Have You Reached Enlightenment?

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sweigandposted 14 years ago
I think of reaching enlightenment as being content with your achievements and are at peace with yourself. I am very pleased with how successful my career has been just out of college, but I still have so much more I want to accomplish.
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VioletSunposted 14 years ago
If you are speaking in a spiritual context of being totally aware of who we are, who God really is without the filters/perceptions of ego, then no, I am not enlightened.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Very humbling statements from you, sweigland, countrywomen. Thanks for posting.
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emohealerposted 14 years ago
No, I don't think that I have "reached" enlightenment.

I agree with so many of you that it is a continual quest. However, I do believe I have seen the light or lights, the glimmer that is, I know where it is at and the direction to travel. Sometimes I am more "enlightened" than other times. As much as I have seen the light that is, I still sometimes step into the shadows.

I do believe this is the actual ultimate quest and will continue the journey of enlightenment for as long as time allows.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
I see enlightenment as a life long objective to strive for. Not religious enlightenment which is anything but.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hhmmm ... since it's a life long process, that's the reason Bush did not achieved it yet and killed thousands of innocents.
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Miss Mposted 14 years ago
maybe... I don't know yet!
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  \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  when you do will you let me know, I feel I could learn from you
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Miss Mposted 14 years ago
I will, Brenda!
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
Possibly one stage of enlightenment could be ones seperation of religion to find individual belief and logic.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "You religion and country are part of your ego,
  For god, the truth even that one must let go. "
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Lol, I no longer have ego. Nice assumption "enlightened" one. We all know what assumptions do, yet I will not say, I will let you assume. I guess "enlightened" ones make assumptions with no bearing.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was backing up your answer and not going against it, you have misinterpreted it.I agree with what you said.
  Enlightenment makes one go beyond religions ,after that you have no attachment to any one religion.Your assumptions have no bearing.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am honest and will admit when I misread something. Maybe what threw me off is when you continue to use "God" when referring to enlightenment. While I believe in a God or Gods, none of religious teachings. Another thing that makes me highly question you is that you portray to know something. I believe a stage in enlightenment is to understand you know nothing. I am not set on my belief that one "has" to believe in God to become enlightened.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Its not believe, its become god, enlightenment- in light -the light of god.
  Enlightenment is not the end of knowledge at the same time it is the pinnacle of human knowledge where one knows his source or the meaning of god. Also called awakening as the human is in a dream like or sleep like state.
  Lets look at the masters like Zarathustra,Buddha, Jesus and Gurur Nanak.What do you think they meant by enlightenment?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would never claim to be anywhere near the same level of God or a God. I also believe enlightenment comes in multiple stages rather than 1 stage. One can have enlightening moments through life brodening their range of enlightenment.
  
  "Lets look at the masters like Zarathustra,Buddha, Jesus and Gurur Nanak.What do you think they meant by enlightenment?[/"
  
  I do not base my ideas of enlightenment on prophets as I do not believe in prophets. I do not look to religion for answers. I look to myself for answers.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I base my ides on the masters and not on mundane topics.Look into yourself and you will find the same answer the prophets have given.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again, I do not believe in prophets. This would be favoritism.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Whatever , when you do find the answer to who you are you will relate with my answer.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do not take this disrespectful, do you think you are a prophet or that you know the future of God?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know the future of god but yes I am a prophet and mean no harm to you when I tell you the meaning of enlightenment in the spiritual sense, in fact its my job to spread this knowledge.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is my belief that God would choose no prophet, this would be favoritism. I do not believe anyone that claims to be a prophet, I see this is as a blaspheme. I do commend you for free thought, however, I do not believe one is enlightened when claiming prophecy. My belief that a stage of enlightenment is knowing nothing while yours is prophecy. In saying, I do respect your belief to believe what you want, to each their own.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Okay but with my book rankings you do believe I have knowledge where god or enlightenment is concerned, I write on them ?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  One can write all they wish. Saying that you have power of words to influence someone is not the same as a prophet in my belief in which prophets do not exist. However, I would like to say I value your perspectives. If you was thinking like me or I was thinking like you, one of us wouldn't be thinking.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But Hindus believe the prophet who is expected now will write and unite the religions.Prophets do write books.
  Ha I agree at least we are thinking
  If you give me your email I will mail you an ebook of "Ponder Awhile".
  Zarathustra wrote the Gathas, Buddha the Sutras , Muhammad put together the Quran and the Sikh prophets wrote and put together the Holy Guru Granth Sahib.
  Muslims believe in two classes of prophets ,the one that writes is the greater one.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Unite the religions? As seen from the disagreements on this thread, I don't see you doing much uniting! lol. Give a brief detail of the book please.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Give me your email and I will gift you the entire book.This thread is about enlightenment and we have two different view points concerning it so yes we do disagree.
  Have a look at my hubs especially the poem Religions which took me years to write. for a sample.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I will try to read the book if and when I have time as I am very busy between work, here, work. I must say it is hard to give one the benefit of the doubt when I do not believe in prophecy yet they claim to be a prophet. My email is my profile name at gmail.com
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I understand, have sent you my book, hope you like it, got to go now will catch up with you on Monday, happy weekend.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have you lost your damn mind? You email me a with a "warm-up" then a amazon link to your $13.00 book? Are you a prophet or a profit? This is a sincere disrespect to my intelligence. I do not place judgment but see from your actions that you are no where close to enlightenment.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hello I sent you my book as a PDF, dont understand what you are talking about.Checked my sent email again and its fine.
  Also you dont know the meaning of enlightenment so you really cannot judge if anyone is enlightened or not.Regret gifting you my book if this is the way you respond.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do I need to read your entire book to hear your example of divine intervention? Just curious
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I mentioned earlier people come to me ,that is those who know me when no amount of money or doctors work and I help them out.
  
  By reading the book which is my soul you should be able to understand me .
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think I have a pretty good idea. I think you have a money driven agenda of selling your book by claiming you are a prophet and that you are enlightened. Pretty close?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, one more question. Prophet's of religious teachings often had power of divine intervention. Do you have any divine intervention to display?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have helped people who have come to me when they are in trouble and can find no way out. Some do call me prophet
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Please "enlighten" me with more detail if you will. I am talking about physical divine intervention, not mental.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry its private.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, you believe as much as any fanatic in all that. You have just substituted yourself for God. Great work.
  
  When a dog chases its own tail too long you know something is wrong with it.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You should know. Leave the good Marine alone, TK. He has an infinitely more interesting and inquiring mind than you do, Troll.... You should know personally about the dog chasing its tail, however.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you really have to call names, Ma'am?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  SIR, trust me, I know you've been called much worse than that.
  
  "When a dog chases its own tail too long you know something is wrong with it." ....your own words apply.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't really trust you on anything at this point. Don't feel bad about it though, I'm sure other people do.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I take that as a well-deserved compliment! Troll chasing is hard work. If only they'd ban you.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe you could address some point - any point - instead of just repeating that over and over and over.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But that's my point here. To point out that you are a troll interested in insulting people and stirring them up in something of an insidious emotional way--so they can best choose to deal with you as they see fit. Also to annoy you as you so annoy others (there is a whole other site outside of this one somewhat dedicated to your boorish behavior, did you know? Suppose that makes you proud). This technique is called 'mirroring.' It is a psychological technique one may employ to deal with abusive personality types.
  
  Part of enlightenment (but not limited to, certainly) is awareness of one's self and others.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  anjalichughposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The way I see it...the first step to enlightenment is (as you mentioned) to surrender yourself to the 'Unseen' and to accept that you know nothing. It's as if you clear your mind of all the preconceived notions and make way for the Eternal Knowledge to seep inside your mind, body and soul. What follows thereafter is absolute peace with no scope for any arguments. Your mind opens doors to higher consciousness and you suddenly are 'reminded' of your 'source' and 'destination'. That is 'enlightenment.'
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Correct its connecting, becoming the source, the Light.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That was a joke, right?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am glad you responded. Do you understand importance of ego? Do you have any clue of how ego prevents progression?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you really believe you have no ego at this point?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You did not answer my question did you? I am not perfect like anyone else. I will say I make a conscious effort to find humbleness.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh no, I have no idea about those things. Only someone as humble as you could ever have heard of such things.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You just said who you are, you have no idea. Your childish comments show your arrogance. You are simply too lazy to think.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, which is it? Childish, arrogant, or lazy?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You answer some of my questions or do you not like to think? Do you know who you are?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL! Ok, seriously now, you realize that trying waaaaay too hard to 'philosophize' does NOT make you come across as 'deep' or thoughtful, right? In fact, quite the opposite is closer to the mark. Just relax a little.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm quite relaxed, I don't debate from emotion. I do not have to insult you, you insult yourself, the funny thing is that you are the only one who cannot see this. You are also scared to answer personal questions.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you say so, but it doesn't come across that way.
  
  Then maybe you should stop trying.
  
  Ask me any question you like, but if it's a question of the 'stoned college freshman in the dorm at 3AM ' variety don't be surpised if it is not taken seriously. That kind of nonsense isn't 'deep' it's just meaningless nonsense.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  How can a person who doesn't acknowledge the prophets not have an ego? His definition of enlightenment is correct and not the prophets definitions.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have seen you in many posts with 1-2 word comments. Is it too much work to think? If you recognized humbleness and lost your arrogance, maybe you would be enlightened.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Like you?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  More 2 word comments. Your comments are very "enlightening".
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When did I ever give you the impression that I had any interest in 'enlightening' you?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The point is to enlighten yourself which you obviously have not done.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And how would you know that?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  From your words.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, which ones?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's so hard to choose! There are only three: 'LOL,' 'Bigot,' etc., etc.... Like I say, better off in a pub.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you suggesting you condone bigotry?
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
It works for some people and did for me once. then I got to asking ,whats my purpose ? why am I here?
I dont have all the answers and the journey is amazing..
btw marine hope you liked my birthday greeting , the good peeps showed me how to paste jpg files so I enjoyed finding that greeting for ya...
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hello there. Excellent words you shared. Thank You. Thanks as well for my bday greeting! I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about but will be sure to check the thread! Thank You
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Inspirepubposted 14 years ago
One who has experienced enlightenment has no need to claim to be "enlightened" as a result.

Those who take a moment of enlightenment and make of it a lifelong ego trip are no longer enlightened.

In fact, the moment one thinks "hey, wow, this is enlightenment", one has already lost it ...

Jenny
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So Zarathustra and Buddha didn't say they are enlightened and its all a big joke and they had a foolish ego.
  
  You don't know what enlightenment is Jenny and you keep making these foolish statements on enlightenment and how the masters think.
  This is ego.
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  Inspirepubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I seem to recall many quotes from the Buddha reproaching people for looking up to him as "an enlightened one". I am sure like every other human being he has his ego moments, but I have seen no record of him demanding respect - or anything else - because he had experienced enlightenment.
  
  I can't comment on Zarathura - I don't have any reference material.
  
  You cannot know what I do or don't know, Mohit.
  
  I don't preach it in these forums. Or anywhere else.
  
  The statements I make are nothing more than koans. It is your reaction to them which is instructive, not the words themselves.
  
  Those who choose to render judgement on these matters will use your responses as a gauge of the truth of your claim to have become permanently enlightened. I reserve my judgement.
  
  I cannot know what aspects of this existence you are choosing to explore freely, and which of your responses, if any, are based in striving or resistance. Only you can know that.
  
  Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.
  
  Jenny
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  From your statements is very clear to me you have no idea what an enlightened one is and write for the sake of filling up pages.
  
  I seem to recall many quotes from the Buddha reproaching people for looking up to him as "an enlightened one". I am sure like every other human being he has his ego moments, but I have seen no record of him demanding respect - or anything else - because he had experienced enlightenment.
  
  Buddha was mocked by some for claiming enlightenment and was asked for proof to which he said nature is my witness.
  
  I can't comment on Zarathura - I don't have any reference material.
  Zarathustra gained enlightenment by a river and was jailed for fourteen years for claiming it as he was called mad.
  
  I don't preach it in these forums. Or anywhere else.
  You cannot preach is correct so don't even try .
  
  The statements I make are nothing more than koans.
  Where are the koans before this?
  
  Those who choose to render judgement on these matters will use your responses as a gauge of the truth of your claim to have become permanently enlightened. I reserve my judgement.
  
  Cannot force anyone to believe just like the Buddha but I have to speak the truth just like Christ or Buddha or Muhammad or Guru Nanak.You don't know what enlightenment is .
  
  I cannot know what aspects of this existence you are choosing to explore freely, and which of your responses, if any, are based in striving or resistance. Only you can know that.
  
  When you talk nonsense about enlightenment and the masters I point it out like previously you made a stupid statements on the finger pointing to the moon and Buddha never said thoughts materialize.
  
  Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.
  I know that you don't.
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Garrett McLeeposted 14 years ago
Enlightenment is defined by the individual.
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
In my idea of enlightenment, I would say no one that "judges" anothers belief is enlightened. One may disagree, yet they will not judge. One can only debate with logic, not irrationality. Irrational Statements are not very enlightening.
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  Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is human nature to judge, but it is divine to think these judgments through before we proclaim them. I believe everyone is prejudice on some level. My idea of "enlightenment" in that sense, is to be objective. Always look at all sides of the argument. Some people are argumentative and there is nothing you can do to change it. Most racist people operate on fear and ignorance. I don't want to be afraid or ignorant. Racism is just a form of judgement. I like your views on judgment... (I know I keep spelling it wrong). You are very objective.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with much of what you said. As far as human nature to judge, I believe it is as well. However, this does not mean I will not be conscious of the moment and self-consciously make attempt to not judge someone. I believe there is a fine line that has to be found on an individual level between judging and debating. I believe judging uses irrationality while debate uses logic, if it is a "logical debate".
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  Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well stated, as usual. I don't believe that people make the conscious decision to judge, but must make the conscious decision to recognize and ammend it before they act upon it.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent
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my-success-guruposted 14 years ago
Yes it happened today. I am enlightened that I'm not enlightened! LOL
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pgrundyposted 14 years ago
"The way I see it...the first step to enlightenment is (as you mentioned) to surrender yourself to the 'Unseen' and to accept that you know nothing. It's as if you clear your mind of all the preconceived notions and make way for the Eternal Knowledge to seep inside your mind, body and soul. What follows thereafter is absolute peace with no scope for any arguments. Your mind opens doors to higher consciousness and you suddenly are 'reminded' of your 'source' and 'destination'. That is 'enlightenment.'"

You always put things so eloquently. I think is exactly right. It's kind of like remembering who you are, really. I think it's the ultimate act of remembering.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes awakening to your true self.
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
Pgrundy and anjilchugh, Thanks for posting.

Very wise and intelligent words from both of you in my belief. Thank You for thinking.
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DarwinsLaureateposted 14 years ago
"Sometimes the best answer is silence."

*drops a pin*
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Very enlightening pin drop!
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
In my belief, not in a religious meaning, It is my logic that it would be absolute blaspheme to claim one had the knowledge of God. While I do not think our creators intentions should not be debated, I would never claim to know the mind, one could only guess in my belief. When it comes down to things, I simply do not even know why the grass is green and the sky is blue.
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DarwinsLaureateposted 14 years ago
The biggest trick man played on himself was the belief he was adopted.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can you add more detail on that please
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  DarwinsLaureateposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I could. Maybe via e-mail. Otherwise, it'd defeat the purpose of claiming to be enlightened.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats fine , email will work. Thanks
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CarpetDiemposted 14 years ago
I'm still trying to make it to "just getting by"...
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If everyone could start by being satisfied with that important accomplishment there would be a massive reduction in pretentious hot air in the world.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep. And lots of one sentence answers. Writers are somewhat known for their 'hot air' verbiage, you know, sooooo unfortunately for those who can't muster it...and write lots of sentences, sometimes even stringing them into paragraphs, articles and books.
  
  You could take your 'stuff' to the local pub. I think grunts and "LOLS!" and other monosyllabic traits would be most welcome there!
  
  I think that would be very enlightening!
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Defending pretentious hot air? Really?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What YOU define as 'hot air,' given your pathetic agenda (if I even want to use such a pretentious word towards you) is generally just the opposite, so yeah, I will.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Lita, I don't think you will make any ground until he/her loses their arrogance, yet there is always hope.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Been there, tried that...tried to be nice to this 'person.' He started following me around with his crap. Sometimes (as a trained marine would know) you choose to go on the offensive.
  
  Now he's 'after' you--a person whose only offense it was to ask questions. Ridiculous.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not to go 'round the same circle, but do you really believe YOU have lost your "arrogance"? Really?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you think pretentious hot air is a good thing? This is why normal people roll their eyes at a certain kind of ...person (not necessarily directed at you personally)and dismiss them.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  YOU define 'normal?' That's so ridiculous for what you display. And I have no worries. I have always gotten along well with a variety of people. I can go from the working class factory (and have) to the boardroom to the society living rooms (and do).
  
  What you are really stating and how you present yourself (part of enlightenment is being aware or yourself and others) is just part and parcel to your insecurities. It's simple psychology. If you didn't feel inferior, you wouldn't need to troll around and be nasty to youngish guys who should be commended for asking good questions.
  
  Your problem, from what I can deduce, is your environment there in Cambridge, and how it makes you feel. You take that and focus on victims on the internet you see as proponents of the same elitism or whatever you feel is directed toward you in your real life.
  
  It's sad, not LOL! But whatever.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's a broad definition, but ...
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL. That says it all.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Guessing games are fun, huh?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What you claim as "hot air" is your excuse for being lazy to think, instead you assume you know.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is it your position that pretentious hot air doesn't exist?
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dennisemattposted 14 years ago
I would have to say NO, I dont even know what enlightment is. and because I am not logical, I skipped to the ending to post my answer....without even checking if somebody explained it anywhere...I mean, theres like, over 300 posts!!!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just out of curiosity, why would you say no? Thanks for posting.
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  dennisemattposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  no joke, I realy have no idea what enlightenment is. I feel like a jerk for not reading the rest of it but that TK guy and lita and all made my head hurt....saying all big words like pretentious hot air(wich I think might be a stuck-up hot air ballon?) and I skipped to the end without learning anything. so I have to say I am not enlightend. wich was to answer your original question.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Which makes you a lot closer to it than most here.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You speak on something you know nothing of because you only think of what you know which is truly nothing. You continue being content with what you know if that is what makes you happy. I do not know you but I will guarantee you one thing, if you keep your arrogant childish attitude to refuse what you don't know, you will not progress.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL! Too funny. Did you read what you wrote there? Take it easy champ, you're trying too hard.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What I said made perfect sense. You failed to understand because of your laziness to think. You are your own destruction as you have proven "champ".
  
  I wish your child the best, I simply wish they had a better role model.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Pay attention now:
  
  You see what you did there?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Write the rest of the comment. It made perfect sense as well, yet you fail to see.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "I admit I don't know you, but I guarantee several things about you that even someone who knew you very well could not possibly 'guarantee.'"
  
  That makes perfect sense to you?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It makes perfect sense when you add the rest of what I wrote.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Show a little class, *******. Mind the line.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Act like an adult so you can be a role model instead of a selfish arrogant little child.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You read what I wrote. Make note of it *******.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again, you have proven your irrational comments that you make from emotion, not logic. I cannnot debate someone or conversate when they refuse a logical debate or refuse to think.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How is that for your philosophy?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Please report him, Marine. I'm not kidding in that there is another site where many people talk about his incredibly boorish trolling behavior. And on that site, they use as many expletives as they want.
  
  I'm sure, as trolling is his goal, that he is proud he is getting away with this and has not yet been banned.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I will not report him, why? Because he is his own destruction as shown. Maybe he will one day realize to think. If it wasn't for him, we would not have examples of arrogance to display.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Put your embarrassingly ham-handed attempts at philosophy on hold for a second and pay attention:
  
  "Show a little class, *******. Mind the line."
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Brilliant, you are the downfall of society. You insult those for using free individual thought. You probably have no clue what that is as well for lack of thinking.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, I'm the downfall of society now! I never knew I was so important! Overdoing it a little? Relax.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again, a true logical statement.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You really think so?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  *sigh*
  
  And who in this or any other thread is not "using free individual thought"? You have used the word 'arrogant' several times now. You don't see a degree of arrogance involved in taking yourself so seriously while dropping shallow inconsequential banalities like this left and right?
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  dennisemattposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  did you guys know there is an arrogant thread going on right now too? ha...wierd...
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL! The air is thick with irony!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you would have read anywhere near all of these post's before posting for lack of thinking, you would have recognized that I do not believe in arrogance. My logic and belief is always open to debate unlike one whom claims to know everything when they do not know themselves. You obviously do not use free thought because you judge free thought.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "I do not believe in arrogance."
  
  Coulda fooled me! Read your own comments.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again, you have proven to be your own destruction. As I stated, a arrogant childish mind as yours will never progress. Do you feel like you are making progress?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you feel like you are in a dorm room at 3AM with a dime bag? 'Cause that's what it sounds like.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you feel like you are in a bar hitting people constantly? Because that is what you are doing verbally.
  
  Or maybe >trying< to train one of your animals (whatever they may be).
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You keep saying things like that. I think you may some violent tendencies you need to look at.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I will guess you have a record. Thing with abusive personality types is that they like to transfer their issues/problems on to other people. Check, check...
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL! More guessing! The imaginary world you are constructing just keeps getting more and more complex, doesn't it? Don't let your imagination run away with you though.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have an accuracy rate of approx. 80%. Other trolls (if they could speak) would tell you. Unfortunately, they are all dead.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The thing he doesn't recognize, he is the animal.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Go train dogs in a behavioralistic fashion. You have no place dealing with people. You must be jealous of Marine.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If it makes you feel any better, I don't know the websters definiton of "pretentious hot air" either, but at least you show you are thinking about it. That is always worthy of credit. Some have problems thinking as displayed.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Webster's couldn't explain it any better than this thread.
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dennisemattposted 14 years ago
wait..nobody told me what enlightenment IS yet....and this is in the education forum?....please dont get each other deleted!!!!!!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You have the read the 400+ posts.
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
Aren't we all?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not those of us whom use our human minds.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You should use 'who' not 'whom' there.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  On the large scale of things, does it matter?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You have a lot more to worry about than word usage.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just trying to help you out.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Appreciated, now go find yourself.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm right here, thanks.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What exactly?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  finding yourself
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, seriously now, maybe you would enjoy actually studying philosophy or religion or something. At this Point - no offense- you are just dropping superficial platitudes over and over. What purpose does that serve you or anyone else?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have a nice day.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes.
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
Of the things I say, am I the only one it makes sense to? If not, I am always open to debate.

"Logical Debate"
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