jump to last post 1-17 of 17 discussions (72 posts)

MYTH CHRONICLES: Atheism, Pragmatism, Socialism, Capitalism, Zionism

  1. usmanali81 profile image60
    usmanali81posted 7 years ago

    These ISMs are mostly based on Darwin and his Theory of Evolution, directly or indirectly. Darwin himself is evident about his work to be obsolete. So why do they hide the truth from human kind, why they are misleading the mankind for just a few penny gains???

    If people don�¢ï¿½ï¿½t consider it to be logical that the computer system which they are using right now is not a result of a mere chance or it is not built up automatically or it is not the product of the evolution took place in a heap of silicon or any other semi conductor rather a creator (scientist) created it, then why don�¢ï¿½ï¿½t they believe the same for the creation of whole universe and the only one creator (God -Allah) for it.

    Please discuss in a nice way smile

  2. profile image0
    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    ummmm, forgive me, but just how are you connecting all these ideologies/theories to evolution?  What is this, the ultimate 'ism' theory of everything?  Seems kind of like you are making an pro-Allah idea salad--with very little lettuce.

    1. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      smile why you took it so personal. Please, read the books of the founding fathers of all these ISMs and you will find how they were impressed by Darwin and his theory and how they used it in their ideologies

  3. profile image0
    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    I didn't take it personally--I was simply trying to be witty--an English as a first language thing.  wink

    But I have to disagree, although I'm sure there are tomes out there that have tried to connect all these things, for starters, Atheism:

    Originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), which was derogatively applied to anyone thought to believe in false gods, no gods, or doctrines that stood in conflict with established religions. With the spread of freethought, skeptical inquiry, and subsequent increase in criticism of religion, application of the term narrowed in scope. The first individuals to self-identify as "atheist" appeared in the 18th century.

    Before Darwin.  Further, only 2.3% of the world's population describe themselves as atheist, with the largest percentage (65%) being Japanese.  A culture that was not particularly influenced by any of these doctrines, as far as I know.

    1. Sufidreamer profile image81
      Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting that you should mention Ancient Greece.

      That's the problem - we have all of these -isms because we stopped worshipping the Greek gods. Unless we start sacrificing goats on the Altar of Zeus, we are doomed. wink

      1. Teresa McGurk profile image61
        Teresa McGurkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        male goats or female? does it matter? can I get some on Amazon.com?

        1. Sufidreamer profile image81
          Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If you cannot get hold of a goat, don't worry - send me some money and I will make arrangements on your behalf.

      2. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        you stopped worhipping the Greek gods, very well, nice job but you forgot to worship the only ONE God, The Greatest. You know what's the commonality between you and me ???

        The answer is you and I both reget all the gods (small g).

      3. profile image0
        ralwusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Right, Aphrodite rules!

      4. Jewels profile image80
        Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Praise Mighty Zeus, Master of Thunder.  Where do I put my goat?

        1. earnestshub profile image86
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The greek gods and their derivatives declare the human condition .. same as religions do. psychology makes good use of it.

          1. jonwenberg profile image60
            jonwenbergposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Just a bit off subject, but - Ernest Tubb? how witty; I loved that guy.

            I'm a bit outside of this conversation but I think about both evolution and religion often. My father, a biology teacher, used to remark that we (all humans) are the only animals that contemplate death; this would be the result of evolution (if things really do work that way). Religion on the other hand, would be our unique way of rationalizing death - a concious invention, but born of evolution.
            Any takers?

            1. usmanali81 profile image60
              usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Death is infact, a transition to the 2nd life ... the life after death.

              1. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                And naturally you are speaking from experience!

                1. usmanali81 profile image60
                  usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  knowledge

  4. Paraglider profile image88
    Paragliderposted 7 years ago

    I barely understand the question in the original post. But it seems to be making some kind of comparison between the development of technology and the evolution of species. The two are not related. When people talk loosely about technology evolving, they mean the process of deliberate improvement based on applied theory and practice. Technologies don't adapt to their environments. They are created for their environments. It's another false analogy. A technology needs a creator. That does not mean that the universe needs a creator.

    1. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why are you misguiding. From your last sentence, it's very clear that you got the topic very well. smile

  5. David Bowman profile image60
    David Bowmanposted 7 years ago

    We are the consequence of a chemical reaction; computers and any other technological device you can think of are not.

    1. Teresa McGurk profile image61
      Teresa McGurkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Is it possible to combine chemical reactions and switches controlled by binary code to make a biomechanical brain, though?

      1. Sufidreamer profile image81
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Don't know if you have read the whole Chinese Room debate or not - very interesting argument about the difficulties of defining intelligence and sentience. It has rumbled on since Leibniz, with no clear consensus.

        http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/chinese-room/

      2. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, it's absolutly possible, no doubt at all. For details, you can consult the latest developments and research in computing.

    2. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Dear, have you heard of genetic computing, molecular computing ???

  6. Mark Knowles profile image61
    Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago

    This is also another piece of writing copied from elsewhere - badly I must admit. In fact - so badly it is almost incomprehensible.

    Here are the responses from the thread this was taken from. Saves me bothering to think of anything myself. lol


    "What Darwin thought has nothing to do with why atheists don't believe your claims about Allah's existence.

    Atheism has to do with the fact you have no objective and
    verifiable evidence that God/Allah exists.

    Conspiracy theories are not evidence that Allah exists.

    There is evidence that humans made computers. There is no evidence
    that the universe was created by Allah. There is plenty of evidence that the universe occurred naturally.

    Complexity is not evidence that God exists."

    I did not write these. I am not here.

    Off to kill a goat as we speak. big_smile

    1. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Mark,

      my dear fellow, as i said earlier in the ISLAM forum, i can not resist my self to say it again, YOU ARE A FUNNY GUY lol

      Now, there is no plenty of evidence that universe occured naturally, because in the last 200 years of evolution theory only one evolutionist MILLER tried to experiment on it but failed badly.

      The Miller experiment failed to produce LIFE...
          -- Miller's experiment produced both right and left handed amino
             acids
          -- The mixture of LH and RH amino acids is a poison to life.
               -- All biological proteins have 100% left-handed amino acids.
          -- Amino acids are all left-handed in life
          -- When an organism dies, amino acids revert back to a mix.
          -- Out of thousands of amino acids, only 20 are suitable for   
             life
          -- When left alone, a solution of all left-handed amino acids
             revert back to a mix. 

      However, the experiment does supports the concept of Intelligent Design...

      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I THINK YOU HAVE ME BEAT IN THE IGNORANT RELIGIONIST DEPARTMENT though,smile

    2. onthewriteside profile image61
      onthewritesideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Mark, I've only been here a couple of weeks but one thing I know for sure is that I can always count on you for a sane, rational response.  I only wish that I had the temperament you have when it comes to dealing with these topics OVER AND OVER again.  I pride myself on being non-judgmental, but after a while it just gets so hard to bite my tongue....

  7. usmanali81 profile image60
    usmanali81posted 7 years ago

    Now that the failure of Miller experiment proved evolution to be wrong then why don't you just leave it.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol

      Now that it is clear you are just a political muslimist and your god does not even exist. Why don't you let it go?

      1. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Miller's failed experiment itself proves the existance of ONE God - ALLAH as the experiment was for disproving the existance of God and when failed in it's goal, it ultimatly proved the existance of ONE God-ALLAH.

        ISLAM encompassess every issue and matter of our lives even politics. Islam gives a detailed account how to do fair politics.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol

          You really are something. Thank you for reminding me why I am not interested in your religion.  wink

          1. profile image0
            sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah it's called, chop off their hands for steeling, cut off their knees for not bowing, smack their woman for not cooking a good meal and bomb the infidels (something like this).

            Political-religions... proves something but not God.

        2. Daniel Carter profile image91
          Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          With all due respect, every other religion's dogmas seem to encompass similar "catch-all" statements.

          It seems to me the argument about dogma, doctrine and exactly what is "right" is a never ending argument/debate that is as unsolvable as how the universe came to be. We make our best guess. Demented people claim they are "right." I rather try to avoid being right. Let others be right if they must. I rather focus on "good." There doesn't seem to be a heated debate about what is good or doing good. It seems universally understandable when doctrines, theories and beliefs only seem to cause more friction.

          My take, anyway.

      2. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Even atheists upgraded themselves to agnostics and started believing on the ONE True God provided that He has nothing to do with their lives, so you are left with no other choice than accepting the existance of God-ALLAH

        1. earnestshub profile image86
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Fortunately, and despite your assertions, we do have other choices.

          1. usmanali81 profile image60
            usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You had no other choice than accepting the existance of God that's the reason your atheist brothers converted themselves to Agnostics.

            1. earnestshub profile image86
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I not only have a choice, but also the sure knowledge from all your posts that you are a zealot.

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I second you he is a zealot, fanatic.

              2. usmanali81 profile image60
                usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                WHAT ABOUT YOU ???

                1. earnestshub profile image86
                  earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  No I am not a zealot, just outspoken when people try to force their beliefs on me I guess.

                  1. usmanali81 profile image60
                    usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Where did i impose ISLAM on you ???

        2. profile image0
          pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          ??????????????????????

          What about the goats?

          1. usmanali81 profile image60
            usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            ??????????????????????

            you keep them big_smile

  8. dipless profile image86
    diplessposted 7 years ago

    Also your interpretation of the miller/Urey experiment is one which I have heard too many times to count and it is flawed, It does NOT prove that the theory of evolution is wrong!

    Firstly the experiment used an aproximation of what was believed to be in the early Earths primordial soup...not an exact mixture as we do NOT know exactly what that mixture consisted of!

    Secondly the fact that the experiment created Adenine, probably one of the MOST important building blocks of complex life, which is one of the 4 building blocks of DNA and also a massive constituent of ATP which is the major energy releacing molecule found in life.

    Thirdly the experiment focused on passing an electrical current through the system to simulate lightning strikes on the primordial soup. This is one of the major problems of this experiment that lightning would not have been consistant and the amounts of amino acids which would have formed would likely been less.

    So what this does prove is that the experiment was flawed and not the theory... stop twisting analysis of experiments to fit what YOU want them to prove they don't prove what you are saying...find a better argument and try again.

  9. Pamda Man profile image60
    Pamda Manposted 7 years ago

    There's a guy on HubPages,
    Namely usmanali81,
    He has been trying for ages,
    But he never had won.

    So he went on to flame
    On earnesthub,
    To see if he could be blamed.
    But he failed to do so, so he went down to the pub.

    He got drunk, oh so very drunk,
    He had no idea whether it was day or night,
    And he went on HubPages to funk
    Everyone in his sight.

    The next day he woke,
    He found the forum in flames,
    And he thought it was a very big joke,
    And he finally started his game.

    And he went ROFL,
    And he did the LMAO,
    But he failed to foresee the storm roaring,
    That was going to come about.

    Usmanali81
    Who was now advertising Allah,
    Had no idea what he had done,
    Would make him be sent off to Guatemala.

    And finally that day came,
    'Allah' came down and laughed,
    Usmanali81 was banished and so ashamed,
    But in fact it was the HubPages staff.

    And once again the day was saved,
    By the administrators of Hubpages,
    And everyone behaved,
    In the following ages.

    Panda Man © July 2009

    1. Bibowen profile image88
      Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You should work for Hallmark...

  10. earnestshub profile image86
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Now this "knowledge" wouldn't have come from the quoran would it?

    1. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Does it matter ???

  11. Pamda Man profile image60
    Pamda Manposted 7 years ago

    Should I put my poem in a hub as well?

    1. earnestshub profile image86
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeh why not? it is a great poem.

      1. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol yeh it acts as a psycho therapy for earnest lol lol

        1. earnestshub profile image86
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          nothing wrong with psychotherapy!

          1. usmanali81 profile image60
            usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            yes, obviously ... LOL lol it's a special therapy to fix the wrongs in you.

            1. earnestshub profile image86
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You got something right for once. Now all you need to do is find a good one.

  12. Pamda Man profile image60
    Pamda Manposted 7 years ago

    秘密

  13. usmanali81 profile image60
    usmanali81posted 7 years ago

    We got off the topic which is:

    These ISMs are mostly based on Darwin and his Theory of Evolution, directly or indirectly. Darwin himself is evident about his work to be obsolete. So why do they hide the truth from human kind, why they are misleading the mankind for just a few penny gains???

    If people dont consider it to be logical that the computer system which they are using right now is not a result of a mere chance or it is not built up automatically or it is not the product of the evolution took place in a heap of silicon or any other semi conductor rather a creator (scientist) created it, then why dont they believe the same for the creation of whole universe and the only one creator (God -Allah) for it.

    Please discuss in a nice way smile

    1. profile image0
      Sidney Rayneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Curious....what do you think about the concept of The Singularity

      1. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Are you talking about the string theory ???

        1. Pamda Man profile image60
          Pamda Manposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Btw, singularity has nothing to do with string theory. It has to do with space time foam.

          1. profile image0
            Sidney Rayneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No that would deal with space-time continuum... wink

            1. Pamda Man profile image60
              Pamda Manposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No, singularity occurs when space time foam collapse in space time mat at one certain point that mass = infinity, therefore, point size of 0 will create a hole that will extend to infinity, and at infinity, singularity is situated. Space time continuum is about space-time travel.

              1. profile image0
                Sidney Rayneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Yes and according to your mathematical formula....apparently time travel is possible....among a few other things.

  14. profile image0
    Sidney Rayneposted 7 years ago

    No...technological singularity...nothing to do with theoretical physics...

    Essentially the Singularity is the theory that implies given our current direction we will reach a period in time where machines will be able to create more advanced and intelligent versions of themselves without our assistance or permission...

  15. Pamda Man profile image60
    Pamda Manposted 7 years ago

    Time travel is possible. But, traveller will die. From infinite radiation. If traveller survives radiation, he will die from suffocation under infinite mass pressure. If he survives, he can't get out of the wormhole because the other side is a black hole. He will be stuck in the middle and he will die when wormhole closes.

    1. profile image0
      Sidney Rayneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Naturally...exactly what you said....and of course time travel is possible.

    2. profile image0
      Sidney Rayneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Actually...granted you have the technology....you would have to manipulate black holes to create worm holes through both points of space and time. One side is not a worm hole...then the other a black hole....granted this seems to show a true sense of sleep deprivation that I am actually engaging in this conversation with you....no offense or anything.

      1. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sidney,

        You detracked the topic which is:

        These ISMs are mostly based on Darwin and his Theory of Evolution, directly or indirectly. Darwin himself is evident about his work to be obsolete. So why do they hide the truth from human kind, why they are misleading the mankind for just a few penny gains???

        If people dont consider it to be logical that the computer system which they are using right now is not a result of a mere chance or it is not built up automatically or it is not the product of the evolution took place in a heap of silicon or any other semi conductor rather a creator (scientist) created it, then why dont they believe the same for the creation of whole universe and the only one creator (God -Allah) for it.

        1. profile image0
          Sidney Rayneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hmmm....I don't know that I have ever "detracked" before....sounds like a horrible way to die however...

          I may have gone off on another tangent outside of the context of the topic...however I simply was asking for your opinion in regards to your mention of computers....which seemed to enter the realm of this tangent.

          Perhaps I am easily entertained...perhaps I am a glutton for punishment...or perhaps I was just curious what your answer would be. Ermmm...Thanks for clearing all that up though...hmm

        2. Pamda Man profile image60
          Pamda Manposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          May the prophecy 'The Interesting Incident of Panda Man' come true right now. If God exists indeed.

  16. Pamda Man profile image60
    Pamda Manposted 7 years ago

    Consider the traveller's body separated into two. One part in one universe. When the wormhole closes. A gruesome and glorious death.

  17. maven101 profile image79
    maven101posted 7 years ago

    I pray to Diana ( much better looking than the BVM ) and sacrifice old goats ( we have plenty in Jerome that ride these two wheeled vehicles called Hogs ) to her every month... so far it seems to have worked..I get an elk every year...

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I live in Flag; you need to sacrifice more goats, some of them come wandering up here.

 
working