We're all racist in some ways. But racism by white people seems to be more newsworthy and gets more attention than racism by others. There are many people who work hard to not do anything to offend their fellow human, but it's impossible to escape prejudice - it's hardwired into our bodies.
Nevertheless, whites are expected to make more of an effort than other races to combat racism within the ranks of other white people. If racism is the root of so many problems, why isn't it looked upon as an equal challenge for all people, not just white people?
The left wing media's denial of non-white racism, in fact, fuels the white supremacist organizations.
I don't believe it is hard wired into our bodies. As a child I wasn't aware of color. I think it was probably when I hit high school that we became aware of it.
I know my son wasn't aware of it. I remember when he came home confused because someone told him he shouldn't play with the neighbor's daughter because she was black. It was funny because the ones who said it were foreigners. It kind of irritated me that they would bring their prejudices to our country.
Interesting inquiry to say the least.
Yes, racism is an extension of a tribal mentality, but civility demands that we rise above our baser instincts if we hope to survive as a species.
Since white males have the dominant wealth and power in America (that is documented), racism from this source means discrimination that can affect your life. Where do black people have comparable power and resources? You don't need to be concerned about what I think, just simply shrug your shoulders and move on.
So it's jealousy then? Does that fact mean whites need "knocked down" a peg because of our successes?
No, but have not much of the success of the white culture comes at the expense of the non-white minorities? Has it really been fair?
No, it is not about jealousy, people are always going to put those in their own tribe first, that is natural. Simply stated, all of us do not see the current scenario as something that whites should brag about as something that they have earned.
Yes, Caucasian success in America was & is somewhat still at the expense of non-Caucasians. Caucasians used racism to establish sociopolitical, socioreligious, & socioeconomic hegemony in the United States & most of the world. Caucasians imparted their language, culture, & ethos upon the countries they colonized. Caucasians also imparted their racial preference as in many societies, the Caucasoid/Europid beauty standard is considered to be superior. Non-Caucasians who approximate Caucasians/Europeans in looks are oftentimes granted more access to socioeconomic success than Non-Caucasians who look more ethnic.
Also, the theory of Caucasian racism towards non-Caucasians are based upon underlying jealousy & fear of genetic annihilation(Dr. Frances Welsing, The Isis Papers). Caucasians have melanin recessive while non-Caucasians in varying degrees are melanin dominant with Blacks/ Africoids being the most melanin dominant. To Caucasians, racism is a bulwark against genetic annihilation. According to many Africentric authors, Caucasians secretly wish that they had more melanin & since they don't, have an underlying envy towards non-Caucasians which they express by subduing them as they fear that if non-Caucasians really have full sociopolitical, socioreligious, & socioeconomic power, the former would be completely annihilated. So racism is practiced by Caucasians as a way to retain their genetic power so to speak.
I follow the first paragraph.
The second paragraph includes an elaborate explanation that may well be too complex for the situation. Do you think that fear of genetic annihilation was really the motive? I think that the explanation is far simpler, just the maintenance of power and wealth among their own, and just another way to eliminate competition for hotly contested goods and services.
But, I have seen pictures of lynched black men in the South burned alive, flayed and genitally mutilated after death, all among crowds in a surrounding carnival like atmosphere. This goes a level or two beyond the most loathsome of the gangbangers. I cannot understand that level of hatred toward any human being, even the Nazi's were not this sadistic. So, I have to allow for any possibility.
I have seen pictures of blacks in worse shape in Rwanda at the hands of other blacks.
I have seen, under the Third Reich, white on white atrocities.
Rwanda is not the United States of America with its vaunted ideals of the equality of man. As the leader of the free world, trumpeting democracy and equal rights, I have the right to expect more and I do.
The conversation about hangings et reminds me of the horrors of war. Fragging is a term that was coined during the Vietnam war. Officers and other military colleagues were hung by their own men or killed by grenades and other means, an estimated nine hundred. The lack of discipline was to blame.
We can all be more virtuous.
Crowds gathered for centuries to cheer at hangings and executions. Public torture was another way to draw a crowd. To say Nazi's weren't that sadistic ignores mountains of evidence of what the Jews were subjected to in concentration camps.
We all have the tendency to sympathize with the history of the group we feel most associated with but past atrocities do not give ample justification for present prejudices or injustices. Don't we have an obligation to build a better world?
It simply seems to me that all people with whiter skin are somehow held responsible as a group and viewed with suspicion because of any action of any white person or white controlled government over the centuries. White people in America with no power to enslave, no desire to marginalize and no thought of infringing on the rights of others should be viewed as such and should be treated equal under the law and in the eyes of their fellow citizens.
There is power in being identified as the victim. I do think many currently alive who have never been in the position of being the victim attempt to gain power by insisting they are entitled to play the victim and receive preferential treatment because others have suffered. This fuels current prejudice, expands it and sets the stage for future prejudice.
I hear you L to L, absolutely we have an obligation to build a better world.
I don't think that it is white and black, it is cultural. I had visited Germany in 1978 as a young man while in the military and the racial vibes simply were not there. I could 'lower shields' realizing that racism in America did not necessarily transfer to other societies. The racial animosities that were a part of American culture that you had to always psychological prepared yourself to compensate for, simply were not there. Ask Grace Williams, she will corroborate this for you.
I am not blaming anybody. If Africans had came to America via the Mayflower with superior technology (gunpowder) and the natives on this continent were white, the situation would have been identical to what is transpiring today. White folks may well have been saying 'we shall overcome' instead. I say that because I look around the world and I don't see any group or ethnicity that can claim to wear a halo relative to any other.
I said that about the Nazis because it appeared that what mayhem they did commit toward Jews and other undesirables was not something that they invited their wives and children to observe. Those public lynchings in the South were 'come one and come all'.
We can't return and readdress the past. It does not matter, who ever has the gold, rules That principle transcends racial animosity. In this American culture the whites have the gold, relative to others. That involves economics, political power and cultural influence. It is about power and maintaining it, and the Anglo-Saxon European got the luck of the draw in this reality, today. But, the situation could have been reversed under different circumstances. I am not speaking of individual people but the culture at large.
While not asking for preferential treatment, it is not too much to ask that people acknowledge that circumstances were unfair and while strides have been made to improve that record, many problems still remain. So, to say that racism has the same effect on whom it is directed within this culture regardless of which direction it comes is inaccurate. We cannot escape the past as it has a great deal to do with where we are here in the present. Is anyone willing to take the cookie jar, toss it, and reorient everything so that we all start from the same point? I doubt it. My grandfather who worked in the railroad industry could not be a railroad engineer regardless of his talent,(1940s) as he could not be hired for such jobs because of his race. This was told to him many times, so how much more successful would his progeny have been with the additional income and prestige?
I am all for letting 'bygones be bygones', but we would be foolish to forget what has transpired and the price paid for what progress has been made.
You can't floor sort the cookie jar. And, attempts to 'correct' are always less than perfect. We have a bank here in this state. It's in other states too but I am particularly aware of it because of my interactions with it. Apparently there was some question of its hiring practices and it chose to 'correct them'. What we ended up with were multiple branches throughout this state which suddenly had black women as branch managers. But.. and this is a big but. They weren't really branch managers. They had none of the responsibility, none of the power to make decisions and none of the power to be an active and positive force in the community. They were managers in name only. I see now that their titles have been changed to team leaders. I suppose, in response to the collective chuckle garnered by pretending that any positive action had been done by the bank.
I wonder how the tellers who worked there for years felt. Being passed over in order to have a 'corrective' action put in place. Was it fair to those women? No. Should they suffer because of past actions by others? Not in my opinion. I don't think harming the lives of some, to compensate for possible harm done to others makes sense. What it does is start the cycle of abuse again. Just with different people. Now, I suppose it could reasonably be argued that if we bounce back and forth, correcting transgressions, harming a few to compensate for what may or may not have happened to others, eventually we may reach a point where it is all over and no one will be hurt anymore. And that may be true, or not. But what is definitely true is that these actions create animosities toward those who are given preferential treatment and they are justifiable animosities. I shouldn't pay for the sins of another and neither should they.
Hard to say. Was your grandfather qualified to be an engineer or did he just want to be one? If he had been a different skin color would he have gotten a job as an engineer? Would he, had he gotten the job, retained the job? Would he have gone on to other things? And, I don't know how your family works but apparently not like mine. My success is not in any way tied to the success of my father. No opportunity was given to me that would not have been available otherwise because of my connection to him. Yes, I did receive an inheritance upon his death but that isn't enough to change my stars or that of my offspring. Yes he was well liked within the community but that does not raise me in their estimation; that I am aware of.
Whatever program is being used at the bank is just an attempt to check off boxes. The program, that I presume you are speaking of Affirmative Action? Yes, it is not fair to put clearly unqualified people ahead of others without any basis besides race. But, I experienced hostility when I was hired for a plum job in the Civil Service. The disgruntled fellow workers said that I was favored only because of Affirmative Action, much like Trump says about Obama and his Harvard pedigree. How credible does that sound to you? It did not matter that you were qualified to a greater extent than those malcontents, YOU were not supposed to be there. If it were not for such programs mandated by the Feds, I would not be hired at all, period. The program was designed to make sure that we had a chance to compete, not provide preferential treatment. The program was created specifically to address the fact that whites were always treated preferentially in the employment process, keeping otherwise qualified minorities out.
Grandpapa had the same qualification as those that were given the jobs during that period. My point is that wealth is a generational process. And we know that wealth and its influence gives the offspring advantages. We also know that those with the greatest opportunity for upward mobility are those whose parents enjoy a relatively affluent status, so the idea of pulling ones self up by ones bootstraps is overrated. I can't speak to your individual case, but I can document the general truth of the transfer of wealth and influence among families. Of course, the affluent tend to pass on their status to their children, who can deny that? Grandpop was told explicitly why he could not qualify for the job as there were no black engineers and no one wanted to start a precedent. Back in the 1940's, nobody needed to say that they were sorry and the push for equal employment opportunity was decades into the future.
So why did it take so long for Jackie Robinson, a superb baseball athlete, to be allowed to play in the major leagues? If you think about this, then what I tell you here will make more sense.. How much money did he and his family lose because of his race, as he was the best and not allowed to compete?
Look up wealthy blacks and see how wealthy they tend to be.
Caucasians are the only ones capable of practicing racism because racism entails power of the dominant over the subordinate in terms of determining the access &/or quality of education, housing, health care, living conditions, jobs, & other quality of life issues. Although Blacks & other non-Caucasians can be prejudiced, they can't be racist as non-Caucasians don't have the power to determine the access &/or quality of education, housing, health care, living conditions, jobs, & other quality of life issues.
The word defined - the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
Sorry, but your SJW narrative doesn't cut it
GM Williams is absolutely correct! Your denial is predictable because this accurate assessment doesn't fit the racist narrative you want to promote. I also saw in this thread you commented something about black people needed to earn your respect. I had to laugh when I saw that. Isn't 400 years of free labor, and 100 years of Jim Crow enough to get just a little bit of respect? And you should be thankful the black people here didn't do what the Haitians did to their oppressors. I'd say the black people in the U.S. have been more than patient.
And I'm sure you couldn't have missed the FBI report in 2006 warning that the KKK had infiltrated Police Departments across the U.S.. That was ten years ago! What do you think the KKK have be doing in those blue uniforms for the last ten years Ralph? I'll help you along:
They have been facilitating the flow of drugs into black communities throughout the United States. And it's a win, win, win, for the Klan. They help to destroy the black community with drugs, they incarcerate young black men who start using and dealing the drugs that they helped to provide, and they get a nice kickback from the sale of the drugs.This is how they are destroying the black community, in the light of day, by trading their white hoods for a blue uniform. And when that's not enough they get their kicks by shooting Tamir Rice, or Anton Sterling, or by lynching Sandra Bland.
And so, the African and the Indigenous are being oppressed by two different sides of the same coin. The U.S. government and the Klan. But you never figure these details into your "I'm not racist but ..." narrative.
Need a little cheese with the whine?
If someone offered me drugs I'd refuse. If someone were actively selling them in my community I'd do everything possible to remove them, or if I couldn't I'd move.
The blame game is fine but it cannot fully remove the need for personal responsibility. This is one thing missing from the discussion. If you buy into a system you can't expect others not to question why you don't opt out.
So are you suggesting that Tamir Rice should have been responsible and not played with toy guns in the park? The only problem that black people have is the same problem my people have had for 500 years, and that is the problem of white supremacy. And it looks like people "are" taking responsibility. Black Lives Matter, Jesse Williams, the Mexica Movement, A.I.M. and a host of others are speaking out and taking action against this evil system. Yes, we are going to whine, and march, and do whatever is necessary to bring this dog to heel.
Martin Luther King and Malcolm X were both righteous men who wanted the same thing, but Martin made the mistake of thinking you could appease and pacify those who hate you; those who want to keep you down; and those who want to kill you. Love and Peace look good on paper, but even Jesus could not pacify the evil that stands behind white supremacy with Love and Peace. He was hated by many, and then hung up on a cross.
Malcolm X said of Martin Luther King:
"He got the peace prize, we got the problem.... If I'm following a general, and he's leading me into a battle, and the enemy tends to give him rewards, or awards, I get suspicious of him. Especially if he gets a peace award before the war is over."
I do not believe that this statement necessarily tarnishes the legacy of MLK, as he fought, suffered, and was murdered just as Malcolm X. This statement , more importantly, reveals the cunning and insidious nature of the white supremacists. It reveals how an evil system co-opted the Civil Rights Movement by exploiting the popularity of MLK and his message of non-violence. It is absurd to suggest that a non-violent, oppressed group of people, can win a war against another group who does not hesitate to use violence against them. Since when did the U.S. government use a non-violent approach to Imperialist Aggression? Since when did the Zionists use a non-violent approach to their oppression of the Palestinian people?
All of these governments who stress non-violence use violence as their ultimate tool of diplomacy. The most horrific example of this in modern times is the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And if anyone in the peanut gallery wants to suggest that the U.S. government, or Israel are simply defending themselves with weapons of mass destruction, then you have only agreed with my position! Because that is what the black people are doing now. They are attempting to defend themselves against an enemy who has been attacking them for 500 years! And that enemy is white supremacy. Police Brutality is just one manifestation of white supremacy. In the late 60's many believed that our goal was equality. But today that is not our goal. We have no desire to be equal to a rapist, a thief , and a murderer. The Colonialist Invaders gave us Jesus and told us to love our enemies. After which they proceeded to rape our women, steal our lands, enslave us, and commit the greatest act of genocide in the last 500 years. What kind of a fool would love this kind of enemy? We are all out of love. Today, our goal is total freedom from white supremacy. And we will accept nothing less.
In war more often the numbers of people win. When whites are reduce by 5% in the next 20 years, people of color win. Just a few bad apple whites need to be locked up anyways.
When the 'law' conducts themselves in an unlawful manner I am a firm believer that they should be held to the letter of the law and if found guilty punished to the full extent of the law so, no, I don't think Tamir Rice was responsible. I would ask how a community allowed itself to devolve to the point that a 12 year old playing with a toy gun could be perceived as a threat. I could ponder why the parents of a 12 year old boy would stay in a community which had devolved to that point.
That is what I was talking about when I said blame, even fairly laid, does not negate personal accountability. No one is 100% a victim. I am a firm supporter of the BLM movement. I just don't support constant whining negativity which appears to only hope to achieve something for absolutely nothing.
I suppose you missed the whole point of the Jesus story. Oh well. Martin Luther King didn't.
You got me. I agree with Obama when he said something to the effect that if someone was lobbing scud missiles into his backyard where his kids were playing he would be surprised if someone had a problem with a reaction from him.
Your comments are, again, a prime example of the problem. Whining, whining, whining....without any attempt to see the problem from both sides. I'm sure whining has some cathartic properties but it exacerbates a problem.
I suppose you believe an attempt to spare the lives of service men and women who had not been party to starting a world war should never have been taken into account. The aggressors should have been given each and every consideration the non aggressors were not given. I'm afraid war creates tragedy. Don't start one and you might avert some of that.
Can we all say 'overly dramatic' together? You aren't going to get any points with intelligent and thoughtful people of color with that little chicken little statement.
Who, out of curiosity, is we? You aren't black. I hear you aren't native american. You aren't latino. Can I assume we have a case similar to Rachel Dolezal here?
I could care less what a racist American thinks of me. No more than I care about Earthworms, Fire Ants, or Vultures. If you had educated yourself, you would know who we are. We are the Indigenous First Nations and Mixed Race People of North and South America.I have been fighting these racist dogs since I was a child. just as my Father and Mother before me, as they were great warriors.
Furthermore, "Native American and Latino" are derogatory terms that are no better than the "N-Word". "Latino","Hispanic", "Native American", and "Indian" are genocidal terms that are being used to erase Indigenous identity. I would never shame myself and say that I am "Native American". That would be foolish since my people existed on this continent long before the Invaders came. We are all Nican Tlaca.
Somehow, nothing you say as to who you are is believable. I just fed 50 native Americans on their walk toward Washington. They identified themselves as such and each shared which tribe they were from.
Not one among them had anything to say remotely similar to the vitriol you are spewing. They were positive, kind and it was a pleasure to feed them as they stopped in their journey.
I doubt you are anything other than an American mutt who wants desperately to be a victim. I've met many of them over the years. Very, very sad.
Your analysis is remarkable only for the fact that you actually created a composition that consisted of more than a soundbyte.
Anyone who refers to themselves as such may mean well, but they are not educated. Their minds have been colonized. We are working to de-colonize the minds of the people, as they have suffered through 500 years of genocidal policies. Furthermore, just like in the black community, there are those among us who want to appease the white man; they want to go into the melting pot and forfeit their cultural identity for a piece of the American Pie. But they are only traitors, and I have more respect for the white supremacists. I have more respect for Ralph, since at least he has the courage to express his true sentiments, and to be himself; not a caricature created by another race of people.
I have well documented my race in Forums online as well as various Hubs I have written. I am not a PC person. Because of your uninformed and insulting commentary, you are not deserving of a quick and easy answer. If you want to know, then you can find out on your own.
Your attitude is just as demeaning as what you label 'the white man'. Agree with you or be trivialized, marginalized and insulted. You may have more respect for Ralph (whoever that is) but you garner no respect for yourself by this attitude.
Considering the nonsensical and unrealistic comments you've posted thus far in several forums I have read through I see no reason to believe anything you write. So your 'race' is documented only by your word. Which, unfortunately, is not of much value.
LOL. Uninformed and insulting is most descriptive of you. Not anyone else.
Come on LtL, he might be insulting and uninformed and arrogant beyond belief, but you can't tell me you aren't attracted to his raw sexual magnetism
Apparently, it is you who are attracted to me because even though I have not invited you, you keep talking about me and following me around like a troll. If you are Gay then you should understand that I have no interest in that area, so perhaps you should look elsewhere. I can only imagine how boring your life must have been before you realized an intelligent person like me actually existed. Of course you will now respond with another derogatory comment. How boring, and how predictable. Goodbye!
do I need a formal invitation to mock <personal attack snipped> such as yourself?
Do "trolls" readily mock people they are attracted to?
Who is following who around? I replied to LtL. You in turn butted in, uninvited.
Of course, they are all watching you now. They all know that when someone continues to insult another person, over and over again, in three separate Forums in the course of one day, that the person they are insulting must have really gotten under their skin. And of course, that is exactly what I did, although that was not my intention. Some people can run faster, and jump higher than others. You'll just have to get over it.
You are angry because I did not give you a thumbs up for the first post that you made which was quite detailed, but of very little substance. You must have spent a lot of time on that post, and so you were offended by my lack of interest. In the future , if approval or acknowledgement of your efforts is that important, you can save yourself some time by posting a short comment first and then see how they respond.
How is your race, or anyone else's race documented? How do I know if you are a man or a woman, black or white,young or old? How does anyone know these things unless they personally know someone? The fact is they don't. Even if someone sent a birth certificate to you Fed Ex, ( and who's gonna do that?) how would you really know it belonged to them? The point is, everyone's race here is only documented by their word, including yours.
Furthermore, I happen to care that innocent people have been getting murdered by the cops my entire life. I am all out of love and patience, and so are a lot of other people obviously. And I doubt very much that I have insulted you. I have strongly disagreed with your opinions but I have not attacked your character. And if I did please show me where. You, like many others here cannot tolerate someone with a strong conviction and a differing opinion, and so you falsely construe that as being insulting. You are also insulted that I have no respect for an evil system that you seem to admire. That's something you're just going to have to get used to. People are getting educated and starting to understand the fiction of American Democracy.
He's getting his talking point directly from http://www.mexica-movement.org/ I didn't realize they were still around, lol.
And so what is the implication? I have had the pleasure of being acquainted with members of the Mexica Movement. They are very intelligent and friendly human beings. I am proud to know them. They are not cowards looking for the approval of their oppressors. They are educating our people and bringing back the culture and identity that was stolen from us by the evil colonizers. And their movement continues to grow!
I also get my talking points from a variety of other sources. That's how people educate themselves. Howard Zinn, Ida B Wells, W.E.B Dubois,Henry David Thoreau, Tecumseh, Emma Goldman, Errico Malatesta,Karl Marx, Malcolm X, Thde Lakota ,The Aniyunwiya, A.I.M, Bartolome de las Casas, MLK,and many other sources. Many of my talking points are also related to my personal experience with racism in America, along with the fact that my parents were Civil Rights Activists.
This is why I know that much of what is said in these types of Forums is based on hyperbole and emotion, but very little fact. The majority here have not taken the time to study and to contemplate the history. Nor has a majority taken the time to explore current issues; issues and events that receive little or no rotation in the mainstream government controlled media. And most importantly, it is not possible for a white man to understand the meaning of racist oppression in a country where the white man is the majority.
Do you really think People are not that concern and educated about racism that the only way to be concern is to act out of control of the situation with violence.
Race and wars have been around for centuries only large numbers of life lost because of racism and inocent people are killed who are no part of the issues
Man takes life .But its God who can undo all evil acts and return it.
But he will not create the same world with players of violence.
No can you control your temper and attitude on this subject.
Because what you do now is a test of your faith that your Heavenly Father can do anything.
Even end racism.
Remember when we arrived on this planet it fucntion with out us on it.
It can still function without us when God intervenes.
But will we keep living here as he grants it or will he remove the problems which could also include us if we act in violence.
What do you think this scripture is talking about.
Isaiah 2:4 says ' nore will they learn war no more'
Either we fit this or we will be the ones removed.
Mat 26:52 'Those who take up the sword will parish by the sword.'
Proverbs 2;22 says for the wicked will be cut off from the earth.
But the righteous one into everlasting life.
We might live here, but we do not control the future to keep staying here it is granted.
First of all, people who are trying to oppress and kill you don't care about Peace and Love. How much Peace and Love did Martin Luther King get for preaching non-violence? It did nothing but earn him a bullet, just like many others. Tyranny and evil cannot be appeased, as Neville Chamberlain and Adolf Hitler reminded the world in 1938.
But you are the one talking about violence. I am talking about education, and freedom from racial oppression and tyranny. But since you brought it up: A majority of Americans support violence when it appears to meet their own ends. How many times have you heard even Christians say that we need a strong military to defend our freedom? I have heard this lie so many times it makes me nauseous. The United States has the most well armed and well trained military in the world. How does this jive with Pollyanna and Jesus? If a majority of Americans truly believed that Peace and Love were the answer, then they would be turning the other cheek instead of using weapons of mass destruction.
Many Americans want to have it both ways. They want to kill and destroy when they claim they are being threatened. Yet, when the Black and the Indigenous are being threatened and murdered, they admonish us to be peaceful, and to love our enemies. But the charade is over. Just as they say: No Justice No Peace. The mainstream has had 50 years since the assassination of Martin Luther King to end the systemic racism and economic oppression of our people. But they have done nothing but fuel the Imperialist aggression of an evil government with their tax dollars, while spending their time watching soap operas, shopping at the mall, and buying new clothes, new houses, and new cars. What you see unfolding before you now is nothing but the hand of God. And God is with us, not with our oppressors.
And you will note that I say "our' people. I and the Mexica Movement stand with BLM and the black people. As a child, it was not the black people who tried to force my Father and Mother from the 200 acre farm that they worked and paid for. My Father was also a veteran of World War II. And like many people of color, after fighting in the war, he returned home and had to continue fighting for his right to be a man. My parents were even forced on several occasions to arm themselves and violently confront the racist whites. God was with them, as they did not cower and back down from the evil Americans. Had my parents not fought back with violence, the racists would have driven them from their farm, or even murdered them.
No one is advocating violence. But we will not sit idly by and sing "Kumbaya" while our people are being slaughtered. Indigenous people are being disproportionately murdered by cops more than any other group, but the media has ignored this, just like they have ignored the killing of whites by the police. Being the majority, the cops are killing more whites than any other group. And so, the problem of killer cops is not only a "black" problem. We are living in a Police State, and every American citizen is at risk. The police must be stripped of their powers and disarmed. The American people are paying them to protect and serve. But even in the suburbs, people have more to fear from thugs in uniform than from the thugs in the hood. The Police,and the insurance industry, ( on behalf of the government) are also extorting money from the citizen in the form of traffic fines and other fees associated with the automobile. No one is addressing this issue, and what it amounts to is legalized organized crime. Whether he is killing you or not, "Officer Friendly" is not your friend.
Thats the problem you say the people who want to kill me do not care about peace. Well was those people the ones who gave me life in the first place? No
Did they create the planet God gave me to live on, No . Do they feed me, no .
So the one who gave me permission and caused me to be here is more powerful then any human.
Next true King marched for peace.
But it is written he marched . but did the Heavenly father validate this. Many times people push ahead of God thinking they will solve all the problems and make a name for themselfs .
Not once do I remember him making a name for his creator Jehovah. Psalms 83:18 also Jesus says I have made your name known in the Lords prayer. King did not.
So I follow my Heavenly Father not humans .humans fail.
People only remember his name king thats all.
Next you can not put out fire with fire
It does not work .
It not for humans to fix all our problems in the 21 century it is worse not better.
People just die because of sickness not race.people die because of accidents not race. People die from mental disorders not race. So instead of looking at this one hole in the bucket racism. We need a new bucket replaced.
And it will rather we want it or not.
Please, I am a student of History. I have heard the exact same argument presented by racist Christians during the antebellum. The claim then was that a violent overthrow of slavery was not "God's Will" and that the people should wait for God to intervene. Well guess what? God did intervene. And the next day over half a million lay dead on the ground.
Whether you like it or not. There has never been a peaceful revolution in the history of the world. And your remark about MLK is precious. King was a minister, and a man of God. He often spoke of God in his sermons against racism and inequality. His famous , "I Have A Dream" speech is one good example. Furthermore, I am also a man of God. But I do not fit the European "Stepford" interpretation, and so many of you will not recognize me as such. Like many others, what you cannot understand, and that which has not been verified by your overlords, does not seem real to you. Yes, there is a God, but that God is not as the European, or the Jew have defined it. They are in error, and their arrogance has blinded them to the truth. The God of the American people has his face on a dollar bill, and so the living God takes no pride in an abomination. And I have been elevated by God, not by man.
The comment about "chicken little" is most telling. And there is only one reason why you would make a statement denying that the sky is blue. You claim to support BLM, but that is hard to believe in light of the fact that you accuse me of "whining". I have to laugh because if that is your perception then it doesn't jive that you would support a national organization that is "whining" far louder than I could ever whine. And they've also got thousands of people all across the U.S. marching in the streets and "whining" right along with them. And I can hardly believe that you find the views of BLM to be any less radical than my own. In fact, I am obviously less militant because I didn't take the time and effort to form a group like BLM. And so, this comment, just like the others you have made concerning my post, simply doesn't make any sense, as I have shown.
No one has denied the sky is blue. Are you certain you can read?
Honestly, I'm related to black people and work with quite a few. Not one of them is too far off from my personal opinion on the matter and we all support the movement. I will take the word of people of color whom I am closely acquainted with to the whines of an internet troll any day of the week.
I support the premise that Black Lives Matter. I support the belief that we should all be treated with the same respect under the law. Now, there may be some more that you are attributing to the movement. I don't have to agree with you on every point to be in the camp of those who support BLM. You are not BLM I think, if you could get to that understanding of the matter, it might help.
They are demanding what I support. Not your vitriol. I wouldn't support anything that pits Americans unfairly against other Americans. I won't support anyone who claims to be disadvantaged when there is no evidence of such. As in your comments on this site.
I can only assume that you do not read what you write.
I can understand why it doesn't make any sense to you. I don't see much evidence that you are capable of following the thoughts and comments of others.
You claim to support something and then contradict yourself repeatedly. Black Lives Matter stands for the same thing I have been talking about: freedom from a system of white supremacy. And using hateful language and calling me names is only a slight upon your own character,not mine. I do not resort to such pedestrian tactics, nor do I need to win an argument. In such matters there can be no argument. The truth stands above all and I stand with the truth.
As I have said, we are not looking for equality, for we are not equal to that which we tower above.The racist mind is corrupt, and can bear no fruit except for the fruits of evil, which are violence and death. And so, God has come to trim the orchard..
LOL. I don't see anything on the BLM matter official site to support your claim. But, you have consistently made false claims during our exchange so I see no reason to believe you will suddenly opt for the truth.
That from a racist mind. No one (no one decent, that is) believes themselves to tower above their fellow human beings. It is talk such as that which fuels genocide and injustice. But, since you have made claim to be 'more human than human' I am not surprised that racism is your jargon.
There will be no orchard trimming. To be honest, I think you are probably just an aryan who is attempting to make people of color look bad. To that I can only say job well done.
That's actually funny.We are not wooden Indians, or the little jockeys holding the lantern on rich white peoples lawns. We are an intelligent race of people, and we are claiming what is ours, whether you like it or not. Your disparaging remarks and attempts to discredit me are laughable, because I am not the head of the snake. And so, your vehement attacks are only wasted words. Just like the hacker group Anonymous says in their wonderful videos: "We are Legion, We do not forgive, And we do not forget". I will also add: "We are not going to lose ourselves in a melting pot designed to erase our culture, and to erase our identity." And so, whoever you are standing beside , regardless of race, trust and believe, you will not be standing beside me.
And if it makes you angry that someone would say that they tower above the evil white racist. Then that can only mean one thing. I will let the world fill in the blanks.
Agreed. I will never stand beside racism and prejudice.
Actually, I didn't think you were talking about towering above whites. That isn't what you have consistently said. Those who believe themselves better than their fellow humans are usually very, very far beneath them.
The white racist is not my fellow human being.
Not being a racist I'm not sure how to respond. You label me racist which makes you racist for applying a label for no better reason than you think you know what my skin color is. The funny thing is you apparently don't.
You are my fellow human. I am sorry that you are filled with hatred and I hope that you find some peace.
Live to learn you just touch my heart
With your last statement .
You just showed what we all can do !
Live it .act it out, maintain your worth and good qualities I love your words 'you are my fellow human ' may you find peace.
So blacks & other non-Caucasians can be prejudiced without being racist because they don't have power, thus giving them the power of being prejudiced without being accused of racism, a power that whites don't have.
"as non-Caucasians don't have the power to determine the access &/or quality of education, housing, health care, living conditions, jobs, & other quality of life issues."
Care to expand on that? Is that including people like, I don't know, the President of the United States?
Another racially biased and predictable response. Archie Bunker and Bull Connor would have agreed wholeheartedly with you. And since I am sure you don't know who Bull Connor was, do a web search and educate yourself.
Not as predictable as you continuing to call me racist in lieu of an argument.
I’m not surprised that you think guilt by (presumed) association is a valid argument. If you don’t know what guilt by association is, you ought to follow your own advice, do a web search and educate yourself. Or carry on being <censored because Hubpages doesn’t want me to offend the sensibilities of individuals who are themselves disparaging and insulting to others>.
Why should anyone want to entertain the thought on either side it is just wrong on either side.
This exist but are we allowing society to mold us in its mold of hate .prejudice.
No I will not allow hate to make me weak to hate. Nore give them the power over my mind I own. We can do good with our lives or we can do bad. No one can drive my ship but me. Letting others influence you to hate is being a follower. No do good with your gift of life if in the future life will be judge on all conduct not in.local courts but the Heavenly Supreme Court of law and morals.
People can do as they wish but it is a test to see whats truly in your heart.
Psalms 37:11 'But the meek will possess the earth.'
Matt 5:5 'happy are the mild tempered they will inherit the earth.'
If we are not in control of our hearts and actions we will not be the ones that will be given this earth.
We all on watch and we will all be dealt with.
Racism is human nature. Birds of a feather flock together = Racism.
Well, to answer your questions racism is not equal because it happens more with racist white people because they think that we should still be slaves. I have read every reply on here and I am just like wow at some of them. What did I just step into? LOL.
The privileged (white, male and middle+ class in the case of America) are more ridiculed (ie newsworthy and gets more attention) for their actions being racist than any other group because most other groups who they tend to be racist towards have an institutionalized disadvantage towards them. And that makes the "racism" (whether that be the intention or not) hurt all the more. If you want this oversimplified it's: "white people are seen as racist because they already have all the advantages so the minute they speak out against any other group it must be because they're trying to take them down."
As a white, middle class member of society I think that a little prejudice towards my actions being racist is the least of the worries I could have.
People can be bread and raised on being racists even teach their pets how to be. If you teach your child who knows no one but you as their guides in life and you have no reason to doubt their reasons then you allow this thought to be your reasons to be prejudice. Only by the time you grow old enough to decide for yourself by experience or anothers , will you change your opinion . it sorta like the old saying the blind leads the blind. There are beautiful arrays of color surrounding our planet. Flowers. Planets , sky and moon. Water have reflections of color even in the rainbow
So human skin also is arrayed with beautiful color. Not to forget our animals have an array. The peacock is one of my favorites , and the white swan is breath taking, the black panther
coat is a thing of beauty .So why do people associate the color of skin with preduice. Igorance of what they do not know and think.
When 911 happened color did not mean nothing it was about saving a life.
Life comes in many colors and one day it could be another skin that may save our own.
Thats the color that matters.
Speak for yourself.
We are NOT all racist. That's often what a racist person says to justify their own racism. It's called a rationalization and has nothing to do with what's called "truth".
There are many more people who enjoy and respect cultural and racial differences.
Sorry, but psychology proves you wrong. I'm not just throwing out an opinion - I encourage you to do the reading for yourself. Many people are fantastic in most situations, but there is a degree of racism in them.
I have a degree with 2 years of Anthropology and studied this topic in detail at the highest level.
The type of person who becomes a racist has been analysed since the 50s.
Ethnocentricism whereby a group thinks it's better than another group as in culture ( or even a team sport etc) only becomes toxic when it putrifies into intolerance and feelings of gross superiority as in bigotry.
Racism is a very ugly extremely unnatural state of being whereby another human being is dehumanised. Usually plainly bigoted people with gutter "ethics" become and stay racist because they simply enjoy feeling superior especially if they can get away with it and beat someone up for "fun".
+1,000,000,000,000-Gordon W. Allport in his book, The Nature of Prejudice, detailed the psychology of the racist.
I'm sorry but your liberal arts associates degree seems to be in contrast to lots of published PhD professionals / racist actions are indeed something learned, but people are inherently subconsciously predisposed to be biased based on race. Disagree all you like, but you can't change human nature
You mean my degree in Fine Arts and Archaeology/Anthropology from Sydney University?
There is absolutely no propensity for people to become racist other than parental example. Try visiting a pre-school and watch all the kids playing together without a thought about "racism".
You're forgetting stuff.
I have heard racist remarks being thrown at every race. In my opinion it really doesn't have anything to do with skin color but power and the determination to stay on top. I think deep down every logical human being understand that the only race is the human race and we all exists in a variety of colors. Dogs come in different colors too and so does every other animal, but a dog is still a dog regardless of his color and a cat is still a cat. Greed, is the root of all evil and every excuse we use, including race as far as skin color, is just something we use as an excuse to live with ourselves.
Claiming that only the construct known as 'white people' can be racist - is a thing a racist would say. It's also the exact sort of pageantry which leads low income 'white people' to the shelter of white supremacy groups.
People fear all kinds of thing, including people who appear different. Racists work their fears up into a paranoid ideology which is immensely destructive.
Next time you feel alarmed when you see someone with a different skin color ask yourself if that fear is justified.
R.J. I agree with your statement. I've worked with non-American black people and I've met them when I was abroad. They just don't project the "aura", I don't know how else to describe it, that many African-Americans do. I will make an exception for the African-Americans that I went to college with and those with whom I work. They are educated and approach white people as equals, and they are treated as equals. I count several of them among my sincere friends. I believe that it is a matter of conditioning, and it is how we and they are conditioned.
Several black people have made statements in my presence that could be considered racist, and they didn't seem to notice that what they said might be offensive to a Caucasian. If the situation were reversed, they would have let me know that they were offended. I kept my white mouth shut and let it go.
There are Black Americans who each time they view Caucasian Americans, they see RACIST which isn't true in many cases. Many Black Americans have an us vs. them when it comes to racial relations. Black Americans who grew up in mostly Caucasian enclaves & interfaced w/Caucasians on an equal basis have little or no prejudices against Caucasians. Solidly middle, upper middle, & upper class Black Americans who interfaced well w/Caucasians from childhood are the least prejudiced towards Caucasians. It is usually Black Americans who grew up in segregated communities & neighborhoods who have the MOST prejudice against Caucasians. Also, it is the Black Americans in the lower, working, & lower middle class who are the most prejudiced because they haven't dealt w/Caucasians on an equal basis but as more subordinate-superior basis. As a solidly middle class Black American, I didn't find Caucasians to be a problem but other Blacks.....well, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.........I can say that I have faced the most prejudice from my fellow Blacks. As a child, I was called Caucasian girl because my aspirations & tastes were different. I listened to classical music, liked the Beatles & other Caucasian artists, spoke proper English, & also made good marks. Many solidly middle, upper middle, & upper class Blacks face derision from their lower socioeconomic class counterparts. I digress.
reading so far about RACISM, as if it were defined the same by everyone and tied to the tints of skins and colorings..huh ?// “Live to Learn” wrote also: There is power in being identified as the victim. I do think many currently alive who have never been in the position of being the victim attempt to gain power by insisting they are entitled to play the victim and receive preferential treatment because others have suffered. This fuels current prejudice, expands it and sets the stage for future prejudice.” …. Dana Tate wrote: ‘doesn't have anything to do with skin color but power and the determination to stay on top… Greed, is the root of all evil and every excuse we use, including race as far as skin color, is just something we us…” and credence2 “acknowledge that circumstances were unfair”
I too write for “we”, the “people”, mostly in this USA: the word “FAIR” and justice are words used, for purposes political, and convenience, but actually are only words, as the results are seldom agreed upon by both or other sides.
There is No-Fair in nature, in the cosmos [as we’ve learned about it from prejudiced humans].
There has never been “Justice” by opposing sides/ people’s/ tribes, et al. Compromise and adjusted settlements are made but one or other repeats the “no justice” and “no fair” forever after anyhow.
Because it is a human wish and attempt, vs. a fact of our lives. I think. Therefore I have not found any “Fair” or “Just” act, person, or incident, taking all contexts and those involved in that too. But we all hear, read, learn that those in most power are acting or ‘trying’ to be fair and do justice it’s due. ha ha
been into any courtroom and found ‘justice’ there ? only if the winner was asked. but the others disagree. Found a judge who is totally incorruptible or just or fair ? They wear the attorney’s elevated black robes of power and are not accountable, most often.
Fair is what they say they do, but the results are “just not” always/often/mostly true.
So we can wish and try and pretend and proclaim all we want to about how it “should be” and that is the mantra forever used as an excuse and desire for what is Wanted.
but the Results that count in any tangible, palpable way are Not as claimed. Knowing this reality helps in diminishing disappoints that reappear anywhere.
Make a complaint or criticism and you are called “unfair” and wrong too.
Make a request, and that too is often labeled as “no fair to others” as an excuse for denial. Make a deal, and both may get ‘some’ and still know ‘that was Not Fair, but..ok, we’ll take what we can anyhow”…
Please prove this understanding wrong….and face what is, vs. what is wanted. Like “hope”….that is a future wanting to be. No Fair ~ and no 'peace' either....
yes, while the ideal may continue to elude us, we all have an obligation within this society that enshrines the concept of the equality of all, under the rule of law, to insist that these high minded ideals are to amount to more than just mere words.
credence2: do you mean "try" ? and 'to insist" means what in actuality? How do you enforce your ideals on others who disagree and want different/ more? what is more than 'mere words' besides tangibles, sensated ?
wishful idealistic thinking is fun and prevents suicides - but doesnt do much fairly nor justly, i have found, not just 'think'. duh..... no fun? true.
Grew up in Oakland California in the 60's and early 70's. Had black friends. During race riots they were as scared as anyone. Some were angry some were not. It depended on their families. I have recently spent a lot of time with a woman of color who taught me much about anger in ethnic communities. I was clueless. I'm not anymore. She learned lots about the white people from me too. We have tons in common. There is so much honest anger, and pure lying floating through our society that needs to stop. - Don't teach a man to fish. Give him a family who will help him to be honest, have respect for himself, and will teach him sometimes when you fish you don't get any fish. Give them the love to press on to the next day with new skills and when the fish might be hungry.
Hillary just romanticized that ....." white Americans need to do a better job of listening ......" how intellectually bland a response to the all out stupidity of TODAY"S racism. What "white "Americans need to do is fight back against the utter stupidity of such a non-cause . Racism is more powerful a presence FROM the black community as is directed against them , even black media pundits are saying that . There isn't one element of true racism in the inner cities that wasn't born of modern day teachings and manifestations of localized liberal leadership ! Truth.
I say "TODAYS " racism because , for all intents and purposes , today , it is a fake accusation ! The majority of near cures of historical racism are simply in the past as well , the accomplishments of the fifties and sixties race dialogs were WAY more positively proven . Affirmative Action accomplished far more in the past than today. I believe the major problem with organizations like BLM is jealousy . WHY? Given the vast sets of minorities in America today ; blacks have categorically failed to positively utilize the benefits of forward looking social accomplishment!
Why are Hispanic , Asian ,middle eastern , European , eastern European or even Canadian immigrants of today far more likely to move upwards than their black counterparts ? Maybe because of personal accountability ? Maybe that simply the color of ones skin ALLOWS for self centered focus on a negative construct in personal accountability . Professional victim-hood ? My point , I can't get away with that , a middle easterner can't get away with that , A Canadian can't get away with that , a Hispanic can't either . How much of todays problem is simply ethnic self exile ?
Just askin '! We can ALL spend more time thinking about this ,if you ask me .
Those who cannot ;
This is where you call me a racist ...........................
I read your thought provoking post this morning, thank you. Here is something that I'm sure you will find interesting, if you haven't read it already on Breitbart, its titled "Common Core roots lie in ties between Barack Obama, Bill Ayers".
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government … ill-ayers/
Of course terrorist Bill Ayer was the founder of the Weatherman and is a communist organizer. Ayer and community (communist) organizer Obama began the "white privilege" hoax in the education system in Chicago. Their focus isn't on education but on indoctrination into radical political ideas, and tribalism...of which began years ago, now we are seeing the manifestations of brainwashed angry, hate-filled Social Justice Warriors and Black Lives Matter. The SJW are told they have to pick sides, and if they are not on the BLM side then they are "white privilege" racists.
I hope I explained that well enough, I'm sure you are aware of it already, but I'm learning.
ADDED: A news video with Inforwars anchorman David Knight explains this situation we have very well.
Seriously? Seriously???? So, in your opinion, are we to assume you don't think Black Lives Matter? And, social justice is a derogatory term to you?
No lives matter more than any others - social justice isn't about equality, it's about reparations - everyone in America has the same rights - when people choose to live in such a way that society fears them then they will be treated accordingly
Social justice is not about reparations. It's about a fair and equitable world and if you think we all have the same rights and are treated equally.....take the blinders off and look again.
agreed ! I am not treated fairly. But then there could be many prejudices and discriminations involved. which one to choose ? #1 or #13 or #564 ? oh, my my skin color is the main determinant ? or my behavior or attitude ? or is it my poverty or wealth or costume ? which ? why ? oh, why me !!???
We have the same rights - please show me rights blacks don't have that whites do.
that is bs, RJ. "What people live in a way that society fears them?" Comeon, is it fear or racism?
In every country where the government was overthrown it began with anti-cop demonstrations. That's true.
Multi-billionaire George Soros brags about overthrowing governments and has an extensive list. He isn't the only one throwing money at the schools (and media) that brainwash and politically indoctrinate young minds to get them so angry that they cause mayhem in the streets when they are triggered by events. Just push their buttons!
I don't think we need to be so grandiose about this. Attention is being directed toward the inequity regarding law enforcement and the criminal Justice system from the BLM. That attention is needed and those that support this cause through their participation or financial support is OK in my book and gets my 'Bravo'. The fact that so many conservative types are intimidated by this movement means it must be a good thing. I say to them 'carry on'.
who said: " ok " ? ok until 5 police get shot dead because the 'movement' shouts loudly that they are not needed, until they have a personal emergency, meanwhile all police are 'obviously' racists and prejudiced...against only 1 small group of people - 13-14% of all in USA ? huh ?
still ok? you get to be ok with whatever you chose but you speak not for any majority, i dink.
One man is responsible for the shootings and used the otherwise peaceful BLM protest as cover. Should I blame all whites for the Dylan Roof racially motivated shootings last year? We will always insist upon our Constitutinal right to peaceably assemble without all the participants being considered terrorists. Of course, I am not surprised that I don't speak for the 'majority that just as soon see this concern of ours swept under the rug, out of site, out of mind.
When you can step back and see it you will know its a total red-herring.
I want to see the government reformed for the better (not overthrown by Globalists), and the police force reformed. I don't like this anti-police state that has been created by design by lunatics.
After a 15 hour shift and likely the worst day of his life, this Dallas Officer had one thing in mind.
I am a believer in 'due process and local government' and thus the police. So, if I have to pick a side, I am on the side of due process, not anarchy and destabilization...because then I can be apart of reform. I want the US to be a better nation that is apart of a better world.
We are suppose to either side with the police or side with BLM. I cannot choose a side in that because its a false paradigm. We have foreign multi-national social engineering programs (on record) that have been used all over the world to overthrow government and to destabilize regions...they are in-effect in scores of nations. Globalists are manipulating our internal affairs to turn us against each other and start a civil war.
Divide and conquer.
So, when I think about which side to choose, its George Soros or our local government. Its the New World Order,... its Goldman Sachs, its JP Morgan, whose financing the anti-police groups, whose funding open borders, whose funding mass migration. Obama actually announced 15 corporations led by Goldman Sachs and JPM that are bringing foreigners in themselves. This country has been hijacked.
George Soros has captained the destabilization in other countries and taken the credit. Obama and Hillary are his pocket- puppets.
You don't have to either support police or BLM. I can support both. We are not at odds. BLM have issues with abusive police procedures, that been far too frequent, not the police in of themselves.
I think everyone has an issue with abusive police procedures.
Did you know that George Soros put $34 million into Ferguson in one month alone to fuel this anti-police movement? And, the Ferguson shooting turned out to be a justified case.
Do you think a cop wants to shot a guy? No, because he knows his life is over. Just had the Baton Rouge and Minneapolis shooting and its the end of the world because they create the perception that police are just mowing black people down. 250 something in 2015 out of 10's of millions of people. Its a total mind game to divert attention from double black unemployment, to divert from being targeted with medical experiments, to divert from mandatory prison sentences that Bill Clinton put in place.
This will cause so much white racism now, and black racism to clash us against one another and that's what they want. There were 990 people shot by police in 2015 and almost all of them were justified. All of them weren't justified. 90% of the deaths in Chicago are black on black, and those murder numbers are just going up, BUT, we don't hear about that because its not the cops. So, people aren't aware that 1000's of black people kill each other every year and its not even an issue, BUT, 250 something get killed by cops and its the biggest issue this country ever saw. This country is on the edge of civil war and being destabilized by George Soros and multi-national foundations.
The thing is this is a synthetic program. I have looked at most of the clips of Black Lives Matter going 'oink, oink, bang, bang, your dead'....'dec the halls with dead cops, fa la la la la' ... this is an organized attempt to kill police and to cause so much fear that Loretta Lynch has to come in to reform the police. - Its like Al Sharpton said, we're using the police to federalize them. That's all this is, its a power-grab.
So, a black man dies in Minneapolis, so cops have to die in Texas because of the color of their white skin. A cop does something wrong in NY so cops get killed in MS...its total bull and its orchestrated. So, more killings of white people are coming which will lead to more institutionalization of black people, which is a part of the plan being carried out by Obama and it is truly sickening.
To movement have had plenty of peaceful protests in many American cities, none has been associated with violence. I never did get answer from you about the white supremacists that shot 5 blacks at such a rally last year, Minneapolis/St. Paul.
All of the problems for the Black community are there and have been there but police abuse of Black citizens will not be one of them. Of course, abuse by police will get more focusas it should, because I don't pay criminals to serve and protect......
Let's not forget about Roof shooting the people in the church. Those are 2 white supremacist cases that occurred last year. Shocking, because its nearly unheard of for white supremacists shooting blacks these days, or maybe its just not getting media attention.
In general, young African-American men are far more likely to commit crimes than young white men, young Asian men or young Latino men. A November 2011 report by the Justice Department showed that young African-American men are just 1 percent of the population, yet are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of murders in the nation.
St. Paul cops had their hands full with BLM protesters on Saturday, they shut down I-94. Several protesters were arrested. Demonstrators were throwing things at police, like bricks, rocks, rebar, fireworks...some officers were injured and their vehicles damaged. It was hardly a peaceful protest even though it may have been intended to be. Those paid crowd agitators know how to change the mood and turn people into a mob.
It is terrible about the man who was shot and killed recently.
Is there a difference? Blacks want people to fear them, blacks want to intimidate others, their actions scare people and when people are scared, they shoot first and ask questions later.
Where do you get that idea, RJ? Sounds like a stereotype to me, completely unjustified and one of the reasons the Black community have problems with too many conservative types. Perhaps, that is why we are afraid to vote for Republican/conservative candidates.
Absolutely not. Be open minded because I'm not taking shots. How many black gangs exist? How many black entertainers are all about the "thug life"? How many black athletes are about the thug life? Seems as if all the role models for young black people are trying to live the life of being a bad-ass, gun toting, thug. Isn't that behavior meant to intimidate other groups, mainly whites? Why are BLM protesters threatening private property, closing roads, etc. if not to intimidate whites into getting their way? The number of black conservatives is minuscule. Most of the black community is making demands for respect that they have not earned. I'm sorry, but intimidation won't get it done. I'm not stereotyping - just calling the facts how most Americans see them - people are scared of blacks and blacks enjoy that power.
Really as I read your comment you are fueling the fire of hatred.
You say most as of color. You say and stereotype people by clothes, you say all the things that would say you have a race problem.
Here's the thing most people in the USA are mixed , we have black, white , asian, indian, and many other races of blood through our veins.
The slave owners built a new society of citizens when they had children by their helping hands. The thing is you kill your own race when you say and stereotype any race we all are mixed.
Also we all are God's children made equal to live here just like any one else .
God gives life we have no right to say God has done wrong with color. It is a beautiful thing
And there is good in all races .
And bad as well .
But the one thing that matters the most is love
When we can not love our neighbors we can not nore will we know our Heavenly Father .
He created us all and is perfect.
How can we say you he is less
No man can add a day to his life
But God can give it and return it.
Say it ain't so, RJ? While reading and responding that last outrage of a post of yours, I could hear a persistent "All in the Family" jingle in the background. Did you not say that you were from Idaho? What is it, some sort of 'last outpost' or something? Funny, I had a business meeting in Boise a few years ago, was I missing something? I guess whatever is going on there is in the back country, the bushes?
Confession is good for the soul, they say. So let's get it all out there. I am going to have to unsheathe my pen on you here, but I don't want no hard feelings.
Why are you basing your bias on visual and print media? It was all about watermelon rinds and fried chicken during the period just prior to my birth. Who would have believed that that represented Black folks? Surely, you are sophisticated enough to be aware that Tee-Vee is, rather than a window on the world, not much more than a fun house mirror? For you to say such ridiculous things would imply that you have never met a black person in the flesh.
You have been duped by the media portrayal of black people, do I really have to tell you that the vast majority of everyday Black people put their pants on just as you do, have to eat, work, etc, to survive?
The 'reality' is not what it seems. So, turn-off the television and interact with people for real. Every man, woman and child are entitled to respect on an individual basis, not just when you decide that it is merited. If this attitude of yours and others is a foundation of the 'Trump Phenomenon' then I promise you, there are not enough of you and you have lost, already. It may bring the circus to town in Idaho, but won't work anywhere else.
I lived and worked in rural Montana for 2 years during the 1980's. While the people there were fundamentally unbiased, they were ignorant. I told them that my very presence among them was explained by my need to eat. We all educated each other on the universal nature of the human condition and circumstance. No, 'it' does not rub off, and, no, I did not know why Michael Jackson wore that silly sequined glove on his right hand, as I was not his valet. While, they all told me that they watched the 'Cosby Show' religiously, oddly enough, I never did. Everybody wanted me over for dinner to the point where I almost stopped buying groceries. But, at least, they were not bigoted, when presented with evidence they were willing to change mistaken ideas. How much of that credit can I give you Trump folks?
Because of people with attitudes such a yours, there are not many black conservatives. For any black or any minority, for that matter, to embrace that sort of thinking would point to their psychosis. When you talk of most Americans, lets qualify that. What you meant to say is 'most Americans like you'.
Your fear and racism, is evident as anyone can smell it. I don't know why you are so afraid, the vast majority of the nation's wealth is in the hands of the white man? Are you all afraid because you may be aware that this is not sustainable? Is this why Trump rings your chimes? You all are spooked so easily at the slightest implication that change is on the way. You needn't worry, in spite of demographic changes making whites the minority later in the century, the dissemination of wealth and power will take longer, probably beyond our life spans.
Who do white sagebrush rebellion people intimidating with armed assaults on federal property? Just an example of the double standard of the arguments you present.
I suggest that you go back and rethink everything, I thought that you were better than this...
The saying if it looks like a duck , sound like a duck , walk like a duck .
Its a duck
The same with people on this subject.
Nothing but negative fuel keeping this fire burning.
I know beutiful people on each side we worship togather, and none is trying to stereotype the other. We love each other
and will die for each other .So nothing you say sounds right no matter what you say
Even your comment is insulting to people who care about you.
Why destroy that ?
Absolutely true , everything you said is true . This administration is absolutely the worse instigator of hatred in America ! Isn't it ironic that the first black President is the worst advocate for a mature dialog on racism in America and at this time in America ! I'm glad that it isn't against the law [yet ] to call out racism ! Especially when it comes from the white house itself.
Racism has run into creating riots, mostly by the 13-14% USA nationally Black, aka African-Americans tho most have never been to Africa nor their parents either. While of mixed colors on skin and riding an urban Metro train, I observed a non-fat ordinary looking man sitting across from me, with legs spread, taking up more than his ticketed fare. I thought to be clever and funny, so said “you are funny…did you know you are taking up 3 seats ?”
[while our many homeless are careful to pack their property up tight into 2 seats mostly].
Instantly he blew up !! yelling loudly at me, accusing me of saying this “only because I am black [repeated 4x] …you are OLD…blah blah…slavery [explained as if i had no idea it occurred ] ….victimhood [he was victim to my words and he was a slave...]…”
He continued shouting while I attempted to explain my statement w/o saying negative things about him, carefully. Then 2 White men attempted to protect/defend him by entering into dispute asking me ‘why did you say that to him” taking up his accusation of my ‘racism’ ! I kept them each at bay by telling them not to interfere and he could take care of him [worse than that, actually ] and only when they realized they could not intimidate this elder women with wrinkles, they moved back into their spaces.
This was made-up Racism in defense of excessive use of Metro seat space / how dumb is that ? The outburst was intended to ‘tell –me- off !” and intimidate me & punish me.
but since I am not afraid of Black men, having ‘lived in the community’ long time and know many with whom we have honest clear relationships, he could not succeed.
But I was startled ! Racism hit me in a personal way when there was no connection I thought between his entitled-to-more-space-than-any-others and his skin color. Or was there ?
I learned to become less friendly and less trusting of people of that color now. The result of just 1 man’s blasting against me for having talked to a stranger, without malicious intent but with informative actual observation openly stated.
But that is Not allowed ! apparently. Where do we learn about racism ? on Metro ?
So, you ran into one eccentric nut, the exception is not the rule.
credence2 : is busy defending everything blacks do, even the unhelpful to unity and enticing riots when protests are intended by their families. So 'exceptions' can be dismissed, but not when they are bloodied or dead ? only criteria when exceptions are given elevated status ? huh?
and how easy to dismiss anyone else's experiences, while pretending irrelevance to anyone else's lives but their own ? huh ? who is this claiming to know-the-realities and know-the-truth over all the rest of 'us' ? huh ? get off the know-it-all-superior-stance trip, please.
What about every thing whites do? Who is enticing riots, are you a rightwinger? I only hear such things from them. I don't make general assumptions about groups based solely on one experience. Is this what you are advocating for here? I am standing level, it is you that wants to descend beneath the muck with your arguments.
credence2: a non-color-viewed person who likes to sling mud, apparently, saying "it is you that wants to descend beneath the muck with your arguments."
thanks. just the kind of sly mentality that denies others' personal experiences but then claims to know all about ....only one side of any story ? that's the same "muck" that comes around to those who sling it.
done. you can have the whole floor - while acting like those who have to insult and demean to try to win their views as maybe valid. some of us dont 'decend' and not into 'muck' just because you would like to see us there.
how did you think I would react with your "superior" comment. If you can dish it out, I haveto assume that you are able to take it.
The coversation is pointless, if you choose only to listen to your own echo.
You're incoherent, what are you talking about? One side of what story?
I am a humanitarian, that means that I am concerned about the welfare of people in general. I have compassion for the BLM and SJW, and for people who like to 'assume' something other.
We are all God's children, and He loves everyone.
A picture of people lining up in Baltimore to shield the officers from protesters! WHY DOESN'T THE MEDIA SHOW THIS?
They Get My Respect!
RJ racist hatred does not cut it either.
This is what wars are made of .and people create it by the words you use inferior , superior.
You have mentally put yourself in one of these categories. Through out history what was Hitlers final days like .
Superior became nothing he committed suicide.
That mentality does not work history proves it. Why repeat some ones failure.
There is no future in hating our neighbors.
But their is never and end to loving your neighbor.
Only the peaceful people will inherit this earth as written .anything else is doomed.
All life matters not just blacks all people matter .Yes its disturbing that people kill people. But did this just start happening. No ! It been happening all the time.
I seen where this mother just took and at gun point killed her own freshly grown daughters. Horrible. Now you want to know the race ! White.
This happen before these you posted.
The point is dont get stuck on race and color . care for the human race we all are being attacked by satan and using each against one another.
Why because he is a failure that is going to be replaced by Jesus Adminstration or rulership.
Things happen but not what we actually see . its what we can not see with our eyes.
No, that is where you are wrong. The life of an evil racist "does not matter" at all. When a man has a cancer, he does not lament the passing of the cancer. He does not cry for the tumor when the surgeon cuts it out and removes it from his body. The cancer of racism in America has grown and multiplied over the last 500 years. And it has manifested itself throughout the world. You cannot beat the devil by laying down with the devil. We cannot appease a cancerous growth, we can only cut it out.
The life of any individual is not ours to give or take.
All surgeon's are not licenced to do surgery they may be just students or book students.
But I am sure no one wants a Dr to opperate on his heart and he is a licenced
So if the evil man stands its God's responsibility to take care of the matter
We created no human nore can we return a life.
Its not our department.
Doing God work by judging and pushing ahead of him is saying he is not capable of his doing his work.
Its already written the wicked will be taken from the earth and he is the judge because he is perfect. We all are imperfect mentally and physically.
But what I like about you is your love that good persons should not be harmed by evil wicked people. I agree.
This post reminds me of a thread someone else started. He was extolling the virtue of the British Empire. Maintaining the peace, he said. Relegating entire populations to the status of second class citizens I thought.
But, if there are those such as yourself who maintain so much hatred toward other races that you cannot listen to reason and you call for the extermination of those races then, I have to wonder. Is subjugating a group of people who are so hellbent on violence a bad thing? If they cannot function in a peaceful manner within a civilized society, do their desires warrant an ear? Violence is not something any civilized society would like to see within its ranks.
What makes some crave violence? What makes some search for reasons to hate?
To "Dad's " everywhere ,
Hard to believe I know but There are some things that cannot be blamed on the white race in America , for instance , almost seventy percent of black inner city kids live in a home without a father --------70 % percent ------- That number directly relates to the amount of black teens charged with crimes , that number also correlates with the amount of young unwed parents , that number also is directly related to the fact that FULLY one third of abortions in America are the abortions of black un-born children .
Are we not supposed to use facts , statistics when reasoning ? It didn't take me long to either Google that up OR to reason out the problem with crime and ethnicities and their solutions .
White , Black , Hispanic , Native or Asian , want to keep your boys out of jail and alive ? Want to keep your daughters happy and leading positive lives ? Take a hard look at your troubled wife and find a reason to make the marriage work , GROW UP , and stay in your children's house .
What's really ironic onhorseback, is the fact that none of these "Sons of the Pioneers", including you, have made a peep about all the white people who are being killed by cops. In fact, being the majority, there are more whites killed by cops than any other race. Why aren't all of you good god-fearing, gun toting, Duck Dynasty watchin', Fox News lovin' white folk beating the drum about that issue? Of course I know the answer, but I would really like to hear yours. I hope you don't try to suggest that all of the innocent , unarmed whites, (men and women) who have been murdered by Cops over the last several years were all thugs who deserved it. White Cops are Killing White Citizens! But the white majority simply ignores it.I am reminded here of the Tin Man, The Scarecrow, and the Cowardly Lion.
Lets take this then as an answer then , YOU just answered the entire question of this debate . Does this mean we are all racists or all -not racists ? Of course white people are shot by cops , they always have been . When I was a minor there was a nighttime curfew in our city Pop. , 5000 !
At 9;00 PM the town fire / emergency alarm went off , this could be heard for miles . But being 16 or younger you had better be either at your own home , visiting at a friends for the night , or out with your parents Or one of the three police cruisers would probably find you walking on the sidewalk , hanging out with your buddies or wherever you were . If they found you out after curfew you would receive a ride either to the station and or to your home !
If you are reminded of the Wizard of OZ , perhaps its because you are seeing higher reflections these days ,be careful , you may be maturing , But then , that's the difference between those who constantly blame others for all the ills of a society and those who go out seeking their own shortcomings , finding their own answers to all the problems that ultimately and always begin at home .
It is not about race. Your country or you are only as strong as your weakest link. Work more on your weaknesses and have a better outcome and balance.
And you know this how , By Dropping out of the US ?
I know your elistist don't care for the middle class or poor anymore and much worst is to come.
I work for the people, not mainly for the eliteist anymore. That was the big change and healthier purpose.
So I'm an elitist ? You know , It's funny how I earn less than most people in America - $ 20,000 , a year , yet I tend towards the conservative . I knew something was really wrong with me.
There is no greater "RACISM " in this world------ than those who blame virtually every fault of their culture , their own ethnicity , their own family issues , their own marriage issues , their own lack of motivation ,on another color of skin . Many in America should be IN a race alright ..... a race to clean up their own house perhaps ?
As to Hub Page censorships , that's simply a" flag ' by those offended by too hurtful a truth ! You have to understand the elitist mind of liberally extremist educated people worldwide , If they cannot win by outshouting , out-screaming , out insulting everyone around them , Flag Em !
Hey ..........It's Far Better than trying to mature !
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