What is wrong with Colective Christianity?

The Devine becomes Flesh!

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What other religon is there were God has become flesh?
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Lately I have been blasted for a hub I wrote about the differences between Christianity and Buddhism. One man was quite irate because I was not embracing religious tolerance. He miss quoted one scripture after another to try to prove his point that God would accept you no matter of what you believed. However, the scriptures tell a different story. Time and time again, both the old and new testaments speak of accountability. For the ways of the world are not the ways of God. Yes God loves us in spite of ourselves and yet, he loves us enough to give us the ability to change though His power and His power alone!

These are dangerous times for the Christian church, for more and more denominations are becoming guilty of compromising too much! Discernment seems to be a lost art, for observing what is false doctrine is different than condemning someone for sins we ourselves might be guilty of. We are told to be “Wise as serpents but as gentle as doves.” This by the way, is a statement that always bothered me for “wise” is not a trait I would link to a snake! They have great instincts and may even be considered cunning, but wise is a whole other attribute.

The reason that I chose to nit-pick on this for a moment is that I believe it is important to comprehend what this verse is conveying. For when you observe most snakes you will find that they are gifted in seeking and capturing prey and defending themselves but most snakes do not hunt for trouble! For as a kid growing up out in the western United Sates, I spent a lot of time hunting both poisonous and nonpoisonous snakes. What I discovered is that a snake would rather escape than fight. A snake is very diligent; he watches for the shadow of the hawk and can detect the vibration of roadrunner as it comes in for the kill. It survival depends on it.

In the same way Christians must remain diligent to the attacks of our enemy, the devil. I think Jesus is telling us to be cunning and peaceful at the same time! To know how and when to move away from danger and when to strike! For we cannot forget we are in a spiritual war! When I was a Buddhist I belong to sect that went though a major division between the priest and the laymen, because the priest felt that the main principles of their beliefs were being polluted by outside influences. This division is what took me away from practicing Buddhism, for I agreed with the priest! The laymen had become too “collective” in their approach to the teachings that had been passed down though the centuries.

This collective mind-set, by the way, was the attitude of both the Roman and Greek empires; because they were constantly taking this concept or that concept from other philosophies and adding them to their own. You see, “when you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything!” Jesus made it cleat that the “Kingdom of God” was something that was not easily entered with out a total transformation brought on by the baptism of water and of the Holy Spirit. My return to what some may view, as “fundamental Christianity” was something that did not happen until I explored a lot of other avenues. Though God’s grace I finally came to realize that false doctrine is as prevalent as the sand on the seashore!

My testimony is to proclaim that “spiritual goulash” is not the way! I been there done that I and got the tee shirt! I know I am outspoken about the things I feel are true, for if you have become convinced about the reality of something shouldn’t you fight for it? I see a lot of people blast away with both barrels at Christians in hubs and in the forms and yet, if Christians fire back on something that they have come to see as false, from personal the experience or from the very nature of the doctrine they are persecuted relentlessly.

The whole Idea of “Christ Conciseness” to me nothing but blasphemy! Jesus says He is the truth the way and the light and the only way to the Father. Nothing else cuts it; nothing else can save us from damnation! Further more, when the scriptures speak of human righteous being like “filthy rags” it is not claiming that humans themselves being created by God are filthy, for He created us in His image. What makes us filthy is when we have the arrogance to think we can be spiritually advanced without the aid of God’s Holy Spirit living within us!

It seems strange to me that a sect of Buddhism can desire to stay separate from out side influences and people have no problem with that. However, if a Christian is committed to staying “on the straight and narrow path” we are considered being prejudiced against other religions! I have come to believe that we will be judged for our actions when we come before the Father. Since He knows our hearts he will judge us fairly and yet, we will be judged.

So for me, I must strive to live in accordance to what I have come to believe is true so I can face my judgment with a clean consciousness, is there any other way to live?



At one point I worshiped "The Dragon" now with the help of the Holy Spirit I fight it!

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Born American 5 years ago

Dear Highvoltagewriter, I really appreciate what you have written here! Being a high voltage lover of Jesus Christ, born again and Spirit filled since 1981...I like how you wrote that our filthiness is when we think we can be spiritually advanced without the aide of the Holy Spirit. Well said and right on brother! Keep writing and shining your Light...and I will too


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Thank you so much for droping in Born American! It is great to get the fed back!


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

HVW,

I dig your whole message it is a good Christian message- But in honesty to you and me-I fall into a different "school of thought". I believe God is an understanding , Kind and smart fella...no disrespect calling him a fella- but he is smart - thats for sure The uy invented evolution just to mess with our concepts of time-

I believe there is only 1 God- BUT he has many names and has had many prophets throughout history- I rarely quote religeous text as the "Word of god" I believe that once man touches it or rewrites it translates it or views it it is forever changed- for instance take this simple sentance

"the dog ran to the tree" we both know what a dog is and what a tree is- but I am sure you and i had a different "mind picture of the dog and the tree- i was thinking about a rust colored irish setter running toward a 75 foot maple tree- 3.5 feet around pruned up to 12 feet- I am sure you were not picturing the same thing-

that was my illustration of how the same people can view the same simple sentance and take away a different picture- and that was a concrete example- again i would like to think that god isnt going to smoke 2 billion buddists or differentiate the multiple denomenations of christianity just because they dont have it 110% correct-

so what if muslims call god allah- where they went wrong is the fervency of "spreading the muslim religeon"

As my old Ss teacher said "BEWARE of ZEALOTS".

TH


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Naomi's Banner 5 years ago from United States

I thank God that you have made the decision to believe in Jesus and become a follower. You will never regret that decision as I am sure you know. I apreciate reading this Hub!


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin

Excellent hub! I really like the video at the end too, I am going to check out that website, this guy knows what he is talking about.

Organized religion is the path to hell in many instances. For example, the worship of the Virgin Mary, it is just wrong, and against what the Bible really teaches. when you say that rosary, who are you really praying to? I think it could have a lot to do with early pagan goddess cults.

When it comes to religion, I never want to upset anyone either, I really admire your guts, you are an awesome witness. You know you are hitting a nerve when people get upset. Christianity, ( even with all its flaws, and there are many) is still Satan's biggest nightmare. I rarely see other religions getting attacked the way Christianity is attacked. The devil will do all he can to turn it into a confusing mess, thats why it is so important to read your Bible so that you do not have to rely on some priest or minister or TV preacher to know the word of God. We are so lucky that we live in a time when we can freely seek the word of God on our own, but many people are passive Christians and are too lazy to read the Bible on their own. I know thats the way I was too for most of my life until I came upon a fundamental Christian website about 5 years ago, it made total sense to me, and it was so honest and logical and easy to understand too, God wants it that way, he wants it to be in black and white. This is all about where you will spend the rest of forever, God does not want us to be confused about his laws, but thats exactly want many organized religions do. Can you see Satan working here? I can.

As for this Christ conscienceness, that is all a bunch of new age bull crap, and people should be wary of it.

Jesus said that no one comes to the Father except through him! What could be more simple?

You made it to 100!! Yippy!!!!


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

yep 100! And with two bucks I can get a cup of coffee!(Even though now I am just 97)!


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

Hvp,

good luck getting to the century mark-

I was at 93 for a day-

I piss to many people off and the come and run down my hubbs but I dont care...but Kidos to you keep up the good writin...

TH


Lone Ranger 5 years ago

As a side-note, I recently read a poll which stated that Mormons know the Bible better than Athiests. Athiests know the Bible better than Christians. And Christians know the Bible than Roman Catholics.

I also read a study that concluded that Christianity within America will be dead in 30 years. Perhaps the aforementioned study is the reason why. Too many "Christians" just go to church on Saturdays or Sundays, but don't delve any deeper into The Faith and thus suffer from the lack of knowledge. In most cases, life may be just a little too comfortable and a little too good, hence they forget to acknowledge The Lord and perhaps are a little too busy enjoying themselves to follow Him earnestly.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin

Hi There Lone Ranger! I have to admit, that I was shocked over the way the atheists attacked me over my Darwinism hub. They even said they threw their Bibles in the garbage! I thought to myself, where do these people come from and how did they get that way?

I believe that America is the number one country in the world because of our faith in God, but that is obviously changing. America has become a cesspool where anything goes, even gay marriage. All the problems we have now are because we have turned away from God and basically worship the beast, wheather we know we are doing it or not.


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

HPW-Magz,

Take heart - when they diethey will see how wrong they were- when they meet him or they will "find God inthe 11th hour"... bravery and self assurance often dissappears when the danger level elevates....

TH


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Yea Tom, I have now been at 100 three times now ands yet I do not how I got there or what it even means...it looks cool though!


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

HVW,

I hit 92 once-once

yep dont know how either...

TH


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon

HV, nice HUB. I've been on a spiritual journey my whole life, asking questions, seeking answers, answering answers, questioning questions. I appreciate this HUB. Have you read my hub "Who's Going to Hell and For How Long"? I wouldn't mind cross linking with this, but read it and let me know what you think!


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Man that hub of yours is great and really got me thinking! I have a good Hindu friend that I have debated this subject about hell over and over again. The facts are that the word "hell" actually came from the word "death" and it real speaks of a eternal separation form God.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon

Have you read Rob bell's Love Wins? While he definitively has a bias, he still asks and raises some good questions. it's a good read and, in typical Rob bell style, quick and easy. I'll be cross linking this now!


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

No I have not read that one PDX,I will have to to check that out!


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angel115707 4 years ago from Galveston, TX

This is a really good hub and you are right in many ways. At this point it seems Christianity is the most intolerable faith in the American public, that is if you actually speak out... the sheer hatred is almost a shame, how people can't see their own relentless hatred, we are the scapegoats for all wrong, yet we are the ones feeding people dieing of AIDS in Africa, schooling kids in Gaza, restoring the lives of children sold into sex slavery all over the world, even here.... sad...but this is nothing shocking Jesus warned us of this especially at the end....the hearts of men will grow cold, and the spiritual will become more spiritual and the fleshly more fleshly...so true!


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Thank you so much for dropping by angel115707! I have just come from your own collection of hubs and I must say you have some that are quite powerful and controversial! Keep up the good word and may God bless you!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon

the world's three most popular religions, Christianity, Islam and Judaism are also the one's most responsible for caring for the world's poor as well as for advancements in art and science. They're also responsible for the most wars around the world. It's a sad truth that religion is divisive.


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

HVW:

My friend, you did it again! Great article.

Indeed, "If you don't stand for something, you fall for anything"!!! You are so right. The problem with Christianity today is that we have allowed too many concessions and made too many compromises.

Many churches are overly focussed on church enrollment. It is true that church enrollment is important because of the souls involved, but it seems most churches are more concerned about the money associated with increased church enrollment or the decrease in donations from the lack thereof. The "word faith movement" and other prosperity preachers have found out that the more concessions and compromises that are made, the more apt people are to attend and the more filthy lucre they can expect to collect from them.

Just look at the slanty-eyed, forked-tongued, prosperity preaching Joel Osteen. This little charlatan has 40,000 people in his big Texas church, but he refuses to speak out against abortion, homosexuality, or greed, etc. He says his doors are open to everyone and the worst thing that can happen is that someone leaves his church feeling bad about themselves.

At the end of the day, I think many churches have traded in the truth in order to receive treasure. Too many preachers have become wolves in sheep's clothing who are more interested in tickling the ears of the masses in order to obtain material wealth and popularity.

Quite frankly, I am sick of it. I am so tired of those who incessantly bang on the "faithful" and I am tired of those who misuse the Word of God for their own personal gain. My remedy is simple: Be bold and courageous, for fear is of the Devil.

Since I have such a low tolerance for balderdash and such a high regard for truth, I often deliver a straight right hand to the jaw of the offender, followed by a left upper-cut to the mid-section...spiritually speaking. I no longer mince words and I do not beat around the bush...I go straight for the throat and do not pull my punches, all-the-while retaining my gentlemanly and charming nature, of course! :0)

* If you want to see what I am talking about please feel free to visit "Earnestshub" and read his rant about the God of the Bible being a psychopath and our subsequent exchange. Please understand that it is people like Earnest, that bring out the worst in me and I believe they bring out the worst in the world as well. The Bible speaks about being as gentle as a dove and as clever as a serpent, but I think there are times when fire needs to be met with fire. This was one of those times...I am sorry to say.

One of the things that I think is wrong with the church today is that Christians are too afraid to say something that others may find offensive. But, let me say this right now: I would rather take the chance at offending someone in this life with the truth, than to offend them with eternal hellfire and brimstone in the next life to come as a result of my silence.

Peace be with you, my friend, and may God grant you His peace, provisions and protection and thank you for all the fine work you do. I can tell it really is a labor of love! - L.R.


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

LR! I was wondering when you would show up again! You are like the wind...here one moment and then you are gone! The last I heard you were playing with the idea of going HP. Is that still in the works?


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

HVW:

Yes. I have already made a list of 100 topics I would like to tackle with more on the way. I may have it up and going before year's end. By the way, if Hub Pages does not allow me to continue using my moniker "Lone Ranger" (because it's already in use), do you have any suggestions on what I should change my name to? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Peace be with you. - L.R.


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Hay LR, Try Lone Ranger and then if that does not work why not try something like The Truth Ranger or something else like that.Something that defines who you are! BTW you are not the first person that has used a "handle" on the "outside" and then joined HP and used the same handle. Wow, you really have a list of a hundred titles? I have never thought that far ahead for a lot of my hubs are created by comments made in comment section!

I try to focus on things that I feel that the the Holy Spirit wants me to write about, or subjects that promote other projects I am working on like the Book I am writing.

One more thing, when you do join, hit the ground running for you want to take advantage of the weekly HubNugget contest for Newbies. Placing well (or winning) that contest will give a leg-up in building a fan base. I tell you this, for when I first joined, I dragged my heels for a week or two before I started publishing.

I hope this helps!

HVW


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tom hellert 4 years ago from home

RANGER-

Pick a name Ranger and your first name....Ranger Jack Ranger Leon... i ran out of ideas nd used my name....very original-

as for writing - I have to say I just start with whtever ticks me off or what I wnt to write bout - my first couple ubbs were eaasy- since its the story of my death..

beyond that who knows

TH

good luck....


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

Thanks, HVW, I'll keep that in mind and when the time draws near, I'll probably need to solicit more of your advice. Thanks again and Best wishes - L.R.


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angel115707 4 years ago from Galveston, TX

eek...maybe I should not come back and read the extra comments, its amazing how people comment on what they know not about.... the last war real Christians fought in the name of Christ, for Christ was the crusades, and please don't name Hitler or anyone, we all know he was into ocultism etc... many Christians have fought, there is a time for peace and war..but not For Christianity itself, though nut jobs from Hitler to Osama hide behind "Religion" and if Jews and Muslims are so giving, lets see some real examples of them rescuing Christians in refugee camps in Africa and elsewhere... I really have not seen them ever go out of their way to save people outside of their own faith....

then the other comment about Joel Osteen, people usually just choose to hate him because smiling faces offend the miserly...he does stand up to homosexuality and abortion etc... that is why the gay community is constantly attacking him, because he refuses to say its ok...but I guess if you only see a 1/2 hour show you do not know a thing about LakeWood Church, he is not after the saved know it alls, he is after the hurting and sick who never see a smile at work or hear a positive word from abusive parents etc... and if you go to Lakewood you know he is not the church! The church is made up of alot of hard working people who saved the majority of Katrina victims!!! if you want to hear a heavy message against abortion, homosexuality etc that is what the intsense bible studies on Wednessday is for, Sunday is for honoring God and worship, beofre you choose to accuse and hate just like the grand accuser Satan, do your homework, why don't you come down here to Houston on a Wednessday night, my mother attended for years before she moved, and its not all peaches and cream like you would love to think....swew!!! I really hope more Christians ecucate themselves before they blow steam, remember others look at us andd judge us all by a few opinions they hear you say.... sorry to let it all out, but ummm...well its all true!


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA. Author

Personally I do not know anything about Joel Osteen so I can not comment either way....I am also learning that we must be careful to understand the full story before we judge anyone. I myself have ran into problems ridiculing people without understanding everything about them. However, I try not to censer my comment section to much for it is important to hear both sides!


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angel115707 4 years ago from Galveston, TX

I agree 100%, and if anyone gets angrivated with me, I'm open to listen, I believe expression is healing, but repression is destructive, so I am not trying to shut up anyone, as if I could...lol... I suppose I should not have replied after someone commented on my comment lol...it could go on forever.....and ever....


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

Angel:

I am sorry if you allowed yourself to be offended by my insightful and truthful comments about Joel Osteen. Please know that I have not conjured any of the things I hold against this man out of thin air.

Truth be known, I have used his own words against those of the Bible and from this side-by-side comparison, came to the conclusion that this man is a wolf in sheep's clothing and promotes and sells nothing other than cotton-candy theology.

At the end of the day, this man is a prosperity preacher who has said God wants everyone to own their own home and get that next promotion, etc., etc. He is all about money and serves the god of Mammon-Ra...the Egyptian god of prosperity and wealth.

I saw Joel's entire interview with Larry King and he was so embarrassing as a Christian witness that he had to publically apologize to the people of his massive congregation for his apostate representation. The wimp came across as no better off than your run-of-the-mill heathen. In my opinion, this man has no spine and has no honor and he is of the same mold as Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker and Robert Tilton.

I also read his 2004 book, "Live Your Best Life Now" and it was 100% rubbish. The Lord told people to give what they had to the poor and come follow him, not go out and get yourself a house, promotions, money, fine clothes, facncy cars, etc. I am sorry you have been taken in by the slanty-eyed, home-town, smiling preacher of prosperity.

I believe Jesus would have thrown him and his book out of the temple along with all the other garbage. And, I can tell you for certain that Peter and Paul and all the disciples would have called him a heretic and would have turned their backs on him.

But, what would you expect from a guy who went to Oral Roberts University for two years majoring in television production and marketing? It's all about telling people what they want to hear at the expense of truth, and you, my dear, have been suckered-in like all the rest who love their ears to be tickled and are taken in by a man dressed in an expensive suit and wearing a big smile. Like Joseph Smith, Joel Osteen uses the name of Jesus Christ to attain popularity, power, control and to rake in the green-backs.

Please forgive me for my brutal honesty, Angel, but I have no patience for men and women of this nature, especially when they are leading people astray like the Pied Piper. But, instead of using a flute, they invoke the name of Christ to achieve the desired effect. Peace be with you - L.R.


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon

Joel Osteen is a crock, just like Pat Robertson The Prosperity Gospel is a false gospel and his sermons are for spiritual infants, who can't EVEN drink milk. He's a fraud and a travesty and, as a Christian, I am ashamed to have him on "my team"

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