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New York State is proposing a free college tuition offer...

  1. jackclee lm profile image73
    jackclee lmposted 3 months ago

    Do you think this is a good move?
    We have been down this road before...

    NYC, CUNY used to be free back in the 1960-1970s.
    The open enrollment program reduced the quality of the school and later lead to imposition of tuition...
    Now they are trying to effect the State Universities.
    What is your opinion?

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      I don't like it.  Students can go through college without crushing debt as it is (although it means work, not play).  What it will accomplish is encouraging thousands of kids to attend, kids that will either never finish or come out with a degree that nobody wants because they're already full of college grads.

    2. Amelia Goldwin profile image61
      Amelia Goldwinposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      It seems like many of the parents have not considered the real economics of this program for an individual heading to college. What should be considered is the total cost of actually attending the college, which includes the tuition, living, and fees, plus the incidentals. The Excelsior program is offering about $25,000 over 4 years for the price of staying in-state. So I as a writing expert have considered all the costs. The private school costs about $45,000 in tuition and it seems about $15,000 in room, board, and fees. That makes the list price around $60,000, about that of most private schools. The list price at the public schools is much lower for tuition but about the same for the rest, leading to a total list of about $22,000. So look at the costs, subtract whatever financial aid is offered, remember that living at home still means you have to eat and get to campus, and ask yourself some questions:
      1. Is any difference worth the extra cost?
      2. Can you afford the extra cost?
      3. Does it mean loans? If yes, see #1.
      4. New question this year - Is it worth committing to stay in NY after graduation?

      What I see is an out-of-pocket cost of something a little over $30,000 for a private school with financial aid and living at home versus $15,000 for living on campus at the state school after the Excelsior. And multiply by 4 to cover all college years. So a difference of $60,000 in life cycle costs and a commitment to work in NY for 4 years.

  2. Rock_nj profile image89
    Rock_njposted 3 months ago

    If I understand the proposal correctly, students will have to meet certain academic standards to get free tuition, so it will not be a free-for-all.

  3. colorfulone profile image88
    colorfuloneposted 3 months ago

    New York is losing more people than it is gaining new arrivals, people don't like high taxes, bureaucratic red tape that takes 10 to 20 years just to get through, regulations, and for any other number of reasons. 

    Check out Islamberg, NY when you get a chance.

    1. jackclee lm profile image73
      jackclee lmposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      As with any good intention government program, it will lead to the demise of the SUNY system. All they have to do is look to the CUNY system and how it has been devestated over the last 40 years...
      They are a shell of it's former status.

      The other part of this plan is that the numbers does not seem to add up. Some accountants have done a contortion to make this work on paper.

    2. Quilligrapher profile image89
      Quilligrapherposted 2 months ago in reply to this

      According to the latest estimates, the population of New York State increased 1.9% between April 1, 2010, and July 1, 2016. The population declined by 50,000 (0.254%) during the most recent year.

      But as a matter of fact, I have been a resident and business owner in New York my entire life and never, not once, did I encounter "bureaucratic red tape that takes 10 to 20 years just to get through." This is just one more example of an unsupported statement from one source that turns out to be untrue.{1}

      I wonder why Colorfulone wants us to check out Islamberg, NY. Do you think it’s Islamophobia?
      {1} https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045216/36

  4. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 3 months ago

    I don't think the way to limit intake is to block poor kids, you can cap classes sizes by grade or other relevant factors.

    This is no innate good to charging students thousands of dollars is your don't need to.  I think this is a great move.

    And anyone who thinks there are any cheap 4-year degrees out there, well, hasn't tried to find one recently.