WTC 1, 2 and 7, 9-11-2001 and Pre-Planning

This was the glory of the WTC towers 1 and 2 before their destiny with fate on that day of infamy on September 11th, 2001.
This was the glory of the WTC towers 1 and 2 before their destiny with fate on that day of infamy on September 11th, 2001. | Source
This is an overview of the entire WTC complex as it appears in this rendition of the several buildings that made it up.
This is an overview of the entire WTC complex as it appears in this rendition of the several buildings that made it up. | Source

Was the World Trade Center Scuttled?

When the World Trade Center towers one, two and seven of New York came crashing down at near free fall speed on September 11th, 2001, they raised a lot of eyebrows and questions. This is especially true of tower seven that was never struck by a plane and was less severely damaged by falling debris form WTC 1 & 2 than buildings around the WTC across the street and much closer that WTC 7. Since then, a plethora of theories and conspiracies have arisen, from the plausible to the ridiculous. Well, here is another hypothesis to consider that takes into account the plenitude of anomalies, but considers another possibility that can smooth out the lumps in them. The short story is that for the main part, thermite or thermate was installed during the building of the towers and not added later. Additional explosives may well have been added later, but these were to augment those already there, sitting and waiting for the day when the plug was pulled on the WTC. Let us tackle this hypothesis on two fronts; the historical and the logistical.

For the historical we need to consider when the towers were built and whether or not there was thermite available. In the case of the logistical, we need to consider what is the best scenario for carrying out a pre-planned demolition, at least for the case of WTC 7 if not for all three. In the case of the three towers, WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7, the dates construction commenced were August 1968, January 1969 and 1983 respectively (1). They were subsequently opened to the public on December 23rd, 1970, July 19, 1971 and 1987 respectively (1). All three came down on September 11th, 2001 and the levelling of the towers was described as a terrorist strike led by Osama bin Laden. Plenty of controversy would erupt almost at the outset. Now, on the other hand, the chemistry of thermite has been known about since 1893 and the process was patented in 1895 by a German chemist, Hans Goldschmidt (2). It was used variously for igniting pyrotechnics, munitions and welding. It is also known to ignite and burn at a temperature well in excess of the melting point of steel. An offshoot of thermite is thermate (3), which is a nanopartical composite much like thermite, but designed to burn hotter and longer than thermite. Aside from containing aluminum and ferrous materials, termate includes sulphates that generate much higher and faster burning temperatures. Thermate is a much more recent evolution of Thermite, which makes up a large proportion of Thermate. Thermite though is more than sufficient to cut through steel.


This photo in the ashes of one of the collapsed towers appeared shortly after the catastrophe. It shows a steel tube column cut at a 56 degree angle as if cut by an oxygen-acetylene torch. However, evidence showed thermite was involved.
This photo in the ashes of one of the collapsed towers appeared shortly after the catastrophe. It shows a steel tube column cut at a 56 degree angle as if cut by an oxygen-acetylene torch. However, evidence showed thermite was involved. | Source

In order to bring down a steel tube columned building, demolition experts know that they have to cut through the upright beams at a minimum 45 degree angle from the vertical in order for the severed beams to separate under the force of gravity as the overlaying structure presses down. All the beams would have to be severed simultaneously in order to bring down a building vertically into its own footprint. The simultaneous severing would have to be accomplished using a klystron or Krytron switch (4), something only developed and used in 1945 during the birth of the atomic bomb era (5).. These switches are used in a variety of functions beside nuclear detonations of fission fusion bombs, but the one used for bombs are under strict export/import control. Not just anyone can get a hold of a klytron of klystron rapid fire switch. A steel tube framed building is unlikely to topple or collapse if a plane hits it or even if it catches on fire. There are plenty of steel tubed framed buildings that have experienced both and none of them collapsed or toppled as a result. It is known that they will topple in a severe earthquake due to liquefaction of the ground, but they will topple as a unit and not disintegrate.

This brings us to our next point and that is of demolition. Though nothing at all struck WTC 7 on September 11th, 2001, it still imploded! WTC 7 is a classic implosion demolition event. For that matter, so were WTC 1 and WTC 2 as will be explained in context. To bring down a steel tube framed building that is 110 or even just 47 stories requires lots of preperation; several weeks to several months depending on the size and complexity of the building (6). The size of the WTC buildings would push the preparation to the several month end of the scale. It would by logistical argument alone, be easier to pre-wire a building to be imploded that to retro-fit later. While the building was under construction, few people would take note of all the details of construction, especially if thermite or thermate lines were installed on the steel tube uprights. For WTC 1 & 2, that is some 47 vertical columns in the heart of each building and 59 on the outside for each of the four faces. We can begin to see why for over 100 floors with some 4,700 possible placements of a very specific type of demolition tool would be more efficient to include in the original plan than to retrofit later with all the noise, inconvenience, prying eyes and length of time involved to retro-fit 267 floors of all three buildings at a later date. One need only add a klystron or krytron switch later through a single access panel, where all the wiring was already in place. Though it could be argued that the upper floors would not need to be prepped in this matter, the lower floors would certainly have to be prepped in order for the implosion demolition to work by collapsing the buildings into their respective footprints. The only thing that would argue against this scenario, is a fire on the 11th floor of WTC 1 that happened several years before the collapse. Somehow, the fire did not ignite the pre-planted demolition materials despite getting between walls and false ceilings. Perhaps it was the asbestos that prevented a premature, thernite or thermate initiated collapse. The fire was successfully doused by in house sprinklers and the quick action of the NYFD..

All three WTC buildings were fire proofed and insulated with asbestos that was not regulated until 1989 where it was banned in the US and its use in buildings was to be phased out due to critical health issues. In the following years, it was to be carefully removed from existing buildings where it was installed. During the post 1989 Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) era, property owners were required to hire qualified contractors to remove it from behind walls in vacant suites prior to them being rented out with a suitable replacement insulation and fire retardant. This would include all the WTC towers as they were all completed prior to the ban. As the WTC buildings were all sealed, this task was complicated insofar as that the delivery of fresh air into the building had to continue during any renovation. It can be seen that to remove asbestos in such an environment would be a monumental task. It would be equivalent to affecting major engine repair to a commercial jet while it was running in flight. The single fact of asbestos removal could prove to be an argument for post construction placement of thermite, but it still implies plenty of advanced planning to rig three buildings. Given the fact of the complexity of the operation, this throws the weight of argument for construction based installation of thermite or thermate. In addition, long term tenants, such as the FBI in WTC 7 would prohibit the post construction placement of Thermite or Thermate as the suites would have to be vacant for asbestos removal as the excuse to gain access to the steel supports.

This is typical of a building that is being imploded demolished.
This is typical of a building that is being imploded demolished. | Source
These three photos of WTC 7 show that it collapsing in a classic demolition fashion.
These three photos of WTC 7 show that it collapsing in a classic demolition fashion. | Source

We now have to face the question as to why such a plan would be put into place before the opening of the WTC buildings. The primary reasoning would go somewhat like this. Given that most modern buildings have a limited life span, to pre-instal a demolition device makes sense. Further, if the buildings in future became unstable due to a major earthquake, they would have to be brought down in a safe manner. Trades people such as plumbers, electricians and engineers know that basic equipment has to be replaced after about thirty years. Boilers wear out and so does electrical equipment and plumbing which could lead to a major water leak and destruction if not attended to in time. Equipment like elevators get dated and worn out. Also, due to the post 1989 EPA ruling on asbestos, the buildings suddenly lost a lot of value and a huge amount of financing would be required to retrofit such a massive project as the WTC. The WTC became something of a major white elephant post EPA and as they reached their thirty year life span in 2000, 2001 and 2007 respectively they would require plenty of refitting. After these dates, it was just a matter of time before some sort of decision would to be forced.

Now the steel skeleton would likely be the most resilient thing about all three buildings. They could be selectively refurbished and such activity surrounding the asbestos was already well underway. But, refurbishing is astronomically expensive, especially as old tenants moved out and new ones were scarce and hard to find. The buildings had aldso gotten a rep as being sick buildings due to their closed air recycling system and this scared off potential tenants. New York has plenty of office space for rent. Refurbishing the upper floors would be the most difficult and expensive. Replacing entire elevators complete with cabling is also a major challenge.

But, there is another nagging question in all of this. The Empire State Building and Chrysler Buildings are far older and they are still standing. In their heyday, they were the world's tallest buildings and both contain steel frame networks to support their massive weight. Why have these not been brought down? The only answer here is a complex one that tells us that they were built in an era where planned obsolescence was not an important consideration. They were also designed to be more open to the environment and thus did not require the massive engineering to recycle fresh air. They were also designed so that parts that needed replacing could be done so easily with the state of the art at the time. With advances, those tasks became easier. The owners did not conceive of making buildings for the short term, but erected them with the object that they would last for centuries. They may not be as earthquake proof as the WTC was designed to be, but they were up to code for their day.

The WTC went into private hands in the late 1990s and the buyers were forced to take out a huge insurance policy. What was to follow was an execution of a plan well established all the way back into the 1960s before even the first cornerstone was ever laid. There is little doubt that plenty of discussion occurred, both public and private. Easements and permissions had to be obtained for structures of such magnitude. This took almost a decade to work out. A huge pit had to be dug and this was to extend below sea level. The pit would hold the massive parkade and the main engineering for the site. The pit had to be lined to prevent sea water seepage into the site. Once that was done, the main construction commenced, first of WTC 1 and then on WTC 2. It was during this phase that the thermite or thermate was installed against the day that the buildings had to be scuttled. The reasons for an orderly scuttling of a massive steel structure have already been cited. What was not disclosed was the unreasonable and orderly scuttling of a massive building.

Ships that have lived out their useful life are routinely scuttled (immoderately destroyed) for various purposes. This one became part of an artificial reef.
Ships that have lived out their useful life are routinely scuttled (immoderately destroyed) for various purposes. This one became part of an artificial reef. | Source

Raw footage of WTC 1 and 2 taken from a nearby hotel

Why would an owner want to destroy his own property, especially as it was worth hundreds of millions? Indeed, to own property of such value, one would have to be ultra-rich. Some say that it was an insurance scam that netted a few times the worth of the complex. Others say that the building complex became a white elephant that was bleeding money. In any event, the buildings had to be “replaced”. But, it is not an easy manner to evict thousands of tenants in short order so that an orderly demolition could be executed. One of the tenants was the FBI, who had many floors in WTC7. Others were major international financial institutions from all around the world, located in WTC 1 and 2. Besides, for such massive structures, this was a highly dangerous consideration for downtown New York, densely packed with hundreds of towers.

Scuttling a ship is routine after it has finished its useful life. Most wind up recycled like the WTC buildings, which incidentally wound up in a new stealth warship later dispatched to the Middle East. A famous ship scuttling occurred off the coast of Britain when the captain refused to deliver Jews fleeing Nazi Germany back to their oppressor. These fleeing people were turned down by every country and were being shipped back to point of origin. The captain after being refused by Britain too, scuttled the ship by deliberately crashing on some rocks. Survivors took to life boats and some swam to shore. The incident was blamed on some other situation, but the scuttling of the ship saved lives that otherwise would have been snuffed out by torture in a concentration camp. The eight battleships docked at Pearl Harbour were in essence scuttled by sacrificing them to the Japanese air force, while the main battle groups had made their escape long before. It mattered little that more than 2,000 sailors lost their lives. It appears that not only ships are scuttled. Rockets gone awry are also exploded in mid air or space to prevent them wreaking havoc below. So then, why not buildings if they pose a “risk”? Did the WTC present such a risk? That is unknown beyond the fact that they were a financial liability during the 9-11 event. Besides, the massive mortgage on the buildings would have been paid in full by 2001 for WTC 1 and 2 as most mortgages are calculated for a thirty year term, the very year the buildings came down. Do the math! The third that had not yet been paid in full was likely written off in the insurance. Making the best out of a worsening situation, a scenario was concocted in order to collect on the insurance to pay what remained on a debt for what had become a white elephant. All that was required was a false flag to redirect the blame for the controlled demolition of all three buildings. Though many doubt what caused WTC 1 and 2 to collapse, there is little doubt about WTC 7.

The US had already been at war with Iraq a full decade earlier and still occupied the country in search of Saddam Hussein. Desert Storm itself was initiated in the early months of 1991 and continued thereafter. Saddam Hussein was once the ally of the US in an eight year war against the newly established theocratic regime in Iran that had deposed another US puppet, the Shah of Iran in 1979. The war was not successful and Iran remained intact, though battle bruised. In that period, the US provided the Iraqi regime WMD in its battle against Iran. Some of these surfaced when Hussein used them on Kurds in his own country. They became the pretext for invasion after the Kuwait invasion by Iraq in 1990. All of this was before 9-11 but laid the groundwork as to who would become the patsy in the events to unfold later. The Iraq situation was to prove to be very handy in establishing a possible proxy event.

This photo is of the initial strike of WTC 2. WTC i has already been struck and is burning in the background. Later, both buildings collapsed in a cloud of dust and a swirl of controversy.
This photo is of the initial strike of WTC 2. WTC i has already been struck and is burning in the background. Later, both buildings collapsed in a cloud of dust and a swirl of controversy. | Source
Later, both WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed producing what appears like a pyroclastic flow. Both buildings collapsed into their own footprint.
Later, both WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed producing what appears like a pyroclastic flow. Both buildings collapsed into their own footprint. | Source

On September 11th, 2001, at 8:46 AM, the first plane crashed into the N. Tower, aka, WTC 1. Then at 9:03 AM, a second plane crashed into the S. Tower aka WTC 2. At no time did any plane hit WTC 7, yet if collapsed in the late afternoon. Other planes were involved, one that hit the Pentagon and another slated for another target, crashed in a field in Pennsylvania. There is plenty of doubt over the other two incidents. We do know that the planes did not bring down the towers. The building stood after the impact, both of them heavily involved with fire where the planes hit. WTC 2 collapsed first at 9:59 after standing for 56 minutes after the plane struck. Then at 10:28, WTC 1 collapsed after standing 102 minutes after the initial impact. From here, we have an eruption of many stories. Among them are that the planes had no passengers and were remotely controlled like drones. Remote control has been around since Tesla invented the idea and demonstrated it successfully in 1893 (7) so the idea is far from new. Yet, we are told that passengers on board called emergency services to inform that terrorists had taken over the planes and what they intended to do. The only trouble is that the planes were at cruising altitude and there were no transponders then that could relay cell phone calls from 35,000 feet before the planes made their descent to their targets. Hundreds of other anomalies surfaced in the after math.

When the buildings started to come down, they did so at virtually free fall speed as if nothing were blocking the top floors above the strike zones. This means that a lot of steel tube supports had to be “kicked” out of the way in order to effect free fall and essentially a dustification of the concrete, most of which was reduced to talcum powder consistency and produced a man made equivalent to a pyroclastic flow. Every known toxin was also introduced into the atmosphere and water from the collapses and pyroclastic flow. Mercury from millions of fluorescent tubes was part of it. Cleaning chemicals, air conditioning, photocopier chemicals, burned plastic, asbestos, all were injected violently into the Manhattan ecosystem and beyond. First responders were told not to don personal protective equipment in order not to spook the locals. Many paid with deteriorating health and death later.

Below the strike zones, there were few fires , except for spot fires in WTC 7. Although it is argued that the fires in both strike zones caused steel failure at those floors that then led to the collapses, the collapses should have been diverted by the intact floors below with the result that debris would have been scattered outwardly and the fall slowed and or stopped where steel was still intact. That did not happen as both WTC 1 and 2 fell into their footprint and were totally obliterated. Then, the inexplicable happened. WTC 7 also collapsed and it only had spot fires. Nothing ever struck it except from some light debris from WTC 1 and 2. There have been steel cored buildings all around the world that have withstood plane strikes and fires and remained standing. This was to prove to be a first in building history, that is, the spontaneous collapse of WTC 7, a steel cored building in the absence of a plane strike and no earthquake. WTC 1 and 2 had stood after the strikes, but collapsed later.

Witnesses of all kinds surfaced in the following days and reported numerous explosions beyond the initial strikes. Some photographed what appears to be explosions coming out of the sides of WTC 1 and 2 and they began to collapse. Now we know that these photographs can be retouched with software such as Photoshop. But that does not account for WTC 7 that collapsed in classic demolition style. There is also a sufficient span of time where a lot of inventive mythologizing can be concocted to embellish the story. There is little doubt that a lot of post 9-11 analysis out there today is pure myth. This falls into the category of generating massive amounts of misinformation to generate confusion and to bury the truth. The inability to ferret out the truth in a mountain of lies leads most people back to the state backed and promoted scenario that it was terrorists from the Al Queada directed by Osama bin Laden that orchestrated the whole business of the day of infamy on 9-11-2001. As Osama was in hiding allegedly in Iraq protected and funded by Saddam Hussein, then Iraq had essentially declared war on the US and the US responded in kind in 2003 with blistering attacks on the whole country. The patsy had been named and a new war for resources and profit commenced. It turns out that bin Laden was in Pakistan on dialysis on the day before the attack on the WTC and nowhere near Iraq. In addition, he was allegedly killed in 2002, but somehow managed to come back to life to be re-killed in 2011. This mattered little as the destruction of the WTC complex was successfully accomplished to make way for a new development with more massive mortgage refinancing under the guise of disaster capitalism. A single new building has arisen out of the ashes of the scuttled WTC that is 1776 feet tall, a symbol of the Declaration of Independence with each foot representing a year of the declaration. What was also successful was the impetus for war and war is highly profitable. The wealthy and elite had a plan going all the way back to the early 1960s and they executed it shortly after the site was refinanced. WTC was scuttled! Thousands died in the process inside the doomed buildings and on the ground outside, but this did not matter when it comes to big redevelopment capital and profitable wars.

We now turn our attention to the thousands of buildings world wide from Hong Kong, to Dubia, to Australia, to China that are all steel core. Are these also rigged to be imploded when the mortgages are paid, they become worn out and subsequent white elephants? Will some pretext be used to justify the demolitions, hide the truth and promote some imperialist jingoist cause? With the way the world is going currently, with great powers vying and jostling for limited resources, the idea seems horrifically plausible. To eliminate suspicion along these lines, buildings will have to be inspected in order to ferret out the truth. But, doing such inspections are not so easily done in sites that are closed to independent, objective inspection. Further, there has been no interest on part of the people to do such a thing until perhaps now.

Within the closed loop of economic cycles within the capitalist world, there are booms and busts that cycle over a thirty year cycle. This is another one of those coincidences that seem to line up with other thirty year cycles.

References:

  1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center

  2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite

  3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermate

  4. http://lss.fnal.gov/archive/masters/fermilab-masters-2009-03.pdf

  5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krytron

  6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition

  7. http://www.tfcbooks.com/teslafaq/q&a_025.htm

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amillar 3 years ago from Scotland, UK

Given that the thermite or thermate was built in with the initial fabric of the buildings, is it not possible that the crashing aircraft detonated it? If so, it follows that the incident might well have been a terrorist attack, although part of the responsibility for the tragedy would still be with the architects. It's just a thought.

Keep up the good work.


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syzygyastro 3 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

I have thought about the same problem when the 11th floor fire broke out earlier and realized that the asbestos would have insulated it and thus preventing premature ignition. The plane is a different problem as the impact would certainly ignite some of the thermite, but that may have been limited to several and not all of the columns. In any event, what you say bears a lot of consideration, which is why I present the foregoing thesis as a hypothesis. There is now no absolute way to prove what had happened before the towers came down. Then there is WTC7 that was never struck and it still came down in classic demolition style. I'm not so clear as to whether of not WTC7 was a steel framed structure or if it was concrete and rebar which is the case for most buildings today.

To the point of terrorism, yes, in the end, no matter who is found to have brought them down with thousands of people still inside, is the terrorist pure and simple. It is an act of aggression and warfare. We just have to be certain with concrete proof who perpetrated this.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

" few people would take note of all the details of construction, especially if thermite or thermate lines were installed on the steel tube uprights."

Except for the people who delivered it, configured it, and installed it. And maintained it. Those people would notice.

"Given that most modern buildings have a limited life span, to pre-instal a demolition device makes sense. "

And that pre-installation would have been a part of the original design, easily verifiable on blueprints, materials manifests, and labor records.

BTW, as far as I can tell the shelf life of thermite is 10 years under good conditions. The material would not have maintained potency from installation in 1969 to detonation in 2001.


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syzygyastro 3 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

There are ways to extend the shelf life of almost anything. The primary problem is oxidation of the elements. If you can prevent that, then there is a much greater shelf life. Many elements of modern buildings are prefabricated before reaching the construction site. But, as you say, someone would know and this is what needs to be ferreted out.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

The WTC towers were not modern buildings, so that's irrelevant. Thermite charges could not have been prefab'd onto structural columns without pretty much everyone noticing.

Even if that were possible, someone would still have had to wire the network of charges onsite, connecting all the charges to a control center. That would also have been noticed by pretty much everyone on the job site.

This is certainly an interesting academic exercise, but completely impractical in the real world.


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syzygyastro 3 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

How is it then that some 4970 steel tube columns were placed with thermite and wired before the detonation? To do this would be a mammoth task taking several months and someone ought to have noticed suspicious activity. It turns out that there are those who witness that strange things were going on prior to the pull. A building only 31 years old for the oldest one would likely be considered recent if not modern. I still say that it would be easier to build something in at the point of construction than to retrofit later. I was a personal witness of retrofit asbestos removal on a number of occasion and I can tell you that this takes several months with a lot of strict controls.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"How is it then that some 4970 steel tube columns were placed with thermite and wired before the detonation?"

Because they weren't.

Find us the manifests for the materials. Find someone who delivered it. Find the crew that did the work. Locate the design of the demolition plan. Find anyone who saw thermite in the building.


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syzygyastro 3 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

The phrase "How is it then that some 4970 steel tube columns were placed with thermite and wired before the detonation?" was rhetorical to suggest that wiring after the fact takes a huge amount of work that would be impossible to hide. As for manifests, these might well be classified documents that will only come out when most people become focused enough to ask their government tough questions and make tougher demands.

All I am saying is that in order to rig a false flag, it takes planning. WTC 7 was never hit by anything but came down in classic demolition style. As for finding the crew that built the WTC and materials manifests or post construction installations, I will do just that and post the results. I will be in touch with the people who have spent hundreds of man years in research to investigate the whole situation. I'm sure there are a few witnesses lurking around, some of whom have spoken. Many people were silenced with buy offs, threats and disappearances. That much has been established by 911 Truth Society. Results will be posted whether positive or negative. For your part, you may well consider what the people of 911 Truth have to say about such matters. Granted, a lot of myth has grown up around the incident, but the real truth is out there somewhere buried in all the misinformation. I say again, what I presented is a hypothesis only and will remain so until proved or disproved.

This is one of these situations, just like JFK that is not closed yet.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Many people were silenced with buy offs, threats and disappearances."

You can't toss out such statements without providing supporting evidence. Who was bought-off, who was threatened, who disappeared?

More specifically, who was *directly involved* and also bought-off, threatened, or spirited away? I don't care about "911 Truth Society" members that might claim to have been annoyed by shadowy figures in parking garages.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Please direct me to the point in the first reference where someone directly involved was bought off, threatened, or made to disappear. I didn't find anything.

The second reference, Wikipedia, is not authoritative so I didn't even look at it.

The third reference I did read: it has nothing to do with 9-11 except the author chose to use that date as a baseline for some unrelated incidents that had nothing to do with the original event. A lot of weird things happened since 9-11-01 and even more weird things happened since 9-11-00, 9-11-99, etc. Weird stuff happens all the time that cannot be statistically modeled.

The fourth reference, which I read until I threw up in my mouth a little, assumes from the second paragraph that 9-11 was an 'inside job.' That's hardly an even-handed approach to any scientific investigation.


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syzygyastro 3 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

How do you suppose the thermite got onto the upright steel box columns at any time? Most buildings of this type have security where you have to sign in and post where you are going as well as a sign out time. Many require in addition, the use of special access cards and fobs to get from floor to floor during weekends and closed hours. Sad to hear you got sick from the "Inside Job" referenced article. Wikipedia usually has lots of references at the end of their pages and some of these are authoritative. It's true we have to look at both sides, but I still say that security should have noticed anything out of the ordinary and this should have been logged. Unfortunately, if there were no duplicates of written or electronic security records, the originals that parished in the collapse and fires would have erased all trace. All authorized personal would have access cards or fobs and every swipe would be recorded on an onsite computer at all times when secured access was in force. Please carefully consider the points made before dismissing my efforts with the back of you hand without checking sub references and other points of view. I am very busy these days. In due time, when I find suitable material, it will be attached above. There are already two attached links.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"How do you suppose the thermite got onto the upright steel box columns at any time?"

I suppose there was no Thermite. The upright steel box columns were not wired with Thermite.

"Sad to hear you got sick from the "Inside Job" referenced article. "

It was just my common sense kicking in. No problem.

"Wikipedia usually has lots of references at the end of their pages and some of these are authoritative"

Absolutely. However, when you cite Wikipedia, you are wasting our time.

"Unfortunately, if there were no duplicates of written or electronic security records, the originals that parished in the collapse and fires would have erased all trace. "

There was nothing to be erased. The building was not rigged to collapse.

"In due time, when I find suitable material, it will be attached above. There are already two attached links."

Probably not. It's been over 10 years and no one has found anything.

You still have not produced one person who was *directly involved* and also bought-off, threatened, or spirited away. That would be really good, to do that.


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syzygyastro 3 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

Granted that in the years post 9-11 some astonishing myths have arisen, most of which are patently false and obviously so. This is the building mountain of misinformation that is burying the truth. We have to get to the older information. Most of what is available is recent. I'm still working on the missing persons issue. That seems to have been buried rather deeply. More for your consideration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0Ms7mId34


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syzygyastro 3 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

Here is a link to veterans who "disappeared" shortly after 9-11 after making comments that were not accepted.

http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/201...


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

... I watched the video... a bunch of people said they heard explosions.

So what?

1. None of these people had ever heard a controlled demolition. They just heard noises.

2. If a tower or two or three is coming down on your head, you'd probably be a little disoriented.

3. Thermite doesn't explode, it burns.

4. Thousands of tons of building collapsing on itself is going to cause any number of auditory events as windows explode, steel snaps, cables break, transformers self-destruct, etc., etc.

Find the people who designed the controlled demolition, who planted the charges, who wired the charges, who set off the charges.


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syzygyastro 3 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

WTC was never hit by a plane, but it collapsed anyway. What gives with that? Anyway, I have to move on. Most of the people who contributed to the collapse have long since gone on with their lives, leaving the events behind them. Finding them now would be almost impossible half a world away. As I find stuff, I will post here


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syzygyastro 3 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

More grist for the mill.

1. How to demolish a skyscraper of twenty storys of more.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/struc...

2. Floor plans for the WTC.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/blueprint...

3. A selection of detailed blueprints including WTC 7

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/plans/fra...


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Most of the people who contributed to the collapse have long since gone on with their lives, leaving the events behind them."

Oh good grief.


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syzygyastro 3 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

A detailed analysis of termite and explosive residue on and near the site.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explos...


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Note the 'credentials' of three of the authors of that paper:

9/11 Working Group of Bloomington, Bloomington, IN 47401, USA

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Berkeley, CA 94704, USA

International Center for 9/11 Studies, Dallas, TX 75231, USA

I read it. It proves nothing.


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syzygyastro 3 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

And so then, I presume you expect me to violate causality, go back in time, go to the towers just before the collapse and record everything and then bring it back here. Would that be sufficient proof? I suspect that you would even find that insufficient. We are post 9-11 by more than 11 years and a lot of the evidence trails have gotten cold by now. In addition, as mentioned, a lot of myth has arisen to compound the difficulty in ferreting out the facts and truth.

So, then, seeing as you are such an expert on the subject, I recommend that you write on the subject, post it here or as a separate contribution to hubpages with your own account, with all your proofs and references so that I can learn the truth from the experts. I look forward to reading and analyzing your dissertation.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

My analysis has been provided here. Thank you for the opportunity to be heard. I do respect your willingness to address both sides of the issue.


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syzygyastro 3 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

I would still like you to write something on 9-11. Meanwhile I will wait in expectation of something good.


Max 3 years ago

look up infowars . com


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syzygyastro 3 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

I am aware of infowars and refer to the site periodically.


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Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago

Syzygyastro, I found this interesting. voted that way.


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syzygyastro 21 months ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

There was a towering inferno in Dubia where the whole tower was engulfed in flames.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeas...

Yet, after the fire burned out, the tower still stands.

http://gulfbusiness.com/2012/11/tamweel-fire-at-jl...


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nicomp 21 months ago from Ohio, USA

This is a meaning of the words "whole tower" and "engulfed" that I am not familiar with: 15 floors out of 79.


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syzygyastro 21 months ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

Whole tower means from the ground to the top and engulfed means total involvement by the fire. The pics tell all.


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nicomp 21 months ago from Ohio, USA

The pic shows at most 7 floors 'engulfed.' It only shows those 7 floors.


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syzygyastro 21 months ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

Google it and scan the photo files. There are plenty showing more than seven floors in flame.


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nicomp 21 months ago from Ohio, USA

I did Google it and you're still wrong.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Fire+rips+thro...


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syzygyastro 21 months ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

The whole point of the comparison is to show that this building did not collapse, whereas WTC 7 did with are less fire, which you chose to ignore in preference to slap me down on whatever shortcoming you can invent. You have evaded the whole issue, choosing to belittle me instead. I know who you are! Buzz off! I also know why it is impossible to have a descent world and a peaceful life.


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nicomp 21 months ago from Ohio, USA

Dude, words mean things. If you want anyone to take you seriously refrain from hyperbole. The Dubai building was not engulfed in flames. Your point is specious, your reputation as a conspiracy theorist persists.

Live with it.


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syzygyastro 21 months ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

Like it or not, you are part of one long running conspiracy fact!


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nicomp 21 months ago from Ohio, USA

I like it. Common sense rules.

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