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M. T. Dremer says
Evolution, as I understand it, is based on observed science, extrapolated back into history. Mathematically, the farther you get away from the known, your variables go up exponentially. If that is true, then evolution does take faith.
Except the variables can be estimated based on patterns and comparative data. Theorizing based on scientific conclusions is different than faith.
When we can't observe "The Beginning" of anything we are left with faith for a starting point, regardless of the theory, because if " The Beginning" is wrong then each progressive step can also be wrong. The variables leave us with faith in something
Science isn't claiming to know 'the beginning'. Evidence for the big bang and evolution only suggest that they happened, not that they started it all. Religion is the only thing that claims to have all the answers.
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Cato the Younger says
Cato, a very balanced approach to my question. Your right, that all are looking for evidence to prove their individual view. If all of the scientists approached our universe with open minds to spiritual and the natural, think about the possibilities.
Spiritual? Show us the proof. Oh wait - there is none and "science" relies on that. No wonder your religion causes so many wars.
Man has always had a spiritual side, that is why there are more religious people than atheists. What I am talking about is being more open-minded. both sides if they don't find answers to benefit their theories toss out data that could be useful.
So - no proof then? No wonder your religion causes so many wars.
Accepting, embracing & nurturing our "Spirituality," is VASTLY different than espousing to an organized religion (of HUNDREDS) being forced via threat/ shame to adhere to ignorant rules & being fleeced of $$ to support a "Church".=complete HO
Simplistically, Darwin started his theory from an idea. Then science went about looking for things to prove it, because until 1900's Creation was accepted by the majority. It is possible to make facts say anything you want, regardless of the theory.
Real scientists were actually rare in the 1900's. Few people believed that even bacteria existed. It's always harder to fight against people's faith, because they refuse to accept any other possibilities. There are no facts saying Creation is true.
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Bill Akers says
I was wondering that myself. Initially I thought you erased it, but then you don't strike me as one who would. Since you're asking, obviously you didn't. Maybe someone else flagged me. Someone who doesn't like that I'm always right probably (joke).
Junkseller, I figured out what happened. Instead of deleting my answer, it deleted the whole answer. I am sorry about this mistake.
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Raymond Philippe says
It doesn't require faith in a deity, but with all the unknowns still out there to discover, doesn't it take faith to believe in present day science?
Righteous Atheist says
Actually, I think all things take faith, it just isn't thought about anymore. We get out of bed each day because of faith. When we lose faith, we stay in bed depressed, I've been there. We believe our car will start, we put faith in a lot of things.
Interesting. SO believing your car will start because it always does is that same as believing garbage?
One man's garbage is another man's treasure. The car starting is an easy example, if we didn't have faith it would start, we would leave earlier, just in case it didn't start. Faith that they will find answers is a driving force in science.
I gave you my reasoning - evidence. You reject this and call it "faith" instead. You think there is no evidence?
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Cucu M Green says
If God is big enough to create absolutely everything in six days, wouldn'tHe be big enough to create it to test and look older than it is. The Bible says God did it in six days, so it would not be God deceiving man, but man deceiving man. Possible?
Yes, possible, assuming he exists, but that's a rather week argument. I could, for example, tell you that at the end of the universe a multicolored rainbow hangs in mid-air and you would have no way of disproving it. Does that meen that I'm right? No
You say you believe in Evolution, believing and faith are inter-related, it is hard to have one without the other. Our faith in something, be it, Evolution or Creation causes us to believe. Without faith there will never be enough proof.
You say the laws with which we check age tell us only what God wants us to see, then I say that we are only dust imagining to be alive. Some things have to be given to solve a problem. Faith doesnt create proof, science does and that's questioning.
So, you are saying that scientists and the people that follow them have no faith in what they are saying. Faith is part of believing in something. What reasoning led you to have faith in evolution. In Philosophy reason, faith, and belief are related.
God made it look older that 6 days as a test? This is the difference between believing on faith and believing because there is evidence. We have evidence for evolution and it is well proven. No faith required. Sorry. Your faith is irrational.
I find your statement interesting, first because not every scientist believes in evolution. In fact, there are over 200 scientists with Doctorates that believe in creation, plus all those with lesser degrees. So I would question evolution as fact.
Wow - 200 don't believe it and the remaining 2,000,000 do? As we all seem to agree - you are not asking the question for an answer. No wonder this religion causes so many conflicts.
I am actually asking for an answer with reasons. As you have stated in previous Q&A's majority is not always right. Every scientist doesn't believe in evolution. I'm trying to find out your reasoning.
Evidence. Lots and lots of evidence.
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