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brainwashing

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    sandra rinckposted 8 years ago

    Obviously there is this movement that if you believe in God, any kind of God, you have been brainwashed. 

    Fine, this maybe so but I gotta say; brainwashing goes both ways. 

    What are you washing the brainwashed with?  More brainwashing. More and more of the same, there is no end to people saying, you have been tricked, you have been decieved, what is a proper education, you have no real education, there is no God, there is a God, God says you have to do this, God says you do not have to do this.  Science says this is right, someone else says this is wrong.

    Today, as I am feeling a bit saucy, I can't believe anyone.  Everyone it seems, says my way is right, or his way is right, or this is the truth or history has been changed, or they want to kill you or you are the devil or that is not God or this is the true God.

    Good grief!  Then another will say, chose your own way, then another says yes, chose your own way but if you believe this...then you are being brainwashed and you have to snap out of that, then another comes along and says...well so and so said this...it is relentless.

    Who is right?  Who could be right?  Why is it always the majority sets the standard for what is right, making it the others who are wrong? 

    I think the world has gone crazy all together.  There is no right or wrong.  The more we move along in life, the more apperant it is that you can't trust anyone.  Sometimes "reality" gets so sureal that I am not even sure if we even exists.

    1. BDazzler profile image83
      BDazzlerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Here's the thing Sandy, you can be sure about  ... Brainwahsed people do not have dirty minds wink

      p.s. I'm fairly certain I exist - I think therefore I am ... at least I think I think hmm

      1. countrywomen profile image61
        countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        That is so true. There is no brain left anymore that gets dirty to be washed. wink

    2. Sufidreamer profile image82
      Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry Sandra, but you are completely wrong about absolutely everything. Send me a cheque for $50 and I will tell you the right way to think. wink

      1. countrywomen profile image61
        countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know about you Sandra but I ain't paying $50 dollars to get brainwashed (now wait a minute do I have a brain to begin with) tongue

        1. Sufidreamer profile image82
          Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Don't know - I dispensed with mine a long time ago, as it caused too many problems. Now, I let my cat make all of the big decisions and he does a fine job. smile He charges $50 per hour and all the fish he can eat!

          1. countrywomen profile image61
            countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            So now who do I talk to negotiate this deal you or your cat? wink

            1. Sufidreamer profile image82
              Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              The Cat, of course. Sadly, you cannot speak Greek Cat, so I will have to translate. An extra $50 and a crate of whisky (for Holy Anointing purposes) will do.

              http://z.hubpages.com/u/761023_f260.jpg

              All Hail the Mighty Suleyman

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                sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                lol, yes I think I will have to trust you cat!  Though we are going to have to duke it out for the 50$, if he wants my check then kitty is really going to have to persuade me with kitty licks and purrfect love.  smile

                1. Sufidreamer profile image82
                  Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  He is a complete tart, so no problem on that score. wink

      2. BDazzler profile image83
        BDazzlerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        HA - Don't listen to him ... his advice is only worth $50 send me a check for $50,000 and not only will I tell you the right way to think, I'll think for you!

        1. countrywomen profile image61
          countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Ok then cheque is in the mail(by the way signed by Bernard Madoff ) wink

          1. BDazzler profile image83
            BDazzlerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            big_smilebig_smilebig_smile

    3. TheMoneyGuy profile image76
      TheMoneyGuyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I believe you have just about captured it.  All this intrigue is what gets me up in the morning, wondering what the trend of the day will be.

      I don't let it stress me out though, as human on the top of the food chain I know I can eat anything that stresses me out to much.  I find thinking about digesting the source of my problems really liberates my soul.

      :-)

  2. Lady Guinevere profile image62
    Lady Guinevereposted 8 years ago

    It's worth more than that!  They also tellyou that they will teach yu how to read their holy books, because apparently you don't know how to read.  What do they teach in school then?!

  3. Lady Guinevere profile image62
    Lady Guinevereposted 8 years ago

    Loving the Cat thing here!  Keep it going!

    1. Sufidreamer profile image82
      Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      .....and so a new cult begins. wink

      Send money NOW!

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        sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        lol, sound Egyptian to me--ow! lol.  wink

        1. Sufidreamer profile image82
          Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Damn - I forgot that one had been done sad

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            sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah, the dog thing too.  What else can we trust. lol.  same with birds...oh I know, what about dolphins, has that been done yet?

            1. countrywomen profile image61
              countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Haven't you heard of the HitchHiker's Guide to the galaxy. It is above human intelligence and worth considering wink

              1. Lady Guinevere profile image62
                Lady Guinevereposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                I saw that movie!!!

              2. Sufidreamer profile image82
                Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                My neighbour has a mule. I shall throw myself at its feet and seek divine wisdom.

                You can all worship my Neighbour's Ass.

                Ba...Bum.

                I'll get my coat sad

                1. Lady Guinevere profile image62
                  Lady Guinevereposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  RFLMAO!!!!

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                  sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  ROTFLMAO!!!!  that was more purrfect a joke than any jackass could have made.

                  Now, I will also throw myself at the feet of the devine ass and seek wisdome.  I will go grab my sunglasses.  smile

                  1. Sufidreamer profile image82
                    Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    I think I have been reading too many of mistyhorizon's Hubs. wink

        2. Lady Guinevere profile image62
          Lady Guinevereposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          ooo and Egytian life was persecuted by the very person they saved from oblivian--Moses!  No thanks for him being in the preisthood!  Send in the Cats for they were idolized by the culture!  I love cats, so more power to them!!

  4. Lady Guinevere profile image62
    Lady Guinevereposted 8 years ago

    What was that movie that Jeff Goldblum was in and he was a cat and the other guy was a dog from outerspace----"Earth Girls Are Easy"???  Hilarious!!

  5. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    ROFLMAO

    Now, since I know where are you coming from, I may be able to answer what I think you wanted to ask smile

    There is God on one side. It is a pure speculation that you can't observe or prove or disprove.

    There is a knowledge of laws of Nature on the other side, that you can observe or prove or disprove, and you can reproduce their manifestations, given the circumstances are identical. Like you can observe that when you release any object it will fall down. It is the law of nature, it is observable and it could be reliably reproduced.

    It does not support idea of God, it does not oppose it - it just is. You drop the ball, it falls down. Period. When you learned this, you were not brainwashed into it - umm, at least not in a sense you are using this word here smile - you learned this by observation. It might have been your mother who told you that objects fall down, but you checked it yourself many times, and invariably they did. Nobody can brainwash you into believing a ball flies up. This is a real education smile

    Now, not everything is that straight forward. Some causes have delayed consequences, some things correlate without causing one another, etc. It all may get very complex, and here comes the potential for brainwashing, not always intentional. That's pretty much Global Warming hysteria.

    Relatively simple example from my own life. In Russia it is believed that cold drinks and food are the cause of getting cold. When I came to America I was shocked with everybody drinking iced drinks and eating ice-cream year round no matter what. But heck, Americans don't really get sick more often than Russians! So, it is not the law of nature, and I was brainwashed by the whole country into believing in it. smile

    The funny thing is it is still considered a law of nature in Russia. If a Russian drinks regular American dose of iced drink, s/he gets a soar throat, guaranteed big_smile It is a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy - we believe this is true, and don't train our bodies to handle cold drinks - hence the reaction. However it is not the law of nature, because Russians biologically are not different from Americans, so the whole country brainwashed itself big_smile

    Now, coming to those "inventions" like water4gas. They are breaking fundamental laws of nature, which are even more prominent than "everything falls down" - conservation laws. Therefore they are not inventions, they are scam. It is like somebody telling you that he knows how to drop the ball so it flies up. Only people who did not receive real education and can't tell the law of nature from speculation can be brainwashed into believing into such a crap. smile

    Well, I obviously set aside a lot of stuff that should have been included here be it anything close to scientific writing. Please don't call me on this those who know - I was just trying to give the main idea, without overcomplicating it smile

  6. Houellebecq profile image84
    Houellebecqposted 8 years ago

    I really think that education and religion are just social institutions that form humans into a pattern of norms with similar values and beliefs so that society can run smoothly... at least from a functionalists perspective.

    They both have their cons where the support unhealthy human behaviors such as class constriction and class consciousness but I really think society would crumble with out both. While yeah, they are rather annoying somethings and cause a lot of opinion clashes, you can always just choose to be aware of these things and live your life freely as you see fit.

    I see this "Brainwashing" as an important way to keep society working like a well oiled machine. Instead of considering it brainwashing, i see it as socialization for the survival of society. If everyone was off on their own tangent constantly real life would be a god awful mess. It would be like the internet because it would be pretty much a free for all. If it wasn't religion it would just be another human-invented institution to socialize people and then we would be complaining about that instead.

    I personally have no religion, never have since the day I was born and I turned out fine BUT since religion has been around a lot longer than I have, it has already shaped society and I'm running by religion's rules without knowing it.
    Crazy.

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    sandra rinckposted 8 years ago

    Hi Misha,

    I think you tend to under complicate somethings and over complicate others.  Yes, a ball falls down, but that is the human perspective (brainwashing).  When really the ball is going towards the center of the Earth where it's gravity is the strongest.  In which case it is not really falling, it is being pulled and if it wasn't for the ground being in the way at some point it would be prepelled.  -real education. wink

    Water for Gas

    Water can be a gas, liquid or a solid.  Steam is water in gas form and when confined into a concentrated area, it creates a combustion.  How you can't see this is beyond me.

    But your right, God just is.  But you still believe that when a person says God, they must be talking about Jesus or something because what a person believes on their own accord, just happens to be similar to that idea of God.  Which, Misha is a very brainwashed idea also.

    Did you ever think that maybe in Russia the idea that people get sick drinking cold drinks doesn't have anything to do with training the body to not drink cold drinks thus guaranteeing that person will get a soar throat, or...that you drink hot drinks in Russia because it kills the bacteria in the water which makes you sick and has nothing to do with training your body to not drink cold things? 

    But please join us in bowing to to Sufri's neighbors ass.  smile

    ps.  but yes falling is to down as rising is to up.

    1. TheMoneyGuy profile image76
      TheMoneyGuyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Steam cannot combust.

      TMG

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        sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I said steam that steam confined to a concentrated area will in other words explode.  Not the steam, but it has to find a way out.  that is law. right?  pressure steam pressure.  smile

        Just another one of those things that bugs me, you have to be so specific about everything.

        1. TheMoneyGuy profile image76
          TheMoneyGuyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Yes if the pressure of the steam exceeds the yield strength of the Vessel it goes boom!

          TMG

    2. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      LOL Sandy,

      OK, I think we are done with water4gas on another thread, glad it was just a misunderstanding smile

      Now, about up and down and gravity and such - I specifically stated that I oversimplified the things to get the main point across, so stop nitpicking on me wink All your additions are more or less valid, and I can add a few more complications and details - but this was not the point.

      Equating human perspective to brainwashing does not get my vote though. For me those are different things. Human perspective is no doubt relative, but it is based on reality and is tested by reality and passed the reality test. Brainwashed perspective does not correspond to reality, and as soon as you expose this thing to the unbiased test, you see the brainwashing smile

      And your theory about bacteria does not hold a reality test - Russians get even worse sore throat if they drink cold right after hot. If your theory worked, they should not get any sore throat at all in this case tongue

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        sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        sure Misha, tell yourself whatever you think.  love you!  smile

  8. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    LOL Sandy you lost me completely smile

    I probably blew my brains to the end in my previous post, so it's time to go to bad. I'll check Sufi's ass tomorrow, or was it his neighbor's pussy? wink

  9. TheMoneyGuy profile image76
    TheMoneyGuyposted 8 years ago

    I think I blew up this thread.

    :-)

    TMG

  10. aka-dj profile image79
    aka-djposted 8 years ago

    Brain Wash, hmm
    It should be MIND Wash! big_smile:
    Of course, those who don't have a brain, can have steam go through and "wash" out the cavity. Like you said, who is right, and who is wrong. Who decides that a brain/mind needs to be washed (re-programmed)?

  11. Sufidreamer profile image82
    Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago

    Afternoon aka-dj - Hope that the Australian summer is treating you well.

    This all reminds me of a story my granddad told me.

    During the war, after being a Bevan Boy, my grandfather became a Military Policeman. In Lancashire, there were many prison camps for the German POW's, and he had the task of guarding them. He told me that so many of the captured men were complete Nazi's, and had been brainwashed and indoctrinated with Nazi ideals since childhood. Most had been forced to join the Hitler Youth at a young age.

    Once this barrier was broken through, and the men realised that there was another way of life, they could start to rebuild their minds. Most of them turned out to be very pleasant and kind young men, and many stayed in the area after the war, marrying local girls. That was an example of true brainwashing, and was yet another Nazi crime against humanity. My Grandfather never blamed the Germans for the war, realising that a regime set upon controlling thoughts can rip the soul out of a nation.

    Maybe Misha has some similar tales, if they do not bring back too many painful memories. sad

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      pgrundyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I have similar thoughts about Islamic terrorism. So many of the recruits are very young and horribly poor. They have less than nothing and they look at us and see how we live and how much we waste--of course it's going to make them angry. So if someone is there feeding them a religious line that gives them a purpose, they will cling to that. What do they have to lose? Also, I've thought many times that we were successfully attacked on September 11. No one ever says it because you will be lynched if you say it, but look at the state of our economy, look how much money we poured down the toilet over the last 7 years 'fighting terrorism'. It bankrupted us. That's what they wanted.

      I think, give these young men something better to hope for.  Then they will stop. And also, stop being so greedly and ruthless ourselves. That would help too.

    2. aka-dj profile image79
      aka-djposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Hello! Yes the summer is gr8. Fishing, well, not soo good (yet?)
      The thing with brainwashing is, that once the person has thier mind filled with "stuff", they perceive the world through eyes aligned with that view. IE, believer vs atheist. They see the same world through completely different paradigms. For that to change, much needs to be removed, and replaced with new concepts.
      It's no wonder that the (event) experience of being "born again" is (in my mind, and that of many others) considered a miracle! Similar things could be said of others who have had drammatic, lifechaging events happen to them (as you have related here).
      It's a real pradigm shift that is required, to go from what you thought was right and true, to what you now hold as being right and true. They may in fact be totally opposed to each other.

    3. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, definitely Sufi, my whole life, and there is nothing what I would call painful memories though smile

      Basically I rebuilt my worldview completely since I realized I was brainwashed. And I am still in the process of rebuilding. When I find something I believe in without grounds (and trust me, it still happens pretty often), I start challenging it. If I decide I held the challenge, I leave it in my worldview, but know it is not a believe, but something tested. If it doesn't, I start working on getting rid of it...

      It was pretty hard in the beginning, when I had to dismantle the whole body of my views that contradicted one another and reality, and for several years I did not have any moral yardstick to measure myself and others, but then things started to snap into place, and it appeared I don;t really need any except for my own likes and dislikes. And to tell you the truth, life without a yardstick is much more enjoyable wink

      But it would be a mistake to think that brainwashing is limited to totalitarian regimes. So called democracies use it quite a bit, too, and I see a lot of examples of brainwashed opinions here on HP smile

      1. Sufidreamer profile image82
        Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Glad that you are enjoying life. smile

        You are right, of course. We are all brainwashed - it is just the degree that is different. One thing I have noticed about the education system here is that Greek kids are taught how to think for themselves, and encouraged to debate. They study philosophy when they are at primary school. Sweden was the same, and you were encouraged to discuss things with teachers, rather than just accept their word.

        In the UK, this does not happen - teachers tell you things as fact, and you are not supposed to question them. Don't know if the US is the same, but I suspect that this is why the British are becoming a more docile people. sad

  12. gamergirl profile image60
    gamergirlposted 8 years ago

    In the United States, more often than not a child who shows interest in the coursework is either sent for ADHD testing and Ritalin, or belittled so much by classmates that they eventually fall into a sort of stupor.  I'm disgusted by the fact that children who should be spending extra time with their teachers are instead being passed into the next grade so that they don't "become socially stunted."

    Socially stunted..

    We already are, speaking in the general sense of Americans today.. we don't care if you don't know how to read, we're concerned about your fragile little ego.

 
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