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John Lennon, "Imagine there is no religion,"

  1. usmanali81 profile image60
    usmanali81posted 7 years ago

    The supposed scientific justification behind humanism has been proven invalid and its promises vain. Nevertheless, humanists have not abandoned their philosophy, but rather, in fact, have tried to spread it throughout the world through methods of mass propaganda. Especially in the post-war period there

    has been intense humanist propaganda in the fields of science, philosophy, music, literature, art and cinema. The attractive but hollow messages created by humanist ideologues have been insistently imposed upon the masses. The song "Imagine," by John Lennon, soloist of the most popular music group of all times, the Beatles, is an example of this:

    Imagine there's no heaven

    It's easy if you try

    No hell below us

    Above us only sky

    Imagine all the people

    Living for today...

    Imagine there's no countries

    It isn't hard to do

    Nothing to kill or die for

    And no religion too...

    You may say I'm a dreamer

    But I'm not the only one

    I hope someday you'll join us

    And the world will be as one

    This song was chosen as the "song of the century" in several polls that were held in 1999. This is a good indication of the sentimentality with which humanism, lacking any scientific or rational foundation, is imposed on the masses. Humanism can produce no rational objection to religion or the truths it teaches, but attempts to employ suggestive methods such as these.

    1. Paraglider profile image88
      Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No, it wasn't really like that. John wrote a song. Millions of people liked it. End of story.

      1. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes it's really like that, Lennon was a humanist. He wrote the song and his peer humanists and Freemasons propagated it by our tax money. Even recently Obama acted as a joker while singing the same rubbish with innocent misguided children of America.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          And you need help.. seriously.

          1. usmanali81 profile image60
            usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            and you need a doctor .. very seriously

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Tell me usmanali is there anyone you don't hate? Everyone seems to be a Freemason to you.

              1. usmanali81 profile image60
                usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Did i ever say i hate Freemasons, i am just againsts them and i have a reason for that.

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Paranoia?

        2. Paraglider profile image88
          Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Freemasons, sheesh!

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      Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not all that familiar with the beliefs of "humanism", but I think the point Lennon was trying to make in his song is that there is so much violence heaped upon each other in the name of God, or borders, or cultures, or race! Remember, religion is a man made idea, each one espousing it's own view of god, it's own practices and customs and yet each remarkably similar yet all provide for converting the masses...why? If God is a good thing, then why should it matter which religion a person chooses to honor God? Why should we fight wars and claim "god is on our side"? Why should we convert others to our belief?

      1. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Religion is not man made rather all the ISM based doctrines are man made e.g. Humanism, Materialism and Zionism

        1. viryabo profile image87
          viryaboposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I disagree. Religion is man-made.

    3. Make  Money profile image74
      Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well you have to admit that the lyrics to "Imagine" does smack of the Communist Manifesto.

      Castro Unveils A Statue Of Lennon In Havana

      1. Paraglider profile image88
        Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You'd have to agree that Castro's view is not without merit. The Beatles were among the most influential figures in the century, and for a long time (though not latterly) John was treated pretty badly by the authorities.

        Have you noticed how many old dictators mellow eventually? Gadaffi is another. Wonder how old Saddam might have turned out...

        1. Make  Money profile image74
          Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Just showing that communists recognize John Lennon as a "revolutionary" hero.  I find it rather strange that the New Age crew are trying to make Lennon out to be a "saint".

          1. The Shark profile image60
            The Sharkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            As George Harrison said of John: "He wasn't a saint, but he was."
            One of the things that made all of the Beatles great, together and apart, was that they never forgot their roots. The remained humble people despite the enourmous success. John was killed just trying to be kind to a guy on the street asking for an autograph.

            The Shark---a Beatle expert

  2. webismine profile image59
    webismineposted 7 years ago
    1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      WTF?

  3. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Yes...such an evil sentiment like ending killing must be eradicated... roll


    I guess we should only listen to hymns...

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      badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Listen to Hymns but not Him smile

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    ryankettposted 7 years ago

    I am 100% non-religious, a complete non believer. But you know what, I never try and impose that on anybody.

    I happen to like John Lennon's songs. The Beatles are the best selling artists of all times and John Lennon was an incredibly talented musician.

    Then some idiot shot him because they thought about very simple songs in too much depth, a little like you are now.

  5. usmanali81 profile image60
    usmanali81posted 7 years ago

    That's the gift of ISM based doctrines as Humanism. No fear of life after death, no fear of God being watching, no fear of being trialed after death so let's go, shoot Lennon, enjoy LOL lol

  6. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Mark David Chapman was a delusional, obsessed, psychotic, sociopath who thought that he was a character from a novel. At age 16 he became a born again Christian. He was a religious person. He said that a small part of him was the devil and that's why he killed John. He was just plain crazy. So again sir, don't talk about what you don't know.

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      ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Who, me?

      1. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No no no. Usman. smile

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          ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol, cool smile

    2. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      hmm a person who thinks part of him is devil is not a religous person at all.

      1. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        When you sin, who do you blame it on?

        1. janni321 profile image61
          janni321posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Satan..LOL

        2. Ron Montgomery profile image62
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          FSM who makes me overindulge in muffins.

          http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3544/3348104180_6a8305b848.jpg

        3. usmanali81 profile image60
          usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          when a person indulges him / herself in a sin (and he/she is well aware of it) then the person itself is blamed and then the Satan and it's followers.

  7. Ron Montgomery profile image62
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    Imagine no Freemasons

    It’s easy if you try

    No secular humanists to spit on

    Oh, I wish they all would die

    Imagine all the hatred

    We could spread today

    Imagine there’s no science

    It isn’t hard to do

    Nothing to read but dogma

    And no free thinking too

    You may say I’m a screamer

    But I’m not the only one

    I hope some day you’ll worship me

    And the world will live under my thumb

    1. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol  lol  lol   lol too good smile

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ROTFL !!!! lol  lol  lol  lol  lol  lol

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Weird Al Yankovic has always been an inspiration to me.

  8. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Haha. Some people just live to hate and get off on bashing groups of people. It's so sad. Especially when they don't even know what they're talking about. Sad sad sad.

  9. Eaglekiwi profile image74
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Who and where are all the freemasons?

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They are everywhere (and undercover) I mean, they could even bee your next door neighbor!

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No ,hes into "get low ,get low, I like it when ya get low"
        so maybe not that neighbour ,then again , the guy across the road hmmm, strange walk an feeds the squirrels, who woulda thought.

        No but seriously the guy who talks about the freemasons must surely know who they are ? and where they are ? because I would like to know what he personally is doing about the situation!!

      2. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        yes, my dear you are right

    2. Ron Montgomery profile image62
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There have been many throughout history.  Perhaps the most influentual was Harpo Marx.  His philosophy, known as Marxism, advocated the abolishment of all verbal communication, replacing it with facial gestures and intricate honking of a bicycle horn which he wore at his waist like a pistol.  Many people who are fearful of the influence of Freemasons are also very outspoken against Marxism.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh my God, I just took a swig of coffee as I started to read this. Luckily I managed to swallow it since I'm at work big_smile big_smile

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          HONK! big_smile

    3. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It's a secret organization

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Nothing of the sort.
        Without the paranoid extremist views Freemasonry is a fraternity of men.
        http://www.gl-mi.org/freemasonry-explained.htm

        1. usmanali81 profile image60
          usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this
          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No I said without the paranoia!

  10. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    And I thought all this talk of Freemasons started as a joke smile

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I was always the last one to get the joke in my family UW lol

      so tell me this


      Is USman the freemason ,or is he just talking about them ??

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The references to freemasons are humorous to everyone but Usman.  He literally believes they are evil.  I don't know how a bunch of facially expressive horn honkers can be considered evil, but he has a right to his opinion.

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
          Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Gotcha smile of course it could all be subliminal and free advertising

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
            Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You mean Usman might be an undercover freemason?  What a brilliant tactic!!  His seemingly inane rants against them are actually a plot to get more people interested in the freemason movement.  We should make a movie about this, we could call it "The Usmanali Code".  The sequel would be, "Angels and Morons".

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              He has persuaded me. I joined up last week. I am now a fully fledged, level 1 novice freemason.

              I even got a free silly hat and apron. big_smile

              1. Colebabie profile image60
                Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Ooo ooo Mark! Can we trade? My beer koozie and keychain for your apron? I've never looked good in hats, you can keep the hat.

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I am rather fond of the apron actually - plus, of course, it has majick properties. You can have the hat though.........

                  1. Colebabie profile image60
                    Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Fair enough. I'll take the hat and you can keep the magic apron.

              2. usmanali81 profile image60
                usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                So, you joined the hell at last.

              3. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol   lol

            2. mohitmisra profile image60
              mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol   lol   lol

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                usmanali called you "dear" yet?

                1. mohitmisra profile image60
                  mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  lol  lol Dear understand all the prophets were useless and Muhammad had a different message and was the last prophet so drop your religion and convert to Islam.
                  I haven't found god , you have BUT its not good enough, you must convert. lol  lol
                  Ranked over the Quran , not good enough you must convert.

  11. Eaglekiwi profile image74
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    ..or embedded microchip

  12. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    I think he just dislikes and feels the need to bash anyone who doesn't think like him. Including John Lennon apparently. Me and this guy have nothing in common. I can usually find a way to relate to someone in one way or another... but not Usman, he's got me stumped smile

  13. Ron Montgomery profile image62
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    http://www.users.muohio.edu/adamsjs/Images/Harpo/Harpo%20Marx%204.jpg

    Harpo Marx - Freemason and father of "Marxism"

  14. Paraglider profile image88
    Paragliderposted 7 years ago

    If anyone, for example the Original Poster of this unnecessary thread, is interested in a Rationalist's appreciation of John Lennon's song 'Imagine', here is a link:
    http://hubpages.com/hub/Imagine_John_Lennon
    Warning - this hub mentions music and versification. Frightening concepts to lunatic Fundamentalists...

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Very impressive hub.

      1. Paraglider profile image88
        Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks Ron. It was my 2nd or 3rd hub, answering a request from SunSeven, way back then smile

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You do requests?  How about a similar analysis of the "alternate lyrics" to the song?big_smile

          1. Paraglider profile image88
            Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Which alternative lyrics?

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
              Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              The ones I posted on page 2 of this thread.

  15. RooBee profile image85
    RooBeeposted 7 years ago

    I might have been marginally impressed if you had come up with your own argument rather than pasting one in.

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Is this directed to the OP?

      1. RooBee profile image85
        RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yep

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Did he literally copy from another source or are you just pointing out that his argument is unoriginal?

    2. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I am not here to impress you rather it's for your education

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Teachers are usually required to be at least as well informed as their students.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Be fair Ron...what would a Zionist, atheist, homo loving, capitalist, commo, Freemason like yourself know. usmanali is a learned man, a legend in his own lunch time!

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
            Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You have insulted me sir.  You left out that I am a marxist!!

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              My deepest apologies! The Marx Brothers are Freemasons too!

        2. usmanali81 profile image60
          usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          So

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
            Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I am questioning your qualifications to teach.

  16. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago
    1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Wow!

  17. Ron Montgomery profile image62
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    Is it a sin to........

    Sorry, I mean is it against the rules to plagiarize?

  18. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    A cardinal sin...one of the lost commandments. Though shalt not plagiarize your neighbors scroll.

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We should call up the freemason militia to deal with this threat.

    2. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It's not copy right big_smile

  19. RooBee profile image85
    RooBeeposted 7 years ago

    lol

  20. Ron Montgomery profile image62
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    MM, you shoul read Paragliders hub on Imagine.

    1. Make  Money profile image74
      Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I did before my first post in this thread.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Being a devout Marxist, I am naturally a big fan.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It was a hot night in Australia when we heard of John Lennons murder.
          Our musician neighbor pulled his piano out in to the street in the inner city, and about twenty neighbors sang "Imagine" It was a great loss of a musician with an open heart.

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
            Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I was watching Monday Night Football.  Howard Cosel broke the news.

        2. Make  Money profile image74
          Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah but I doubt if Harpo and Karl were brothers.  Maybe long lost cousins. lol

          You bring something up though.  I wonder if John Lennon knew that Marxists governments killed just about 100 million of their own citizens in the 20th century before he wrote "Imagine".

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
            Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I doubt very much that he considered marxism to be the inspiration for his song even if others did.

  21. Make  Money profile image74
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    Hey we might as well see both sides of the picture.  Right? smile

    Here's a letter that I found with this guys take on "Imagine".  His take, not mine.  Although I do have to agree with some of his points.

  22. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    I can't believe people get so worked up over a song...a song...

    1. Make  Money profile image74
      Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah just a song.  But throughout history some revolutions have started with just a song.  In the Politics forum a person that openly describes himself as an anarchist started a thread titled "Abuse of Power" referring to the abuse of power in the US.  The thread led to a fairly revolutionary song by Mike & The Mechanics called Silent running.

  23. Make  Money profile image74
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    I guess we'll never know for sure.  But I can see both sides to the story.

  24. The Shark profile image60
    The Sharkposted 7 years ago

    Well speaking as an expert on the Beatles and their solo careers, backed up by having spoken at Universities on the Beatles. I will say John said Imagine no religion as a way of Imagining "us" having no difference, nothing to divide us. His intent was never to deny God or religions. As he said in his last interview following the Double Fantasy sessions, " Well you have to Thank God that we all survived"... and went on to mention several things like watergate, vietnam, the 60's etc

    The Shark--- waiting patiently for one after 09-09-09

  25. RooBee profile image85
    RooBeeposted 7 years ago

    http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/270913946_efa38ec3d8.jpg

  26. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    That is one seriously peaceful looking cat!

  27. RooBee profile image85
    RooBeeposted 7 years ago

    He's a Zen Buddhist. lol

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ... and loving it!

  28. RooBee profile image85
    RooBeeposted 7 years ago

    OH, no! I'm sorry for doubting that Marxists are taking over the world. Run, run, run for your LIVES!!!

    http://gmy.news.yahoo.com/vid/14685042

  29. Ambition profile image73
    Ambitionposted 7 years ago

    If there is no religion - then there will be no terrorism lol

    1. Make  Money profile image74
      Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Only terrorists will try to bring about the end of religion.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        LOLOLOL

        lol lol lol lol

        That is the funniest thing you have said. Will you burn these "terrorists" at the steak? lol

        Sorry, I do not usually go for the LOLOLOL, but that takes it. hehehehe

        "Believe the same as me or burn in hell for all eternity and anyone who does not believe is a terrorist." lol lol lol lol

    2. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Agreed excluding Islam

  30. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    We really should get into the tin hat market and make a killing... there seems to be a great demand for them these days.

  31. Ron Montgomery profile image62
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    By indulging yourself you certainly don't mean.........?

  32. usmanali81 profile image60
    usmanali81posted 7 years ago

    ???

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You know...Indulllllllging yourself.

 
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