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WARNING: Worldwide UFO Invasion 5th April 2014

  1. sparkster profile image94
    sparksterposted 2 years ago

    I have been trying to get the word out about this and have made posts about it at Tumblr, Bubblews, Pinterest, Twitter, Facebook, etc.

    On 5th April 2014, thousands of UFO's will be invading the skies of many countries - these will not be real UFO's.

    Rather, thousands of people from various countries have all vowed to take part in a giant hoax, which has been collaborated on forums regularly visited by remote control drone fans.

    The idea behind the event is to show how easily people can be fooled (and of course, to discredit the real UFO phenomena).

    People in countries including the UK, US, South Africa and the Netherlands will be taking part in this hoax.

    Plead help to spread the word of this deception!

    1. oz-vitez profile image83
      oz-vitezposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Well, its better than the millions that have taken part in the giant hoax known as Obama's presidency...wink

      1. Thief12 profile image91
        Thief12posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        You get the award for the most incomprehensible segue of all HubPages. Congratulations!

        1. oz-vitez profile image83
          oz-vitezposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry to burst your bubble, mate; I'll take my humor to the adult forum and let you, Mork, and Mindy alone.

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            Beth37posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Mork drank water with his fingers and sat on his head. Man, that was some funny stuff.

        2. FitnezzJim profile image86
          FitnezzJimposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          That segue would have been a bit less incomprehensible if it began with a tabloid-like headline "Obama Birth Resolved!  Obama was brought to Earth by Aliens!".  His alien friends are coming to complete the take-over of Earth. Watch the skies on the 5th of April, 2014.

      2. WTF World profile image71
        WTF Worldposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Pretty sure it's not a hoax. It is actually happening. He is President, whether we like it or not. It is factual, I assure you.

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          Beth37posted 2 years ago in reply to this

          It is factual. I've seen him on tv and he's married to the first lady so...

          1. bethperry profile image88
            bethperryposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            "BO, call home..Ming the Merciless says he can't sign onto the ObamaCare website!"

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              Beth37posted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Do I need to read the rest of this thread to get that?

  2. Mark Lees profile image86
    Mark Leesposted 2 years ago

    Why? Provided they take appropriate safety precautions I see no harm in it.

    1. sparkster profile image94
      sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      There are no safety precautions for certain people with health issues (i.e. schizophrenics, people with LongQT Syndrome, etc) plus there's the fact that mass suicides have taken place in the past because of UFO beliefs. It would be a cool event if everyone knew it was happening - but the way this is being done could have adverse health effects for many people. I am also a believer that ET UFO's are visiting this planet and such events do nothing to help the UFO disclosure movement.

      1. Mark Lees profile image86
        Mark Leesposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        The mass suicides come from cult activity which this wouldn't effect. The suicides linked to the H.G.Wells as performed by Orson Welles had no deaths linked to it.

        Schizophrenia is very unlikely to cause anybody to have an episode from this kind of stimulus and the reality is that  we are now sufficiently sophisticated not to panic at lights in the sky. The odd person may do, but whatever they have planned is no more likely to cause hysteria than chinese lanterns being let off.

        If UFO's are visiting us it is very unlikely that these drones will be more off putting than the satellites flying around earth, the planes in the air and the other signal interence that humanity employs.

        It is also true that the places where people have easy access to drone technology also have easy access to news services and the internet and people are sufficiently sophisticated to check.

        Good luck to them.

        1. sparkster profile image94
          sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Fair points but I disagree with some of them, especially after working for years with people who would be considered vulnerable.

  3. Millionaire Tips profile image89
    Millionaire Tipsposted 2 years ago

    I thought the hoax was a hoax!  Wow, it is a real hoax.  Well, that's one way to get attention.

    1. sparkster profile image94
      sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Yea, all this is doing is helping to spread more disinfo/misinfo.

  4. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago

    I think the hoax is a valuable reminder to be skeptical and not leap from "object floating in the air" to "OMG aliens". Good on them.

    1. sparkster profile image94
      sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      I think its just as important to remain open minded and to realize that there are indeed also genuine UFO incidents which have happened on Earth, along with inexplicable evidence to back them up - anyone who ever studied the real official evidence we have has come to the conclusion that some (maybe up to 5%) of UFO's are of extraterrestrial origin.

      1. psycheskinner profile image80
        psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        I have studied them quite extensively as an offshoot of a book chapter I wrote on cattle mutilation and a absolutely did not conclude that any proportion of them are clearly alien technology. So not "anyone". An 'open mind' means accepting people come to a range of conclusions based on the same information.

        1. sparkster profile image94
          sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Stuying cattle mutilation for one chapter of a book is minimal to 6 years research and personal experience of witnessing an alien entity and being visited by UFO's. The evidence exists, its just not very easy to find.

          1. psycheskinner profile image80
            psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            I get it, you don't respect the opinions of people who disagree with you--and assume you have special information or intelligence.  Nevertheless, rational, informed and intelligence people do disagree with your conclusion.

            1. sparkster profile image94
              sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Don't get me wrong, I completely understand and respect your skepticism. I was an atheist and a skeptic right up until 2008 but I, like many of us, have had no choice but to change my mind.

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    Beth37posted 2 years ago

    Seriously? No one suggested the 1st?

    1. sparkster profile image94
      sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      yes, it was originally planned for 1st April but they thought it would be too obvious!

  6. Mario Harris profile image60
    Mario Harrisposted 2 years ago

    I'm getting married the week after that. So they better wait

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      Beth37posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Or at least take some really cool aerial shots for you.

  7. Bill Sego profile image88
    Bill Segoposted 2 years ago

    I don't understand why people waste their time trying to discredit a phenomenon that has an OVERWHELMING amount of evidence (even just the 1%-5% of unexplainable cases) to support the possibility.  It's just another example of resources that should otherwise be devoted to the subject.  Scientists are the worst culprits of all since they have the resources to actually do serious studies, but they allow the "giggle factor" and fear of credibility among their academic peers get in the way of serious research.  (I don't count SETI scientists since they have an obvious conflict of interest regarding the phenomenon...in other words, why listen for signals if there is a possibility they are already here?).  Of course there are hoaxes and a large number of reports already have a mundane explanation so am not sure why they're wasting their time or what they hope to accomplish.  These will be the same people (especially SETI and other professionals adamantly opposed to even the idea of it) that will find a nice quiet rock to hide under should validity ever surface in our/their lifetime.  They're just setting themselves up for failure and possibly giving gullible fanatics fuel for their fire.  They'll argue that if a scientist was wrong about the possibility of interstellar mobility and the ETH then what else could they be wrong about?  Not a good scenario for the future of science and physics...

    1. psycheskinner profile image80
      psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      I don't understand why you can't see that they/we sincerely disagree with you about how to interpret the same information--and honestly think their is no convincing evidence that aliens have come to Earth and flown around in aircraft.

      I think UFOs are just that. Unidentified.

      1. Alastar Packer profile image83
        Alastar Packerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Bill Sego is right. 'Overwhelming' evidence is the word for it all right. UFOs exist by their very definition. Air pilots, for example, are coming forth now in heavy numbers to report their own encounters and sightings. As to what may happen on April the 5th, I'd rather listen to the space-rock band Temples all day than a bunch of misguided pipsqueaks. But sparkster could be right about some panic with the uninformed. Still, it's hard to believe such a hoax could be more than a ripple in the Age of the Internet. We'll see.....

      2. Bill Sego profile image88
        Bill Segoposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Psycheskinner, that's a cop-out.  Based on how the scientific method works, they should be compelled to study those cases that have NO POSSIBLE alternative explanation.  That's exactly what they're afraid of.  Since they are unable to come to a conclusion about it, they ignore it as though it's a non-phenomenon.  That's a crime against science.  The phenomenon is not going away and is only gaining ground (more cameras and more eyewitnesses).  It's only a matter of time before those with the right job title, tools, and equipment are forced to at least take a closer look.  Fine if "unexplained" is the only conclusion to be drawn, but it's flat out criminal for them to ignore it altogether.  I can understand those "studies" that might not have a potentially scientific explanation (ghosts, astral projection, esp, etc.), but the ETH is a physical phenomenon and not something ethereal.  Not only that, but what happens to those scientists who staunchly argue it isn't possible and they finally land on the White House lawn to make their presence known?  Nobody knows for certain that they aren't here and the small amount of valid evidence certainly suggests something beyond even foreseeable technology is in our skies.  How will they backpedal and still retain any level of credibility?  By ignoring it, they are setting up science for a big fall, not to mention their own reputation and credibility.  A believer will then come out and say, "well, if a scientist can be wrong about the possibility of interstellar mobility and the ETH then what else could they be wrong about?"  Certainly not a good scenario for science in general and would be very embarrassing for the staunch skeptics.  I'm not saying I know for certain they are here, but the 1%-5% of evidence with no other possible explanation are certainly worth further study.  There's no escaping that fact...period.

        1. psycheskinner profile image80
          psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Until you specify some particular cases you deem to be within the 1-5% all I am copping out of that I should take your assessment over mine just because you say so and you are obviously better than me for some reason.  When you present evidence of a fact, I will consider accepting it--and not before.

          1. Bill Sego profile image88
            Bill Segoposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Psycheskinner, I know you don't live under a rock and there is such a thing as the internet.  There is a TON of cases out there that fall within the 1%-5% of best cases.  Try this one for starters: http://ufos.about.com/od/bestufocasefil … cases.htm.  The best example of a scientist that was hired by the government to weed out mundane reports was Dr. J. Allen Hynek.  He was initially as skeptical (admittedly was hired to debunk) as any other scientist regarding the phenomenon until he actually started looking at the cases and weighing the evidence.  He concluded that something beyond natural phenomenon has indeed been witnessed in our skies since the dawn of written history.  A happy medium approach (neither based on gullibility/wanton belief or extreme skepticism) is all that serious UFO investigators are asking for.  Nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman and optical physicist Bruce Maccabee are a couple examples of the few scientists willing to devote time and serious research to the topic.  You and I have no right to say, with any certainty, that they are or aren't here since we don't have the correct tools or know-how to do the required research.  The question must remain open until more are willing (or forced when something incredible does present itself in a largely populated area) to look into it further.  That's all I'm saying.  It is only something to be considered based on the evidence that does exist, not believed or not believed.  Do we accept "wild tales" of time travel, multiple universes, string theory, black holes, quarks & neutrinos, etc by theoretical physicists until we see them with our own eyes?  100 years ago, we could have rightfully stated that none of them existed.  Let's not be too hasty as the jury is certainly still out...

            1. psycheskinner profile image80
              psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              You still have not specified a case you think proves UFOs are alien.  Shall I suggest some? Fox Lake?  Shag Harbor? Micminville? Bueller? How does a big list help with that? Have I ever denied their were sighting, lots of them? No. I want to talk *specifics*.

              You will note I never denied people see UFOs--only that is it reason to conclude they are alien space ships rather than accept their nature is unknown.

              You leaped to thinking just hadn't read enough accounts on the apparent assumption that your way of interpreting them is the only rational way. If you pick a specific sighting, any sighting, we can find where the real difference lies.

              Or you can continue to just assume I am deliberately avoiding the evidence and/or a crappy scientist (IMHO already showing we approach ambiguous data in rather different ways).

              1. Bill Sego profile image88
                Bill Segoposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                You're completely missing my point then.  I'm not out to prove some UFOs are alien spacecraft.  (That would be the topic of one of my next books.)  Proving or claiming something as gospel is very different than leaving it open as the most plausible explanation.  I'm only suggesting that people should remain open to that interpretation or else provide a SPECIFIC interpretation to the contrary for ANY of the best cases.  This isn't a matter of "proof" since, at this point, none of them prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are alien ships.  That's already established so I'm not going to repeat the obvious status quo.  But some of the best cases certainly leave no other plausible interpretation.  Keeping an open mind to the possibility is indeed the only rational way of approaching the topic.  But just pulling one out of thin air, what do you think the source of the objects are in Paul Trent's photos from his farm in McMinnville Oregon?  Let me ask you this?  What are your parameters?  What would you personally accept as proof?  A decision by a jury stating that there is no other possible interpretation?  Shaking hands with an alien?  A theory by an optical physicist that there is no other explanation to account for what appears in a photo or video?  In fact there is only one type of proof that could stand up to scrutiny...they would have to land in a highly populated area and walk out for a live interview with Scott Pelley.  Case then closed.  A lot of science is built on inference when no other plausible interpretation exists.  That's how scientists are certain that black holes are real.  You cannot directly see one, but the math and what we do see leave no other plausible conclusion.  Do you believe in black holes?  Does the subject matter of UFOs demand more scrutiny (when comparing it to what we knew of black holes during the 1960s, but was still a valid theory) because of the implications it would have on society?  Is that why it deserves more scrutiny or skepticism than, say, the theory of evolution?

                1. EncephaloiDead profile image61
                  EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  That's not entirely true, some of the best cases may indeed have either plausible, implausible or a collection of both that most likely would provide a terrestrial explanation as opposed to alien speculation. All that accomplishes is jumping to conclusions where none are available and not enough information has been provided.

                  And, since there is yet to be even one single case that has ever shown alien interventions of any kind to be valid or credible, why continue to assume any case of aliens is the rational approach?



                  There's no reason to believe the proof of alien visitations will be similar to a B rated Sci-fi movie, but the proof would certainly have to be undeniable. If alien technology allows them to accomplish the most difficult feat of any life form, that is to leave their planet and travel vast distances to our planet, they would at the very least let us know they're here. Why would they care if we still didn't know other life forms existed? If our scientists are actively searching, then it's obvious we're ready for that answer.



                  That's a red herring. Understanding that black holes should exist based on General Relativity is not the same thing as visiting aliens.

                  And yes, there are other plausible conclusions, they just haven't presented themselves.

                   

                  Evidence.

                  1. Bill Sego profile image88
                    Bill Segoposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    All it takes is just one case.  And, if it is plausible to assume the ETH is a valid hypothesis, who are we to assume we could comprehend their motives or reason for anonymity?  It would be just as presumptuous to assume we could assume their intentions or motives as it would be for someone to say he or she is 100% certain they are of ET origin.  Regardless of the approach one takes while studying the phenomenon, the ones that appear to leave no other conclusion are the only ones to be considered as a POSSIBILITY that they are what they INDEED appear to be, if only applying logic and common sense to what you are seeing mixed with a legitimate possibility we could actually produce some of the characteristics and maneuvers they display.  Some cases leave NO other possible explanation other than a) eth or b) top secret military dream machines.  Some valid photographs and videos that are proven to not be a hoax leave no other possible determination.  The fact remains, the jury is still out.  Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, it is a valid possibility to consider and leave open as an interpretation.  Scientists can remain in denial or as staunchly skeptical as they wish, but that approach to the topic could certainly backfire.  That's really my only point.  Because if they are here and do make their presence known in our lifetime, isn't it going to be very embarrassing for the staunch skeptic?  Wouldn't it be harmful to science in general if they were proven wrong?  How would they backpedal and retract their previous statements to the contrary and wouldn't that leave open all sorts of fanatical and personal attacks toward them?  Sure they can be as critical as they want, but those of us who consider the possibility will have the last laugh...

                2. psycheskinner profile image80
                  psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Then why did you start saying various derogatory things and arguing with me because I said something that you apparently agree with? [baffled]

                  1. Bill Sego profile image88
                    Bill Segoposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    I looked back through and didn't see anything derogatory or personal so am not sure what you're referring to.  At least no more than your remarks to sparkster that he didn't respect other people's opinions and was being  irrational and unintelligent.  Any disagreement will contain some level of "derogatory" remarks from both parties.  We're big boys/girls and can handle it.  Since, on the surface, some reports do support the ETH (yes, an actual hypothesis popularized by physicist Edward Condon that even Carl Sagan said was possible), I see nothing wrong with giving the phenomenon (only the best cases of course) the benefit of the doubt as a POSSIBILITY.

  8. Dont Taze Me Bro profile image77
    Dont Taze Me Broposted 2 years ago

    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/8803212_f248.jpg

    I'm not so sure it is a prank - it was originally planned for April fools day but changed to the 5th because they thought doing it on the 1st was too obvious a prank. I'm sure all UFO conspirators will agree with me, if aliens, who are among us, YOU KNOW IT, wanted to stage an invasion what better way to disquise it than as a prank on April fools day! I'm hitting the shelter on the 1st! Survivors, let me know when it is safe to come out.

    1. Dont Taze Me Bro profile image77
      Dont Taze Me Broposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      http://s1.hubimg.com/u/8805236_f248.jpg

      Disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 begins to demand supernatural explanations - the Washington Post is now reporting that smartphones of some passengers who boarded the flight are still active and connected to the 'net even though the plane they were on has vanished.

      As WashPost reports:

      One of the most eerie rumors came after a few relatives said they were able to call the cellphones of their loved ones or find them on a Chinese instant messenger service called QQ that indicated that their phones were still somehow online.

      A migrant worker in the room said that several other workers from his company were on the plane, including his brother-in-law. Among them, the QQ accounts of three still showed that they were online, he said Sunday afternoon.

      Adding to the mystery, other relatives in the room said that when they dialed some passengers' numbers, they seemed to get ringing tones on the other side even though the calls were not picked up.

      Get ready,  teleportation portals of some kind exist in the skies through which the aliens will be coming in April and  through which this plane inadvertently flew and was teleported somewhere else. Yet, astonishingly, electromagnetic signals can still make it through the portal, and the two sides of the portal remain in contact across the radio spectrum. (This explanation sounds like pure science fiction and also seems extremely unlikely, yet we must at least acknowledge that modern physics has already demonstrated the instantaneous teleportation of information across apparently infinite space due to the "non-locality" of entangled electrons as described in quantum theory.)

      There could be more of these mysterious plane disappearances (which has been recorded to have occurred at other times in history) as we aproach April 5th. They are out there and they are coming while we sit around believing it will be a hoax.

  9. merej99 profile image89
    merej99posted 2 years ago

    How appropriate this lands on my sister's birthday!  smile

  10. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago

    The phones are not active, they ring on the receiver's end while searching for a signal. Their voicemail is not actually on the phone and will still function. There is no evidence I have seen of phone to network connectivity.

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      mbuggiehposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      It is interesting how basic lack of understanding of something as simple as voice mail (which you correctly note is not connected to the phone itself) can lead people to the most preposterous of conclusions.

      This hub reminds me of the infamous Fox Sisters and their disgraceful, and at some level deeply exploitive,  claims of making connections with the dead; with the so-called "Spirit World".

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        Beth37posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        However, if you put it on a serious news show like 48 hours, attach some eerie music... it becomes fact. No disputing it once they've added the music.

        1. psycheskinner profile image80
          psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          And God forbid a journalist should check the facts before perpetuating wild claims that give false hope to greiving relatives.  That might mean they don't get to be the one breaking the "story".

      2. Alastar Packer profile image83
        Alastar Packerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        The oldest Fox sister(the two experiencers' manager at one time) at the time of the "admission" was a severe alcoholic and broke when the newspaper in the city of the admission paid her a hefty sum to say it was all a hoax. She later retracted. It's hard to see how the two sisters could have fooled even scientific types for decades by simply cracking their knuckles. Definitely more to the Fox sisters' story than meets the eye.

        1. psycheskinner profile image80
          psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          one sister did demonstration after  explaining the mechanism that recreated the "real" demonstration.  If a confession and demonstration is not evidence of a hoax, I don't know what is.

          1. Alastar Packer profile image83
            Alastar Packerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Your of course correct in that. What it proved was at least one sister could throw toe-cracking sounds. If the many books I've read are right, there were far more baffling activities than just thrown sounds surrounding the sisters in their demonstrations.

  11. sparkster profile image94
    sparksterposted 2 years ago

    Wow, I'm so glad I started this thread, it's turned out to be quite entertaining!

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      Beth37posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      I had an online stalker type dude once that said he was abducted by aliens when he was 10. He said they pulled him up into the ship, did experiments on him then let him go.

    2. FitnezzJim profile image86
      FitnezzJimposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Agree.  Laughter is the best medicine.

      1. Alastar Packer profile image83
        Alastar Packerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Laughter is fine medicine. For what it's worth, though, this exchange from CNN's website doesn't qualify: A Malaysian politico tweeted " new Bermuda triangle detected in Vietnam waters, well equipped sophisticated devices are of no use!" Piers Morgan replied " Really? Then your as thick as you look. I was praying you were one of the people on the plane." What a compassionate and tactful man Piers is.

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          Beth37posted 2 years ago in reply to this

          How weird is it that he's a newsman now, eh?

  12. Nadine May profile image92
    Nadine Mayposted 2 years ago

    Well all I can comment on this announcement is that we have been warned. If this is going to happen in the USA and also in South Africa then I'm glad to have known about this hoax.  Nothing surprises me anymore, all I do know is that most of the UFO's are man made!

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    mbuggiehposted 2 years ago

    sparkster:

    I am not sure I am understanding your intent with this forum.

    Are you claiming (a) that UFOs as in alien ships from other planets captained by aliens are real and (b) that the government---some government, any government is perpetrating some sort of UFO invasion hoax in order to "discredit" those who insist that alien visitations are real?

    1. sparkster profile image94
      sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      My intent is just to let you know that the hoax is happening. As far as I am aware it's not being perpetrated by governments but members of the general public who are avid fans of remote controlled multi-rotor drones. It has been suggested that the hoax is being used to cover a real event but I didn't make this suggestion... and yes, personally I believe between 1% to 5% of UFO's to be of extraterrestrial origin but that's a different matter and it's up to you what you choose to believe.

  14. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago

    I am still interested in what cases, with what traits, you considered to be probably alien in nature.

    1. sparkster profile image94
      sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      I have pointed out a few cases but I don't know why you're making a big deal over whether they exist or not, when that's not really what this thread is about.  According to the militaries of several countries they have evidence that some (notice I said "some") UFO's are extraterrestrial - and there is a worldwide disclosure movement going on right now with regards to this issue, which I have been following for the past 6 years.

      1. sparkster profile image94
        sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        The problem is that we have nothing officially on record as evidence as alien life, therefore when something "unexplained" or "anomalous" happens there is no evidence of alien life to compare it with, therefore we are unable to come to the conclusion that it's alien, even though it may (or may not) be.  What amazes me is how militaries, governments, etc claim this is real - if the skeptics believe they are wrong or lying then the skeptics are accusing them of lying about it which in itself is another conspiracy theory. What I know is that after what I have seen with my own eyes, I would rather believe the official declassified documents and the information in them, which has been analyzed by top government scientists and researchers, than I would believe the claims or theories of a random skeptic who I've never met and am not familiar with. So, there is no ROBUST evidence that we know of but like I mentioned, these declassified documents are just a fraction of what's there - why are the rest of them being kept secret? What else do they know?

        1. EncephaloiDead profile image61
          EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Exactly, and that speaks volumes in regards to every other case out there that also has no evidence.



          That makes no sense, if something alien were here on Earth, it wouldn't be very difficult to conclude it was in fact alien.



          Of course, you would, that is, if indeed real scientists and researchers actually were saying such things, but they aren't.

        2. sparkster profile image94
          sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Why was blood taken from the Para UFO attack victims?

          If the event was officially recorded by the Brazilian military and lasted for nine months wouldn't we have found its origin by now if wasn't "alien" (as in foreign to Earth)?

          What kind of technology exists capable of doing so?

          What "unknown" substances killed the two people during the Varginha incident?

          Are these substances still unknown today? Are they native to Earth?

          How did Roswell metal fragments found by Frank Kimbler show they were "either not from Earth or the lab made an analytical error"?

          How is it Harvard University have confirmed the existence of 35 intelliget signals from space which have been ignored because they were not repeated?

          How is it that UFO's are not only tracked on radar in Earth's atmosphere but also coming into Earth's atmosphere from outer space?

          These are the types of questions I find asking myself when researching this phenomena.

          The ETH is, in my opinion, the most logical and the most plausible (at the moment). If anyone can offer conventional explanations I would be willing to consider them.

          1. sparkster profile image94
            sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            I have already named numerous government scientists, engineers, researchers etc in many of my hubs (and bubbles) on this topic - yes, they do exist. You can choose to ignore that fact if you want but that doesn't mean its not real.

            1. EncephaloiDead profile image61
              EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              I'm quite sure those people exist, that's part of the problem.

              No real scientist would ever go on record stating something was in fact of alien origins. And, they don't.

          2. EncephaloiDead profile image61
            EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            That is pretty much how believers think, they will jump to the conclusion they really want to believe is true because no one can offer them an explanation, most likely because an explanation is not readily available.

            That is not science, that is called "woo-woo"

            1. sparkster profile image94
              sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Statistically, 60% of the world disagree with you - are you calling the majority of the people on the planet "woo woo" because you disagree with them?  It seems to me there is only one person being derogatory on this entire thread.

              1. EncephaloiDead profile image61
                EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                And, what exactly do 60% of the world disagree with me, not ignoring the fact you just offered the Appeal to Popularity fallacy as your argument?



                Aside from your obvious use of previously mentioned fallacy, I was not referring to the majority of people on the planet, or else I would have actually written that here. The point of my responses are solely on the words you write here, please try to remember that moving forward.

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            mbuggiehposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            You make many claims here.

            What are the specific sources of these contentions? In other words, and with all due respect, where did you find and read this stuff?

            1. sparkster profile image94
              sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Most, if not all, of this information has come from declassified military documents from various countries along with ongoing research (which has never really stopped). The Para UFO attack for example - the documents were kept secret for 23 years and what is available is only a fraction of what they have.(which they openly acknowledge).

  15. sparkster profile image94
    sparksterposted 2 years ago

    Actually I was a complete skeptic when I first starting researching UFO's, so that argument is invalid.

    1. EncephaloiDead profile image61
      EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Whether you were a complete skeptic, an incomplete skeptic or something in between does not preclude the fact your decision making process is flawed and most certainly appears biased, as in, bias confirmation.

      1. sparkster profile image94
        sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Confirmation bias? so, you're saying the information available has led me to that conclusion because it makes certain assumptions that have led me to that belief? Nope, "confirmation bias" is a subject I was already very familiar with before I started looking into this. You are making the assumption that you are right and I am wrong when there is no way to prove or disprove it - that is the true meaning of bias. You can tell me I'm wrong, but you can't tell that to the people inside government who are working on this.

        1. EncephaloiDead profile image61
          EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          No, I'm making the observation that you're jumping to conclusions based on false premises. Confirmation bias is the tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses, as you do with alien visitations.



          I don't need to tell them, others most likely have already told them. Their arguments are not compelling in the least, they have no evidence.

          It's just a belief system.

          1. sparkster profile image94
            sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Technically, everything is just a belief system, just as is your skepticism. Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker.  You stick to your belief system, I'll stick to mine - which are both based on experience by the way.  You can't use a psychological basis to prove or even make a compelling case that I am wrong because psychology, perception, mind, personality, delusions, hallucinations, etc all come under my primary specialist subject (and education).  It's getting quite pathetic now, why don't you just stop being so childish and go pick your silly little arguments with someone as childish as yourself.

            1. sparkster profile image94
              sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              And your definition of confirmation bias is wrong too, so I suggest you do some research on that too, perhaps along with some research on the wisdom of crowds.  The more you spout off a load of babble the more of an idiot you're making yourself look - and no, that wasn't an insult - you really are making yourself look like an idiot.

  16. sparkster profile image94
    sparksterposted 2 years ago

    Haha talk about trying to twist the situation. You wanted to prove a point, not me. I couldn't care less what you believe, that's your choice and makes no difference whatsoever to me.... but still you insisted on wasting your time... then again, people do get offensive instead of defensive when they experience cognitive dissnonance. This debate has nothing to do with the forum topic. I made clear my opinions (and beliefs) - clearly you do not respect the beliefs of others and have resorted to making attacks when presented with information which conflicts with your own preconceived notion of reality and therefore I consider this conversation over. Feel free to reply if you want (but I won't read it).

  17. sparkster profile image94
    sparksterposted 2 years ago

    ... and you never managed to propose as much as one rational explanation for the events put forth. Ah, well...

  18. Mark Lees profile image86
    Mark Leesposted 2 years ago

    Bill, I am a sceptic about anything Bruce Maccabee has to say as his work has been proven to be unreliable on a number of occassions. There are many alternate theories of the Trent case which are far more likely than aliens, but it is obvious that if somebody can set up a good hoax and is sufficiently clever to hide the evidence it will remain "unidentified" and it is my opinion that the Trent cases are an hoax.

    I am not familiar with all of the cases mentioned above but I believe the onus of proof is on those seeking to say it is aliens not on those believing the images have a terrestrial origin.

    As alien life is almost a certainty I do believe their is intelligent life out there but I am very sceptical about whether it has visited us and even if it has the liklihood is they could remain hidden if they wanted to.

  19. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago

    So the upshot of this is we all agree no known UFO case is a "compelling evidence" of alien visitation.  And yet somehow this still has the tone of an argument?

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    mbuggiehposted 2 years ago

    To Alastar Packer:

    You ask THE question we all should be asking: "Psychologically speaking, is there an acknowledged condition where a person refuses to consider or believe anything anyone says unless it agrees with their own narrow-minded thought patterns?"

    Anyone want to venture a guess?

    1. Alastar Packer profile image83
      Alastar Packerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Sure it can go either way, but this is a direct question, not an open-ended one...no guessing please:)

    2. sparkster profile image94
      sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      we don't need to guess - first there is Cerebral Narcissism, secondly there is Cognitive Dissonance.

      Some people are clearing making the decision to ignore what's right in front of them, not even bother to acknowledge it and then saying other peoples way of thinking is flawed - if that isn't either cognitive dissonance or cerebral narcissism then I don't know what is.

      * nice of them to get me banned from my very own thread for 24 hours, simply because of their (cerebral) narcissistic attitude.  HP have pushed me too far this time, I will not be writing for them again in the future.

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        mbuggiehposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        You got banned from your own thread??? For what? I've been reading all of the comments posted here and I cannot imagine you being banned.

        I really do wonder why some people are banned and others are allowed to post racist, bigoted, homophobic, anti-government, conspiracy theory-driven hate speech, vicious personal comments, overt and clear bullying, and even threatening comments (my list could go on and on) with impunity.

        1. psycheskinner profile image80
          psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          I think the reason is easy to infer from the insults right in that post. The post complaining about moderation probably does not meet the forum rules itself.

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            mbuggiehposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            I hear you.

          2. sparkster profile image94
            sparksterposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            How pathetic. Some people really do need to take a look in the mirror... oh I forgot, they already spend 90% of the time doing just that!  Talk about psychological dysfunction!

      2. Alastar Packer profile image83
        Alastar Packerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks for those explanations, sparkster. Good to see you back on.

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      mbuggiehposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      The answer is yes, but it may not be just a psychological condition related to failure to engage with reality.

      It appears also to be a cognitive condition related to extreme narcissism coupled with an incapacity to process even a modicum of critical thought resulting from or related to a fundamental lack of acquisition of factual information and data.

  21. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago

    If you don't disagree with what people are saying, why do you keeping acting like this is an argument?

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      mbuggiehposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Good point!

      I am trying to follow this discussion, but I am not understanding what it is about.

      The bottom-line is this: There are some people who believe that so-called UFOs are aliens from outer space  who are visiting Earth OR those who think that so-called UFOs are just unidentified or misidentified terrestrial air craft or other natural phenomena entirely unrelated to aliens or alien craft.

      What is being debated here is belief vs. reality and nothing more.

  22. Mark Johann profile image60
    Mark Johannposted 2 years ago

    This is strange because it is not in the Christian teachings. A man will be fooled if he let himself to be fooled.

    God is the ultimate purpose about this life and nothing more. Blessings to those who felt God and pray for those who have not felt Him.

 
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