Car designer education: Universities and Design art Colleges

Alfa Romeo project, IAAD Turin Italy
Alfa Romeo project, IAAD Turin Italy

This week I received an email by an italian young student passionate of Car Design asking me for help. How do I become a car designer? I explaned that first of all he had to show me few drawings just to understand his level of talent before telling him the all process to follow. Few days later I received, by email, some sketches done by him and I found a certain talent! So, according to his motivation, I wrote him back telling him that he was elegible to try for an admission interview at design schools. I explaned to prepare at least 15 drawings on a A3 format, plus his quick sketches and to go visit a short list of italian design schools. The objectif was to chose the right school and start the car design education cursus. In other words to get him in the right process.

I was surprised when I received his email and the reason is the following; he told me that his intention was to go to Engineering University in Italy and after 5 or 6 years with his bachelor go to follow a Master in Transportation Design in Italy and then try to work in the Car Design business. (at the age of 26/27 years old limit for designers hirings).

Now when I read his answear I undrstood that this guy was still following the old italian mentality to get "first" a bachelor from University and "after" try an artistic school...

Chris Bangle (at left former BMW Design Director) graduated from ACCD Pasadena
Chris Bangle (at left former BMW Design Director) graduated from ACCD Pasadena

I wrote right away back to him and told him that he was going off track! Today's Design schools around the world are highly professional institutions in which we learn a profession, in car design as well as in Industrial Design it is imperatif to be in one of those renomated Design schools. The scheme University and later specialization school is a high risk choice because it does not give any deeper knowledge of your field.

If I follow Engineering University I learn about mechanical Engineering and I will be formed for 5 years as an Engineer.

If I follow Design specialized schools, like Art Center College of Design in Pasadena or IAAD in Turin Italy, I learn for 5 years how to be a car designer learning to sketch, render,model,computer,Photoshop,Illustrator,Preentations,Portfolios, sponsored projects, Internship programs.

It is obvious to me that we cannot compare in the sense that if I want to become a car designer I must follow a specialized Design school! Another fact that shows the effectivness of following a real Design school is this one: statisticly how many car designers are from Design schools and how many from Universities? Now I do not know the answear, but I can tell you my perception about my 20 years experience in this business as designer and Design educator. In my professional time period until today I met 5 very good designers coming from Universities 4 from Engineering and 1 from Architecture. All the others come from Design schools like myself.

In conclusion:

I hope that for mentality reasons people will not make the classical mistake of going to University because it is only there I can get my culture and professional training. I hope that parents go visit Design schools to understand why the methods and results are different from Universities. It is important that parents understand well what it means to be a designer and why it is needed a certain type of training.

Universities are excellent to form in their respective fields, however we cannot pretend that from Engineering we switch to Design and in 2 years of Master program we are designers! Sorry ,this is not possible.

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Erik 6 years ago

so what is the age limit for a company to hire a designer? 26/27?


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luciano63 6 years ago from Paris Author

Hi Erik,

yes I would say that is the age limit. Closer to 30th the harder it gets if directly out of school.

Thanks for passing by.


flo 6 years ago

Ciao Luciano!

Just would like to point out that many of your so called "design schools" are actually considered universities on an international academic level. So even though I agree with your general advice - attending a proper design school to learn the tools of the trade - I think the article might actually be slightly confusing.

Thanks for all your effort so far!

Really like the blog!

Saluti!


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luciano63 6 years ago from Paris Author

Ciao Flo,

thanks for your comment and your compliments about my blog.

About the article: I try to tell the difference we have here in Europe between classical engineering or architecture universities and real design schools. There is still an effect mentality that pushs parents to orienthate to Universities rather than specialized design schools.

Come back!


marco 6 years ago

mmh, I always read carefully your blogs because I feel they are very interesting, but I believe this is really trivial because the only possible scenario seems to be: engineering state universities vs. private design schools. That's not true, and you know.

1. why did you speak about univesity only for engineering courses? There are design courses in a lot of state universities, from Royal College of Art to Politecnico di Milano and sevaral others

2. I believe you studied in a private design school and you teach in a private design school, so your comments cannot be a real independent comments.

Sorry.


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luciano63 6 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Marco

thanks for your straight and clear message. Yes I did study at Art Center in Pasadena and I gave lessons in Transportation design for about 12 years in 3 different design private schools (2 in Italy and 1 american). Since 2000 I visit and make workshops with several design schools public as well privates in several different countries (last one in Evry public engineering university, France)

I made for 2 years 2 workshops with 2 universities of art 1 in Slovakia and another one in Roumania, I visited public university in Design in Moscow (very good ones).

I know that my hub might seem strongly orienthated, but it is consequence of my experience. In another hub I wrote about great design schools, good ones and show off ones (to avoid).

In some countries like Italy, the cultural aspect of considering "engineering bachelor" better than a "transportation design course" is still present. Too bad that car designers are hired coming from good car design schools. (Not everybody, but the biggest part). So i keep receiving e mails of guys with a diploma in car design at the age of 29 asking me why they have difficult time to get a job! They are engineers and car designers but too old and the 5 years spent in engineering do not make really the difference.

I did have (as I wrote) few collegues from those universities, but only 4 in 20 years experience. When I started in 89 the range was already 50/50 because of specialized design schools.

Royal College, Phorzeim schule, MAMI international, are public excellent schools! (as I wrote in another hub).

Thanks for passing buy and keep asking.


MarcoCat 6 years ago

Hi Luciano,

I live in South Africa and am really interested in studying car design. I am nearing completion of my final year in high school (Matric) and I now need to make applications for tertiary education. I have looked at various design institutions overseas since South Africa offers no car/transportation design courses, whatsoever. The only problem with these overseas institutions is the sheer cost of the courses, especially since i am classified as an "international Student". What I have decided to do is study "Interior Architecture" at a local university for 3 years and hopefully apply to an overseas master's course in transportation design. Would this be a good path to follow? Can you please offer me some suggestions?


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luciano63 6 years ago from Paris Author

Dear MarcoCat,

as I wrote in my Hub it is better to go to a specialized car design school to make sure to have best chance to become a car designer. As I explained it is about courses (5 or 4 years) and age (out at max 26 and not later!).

Italian schools are cheaper than americans I suggest you to look at their websites and ask for info in terms of total costs and payements modalities (ex monthly payements...) ask also for scolarships programs.

Schools to look at

IAAD Torino Italy

IED Torino Italy

Or try UMEA Unioversity in Sweden, AFAD University in Bratislava, Phorzeim schule in Germany

OK?

Good luck!


pb 6 years ago

Clearly you mean it in the traditional sense but you must take care while writing an article titled 'uni vs schools.' A majority of the best schools (with the exception of your alma mater obviously) are part of universities.

You may have intended otherwise but most people will interpret it in that manner. In fact a school within a university stands to offer much more than an independent school (i.e. resources).Please change the title or revise it.

- pb ( i'm a student from one such 'university,' which is as reputed as accd and has had a relationship with cars far longer.)


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luciano63 6 years ago from Paris Author

Hi PB,

I get the point. I intend mainly Universities in Europe and mostly in countries like Italy, France, Spain.

Maybe I should change the title!

Thanks for commenting.


AL 6 years ago

Dear all ,

coming from the ' wrong ' education path ( i.e. engineering degree + car design school ) , I can only agree with my collegue Luciano .

Car design is a serious business , involving highly skilled and trained professionals . If you want to enter this competitive world , why don't you focus on learning

immediately all of the necessary skill ?

Focus is everything :

When have you met an electronic engineer trained as an architect ?

If you want to play tennis , should you learn woodworking first ?

You should look for an education which give you all the knowledge you need and learn it as fast as you can .

Don't forget that youth is an important factor to get your first job , since it is associated with energy and boundaryless creativity .

Good luck .


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luciano63 6 years ago from Paris Author

Dear AL,

thank you very much for your comment. I think you understood what I meant writing this hub. Thanks and pass again.


sudhanshu 6 years ago

thanx a lot ............. ur suggestions changed my mind about designing to be an art of a proffesional deal.

i m a gud designer but not proffesionally sound................ can u suggest me how can i enhance my art to a profesional level.


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luciano63 6 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Sudhanshu,

the best thing is to send to me by email some of your work so that I can see and tell you what I think. Find me on Facebook Luciano Bove and write to me there. OK?


martel 6 years ago

damn. this is discouraging... im 23 looking to go to art center. by the time i get out ill be too old from what your saying. why dont they hire people close to 30?


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luciano63 6 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Martel, do not feel descouraged because the fact you'll attend Art Center will give you a very professional training...so I would not be worried too much! Just keep on your goal. Coming out from accd should pay off the effort and the age factor.


deb 6 years ago

Hi Luciano, my son is 16 and very interested in designing cars. I thought sending him to engineering school would be the best route but you seem to disagree. Is design school his best bet? I will do more research and want to support his decision for designing, I just want the best school for him. thx deb


Santiago 6 years ago

hpw about an industrial designer? is there really a big difference with an engeneer?

what if an industrial designer from a university decides to adventure on car design? would it be different tan other carreers?


marcofuture 6 years ago

Luciano,may I have your email address please?


marcofuture 6 years ago

luciano, actually i have some little problems with fb but i can give you mine so you can contact me :

marcogulla6@gmail.com


v11 6 years ago

The real problem is that an italian school like IAAD, doesn't offer a real preparation at a future car designer.

Why? because this school only wants your money and nothing else.

IAAD doesn't ask an entry portfolio and doesn't wants to know if you have talent or not, the important thing for this "school" is make money, money and money with their courses

There aren't professional teachers, and their theaching methods are totally inappropriate, not professional.

Infact when i started to work for a design studio, everything that i learned was totally incorrect.

Luciano, i'm an ex-student degree at IAAD and i know that you was a teacher at my school many years ago, but now the reality has changed.


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luciano63 6 years ago from Paris Author

Dear V11

since 2006 I am involved again with IAAD design school in Italy. The entry portfolio interview for admission is a must, the main program method when I was teaching many years ago has been confirmed and implemented with new courses.

The school property has changed!

Since 2006 I go there twice a year (I help also on their master program)and I can assure you I was positively impressed by the philosophy change and students results.

We, in Renault, gave already 2 stages for 2 talented students and one of them has been hired 2 years ago. I have some contacts via FB that prove to me some of best sudents of last 3 years are all working between car design studios in europe and motodesign studios in Italy.

I know several people that went to Engineer university or architecture in Italy and they have no job as designers.

Thanks for your comment.


bruz 6 years ago

Luciano, "the school property has changed!".. this is the problem, has changed negatively!.

I have been a student IAAD as v11, I spent three years there, and I was disappointed, embittered by the teaching that was given to me. I also speak on behalf of my former classmates, like me angry for having spent so much money and then having to draw and improve without support from teachers. This is the mood I'm breathing, and I know you can still breathe at IAAD.


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luciano63 6 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Bruz,

I am sorry that things did not go as you hoped...I was not there to tell you the reasons...all I can say is that I visit several design schools and I find IAAD a good one compared to other realities in Europe. I did sponsorize 2 projects visiting every months and checking everybody progress. My company was happy with final result and myself too. Now I can tell you that in every school in the world there are less fortunate students that for a reason or another do not get all out of that experience. In Art Center it did happen to have students complaining about the service offered...at the same time I still believe it is one of the best schools on earth.

When i was a design teacher (in 3 different schools) I always had an average of 20 students of which 5 really good talents, 5 good level, 5 good but that could have been much better but did not make the extra effort,3 OK and 2 that did not continue and failed! This has been a constant for about 12 years of teaching.

Thanks for passing by!


Ingrid 5 years ago

luciano. im 22 and im a first year arquitecture student. im very interested in car design but i dont know if my career as an arquitect will help to achieve this goal. should i change to a design school or for me it would work to do a MA in vehicle design? thanks.


Ingrid 5 years ago

luciano. im 22 and im a first year arquitecture student. im very interested in car design but i dont know if my career as an arquitect will help to achieve this goal. should i change to a design school or for me it would work to do a MA in vehicle design? thanks.


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luciano63 5 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Ingrid, at your age you are at a limited time to make a change. 22 + 3 or 5 years of school in car design you will be 27 by the time you will be finished. Just in time to get a job (and by that time the crisis will be definitely over...).

However I suggest you to follow your passion and make a change after you met a specialist in design schools who can give you advices. Bring with you your car sketches or any art work you have done, this will help to give you an orientation.

OK?

Thanks for asking!


Roman  5 years ago

Dear Luciano,

My name is Roman and I'm 14 years old.I live in Ukraine and I am really interested in car design. I have many sketches and car models made by me. There are no good transportation design schools in Ukraine and I'd like to study in Europe or United States. So what should I do at first to study there? Thank you.


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luciano63 5 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Roman,

you are very young and this is a great advantage! You can plan your scolastic professional course.

In your case I would apply for an artistic college where you are until the age of 18 or 19 and then got to a university or college specialized in car design.

I strongly suggest you MAMI International in Moscow Russia or AFAD University in Bratislava SK.

If you would like to try Italy I suggest IAAD design school in Torino

In USA CCS Detroit or Art Center College in Pasadena.

All the best,

Luciano


Roman 5 years ago

Thanks a lot! By the way, I'd like to send you some photos of my car sketches. what do You think about it? Could you tell me what are my mistakes and what should I do to paint better?


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luciano63 5 years ago from Paris Author

Roman ok with pleasure! Just contact me with Facebook, you'll find me as Luciano Bove and I'll give you my private email.

OK?


Juan 5 years ago

Ciao Luciano come vai?

I read your article and I was a little bit discouraged when i saw that 26/27 was the the Age limit of car designers.

Im actually 27 and Im an Industrial designer. I always dreamt on being a car designer... so i set myself to study a MA in car design, which im probably gonna end at the age of 30. Do I have any chance of being part of the car industry whatsoever?

I was planning on going to the IAAD... what do you think, do I still have a chance?

Thank you very much

Juan


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luciano63 5 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Juan grazie per il commento!

I think that 26/27 is today's average age for hiring, however this is not the rule for everybody. At 30 of age could be a little more difficult but not impossible, it all depends on your portfolio and professional skills abilities.

IAAD is a good school I can recommend.

Take care

Luciano


Sats 5 years ago

Good day Luciano,

Informative article. I would like to study masters in automobile design. I am 24 years old and was studying my bachelors in engineering in the USA but had to drop out. I am currently working on a portfolio to satisfy entry requirements for design schools. Considering my age, I would like to enroll directly into the masters programme so that I am not too old when I graduate. I would like some advice on this. Would a school consider me if my portfolio was good enough. Is there some way I could manage getting into a masters programme directly. Thanks!


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luciano63 5 years ago from Paris Author

HI Sats, I think you can do it to propose yourself for work at the age of 27. Its ok. There are many Transportation design masters around today, best schools are Art Center in Pasadena, Royal College of Art in London, IED and IAAD design schools in Torino Italy, SPD in Milan italy, and others...look for them on internet and you'll find all infos.

Good luck!


Fahad 5 years ago

Hello... Sir .... I had to ask a similar thing.... I'd been very very very much interested in this car designing stuff... and its been around 5 yrs that i didn't know how to get in it.. and is it possible fr me to be a part of it?

I dont have any fine arts degree.... but im ready to do it... im 22 of age now... Im from pakistan ... I just want to know the exact procedure how to take admission in a car designing college.... i dont find interest in any other academic field else than such a creative field....


Jack 5 years ago

Hey Luciano...first of all merry Xmas and happy new year, and second...

Im 14 years old and I very much want to be a car designer,problem is that that there aren't any car design schools in lebanon(with Beirut as it's capital) and am actually thinking of going to Italy to study it and to try to master my skills and become a car designer as I have been planning for 4 years...I have a great drawing hand but I know that I lack something,anyways I like to email you my drawings if you don't mind and discuss this but when I tried to add you on facebook,there were like 28 results :S got any tips? (ps:I want to start studying to become a car designer as soon as possible :D)Thanks

Jack


Jack ( again) 5 years ago

By the way Luciano,very informative blog,I enjoyed reading it,sorry for not mentionning this in my previous comment.


Adi 5 years ago

Hey Luciano! so nice of you to discuss this topic!

I will turn 22 this year, and am in my 4th (final) year of mechanical engineering( from India). I have this fiery passion for cars, design(especially car design), since i was a kid. i look forward to building a career in Transport design. and improvise vehicles right from the design stage, make them more eco-friendly! and i want to take a decision. i could not get into a design school because of the high cost, relative unfamiliarity of the design courses in India, and being unaware and skeptical of getting a sholarship. i'll mail in some of my older design-sketches. could you please evaluate them and enlighten me with what course to take?

thanksalot


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luciano63 5 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Adi, no problem just go on my FB profile and contact me from there to send your email with your sketches.


Adi 5 years ago

this is my portfolio on the Car Design News Site:

http://www.cardesignnews.com/site/designers/portfo...

i'll email you more of them.

thanks!


Clixt 5 years ago

Since you studied at Art Center College of Design at Pasadena, Which one should I go to? I mean Cal State: Long Beach also offers an Industrial Design major. I'm confused now. I'm currently attending a community college, planning to transfer in 2 years..


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luciano63 5 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Clixt,

if you want to follow car design it is better ACCD. However if you want to follow Industrial design Long Beach could be all right.


Clixt 5 years ago

Thanks luciano, I want to design cars more than consumer products, so I might go to ACCD. BTW, I have 0 experience designing cars..


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luciano63 5 years ago from Paris Author

Clixt,

you better start sketching cars unless ACCD will not take you! There is an entry level selection and the best ones will be accepted. So start drawing...


Clixt 5 years ago

Yup, I'm currently taking classes at a community college.. Just the basics though..


Marco Catalano 5 years ago

Dear Luciano

I posted a comment 7 months ago (MarcoCat) and since then have finally applied for automotive design at Coventry University. Fortunately, I have been accepted, however the issue now is the extremely high fees that I have to pay since I am an international student.

Can you please give me suggestions as to how I can source these funds in order to live my dream? I have tried e-mailing car companies, but to no avail... Please help.


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luciano63 5 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Marco Catalano,

money issues are always huge problem and worst of all is today's bad economy not helping the system. So it is normal that companies do not give you a bit of their money to help you.

Honestly I do not know how to help you! I remember that some students in Art Center used to borrow money from bank as a plan financial student.

Basically they started to pay back since months after their first job for several years according to the amount of money borrowed.

I'll keep thinking but I do not whatelse to tell you!

good luck


Rubén 5 years ago

Hi Luciano,

I am a recently graduated industrial design engeenring in Spain(I am 22), and now I want to take a master in car design. I want to study in Italy, and now I am applying for different master as Domus Academy, IED and IAAD. Could you tell me what is the best school between these?and what is your opinion about Domus Academy?

Thanks!


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luciano63 5 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Rubén,

thanks for witing to me asking for my opinion. I suggest you to look at IAAD et IED with strong interest.

Be good!


thapelo maboa 5 years ago

dear luciano im a 20 year south african that is very passionate about car designing,im currently studyin law at the university of limpopo(first year)..so is it too late for me to change?and is there any design school that you know in south africa and the world as a whole?im prayer thapelo on facebook


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luciano63 5 years ago from Paris Author

Thapelo thanks for writing to me...there are too many Thapelos on FB so ask my friendship on FB and after I'll give you my email so we start talking. OK?

Luciano


Ramiz 5 years ago

Dear Luciano,this is Ramiz from India and i am also facing the same problem about which you have wrote in the above blog...actually i had just completed my school and i am 19 now.From now i want to chose my career as a car designer but i am unable to find any reliable information and you know in countries like India it is really hard to chose a career of a designer and that too of a car is even more difficult....since i was small i had derams of this but no way...and you know my marks are not so good to try for engineering so i was trying if i could get acceptance in a good design school some where...My first choice had always remained the Art center of design i had got the mailing address also for submitting portfolio but if you please suggest some other institute it will really help me very much....actually i want to know your opinion


Ayama 5 years ago

pls who knw's about the best car designing school in italy


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luciano63 5 years ago from Paris Author

Ayama, in Italy the best car design school to me is IAAD in Turin www.iaad.it To follow a Mater Program in Transportation Design you have 2 good schools: SPD in Milan and again IAAD in Turin.


Subash Banavati 4 years ago

Hi Luciano , I am 25 and Preparing myself to try and get into admission in Masters programme in transportation in automobile and transportation design in my country ( India ) or even in any top college in Europe ( mainly Italy ) . So assuming it would be a two year course , I'll be 27 or say 27.5 when i graduate . So, Will that be difficult for me to get a job as a designer . I have a bachelors in engineering and a job experience not in the design field .


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luciano63 4 years ago from Paris Author

Hi Subash,

in your case the age is not a problem...however it all depends on your talent level once you finish your master program.


srikanth 4 years ago

dear luciano,

im planning to get into a transportation design school in italy.please guide me.im 18 and a +2 graduate.currently trying to various art methods at nicc,india.im passionate about cars,bikes.


shubham 4 years ago

sir,

after reading most of comment i am some what confuse , as i am an automobile engg. and have great passion towards car designing at present i am 23 and belongs to India, i want to join designing course so what your suggestion that may i go for that or not because after doing course may be my age would cross the youth age factor .or there are any short term courses for designing and if so then guide me please because i don't want further delay this joining


shubham 4 years ago

sir, currently i am doing job as a component designer and having good command over cad designing software specially pro-e.

sir i used to make un offical sketches of cars and bikes from last 7 years as having great affinity towards car designing . So can you help me in selecting course accordingly i want to pursue post graduate in designing.


shubham 4 years ago

thanks


Sam 4 years ago

Hi Luciano,

Just a comment, why it is hard to get a job after 30 ?

Thank you


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luciano63 4 years ago from Paris Author

Sam, yes it is harder because hiring starts at 25.


ale 4 years ago

Dear Luciano,

I am now 26 years, I have fresh graduate from mechatronic engineering. I am from Indonesia. I would like to continue my master in car body design in SPD milan.

How good it is SPD milano ?

Can you explain relationship between SPD and VW group in this master car body design project ?

because this in 15 month course and in the end of course I will go to internship program.

best regard


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luciano63 4 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Ale,

I know very well SPD Milano because I have done few visits and 1 conference...in a few months I'll go back because we are organizing another design conf on a speciphic project.

So my opinion is very positive about SPD. Good luck!


Maria 4 years ago

Dear Luciano,

I am a 24 year old lebanese with a passion for art. I've studied in an art school, and I have been told that I'm great at it. The thing is my other passion is for cars, so my main job for 2 years now was a carsaleswoman and I got introduced (through the trainings we had) to cars' aerodynamics, designs and reasons for why cars are shaped the way they are. So as a good artist and a well informed on car backgrounds, history and designs, do you think it's too late for me to apply for car design courses(even if it's overseas) and eventually work in that major?

Thank you for your time, and your amazingly informative blog.


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luciano63 4 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Maria,

you are a limt case in terms of age. However if you start a design school you would end up with a diploma at 28 or 29 years of age you could still make it!

So contact fast several good design schools and ask them showing your art work to have a feedback before spending your money and time!

Good luck!


Maria 4 years ago

I was looking through colleges and I landed on Coventry University which has this course available.. What do you think about it? And I think I need to apply for next year 2013 since it's a bit late this year, right?


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luciano63 4 years ago from Paris Author

Coventry is good!


Amol 4 years ago

respected sir,

i m 23 tr old n now iwana start career in designing field so will u please help me 2 find out bst college for my designing career. i had done my degree in Automobile. wol u please help me


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luciano63 4 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Amol check out these schools websites: art center college of design pasadena, college for creative studies in detroit, iaad turin italy, strate college in paris france, phorzeim school in germany.


Sky Barbosa 4 years ago

Hi there, I am 18 years old, Very interested in going into the field of Car design... as i read in one of the comments there are no car/transportation design courses in south africa whatsoever, i live in south africa and do not have the funds to be able to study over sea's. Does anyone know of ANY car design colleges/courses etc? i really want to fulfill my dream of hopefully designing the top sport cars in the world. Thank you


jenna 4 years ago

I have recently been accepted to ACCD with a scholarship, but I'm turning 30 this year. It sounds like from your replies, even when I get out (at age 34) it will be really difficult to find a job. Do companies necessarily look at your age first in hiring?


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luciano63 4 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Jenna congratulations for ACCD... in your case it will be less complicated simply because you will attend the best school for Design...the opportunities there are many....I went there I know! Work hard and have fun!


rehan tanveer 4 years ago

hi,i loved ur article can u please tell me what should i do automotive engineering or design school i live in pakistan here there is noany concept about design school,my both brother are mba n both sister doctor i am youngest in home there is no engineer or any one related to guide to please bro tell me what should i do,i love cars so very much i want to get remarkable achievement in this field please help me ,i live in karachi pakistan ,in pakistan there are 3 universities who have automotive department the best in them is N.E.D UNIVERSITY LOCATED IN KARACHI PLEASE GIVE GUIDENCE BRO N WHICH CARS U HAVE DESIGNED?


Subash Banavati 4 years ago

I agree With Luciano on the age limit . At 30 it's difficult to get a job in Car Designing but not impossible . I , myself am doing masters in Transportation design in India . I am 26 yrs old and into my first year . It seems to me that everyone is more worried about age and not talent and the hard work that we need to put in . If you can put in two years of hardwork ( ofcourse you need the talent.If you can't draw , i am sorry you can't be a car designer ) You can get a job and a good one . With markets having opened up in India and other Asian countries , with the right approach and flexibility of course its possible .


bari dar 4 years ago

i want to become a car designer and i did'nt know what kind of education i should get or which university or college is best for me . i am 18 year old and live in pakistan , car design is my favorite field but i did't know about this field. plzzz help me


shoaib patel 4 years ago

i want to become a car& bike designer and i didn't know what kind of education i should get or which university or college is best for me . i am 20 year old and live in india , car&bike design is my favorite field but i did't know about this field. plzzz help me


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luciano63 4 years ago from Paris Author

dear Shoaib, check this website school in Italy www.iaad.it they teach car design and also bike design with teachers from Ducati and interesting sponsors...

You need this school or similar to do what you ask to do.

Good luck!


Bela 4 years ago

Is a design school a university.i live in south africa and i realy wana become a car designer wat should i do because they are no design schools.and my school doesn't offer any courses plz help here's my phone number 0766658583


Manzil Shrestha 4 years ago

Dear Luciano,

I am now 23 years, I am studying Bachelor in Computer Application and i am not getting in it. I am from Nepal. I would like to quit B.C.A. and start my career in transportation design.

I had completed my +2 in commerce.I am interested in sketching concept car n bike models and other mean of transportation but its only limited in my sketch book.

Does the age limit and and academic loss affect in applying for those course.I am afraid of the tuition fee which might be expensive for me.

Please help me

Best regard


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luciano63 4 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Manzil,

you can try but you must know as I wrote that you must have 2 important elements: creative talent + the right age (and some money too).

The IAAD design school in turin italy is not expensive compared to others www.iaad.it try to get infos of there and see what they say!

Luciano


Manzil Shrestha 4 years ago

Thank you alot sir,

You might be back from your vacation.

I was waiting for your suggestion.

Thanks alot again.


deep277 4 years ago

Dear Sir,

I am deeply interested in learning the Design of Engine Mountings, Body Mountings, Silent Block Bushes and other Rubber components in an automotive. I have an Engineering background ( Graduate in Production Engineering).

I am employed in a company in India which makes such components as OEM.

Would there be any (Scholarship) short term courses in Italy or Europe (6 - 10 Weeks) in which design of Rubber components is taught ?


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luciano63 4 years ago from Paris Author

Sorry no idea! here we talk about car design..


DakshanWJ 4 years ago

Dear sir ,

I am Dakshan , im 18 years old . My one and only passion is cars and i have a talent in art . my only dream is to become a car designer , and in order for me to do that i wanted to apply for a transportation design course at coventry university in U.K , and I also tried a few other universities which offer this course , however my parents find it difficult to afford to send me to them.

Therefore I am now going to do a bachelor in arts (hons) degree in INDUSTRIAL DESIGN , in a malaysian university ( Limkokwing university of creative technology ) .

I just want to ask you if i can archieve my dream following industrial design and how to get into the industry.

your advice would be of great help to me,

regards

Dakshan


DakshanWJ 4 years ago

Dear sir ,

Thank you so much for your advice !

There is one more thing i would like to ask you , can i get a job in the automotive design industry with my bachelors degree in Industrial design?

regards

Dakshan

because first i need to earn some money to pay for my masters course in Transportation design


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luciano63 4 years ago from Paris Author

No I do not think so....


DakshanWJ 4 years ago

dear sir ,

If i send you some of my sketches will you be able to review them for me?

regards ,

Dakshan Wijesinghe


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luciano63 4 years ago from Paris Author

OK, but to do so please contact me via Facebook look for "Car Design Education Tips" send a message there and I'll give you email adress... ok?


manni aheer 3 years ago

sir

i am from Pakistan.CAN I TALK WITH YOU?


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luciano63 3 years ago from Paris Author

Of course yes!


christian rahi 3 years ago

Dear Sir

i am deeply interested to become a car designer so i have a question : if i did industrial design at university can i get a car designer job or i have to go to a design school and learn it?


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luciano63 3 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Christian in my opinion and accordingly to my experience if you have a creative talent for car design you should go to a car design school to learn it.


christian rahi 3 years ago

Dear Sir

Thank you for your information... i have one more question: do you know a car design school in Sweden other than Umea university ?


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luciano63 3 years ago from Paris Author

No I don't, but Umea is the best!


christian rahi 3 years ago

Dear Sir

Before I apply for a car design school do i need to train in drawing or i will get my training in the design school ?


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luciano63 3 years ago from Paris Author

Christian,

you will get the right training in school. However, to get admitted you should pass a test of admission which consists in a mini portfolio presentation of your skills (drawings, paintings,...). For this reason it is better if you start right away to train yourself to make sure you will be admitted....


christian rahi 3 years ago

Thank you for your informations


christian rahi 3 years ago

Do i need to enter an artistic college before i enter to a car design school?


christian rahi 3 years ago

By the way how can i send you a sketch of my drawings ? :D


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luciano63 3 years ago from Paris Author

Not necessary to go to art college before design school...if you are talented you are going to be ok...to send me sketches do this way: find me on Facebook search for Luciano Bove car designer...leave a message and I'll send you my email.


christian rahi 3 years ago

I left a comment on your page on facebook


Aaron 3 years ago

Dear Luciano,

I'm from Singapore and have wanted to be a car designer for as long as I can remember. I turn 25 this year and have a Diploma in Industrial Design from a polytechnic in Singapore. My portfolio is very product-oriented but my goal has always been to progress to transport design.

So far I have a conditional offer from Coventry University and I'm waiting to hear from Northumbria. However these would be 4-year BA(Hons) courses and after reading your blog I'm starting to worry that age will become a problem for me, so I recently discovered SPD's one-year course in Car Design Tools and the subsequent Master in Car Design which sounds like a faster option. I heard about IAAD as well but I'm not sure if the course is in English. ACCD and CCS would be great of course but the private American schools are way beyond my budget.

Would you recommend SPD over Coventry in my case? If I do four years at Coventry I would be 29 by the time I graduate, but might the extra time to improve plus the placement year might be advantageous over the two-year option at SPD? Thank you so much in advance for your help.


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luciano63 3 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Aaron,

thanks for reading my articles about schools and age...it is true according to my vision and experience your age is border line to make 4 years of additional school...however the SPD school opportunity in Milan is a good one I know them and sometimes I visit them too....so go for it check it out!


Nico 3 years ago

Hi Luciano,

I've just been accepted at the one year MA at the SPD... and waiting for some several other 2 years MA courses inclusive RCA. I pretty confident in obtaining some few other admissions. My small portfolio did include lot of 3D work with few very decent sketches.

BUT

All this comes after more than 10 years high-end digital modeling automotive contract jobs (and before that, a BA in product design). We probably met before (yes I know we did) but I prefer to not tell more about me for the moment. I simply want a decent evolution in the business.

What would you think about such a profile? I mean, age is important. I'll be 36-37 once I got a MA. Don't you honnestly think that it's old?

Thanks for your blog.


Nico 3 years ago

Hi Luciano, thanks for the answer.

I think the best I have to do is to insure myself a place (as a designer, I mean... world is always full of alias jobs) BEFORE to start a MA; if possible get a sponsoring (in our days, this kind of things have to be hardly negociated) and then... just follow the passion!


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luciano63 3 years ago from Paris Author

I agree with you...wishing you the best, Luciano


okhot11 3 years ago

Hi Luciano,

I am student of 3rd year of mechanical engg. from Pune University in India. Is it difficult to get admission in RCA London or Art center CA after scoring valid TOFL score? I can draw cars ,trucks in almost all perspective. What questions will be asked in the interview for vehicle design in RCA or Art Center? I am very passionate about car designing.


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luciano63 3 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Okhot, in those schools is hard to get in....now English test is very important, but your mini portfolio for entry admission will be as important. So contact the schools to learn about their rules for admission and prepare yourself with the best miniportfolio you can put together.

All the best,

Luciano


saurabh malpathak 3 years ago

Hey! Iam Saurabh Malpathak, I live in India, Nasik.

When I was in class 7th, I grew mad about cars and their designs, and different styles.I had one and only dream, to design a Lamborghini and a Mclaren some day.I just love cars, and suddenly i realized that in India, automobile designing is not at all considered as worthy or important.

Now, presently, Iam in 11th class, Iam still working on making my dream true. All these years I hav sketched, and sketched and sketched... and gave my passion a start. I have very great ideas, fantasting designes. I have even won some compititions on drawing and designing.

But to get job in india in as good as impossible, and to go outside and learn or to do a job is very very expencive. So, now im starting to think that my unique talent and dream is gonna go unfinished.

thats the part which worries me the most, all the time.

but i hope theres some one out there to help me, so Iam telling as many people as i can , in person and on the internet.

if you think you are that person , or you know the person iam finding, please email me :

sbhsmal511@gmail.com

Thank You.


Roy 3 years ago

Dear Luciano

Great blog! Kudos.

Could you please comment on the fact why do we see designers (as employees) have very short lifespan? While in most professions as people become more experienced and turns grey, they move up higher, while the Transport Designers are more like footballers who has a limited length of time as a career in a Car Major. I may say, guessing, that about 70% of them fall off by the time they are 45.

Isn't that a problem? Obviously it is not the end of the world for them, as they move to freelancing, teaching etc. But what exactly is the reason that companies try to prefer the 30+ here, than 40+, while 50+ is just too rare, except may be the one position of the Head of a specific unit?


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luciano63 3 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Roy,

interesting and curious comment you made...also a bit funny..now I feel like a cool good looking football player with nice girls around me :)

In reality it is not what you think or perceived...I work as designer since 25 years now (I am 50) and always in big companies like Fiat and today Renault...I have several collegues whom are even older than me, however the creative talents are of course young designers from 25 years of age until 35 ...later on career moves on different roles according to your personality experience and creeative capacity. lets talk about me...I feel still to be very creative even if today I manage a great designers team..I also teach to "share" and help people younger than me to approach correctly to our car design field....it is true there are several designers that at 40 years of age decide to quit the big studios to move on different design experiences and some go to teaching or open their own freelance agency...I think our cathegory is very normal in Fiat as well in renault I saw designers and design managers arrive to retirement just like any other job post..

I hoep i gave you a better idea about our reality :)

Luciano


Roy 3 years ago

Thanks Luciano. You're a good man and just a few year senior. A good manager too, not that anything less is expected of an Art Center grad. My best wishes and many thanks for your positive response. Now I feel much better about my son's choice.


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luciano63 3 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Roy,

I understand I can remember my father's worries...I remember also when he started to be very proud of me too :)...I am sure that for you it is going to be the same anyway I wish it to you!

take care,

Luciano


Zii 2 years ago

Dear Luciano,

First off, thanks for your information related to transportation design. I'm 21, final year in Bachelors of Engineering, Mechanical. I chose my engineering degree due to my love for cars and now I've realized I'm more interested in the exterior design. I've been involved in a team, which build and test single seater race cars, I'm currently heading the team, involved in design of the chassis, body and cockpit. I was thinking of preparing a strong portfolio for 2 years so as to make myself eligible for MS in Transportation Design in ACCD, or MA from Phorzheim. Since you've mentioned in this article that doing a 2 years Master after Bachelors in Engineering doesn't make you a good car designer, I'm a bit concerned regarding taking such a decision, given that these courses are very expensive. I was watching few videos of transportation design projects from ACCD, and few students were having trouble due to their lack of knowledge in technical aspects such as aerodynamics , so I believe coming from an engineering background would be of great advantage. I'd like to know what's your take on this.

Thanks in advance,

Zijah


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luciano63 2 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Zii, what I try to explane in my article is: to be a good car designer you have to produce an outstanding portfolio..to do so you need the right time to learn and exercise in a good design school with the right method..;to do so you need at least 4 years of school! Now you can do thid after your engineering university...however if you become a good designer at the age of 32!!!it looks a bit old for the market...if you do it and get out with your portfolio at 28/29 years of age ...in this case it is OK!


Zii 2 years ago

Thanks a lot for you reply Luciano, really appreciate it. After some research I've figured out that it is very difficult to excel in Transportation Design just after engineering since I'm lacking design background inorder to compete with the students who've already spend 3 to4 years doing their bachelors in the same. Hence I'm also considering to do my second bachelors in Transportation Design. I'm considering this option mainly because I really really want to be a car designer, and I don't want miss out on basics and directly do masters. I wanted to ask you if thats a good idea as you're very experienced in this field. I'd also like to know if a Bachelors in TD is sufficient for a good job. I'm currently planning to take a short course in arts for a year or so after my engineering degree to improve my drawing skills inorder to prepare an impressive portfolio.

Thanks again,

Zijah


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luciano63 2 years ago from Paris Author

It is better to do a full bachelor in transportation design. if you have talent and will produce a good portfolio you will have good chances to get a job!


Zii 2 years ago

Thanks a lot for your valuable advice, I think I'll most probably follow that path. I'll be 26/27 by the time I finish my bachelors in TD in that case, I hope that's not too old. Thanks again for your time, I was having a looking around your blog, very informative for aspirants like me.


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luciano63 2 years ago from Paris Author

it is going to be OK!


Pamela 2 years ago

Hello Luciano,

First of all I want to thank you for all the valuable information you share in your articles and I think your work is amazing.

Well, I hope you can give me some advice about my career path.

I am an industrial designer (Graduated in May 2011). I chose Industrial Design as a career thinking that I would eventually become involved in car design, which is my passion and I don't see myself working on anything else that is not related with the automotive industry.

I am from Mexico, I am 25 years old, and currently working here in Mexico City. I have worked for almost 2 years now, in a company that manufactures polyurethane autoparts for Volvo and Irizar buses (RIM injection). I have had the opportunity to design interior parts (like partition walls and arm rests). Unfortunately the opportunities of designing are not as many as I wish because many of the parts we get to manufactured are of course already designed by the client.

My sketching skills are not bad, but I consider I have a long way to go before I can master them (specially car sketches). So, for now I am enrolling on an intensive Car Sketching Course taught in Rigoletti Casa de Diseño (a renowned design school here in Mexico).

My course will start this month and finish on December. Then, my goal is to enroll in a Master of Transportation and I am considering applying to SPD (First completing the One Year Course, then the Master) for next year.

So I expect I'll be 27-28 max when I finish the Master. What do you think? SPD is a good way to go? Thank you very much!


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luciano63 2 years ago from Paris Author

Ciao Pamela,

thanks for your compliments! Your case is perfect to do what you just told...you have all the rights to go with your sketching course and then go to a Master in Transportation Design to complete your design education.

SPD is a very good school in Milan...in alternative you have IAAD in Turin and also UMEA University in Sweden which offers an excellent Master program in Transportation design.

If you need you can check my FB page Car Design Education Tips or my profile Luciano Bove car designer...there I have contacts of people workng in these schools.

All the best,

Luciano


Pamela 2 years ago

Hello Luciano,

Thank you for your invaluable help! I will certainly check your FB page.

I hope we keep in touch in the near future!

Kind regards


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luciano63 2 years ago from Paris Author

My pleasure!


Manuel 2 years ago

Hi Luciano,

The other day I found your page and I felt terrible when I started reading the comments. I am 30 years old.

I always wanted to become a car designer, but when I was 18 nobody in Spain knew to tell me where to study to accomplish my dream. I studied a computer engineering and my idea was to work some time and make some money to pay the courses. (I heard about IED Torino while working, Car Design schools exist!).

I was decided to start this year a course in Italy or England or whereever, but now I see I was wrong wasting all this time.

Do you think there is any possibility to get a job with 32/33 coming from school?

Is there any other position related to car design more suitable for my age?

Thanks a million for your valuable information!!


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luciano63 2 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Manuel,

I understand how you feel and this is the reason why in Italy I started to teach first at IAAD and later on at IED opening the 1st Transportation design departement.

It is obvious that at your age is really difficult to be a car designer in a major car company design studio, if you really have an excellent talent and with your master course school you can learn well how to draw and render....you might have a chance!

If we think about about a different field always related to car design I think of Alias modeling Virtual 3D activities...there you would have better chances to find a job....but it will not be easy!


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occult-unorthodox 2 years ago from P.R.China

this is a chinese not-that-young man who've finished his Bachelor's degree in Engineering in HIT(this is indeed off the track!) and i currently trying to get a suitable school. I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A DESIGNER SINCE CHILDHOOD! I AM ALWAYS THE ARTIST IN SCIENCE SCHOOL! for reasons that "I THINK ONE SHOULD KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT NATURE" i chose to be a science student. and now it is time to try to be a designer. i got positive response from SPD and IED. RCA have not received my portfolio, and got no response from ACCD. would you like to see my mini portfolio in PDF format?


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luciano63 2 years ago from Paris Author

yes please send it to lucianobove@yahoo.com


sat prakash sharma 2 years ago

hello sir,

Can you please elaborate your below comment as this is highly confusing...

"Universities are excellent to form in their respective fields, however we cannot pretend that from Engineering we switch to Design and in 2 years of Master program we are designers! Sorry ,this is not possible."

I have done engineering and have two years experience in automobile industry... doing a design program will be a backdrop for me???????


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luciano63 2 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Sat in my opinion you cannot pretend to be a car designer with an engineering background and 1 year of Car Design Master! That is all!


kunwar walia 2 years ago

Hi Luciano

After going through the posts above, I believe u can really help me here.

Starting with my education history, I did mechanical engineering, then i went on to pursue Masters in Design from IIT Guwahati, one of the top universities in my country India. But you see vehicle design is not a very well developed stream in my country, therefore I wasn't satisfied what i achieved. Then I worked with a professor on a research project (transportation design) for two years to build a strong portfolio.

I applied for advanced master courses in vehicle design to some foreign universities. I got the call from Art Center College of Design Pasadena is MS Transportation Systems Track ( they found my work more suitable for this, but a applied for Vehicle track). And also I got the call from Royal College of Art in MA Vehicle Design.

Now sir I am really confused where to go, both are good, equally expensive as I am an International student.

Please help me in taking my decision.

regards

Kunwar


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luciano63 2 years ago from Paris Author

No doubts Art Center College of the Design is the best!


kunwar walia 2 years ago

Even for the master's course which they started in 2012.


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luciano63 2 years ago from Paris Author

Yes I know the teachers and responsible of the master...do not worry!


kunwar walia 2 years ago

Thank you sir..


Catzim 2 years ago

Hello Luciano, I´ve read your article and I´m really sure that you can help me. I´m 18 years old, and I´m from Mexico, I´m studing industrial design, the first bachelors year, my dream have been always design cars, but now I´m overwhelmed, I know I´m youth yet, that is the reason why if I can do something now for being an automotive designer, I´d do it as fast as I can, I´ve got a doubt. Should I have to study the bachelor of transportation design and forget industrial design? or keep on studing and finish the bachelor of industrial design in Mexico and then study the master in trasportation design? Sweden is a good option?

Thank you


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luciano63 2 years ago from Paris Author

Dear Catzim,

in your case it is much better to start right away a full course in Transportation Design and No Master!


thimma 20 months ago

hi luciano ,

i am 21 , graduated in mechanical engineering .. my passion towards automobiles drew me to do mechanical .. now i want to pursue my post graduation from a design school in india .. do u think i am making a right decision .. will the recruiters consider from this background though we are passionate .. can we excel later ..


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luciano63 19 months ago from Paris Author

to be a car designer you need a car design school full course!


Ariyo Adebanjo 15 months ago

Hello Luciano,

I am a graduate of computer technology from a Nigerian university, before my four years here I developed a love for car design but there are no design schools in nigeria, so I opted for computer tech. Now I want to apply for a masters in car design at domus academy milan, italy. I want to know the posibillities of gaining admission there by next year and also if there are any summer courses, or trainings I should enroll in for the time being. I'll be expecting your honest reply, Thank you


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luciano63 15 months ago from Paris Author

Try Domus or SPD in Milan or IAAD or IED in Turin...however to become a car designer you need a full car design course of at least 3 years. This is my opinion.


Someone 14 months ago

Hello.

I live in Iran, my designing and sketching is so good that people always tell me to send some of my works to car designing collages so that they might accept you, I am 20 year old now and I study IT engineering in an university in my country, I've sent a 3D model to LamboCars.com and they accepted that and wrote an article about it however that was my very first try to make a 3D model of my virtual car.

My family is not rich enough and I was (and I am) afraid of going to a collage of car designing in USA or Europe because of the costs and also I'm afraid no company hires me after finish studying the field, although I honestly believe that I could be a successful designer if I go there.

My current field of study is I.T (Information Technology) Engineering and I love it however I love car designing field too (actually love it more, that doesn't mean I dislike the I.T studying field) and people tell me If I go to car designing field, I'd have less risk of having unsuccessful life.

Time is going and according to what I read here, you are a professional teacher in the car designing field and I'd be glad if you help me and tell me that I should whether go to those collages or continuing my current field of study.

However to go to the car design field, I should know about the costs. Specially I am not rich and I live in Iran.

If is necessary, I will send you some of my car designing works to you. just if so, tell me your E-Mail, please.

To know about me more, please read below:

#Average time for me to make a 3D model of a car in 3DS Max with interior, exterior and also engine parts: About 2 weeks.

#Average time to do a quick sketch with details: less than 7 minutes.

#Number of sketches: I can't tell since I draw lots of cars in a week and I started to draw cars when I was 9 and never stopped, However I draw significantly less cars nowadays because of my field of study, but I draw correct 3D cars (I mean with somehow less perspective errors) in a paper faster than before (~9 minutes average) .

I am somehow drawaholic, I mean I draw cars every time I see a clean paper, even in my exams when I am thinking, I draw cars. I can't stop it!.

Thanks for your attention to my post.

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