I think evolution is true without needing transitional fossils. There have been cases where humans have lived in the wild with no human interaction. They lived like animals, they were not "taught" to live like humans. My point is....
We have to be taught to act as humans, how much more evidence is necessary that we evolved from animals?
I think that we will act as animals when we are not socialize, there has been cases where children are put into cage for longest time without human interaction and they talk like animals, and act wildly, they are stunted emotionally etc
I dont know also if at some point Tarzan will have a feeling or a knowledge of A GOD or some sort of higher being if he socialize only with animals?
Most of our knowledge and how we act are I think we get it from socialization other than experience, the intelligence part is a part of genes???
Maybe Tarzan goes to church every Sunday instead of using rational thought. lol . I'm jk. Seriously, I don't think we would have an awareness or would search for an awareness of a God if we weren't taught, I could be wrong. I'm not sure, but I think intelligence is part of the genes as well as our ability to learn and teach more information than any other animal. The thing is, we wouldn't have the ability to learn and teach if we were raised as animals our entire lives. Then we would only be able to teach others to act as animals rather than humans.
So - because I believe in something that has millions of pieces of evidence and you believe in something that was written in a book 2000 years ago with no evidence - we are making the same leap of faith. I assume you have every respect for evolution in that case.
Greg: Micro evolution has been empirically proved. Macro evolution is much slower with complex life. It, also, will be proved. The generic term, for inherited changes over great lengths of time, is evolution. It is no longer theory. Do some in-depth study. It's all there for ya.
At first I thought evolution was irrational, now I think it is very logical. I think being born with things like "vestiges/tails" makes a pretty solid case that we are not created independently/seperately, but evolved from other animals.
There is no proof of the existance of God, and neither is there a proof against it. Science and Faith do not exclude but complement each other. In the ancient civilizations people believed in their gods, but were also good scientists to raise piramids and invent extremly precise calendars.
There isn't another living organism on Earth that has the level of consciousness that humans have. Not a single one even comes close.
As for who taught a human to act like a human, then you would need to go back to when humans first realized that they existed in the first place. And, since there is no physical way to prove who helped humans to act like humans, the evidence you seek can and only be provided by 'religion', because it's the only thing that was directly responsible for teaching others how to act, at that time.
Yes, "religion" is based on a moral/ethic code of conduct, however, it is tied to a higher cause than that of humanity.
That's not really true. We do not need to take care of all animals. The human race uses a lot of different animals for survival, luxury and amusement. We do so, because it's what makes us truly happy and allows us to live a sustained, prolonged life.
The many aspects that many different companies around the world make noise about, like saving certain animals, is absurd. Simply because we need a lot of them for food for survival.
Also remember, in different cultures, certain animals are used for food, but are not the same in all places. Example: Japan, China, Taiwan, Philippines and many other places...cats and dogs are great food sources and taste pleasantly to those of that culture.
In America, killing of cats and dogs, is illegal and can put one in jail.
If avoiding been killed, is not manipulating their future and decide if the will live or not; is not considered a change to their future. Then you can say so. - I can put a smile anywhere I want, any time
Don't be foolish. If avoiding been killed? You make no sense. Your English language is really bad. Survival for animals in the wild isn't a manipulation of the future. And, to think so, shows your ineptitude to understand the knowledge you've learned. It might help if you knew the difference between manipulating the future and instinctively surviving. If you don't know the difference, then take my advice below.
Do you live your life like this all the time? And, yes, you can put a smiley face...but you didn't put a SMILE...you put something different, which means something completely different. I would have thought you knew that much....yet you're trying to engage in a conversation about Evolution?
Please....just read and learn. This is a spot, I'm sure your parents taught you.....shut up and listen. It helps more than you running your mouth about something you know nothing about.
And, before you jump to any sort of statement....you need to seriously stop in your tracks and evaluate what I've said, because it will only get worse for you from here on.
Cags: Oh yes! I will get picky. To gain my respect, I'm not sure you care about that, you must earn it. We are "mammals." A "mammal" is an "animal." If You missed that in "science 101," then you were remiss or 'tokin' and jokin' when ya should have been sittin' and listen'n. I read your comments carefully. I am now suspicious about the depth of your "alledged" knowledge in ref to reality. Not that you give a damn...but that's NP. I judge one by his action and verbal/written expression. By denying that we humans are not a member of the animal species...you become suspect. I know what your response is gonna be and don't give a damn that you will demean this response. I won't waste a defensive retort when ya do. I'll just, meaningfully, consider the source.....:-)
I respect your right to express your knowledge, but I'm not of the understanding that I require your respect. Which, possibly could never be achieved, for whatever reasons.
I figured you were going to bring this up and because you've a strict line of thinking, leaves you narrow about other people's thoughts or understanding. I've read a lot of your posts too and am fully aware of what you know, as well, as you point of view. However, if you want to continue to put human beings in the same category as another animal, then you do a dis-service to the human race and it's consciousness.
"you become suspect?" Of what exactly?
Yeah, if you want to continue to keep the human race living among or like animals, you'll keep classifying each of them, teach them that they really are no better than the pathetic animals who cannot think for themselves and that's false.
You know what my response is going to be? What are you a psychic? You can read thoughts?
Please, you've been proven many times wrong, and your actions in some places on the threads of the forums, have only been for your foolish amusement, than for learning anything, because you already have your ego on a very high level, thinking you're above others.
At least, I'm trying to include others and not dismiss them.
But, thank you for playing, as usual, you always bring out the worse in people. You might want to consider changing your tactic, because it's doesn't help people learn anything and only causes frustration.
What would you like to expand on? Are you reading more into my statement that appears?
There was no interpretation for you to do with my statement. I plainly pointed out, that human beings who existed, long ago were captured by "religion", through the "God-Kings", "Oracles" and "Mystics", all who claimed to have a connection, with some sort of "GOD". Hence, the higher cause other than humanity.
The "GOD" concept was an accident. Many people from that time, relied on others to learn from, simply because their newly acquired awareness had brought them into existence, but really didn't understand their own existence. This lead them to those who had more knowledge or a better understanding.
Therefore, when looking for answers to questions, people could only turn to others who had awareness. Most of the people at that time, were the people who claims powers to talk to the "GOD" concept.
We are part animals, but the fact that we are aware about our own death, having consciousness and creative capabilities is a proof that we have not an animal rationality. Even some of humans do act as animals.
I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self-contain'd, I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition, They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins, They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God, Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of owning things, Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of years ago, Not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
I understand we have free will. That's great. But is believing in an Almighty creator any harder than believing animals morphed into humans? I myself have never seen any animal morph over time. Nobody has. If they...
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