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Boys fighting in school

  1. aka-dj profile image80
    aka-djposted 7 years ago

    I heard of a story just yesterday about a boy who got into a fight over a lunch table at school. The two got stuck into each other, and one ended up in hospital, and later died. I don't know if he was the attacker or the victim, but in any case, one is now dead.
    With all the evolutionary hype we hear on these forums, I would like to know what is wrong with this incident.
    We keep hearing about survival of the fittest, natural selection and all, so here it is being played out in real life, between two rival teenage males. One wins, one looses. It's only "natural". Natures way of weeding out the weak.
    I doubt very much that either boy's religion was the motivating factor, and the justification for the death. The whole community was rocked by this incident, (as was I when I heard about it). Can someone please help me understand? I am having a really hard time seeing it from the evolutionary worldview standpoint. hmm

    1. frogdropping profile image85
      frogdroppingposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm confused. Are you saying that from a religious aspect you don't understand why it happened? Or that you need someone that's none-religious to use this horrible event to back up their understanding of how and why we're here?

      Either way - it's a horrible basis to use in which to prove anything.

    2. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        how can you don't understand something so obvious ? Maybe being a born again christian you're too small to understand ?  When where you re-born , if I may ask ?? big_smile

    3. Drew Breezzy profile image81
      Drew Breezzyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Do you mean natural selection? Evolution is a completely different matter.

  2. Misha profile image76
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    Shouldn't this go to Religion forums?

    1. aka-dj profile image80
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Nah. It happened in school. big_smile

      1. Misha profile image76
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well, even though this happened in school, your question is geared towards yet another evolution vs creation fight. smile

        1. aka-dj profile image80
          aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Ye.So what? Even if I didn't make it so obvious, most people know my position. Chances are high that I would have got the same or more of a response there. It's not a fight I want, but some answers to real world happenings, I was asking for.
          Anyway, How do YOU see this? Is it right or is it wrong, and why?

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image73
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No

  3. Mark Knowles profile image61
    Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago

    Evolution is a scientific theory not a philosophy. wink

    What are you not understanding exactly?

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Geez in come the hub police lol you guys are so funny

    2. aka-dj profile image80
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No. FACT. big_smile (Remember?)
      Is it wrong, or right? WHY? hmm

      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No - the FACT is that evolution happens. the theory is WHY and HOW.

        Survival of the fittest is part of the THEORY.

        It is neither wrong or right. It is a FACT that one boy (presumably accidentally) killed another boy during a tussle in school. Nothing wrong or right about the FACT that human animals  compete for domination.

        It may be that he did intend to kill him, in which case our society will probably judge the boy wrong and lock him up. Perhaps it will be judged an accident.

        Are your irrational beliefs some how proven wrong by the FACT that humans compete for domination within a group and this is a proven example of evolution in action?

        Oh dear........

        1. aka-dj profile image80
          aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Oh but it's RELIGION you always blame for killing. So, by you, it's rational, and therefore acceptable, that this goes on.
          Oh dear..... sad sad sad sad

          1. Mark Knowles profile image61
            Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            dj - your ignorance never ceases to amaze me. I never said any such thing about rational and acceptable.

            You started this thread with the express intention of having a fight. And you are claiming the high moral ground?

            Seriously dude - you need to think about what that says about your religion.

            1. aka-dj profile image80
              aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You still haven't explained why it's right or wrong.
              If you accept that it goes on as part of the natural process of "domination", you automatically make it "acceptable".
              If you don't, then say so, and explain why, please.
              As for ignorance, you point out the obvious, but do nothing to educate me.

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                Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Do you really not know why this is "right or wrong"? Or do you just want to argue with MarK?

              2. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You are being willfully ignorant right now.

                You are the one saying that it is acceptable. I made no such statement, nor do I believe it is acceptable.

                I understand that your religion teaches you to twist what other people say in an effort to make it appear as though they said something that some how proves your case that you are better then them.

                Sorry - my moral code does not allow me to do that. It is against my principals.

                1. aka-dj profile image80
                  aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  This answers NOTHING !

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                    Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    It answers everything. You just prefer to ignore the answers. Oh well.

                    You already have all the answers I guess. smile

  4. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Man thats sad, truly it is!!
    Remember that old song by Sammy Davies Jnr 'Dont Blame It On The Children'
    Maybe youre too young,but basically its a combination of not learning coping skills at a younger age IMO..combine that with Anger ,and it always gonna be a 'sleeping volcano'

    I have 3 sons. and I tried to teach them that it takes more guts and willpower to walk away from a fight ,than to committ to one, however my youngest was involved in bullying at school and honestly deep down I wanted to tell him  Go head smack the crap outta the other smart ass kid...but I didnt ,couldnt see how long term that would help my son much.

  5. Helen Cater profile image71
    Helen Caterposted 7 years ago

    One of my sons was invloved in a school fight. The other lad had benn asking him to fight all day, and outside the gates the lad took a punch at my son. My son is a really big lad, and has never been involved in a fight before. He has been brought up with older brothers whom play fight lots. My son punched the other boy and knocked him out cold. Later that evening the police arrived and arrested him as the boy in question had his teeth put through his cheek and under went plastic surgery. The police questioned my son for hours asking if he used a bat, or was he a boxer, and so on. Eventually they decided my son was completly in the right to defend himself, as the boy had thrown the first punch. I would have felt sick if the outcome was like your story..but can't help thinking kids have to defend themselves, else it could have been the other way around.

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Lol that was one helluva punch lol , I agree though , there has to be a balance and sometimes standing up for yourself ,when authorities wont makes it even harder to be non-violent for sure.

  6. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    What a terrible system for an educated species to adapt surely?

    Thank god Im not an animal smile AND I feel for those parents,wonder what they think of your analogy, hmm

    1. aka-dj profile image80
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Gee wizz, I hope they check out my profile page.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry was responding to Marks anaology. Interesting but theories are irrevelant when ya kids dying or hurt.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          What analogy exactly? Do you even know what the word means?

          Whether you like it or not, animals (including us) fight for domination within a group.

          It is a crying shame that we have never moved on from that. And your ridiculous beliefs are a big part of why we have not.

          See any religion discussion and how many competing religions there are arguing and fighting over who has the best god. wink

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
            Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            So far Mark you are the only one attacking and critizing. Ive given up on the amount of times either you or your cronies jump on my back for "Christian principles" when the post isnt even about anything religious lol

            Guess its become a habit.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              This post isn't about anything religious? Are you serious?

              I love your passive aggressive approach though. It reminds me of my mother. She is always getting attacked for no reason. Odd that. wink

  7. profile image0
    Madame Xposted 7 years ago

    This doesn't have anything to do with either religion or evolution - but two boys who had never learned, or been taught self control. Who kills someone over a lunch table for Pete's sake. One of them should have had the balls to walk away. Neither did. That says more about the lack of self discipline we teach our kids to have than anything else.

  8. profile image0
    ralwusposted 7 years ago

    I personally see no link to evolution or religion to this whole thing, the school incident. It's just kids learning to be men. They are full of testosterone and things escalate. This is all silliness and nothing more than a ploy to create another useless argument. Really no different than the school boys fight.

  9. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Analogy/Coherance
    means that the cause and effect relation is already established for a similar exposure or disease and/or the relation coheres with existing theories

    Yes I used the word correctly big_smile now its playtime,Ive flown the coop.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Buy yourself a decent dictionary woman. You cannot even spell coherence for goodness' sake.

  10. aka-dj profile image80
    aka-djposted 7 years ago

    Thanks all for your comments.
    Did you really read what I wrote?
    For heaven's sake ! ! ! !
    And I get accused o being weak in the english language.

  11. misterspook profile image61
    misterspookposted 7 years ago

    So what could have been a rather good discussion about inner-school violence and how we can deal with it has devolved (snicker) into a thread devoted to trying to tear down a scientific theory.

  12. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Violence breeds violence thats all I gotta say about that!

    And it comes under many guises, from verbal abuse to physical.

    From homes to schools ,to the courts and in the prisons.

  13. awsydney profile image61
    awsydneyposted 7 years ago

    "Nothing comes from violence, nothing ever could, for all those born beneath an angry star, lest we forget how fragile we are"
    ~ Sting

 
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