it is the Vedic Language. It is the Source of even Sanskrit and Hebrew."

"There is a verse about Rebirth in Hebrew, can you recite it completely?", asked Him to the Israeli by giving the man the first two words.

The Israeli recited it for 3 to 4 minutes. Periyava looked around and asked some boys, "Have you studied Rig Veda, can you recite the particular verse on Rebirth?"

Those boys recited it for 5 minutes.

He asked me, "Can you ask them if they understood what these boys recited now?"

The four men remain quiet.

Periyava turns to the boys and says smilingly, "you all will definitely not understand what this man had recited in Hebrew!"

He turns to me and says, "Tell that Israeli that what he had chanted before is the same as what these boys chanted!"

I told him, "Swamiji says that what is you had chanted is 'verbatically' same as the what the boys had chanted".

Periyava corrects me, "What? Do not use the word 'verbatically', tell him that both the chants are 'alphabetically' the SAME!!!"

He said He will prove it and asked if we have a paper and a pen.

"In Vedas it is mentioned that the world has been classified into 32 portions/regions. And in each of the 32 geographic regions, Vedas say how the Veda Aksharas, Vedic alphabets, have changed/pronounced in those places!"

He asks each of them which region they come from and then explains to them how a particular Veda Aksharam is changed in their individual places! He asks the boys to recite verse from Rig Veda again and tells the men how each Aksharam, alphabet, in Rig Veda in that verse will sound in their Regions!

The Periyava tells me, "I will now say this verse with some difficulty as it has been a long time since I had Abhyasam,(practice), ask that Israeli if he understands my recital!"

To the boys He says, "I will now say it in a slightly different form based on how each Aksharam(alphabet) will sound in Hebrew. Please do not think it is wrong; there is this injunction in the Vedas that it can be recited this way also."

And The Periyava starts to say it, slowly. Wonder of Wonders, the Israeli starts to recite it Together with Him!!!

We were all Stunned!

"I told you earlier, the same verse in Rig Veda is present exactly in Hebrew, but the Aksharas(alphabets) have changed slightly. (like we say Yamuna in the South, but in the North it is Jamuna, Va in the south is Ba in West Bengal, Paa in Tamil is Haa in Kannada etc) Therefore, the most ancient language in the world is the Vedic language!"

Periyava asked the four men to prepare a table and fill it with how the Rig Veda Aksharams sounded in their language. This was completed in 15 minutes.

The Israeli was shocked and exclaimed, "This is something unimaginable!"

He asks him, "What do you think now, do you now agree that everything has sprung from Vedas?"

The look on the Israeli's face was not convincing.

Periyava says, "What, is he thinking that why, could not the Vedas have originated from Hebrew?"

The Israeli says, "Yes, it could have been the reverse also, the Vedas could have come from Hebrew".

Periyavaa replies, "You have only the lock, whereas we have both the key and the lock! It is even mentioned in the Vedas as to which Maharishi( Saint or Seer) from here in India went to your region and spread/taught Vedas in Israel!"

The man seemed to be convinced in the end.

The translation is from Thiruvannamalai Shri Gowrishankar's tamil video interview in mahaperiyavaa dot wordpress dot com


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Kishanrahul 3 years ago from Chennai

I believe that Tamil is the oldest language of all. But the only problem is that it has no proof. To be more accurate. Dravidian language was there in India from which first Tamil, Telugu, Kannada and Malayalam were born. Sanskrit was originally not an Indian language. But it came to India when Aryans invaded. Kumarikandan which is an island under the Indian ocean is very old. It is said that people lived there where Tamil people. So i believe Tamil is the oldest language of all but the problem is they don't have proof for it.


Dylan Petty 3 years ago

Hebrew was the language of the Canaanites that Abraham adopted when he moved from the east, closer to Iraq than Arabia. It was not his original language, but I agree with the author that it does a very good job at enhancing the Bible. I saw a comment that said Arabic was older. Arabic was created by tribes that lived in what is now Saudi Arabia by the descendants of Ishmael, who are the Arabs. Therefore, Arabic is not nearly as old as Hebrew. Modern Hebrew was resurrected at the end of the 19th century. During the Maccabean era and during Jesus' time Hebrew was not spoken, instead the priests used it for ceremonies while everyone else either spoke Greek, Latin, or Aramaic (Syriac). Modern linguists believe that the oldest languages come out of Africa. There is also a theoretical language called Nostratic (from the latin Nostre, "our") which is supposed to be the original language. If someone has said all this on another post, my apologies.


Dylan Petty 3 years ago

I feel that my last post wasn't well explained (plus i has no life and nothing better to do) so I will elaborate. The first thing that seemed too vague was The Arabic part. There were hundreds of tribes who were living in modern day Saudi and they all needed a lingua franca. So, they all got together and combined their languages, created an alphabet based off of Nabataean, who stole from the Aramaics, who ultimately stole from the Phoenicians. The Phoenician alphabet also gave birth to Egyptian hieroglyphs, the Hebrew alphabet, the Greek (which led to the Roman alphabet you are reading now), and several others. This universal language united the tribes of modern day Arabia and they became the Arabs. The other thing that seemed too comfusing was Nostratic. Nostratic is NOT a solid, true language. It is a theoretical language named after a Latin word by modern day linguists. It is created based on the assumption that all languages came from one (In the Torah and in the Bible this was the Tower of Babel moment, and I think in the Qur'an it was the plain of Babil).

I do not believe that the oldest language is still in use. History shows that when a culture dies out, so does its language (Egyptians, Sumerians, Chaldeans, Babylonians, Romans, and Ge'ez of the Ethiopian Empire), even if they are used for liturgical use.

Also, Hebrew is considered a sister language to Arabic, and Chaldee bares a huge resemblance to Hebrew (probably because of the Chaldee/Babylonian occupation). And to atheists: In Joshua 10:1-15 (in the Christian division of chapters and verses) God made the Sun stand still. Recently scientists have found that there are a few extra hours that just seemed to have existed, but they don't know where they came from. If you still choose not to believe in the power of an almighty creator, then that's on you. I won't judge you for it.

Just stating the facts here people. Don't mean to seem preachy or too much like a text book. Just gimme the facts ma'am. Just the facts.


Dylan Petty 3 years ago

Wow this is my third comment on the internet. Ever. All three on this page? Hmm... There's something to be said about that, but I just can't pin it down.

Anyways, Tamil is probably the oldest SPOKEN language. I don't like to speculate too much, but it seems logical: no real opposition to the language until the British came, and then they didn't stay in India very long. However Tamil derived from Proto-Dravidian, which is a non-theoretical language from which all Dravidian languages have developed. Sumerian and Egyptian are the two oldest written languages known. And I goofed earlier. The Egyptian Hieroglyphs led to the creation of the Phoenician Alphabet, which later created almost every other alphabet.

The Bull Head (aa sound) turned into what looks like a sideways 'A.' The arabs took the *less than sign* (can't put one in on this comments thing) off and were left with a I shape or an 'alef,' while the Greeks took it and flipped it sideways and made Alpha. Of course the Greeks had major ODD, so they just had to do things differently and wrote left to right, instead of right to left like every one else. They probably did it to scorn us lefties so that we'd end up lead or ink marks on our hand every time we wrote.

I have no idea if the Sanskrit alphabet evolved from the Phoenician or not.


2 years ago

Anna Katharina Emmerick: The first [proto indo european] tongue, the mother tongue, spoken by Adam, Shem, and Noah, was different, and it is now extant only in isolated dialects. Its first pure [indo iranian] offshoots are the Zend, the sacred tongue of India, and the language of the Bactrians. In those languages, words may be found exactly similar to the Low German of my native place. The book that I see in modern Ctesiphon, on the Tigris, is written in that language.

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