Indeed. If nature were to win, what a blow to our egos.
Why should I kill myself? It would only anger the Creator, and outcome of my spiritual eternity might turn for worse...
Oh no, I did not mean that at all. Sorry.
I meant if we end up killing ourselves through wars, bombs, guns, pharmaceuticals, genetically modified foods, pollution, hatred, global warming, germ warfare, lethargy/sloth, stock market crashes, economic crashes, nuclear power plant failures/radiation, overly processed foods/unhealthful diets, embracing evil in the media, lack of survival skills, ignorance, greed, governmental tyranny, etc. etc. etc.
Not to mention a lack of common sense boundaries for the good of all.
When I look around and see the beauty of nature, I feel calm. If humans were to disappear from the face of the earth, the birds would be chirping, the bee population would be buzzing, the myriad of natural growth systems and structures would flourish without interruption and/or polution. Lakes would be become clean, and the streams and the oceans, the sky and the clouds, the blues and the greens … and all the other colors and the rainbows would become clear ...
Why don't we just pack up and go to Mars already, for the sake of this planet?
Fantasy, fiction or truth , there is a trustworthy Book carrying blessed promises for the planet Earth. I'll believe and wait, knowing the One who is in charge to fulfill His promises. ( Perhaps soon.)
How many do you know willing to listen and learn the truth? How many do you know who have not already given up?
Those who have faith in Jesus are the lucky ones.
Do they embrace nature?
Will they embrace nature?
Will they stand up for the way God made this planet and work to promote this way?
How far do we have to fall before we willingly cooperate with nature?
Oh Kathryn, statistically both of these questions can't be answer by me or any human beings; we are told of crisis in the history of God's people when Elijah was complaining as being single left while the YHWH told him "I still have left in Israel seven thousand followers..."(1 Kings 19:18). We do not go by numbers of churchgoers of register christian membership. Many I know who live righteously clinging to the Truth yet keeping themselves from being polluted by the world. Those who Trust the Living Word, are blessed by His standard, ( Sorry, no lucky in the kingdom business.)
Next two question, "Do hey- will they embrace nature?"- " They " surely do. Man created in God's image was placed in sovereignty over the earth- to have ''dominion." This purpose has never been terminated, though off and on suffering set-back, however the " redeemed" those of the light of the world and salt of the earth continue its purpose until the final victory. It's happening as we speak, God's purpose of total redemption ," Based on His promise, we are expecting new heavens and new earth, in which righteousness will dwell."
"How far do we have to fall before"...? Well "We " -not all will "fall" - whatever it means- yet certain 'change of magnitude' is ahed of this civilization.
I hope not. But what about those who are materialistically minded?
… which might just include all of us.
We go by the Book. There are answers in the Bible to every possible question including "those who are materialistically minded.'' The one particularly ( Luke 12:16-23) has a classic answer to a "materialistically ' minded ; - Jesus speaking "God said to him , 'You fool! I will demand your life from you tonight! Now who will get what you've accumulated.?'
By the way, some of us aren not included.
< "By the way, some of us are not included.">
(Edited after contemplating)
I agree, some will never know the master plan.
As you do.
Master plan: LIFE
"Some of us'' meant directly me. Once I've understood what my Master is saying, I had choice to be " stupid fool" and go to hell forever or to be "rich in God." No one can serve two Masters, has been told long time ago , and many do understand meaning of it. Still, I have to bee very careful of every single step of my earthly journey to keep faith intact.
If we all human beings collectively kill ourselves nature might be disappointed as well
Nature is completely impartial, to us.
God however ... that is another story.
He would be very sad (understatement) if we failed to such an extent.
He would have to start all over again!!!!!
Would He bother? That might be the apprpriate question!
What did you mean by, "Yes he does!" ?
and most importantly, why the exclamation point?
If you could explain your comment, it would be very interesting.
I feel that without the presence of human beings life in the world might feel a bit boring, cosmically speaking. So, yes, God would be bothered indeed if we all check out collectively. But unfortunately there exists so many j-rks in the human family that God might appreciate a collective human extinction because the 'innocent' animals would at least live in peace and happiness thereupon.
It all now depends upon God's skills in computer games. We keep saving our progress when inside a computer game, don't we? So that even if we get killed by a sniper the next second, we can load the latest of our saved games and kill the sniper without wasting time.
Maybe you, DE, meant, He does start over all the time.
Maybe he does so with the birth of every new soul.
(PS Your answer was intriguing, but so vague. Vague answers baffle me. I am sorry if I was too demanding in wanting more explanation.)
I'm kind of on a mission to cleanse the "religion & philosophy" forums. A good experiment. That angler thread wasn't directed at you, but it was a link on a sequence that is rebooting the matrix.
We have been, and will always be, on the same page.
You also knew me as Prodio. Banned too, finally. However, the experiment has been successful. :-)
He might not feel like starting over again, but for us, He would.
What do you think God thinks about the destruction of unwanted embryos?
If humans die off or kill themselves off in some manner, at least the pain felt by embryos (they have a nervous system, after all) of being chopped up and vacuumed out will cease.
A chart on page 22 of the institute's 25-page study released in 2012 estimated that worldwide, abortion rates per 1,000 women in that age range fell to 28 percent in 2008 from 29 percent in 2003. The organization estimated 2008 abortion rates by region were:
43 percent in Eastern Europe
39 percent in the Caribbean
38 percent in Eastern Africa
36 percent in Middle Africa and Southeast Asia
32 percent in South America
29 percent in Central America
28 percent in Western Africa and Eastern Asia
26 percent in Western Asia and South-central Asia
19 percent in North America, including the U.S.
18 percent in Southern Europe and Northern Africa
17 percent in Southern Europe and Oceana
15 percent in Southern Africa
12 percent in Western Europe
http://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/abo … id/638599/
Better then speculate what "God thinks" about... anything , is knowing what he already said " My thoughts are not your thoughts"..." As the heavens are higher then the earth... so are my thoughts than your thoughts..." For me it does mean to get closest possible to His thoughts (?!) to be able to say something right about " unwonted embryos." Hogwash ! ( Sorry for my direct language.) There isn't such a thing as unwonted embryo in God's economy who is the creator and a giver of LIFE. Speaking to the prophet - this sets a precedent - "Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Before you were born, I set you apart for my holy purpose..." Every single life has a purpose on this planet of earth, to accomplish a unique assignment 'here' and " now" no other person ever would. Now, if any crooked murdered shorten that life prematurely interfering in God's plan and purpose of accomplishment, guess what? Will that be unnoticed? No way my dear. We are witnessing to horrible sufferings and pain of individuals, families and a nations who are murdering babies thus bringing upon themselves curse that follows as a result of rebellion agains established principles in this orbit. God the Creator has given long time ago many "written good advices" what not to do in order to avoid self-inflicted suffering , pain and disaster... Every caused pain is well registered , though those tiny bodies can't tells us, the expression of the nature is echoing that " pain"- only if we listen to the news and watch falling apart systems. ( We do not need to talk about.) Rather we will pray and rejoice, because of the promise given by the Master "Rejoice - when you see this -because your redemption is near.
I appreciate your response. And you leave us with merciful tidings of hope rather than hell. We create hell. We do. Yet you bring us us to the bright side:
<"Every caused pain is well registered, though those tiny bodies can't tell us, the expression of nature is echoing that "pain." - Only if we listen to the news and watch systems falling apart.
(We do not need to talk about it.)
Rather, we will pray and rejoice, because of the promise given by the Master, "Rejoice when you see this because your redemption is near.">
A sense of urgency helps.
Thanks for sharing your insights.
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