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What is the "value" of man to this planet?

  1. qwark profile image59
    qwarkposted 6 years ago

    Is there any value to us at all?
    Explain your response.

    1. paradigmsearch profile image88
      paradigmsearchposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No. We are just an infestation.

      In due course the guy with the bottle of Clorox will come along…

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Paradigm:
        Lol...infestation? CORRECT!
        I'm sure WE will provide the clorox that will reduce our numbers.
        We kinda resemble cockroachs in that we're damned hard to completely eliminate.
        Qwark

        1. Greek One profile image80
          Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Since man invented Clorox, he should at least be given credit for that.

      2. TheHollowLog profile image79
        TheHollowLogposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        We are a virus

        The Earth, our beloved host ...

        will one day reject us

    2. IntimatEvolution profile image83
      IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      With reports like this one on our recent biodiversity crisis, (caused by humans over consuming) this question really makes you wonder.  The answer is a toughy Qwark.  Off the top of my head, I really couldn't come up with something.

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Intimate;
        I read that article.
        Change is inevitable, but this planet will survive and continue on long after we, a "human infestation," is long gone.
        I can find no value, to this planet, for the human species.
        We are just a "happening."
        Qwark   :-)

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "Man" adds their own values, or subtracts it - depends on the individual

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hey Bailey:
        Of what value are we to the planet earth? Thats the question.
        Any at all?

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          actually, I can't think of any examples of how humans add value to the earth (except turning into soil nutrients when die). 

          Humans subtract value from the earth, to add value to themselves eg extract & use resources like oil, water, minerals etc leaving behind pollution etc

          1. qwark profile image59
            qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            ...exactly!

            1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
              uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              That is THE ANSWER - exactly THE ANSWER, THE ANSWER, T-H-E A-N-S-W-E-R!!!!!! I am disappointed.  After all the excoriation of not taking this seriously enough that is the answer. Pathetic.

      2. uncorrectedvision profile image60
        uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        As a natural creature and a natural product of the natural process of evolution we are of exactly the same value of any other species.  That is if you are going to be scientific about our nature and origin.  We are no less natural to the world than a fluke, a hydra, a slime mold or a blue whale.  What we do is what we evolved to do and so it is our species purpose just as the lions purpose is to eat the zebra.  We have wedged our tainted beliefs about humans into our nature.  We pollute for exactly the same reason the Arctic Tern migrates.  It is the nature we evolved.

        1. qwark profile image59
          qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          uncorrect:
          Ok, I agree.
          Now can ya pls answer my question: "What is the "value" of man to this planet?"
          TY

          1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
            uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I pay about $2 per pound for chicken, pork or beef so I would say $2 per pound.

            1. qwark profile image59
              qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Ok Uncorrect:
              I get it, ya have no credible response. TY

              1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
                uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                My answer is if you believe humans add no value to the earth then take the bull by the horns and subtract the problem personally.  No problem is solved by demanding an agreement with you how about you set the example of adding to the earth the organic components of you.

                1. qwark profile image59
                  qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Uncorrect:
                  Whew!
                  That comment was not well thought out.
                  The "elements" of our physical body don't add anything to the earth!
                  How could you possibly come up with that argument?
                  Laughable!
                  Qwark

                  1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
                    uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Yet another forum wank.

      3. Rogochuks profile image80
        Rogochuksposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Mans value lies in the sum of his contribution to the planet. If we continue to polute and destroy our habitats, then we are nothing but pest. If we embrace environmental consciousness and protect the earth, then we would have been it's greatest resource.

        1. qwark profile image59
          qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Rogochucks:
          Really?
          I'm curious, why would you think that?

      4. Coolbreezing profile image66
        Coolbreezingposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Man can only be evaluated through the assessment by which a society is maintained. In that respect, how a man is valued in Zimbabwe Africa may not be how he would be evaluated by American standard. If the things we value in life differ than the African it changes the African perspection of us.

        Sense values can differentiate from culture to culture, the value of man depends on the perceptional reality of a particular culture.

        The value and the role of man also changes with religious belieft as it change with the culture. Now, we see even within the same culture, when one adds the faculty of religion, the value of man also deviates.

    4. Greek One profile image80
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

      we give women someone to bitch at

      1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
        uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Best answer on a forum post this week.

    5. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago

      What is the "value" of man to this planet? Unrealized is what the value is of man to this planet. Until it becomes realized by more and more people, then things will only get worse instead of better. smile

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Cags:
        I probably should have offered the connotation of the word "value" as I meant for it to be used in my question. Here it is:
        "Worth in usefulness or importance to the possessor; utility or merit:"
        Let's presume the earth is the "possessor."
        Of what value could we humans be to a planet that will exist with or without us?
        How can more of us make our "value" realized?
        I agree, tho, that the advent of more of the human species will make things much worse for ALL life on the earth.
        Qwark

        1. Debby Bruck profile image85
          Debby Bruckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks for definition. Don't you think mankind defines and creates the 'value'
          Without us, the planet just "is" without a right or wrong, or particular value.
          This is reflective and would require a 'judge' to make a 'judgement'

          1. qwark profile image59
            qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hi Debby:
            Not at all.
            Your comment really has nothing to do with my forum question.
            Why is it that Ya'll are having such a hard time understanding it? I'm simply asking if you think we are of any value to the planet.
            Have you studied the Gaia Hypothesis?
            If it were "factual" and not a hypothesis, and if the earth could communicate with us, what do you think "its" answer might be?
            Qwark

            1. Felynx profile image78
              Felynxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I think asking man about the value of man is like.... asking your boyfriend if you look fat in this dress. Ask an animal and youll probably get better answers. Ask the internet and youll get a bunch of people who dont know what theyre talking about.

    6. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago

      Hey Qwark, by all accounts, the planet gives humans a place to live, breath and exist, and with that comes a responsibility of man to understand and respect that, by protecting it from destruction or devastation.

      It's sad that not more people understand it. hmm

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Cags.
        There is no way that we paltry human creatures can devestate or destroy this planet. It has experienced far greater catastrophes over the 4 billion yrs of its existence than we can create.
        Yes it does provide for us and nurture us and we should be respectful and appreciative of that fact.
        What is OUR value to "it?" I can see none.
        Qwark

    7. frogdropping profile image86
      frogdroppingposted 6 years ago

      I'd like to think we have value as caretakers Qwark. Instead of having dominion - and taking it literally, how about we start viewing our world as something to cherish, nurture and care for.

      We use it, we abuse it and there's a lot less care taking of it than there is of the taking. It's wrong, we're slowly killing it, we're killing ourselves. And maybe that's no bad thing.

      1. StevenPayne profile image61
        StevenPayneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If were going by a evolution stand point we are of no value to the earth as the possessor since the earth is older than mankind. To first realize our merit or value we must all come to a common conclusion of what that value is or it turns into a huge confrontation of who's right and who's wrong.
        This topic makes me think of the lines of that song,
        "How many roads must a man walk down......."

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          Whikatposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The Answer is Blowing In The Wind - Bob Dylan

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6M7bfGw62E

          Good tune smile

          1. StevenPayne profile image61
            StevenPayneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I know what song it is. thnx

        2. qwark profile image59
          qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Steve:
          "...we are of no value to the earth as the possessor..."
          I agree.
          Qwark

      2. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Frog:
        That didn't answer my question. What we should do has nothing to do with what our value is to the planet. It will heal itself, as it has done for billions of yrs and continue on until the sun takes us out.
        What is our VALUE to it?
        Qwark

        1. frogdropping profile image86
          frogdroppingposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I know it didn't qwark. I was having a dream-on moment.

          Seen as though you insist - our value equates to sweet f.a. hmm

    8. qwark profile image59
      qwarkposted 6 years ago

      I propose that we humans exist as a natural result of the laws of physics and chemistry.
      WE are not "miracles," WE are just a "happening."
      There is no value atributed to our existence but to ourselves.
      WE appeared for a nano second and vanished.
      The universe will not notice our coming and going.
      "...no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should." Desiderata (things to be desired)
      Qwark

    9. qwark profile image59
      qwarkposted 6 years ago

      My ego "gloats" when I'm right! :-)

    10. rotl profile image60
      rotlposted 6 years ago

      Man is the ultimate paradox. No other species could have done what man has with natural resources. And of course, no other species could have destroyed the planet like man has. So it's a wash for me.

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Rotl:

        Man is incapable of destroying the planet.

        This, of course, is true: " No other species could have done what man has with natural resources."
        Qwark

        1. rotl profile image60
          rotlposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So I guess you don't believe in global warming, or deforestation, or extinction of species due to urban development etc.

          1. Disturbia profile image60
            Disturbiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            None of those thing will destroy the planet.  Global warming, ice ages, the extinction of species, those things have been happening on planet earth for a long time and many times over before we ever showed up and they will continue to happen long after we have taken our leave. Mankind might destroy itself, but the planet will go on, at least for a few more billion years until our sun dies anyway.

            1. rotl profile image60
              rotlposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Makes sense... however, I hold anything that makes us extinct to be destroying the planet.

              1. qwark profile image59
                qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Rotl:
                Then you'd be wrong! ABSOLUTELY WRONG!
                Qwark

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                Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                more like destroying certain life-forms

          2. qwark profile image59
            qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Rotl:
            What has this to do with my original questions?
            Try to stay on point...ok? TY
            Qwark

            1. couturepopcafe profile image62
              couturepopcafeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Actually, Qwark, man is capable of destroying the planet, if he chooses to do so.  It would take a huge capability in what - pyrotechnics, explosives, robotics, technology that could get into the core and simple blow it to bits.  Let's here you argue that, big boy.

              1. qwark profile image59
                qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Couture:
                No problem at all.
                There is no possibility at all of man being able to destroy this planet...NONE!
                The earth is about 4 billion yrs old. it has survived catastrophes far greater than anything man could conceive of and produce.
                If you can offer just one (1) plausible method we could use to destroy the planet earth we'd all love to know it.
                Go for it.
                Qwark

                1. couturepopcafe profile image62
                  couturepopcafeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't have the knowledge base on the subject of explosives, but don't you agree there is some bomb that could be placed at the core of the earth that might conceivably shatter it?

                  1. qwark profile image59
                    qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Couture:
                    The simple answer is: ...no.   :-)

    11. Disturbia profile image60
      Disturbiaposted 6 years ago

      I don't believe you, of course we have value and there is no need to explain why.  You are so complicated Qwark, I'd love to live inside your head for just one day... you know everything about me is so simple, I find the way your mind works simply fascinating.

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Disturbia:
        it's ok if ya don't believe me. lol
        If you read my "hub" profile, you'll understand why I say "it's ok."  :-)
        Living in my mind, might drive ya crazy! It's always questioning, questioning, questioning and coming up with alota, "interesting" to me, concepts.

        Wow! you quoted me! Ty.

        You don't believe this?

        "None of those thing will destroy the planet.  Global warming, ice ages, the extinction of species, those things have been happening on planet earth for a long time and many times over before we ever showed up and they will continue to happen long after we have taken our leave. Mankind might destroy itself, but the planet will go on, at least for a few more billion years at least until our sun dies anyway."

        I'm gonna ask another question Disturbia..ok?
        Why do you think this:

        "...of course we have value and there is no need to explain  why."

        Qwark   :-)

        1. Disturbia profile image60
          Disturbiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          OMG!  We don't need to explain or justify our value.  We have value because we are, because we exist in the universe. 

          And now you are making me explain something which I don't believe needs to be explained.  You are the puppet master aren't you.  Pulling our strings with questions and statements that challenge our ideas and ideology. Go ahead, confuse my poor little ADHD brain circuitry.  You really are terrible... I think I'm in love.  LOL

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            There are many puppet masters out there and Governments protect every conceivable evil known to mankind.

            The true leader in the history of mankind has always been the people.  Your opinion and everyone's lives and opinions collectively are the only hope and true change on the Globe

          2. qwark profile image59
            qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            disturtbia;
            I am "loveable."   :-)

            1. Disturbia profile image60
              Disturbiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              wink

              1. couturepopcafe profile image62
                couturepopcafeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I think he's to old for you.

                1. qwark profile image59
                  qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Couture:
                  Oh yes! Quite right!
                  But I am "loveable!"     :-)
                  Qwark

                  1. Disturbia profile image60
                    Disturbiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    There is no such thing as too old for me... LOL!

                    1. qwark profile image59
                      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Disturbia:
                      Now I'm scared......lol   :-(

    12. Jaggedfrost profile image87
      Jaggedfrostposted 6 years ago

      lol anyone who figures that they as humans have no value and add nothing to the universe are welcome to fall on their own sword.  They are probably right and pointing fingers only leaves the three finger rule in sharper contrast.  Maybe then the rest of us can improve matters.

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        jagged:
        Pls explain this:
        "lol anyone who figures that they as humans have no value and add nothing to the universe are welcome to fall on their own sword." it seems to me to be meaningless.
        "Maybe then the rest of us can improve matters."
        "Improve matters?" What "matters" are you referring to?
        Qwark

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          marceleb19posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I think what he is saying by  "lol anyone who figures that they as humans have no value and add nothing to the universe are welcome to fall on their own sword" is that if you really don't believe that there is any value and meaning to you being on this earth then you are welcome to end your unvalued , meaningless existence  on it . I am not telling you to do so  LOL, I am just saying that I think that was the meaning of the Quote . As far as I am concerned , The fact that humans are the only known species on this earth to have any kind of conciousness say's a lot  , we are on this earth to create  , which in the future our creations might actualy have a positive and productive impact on this earth . Might it be from technology allowing  us to prevent  a Cosmic catastrophy from distroying earth , As you say , humans might not be able to destroy the earth ( which is questionable ) but , with the unlimited amounts of energy in the Universe you can bet that something else can , and maybe we as creators will prevent it .   Because we both know the lions and zebras won't lol .

          1. qwark profile image59
            qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Marceleb:
            ...but that has nothing to do with what I have asked for, which is: "What is the "value" of man to this planet?"
            I don't know why all are having so much trouble understanding the question.
            Qwark

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              marceleb19posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Then what is the value of any animal on this planet ?

              1. qwark profile image59
                qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Marcel:
                Again you completely misread and misunderstood my question.
                "Then what is the value of any animal on this planet ?"
                Replace the word "on" with the word "to" in your question."
                Qwark

            2. OpinionDuck profile image60
              OpinionDuckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              The real question is What is the Value of man to this planet as viewed by ???

              1. qwark profile image59
                qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Who cares?
                Give me YOUR answer...ok?

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                Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                yes, it is in the eye of a beholder - value is a subjective concept.  Like the fable in my son's reader - the chicken tossed the jewel aside, because it valued a grain of corn. 

                The planet has no concept of value - all the answers are from a human perspective.

                1. qwark profile image59
                  qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  BAiley:
                  ...and that's all this requires: an answer from a human point of view.

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                    Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    do you go off and write hubs from these intellectual wrestlings?

                    1. qwark profile image59
                      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Hi Bailey:
                      Yep, sure have...;-)
                      Qwark

    13. couturepopcafe profile image62
      couturepopcafeposted 6 years ago

      Ok, here's the real answer.  Our value is determined solely by our own imaginings.  We are to be universal indwellers, untouched by affliction, actions, impressions and their results - the pure flow of spiritual consciousness.  The definition of affliction in this context is ignorance, egoism, attachment, aversion, and the desire to cling to life.  Ignorance is the breeding ground for all the others.  Therefore, by losing our illusions, we lose everything and we lose nothing.  When one is confirmed in non-possessiveness, the knowledge of why and how of existence is attained.  There should be no disturbance from dualities.  Because of the magnetic qualities of habitual mental patterns and memory, a relationship of cause and effect clings even though there may be a change of embodiment by class, space and time.  The desire to live is eternal and the thought clusters prompting a sense of identity are beginningless.  Things assume reality because of the unity maintained within that modification.  Even though the external object is the same, there is a difference of cognition in regard to the object because of the difference in mentality (earth being the object in this case).  We have no inherent value to the earth except that we are one with the multiverse, currently a bad seed.  But as we are consciousness with limitless power, and it is difficult at best to cease mutative association with awareness, the species has created an imbalance of desire over desirelessness.

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        marceleb19posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        couldn't of said it better , totally agree, want to be friends ? haha

      2. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Couture:
        " We have no inherent value to the earth except that we are one with the multiverse,..."
        I applaud your perceptive reply!
        That was all you needed to say to answer my question. TY Couture!
        QWark

        1. couturepopcafe profile image62
          couturepopcafeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I guess I'm loveable, too.

          1. qwark profile image59
            qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Couture:
            True!...but I'm too old for ya...lol
            We are loveable tho!   :-)

            1. couturepopcafe profile image62
              couturepopcafeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I'm starting to get an image of you in a dusty home library, walls lined with book filled cases, a dim light on a table next to a well worn upholstered chair, tapestry rugs, a cup of tea steaming next to you as you hunch over a worn text, magnifier in hand, researching some ancient work.  A light goes off in your head, you grab your fedora and run out the door headed for parts unknown to prove some theory or other.  The grey haired Mrs. calls to you as you run for the old Land Rover.  "Don't foget your mittens, dear!"

              1. qwark profile image59
                qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hahaha Couture:
                That was descriptive! I loved how you worded it!
                Thumbs up!
                You didn't describe me completely. I'm sitting in a dark candle lit room, dipping my feather pen in a small bottle of black ink and laboriously creating my thoughts in elegantly, ornate Rococo style font.
                My furniture is Baroque and the room is ornately endowed with the art of the masters.
                Small sculptures sit on rosewood tabletops and tapestry which complements the architecture, reliefs and  wall paintings adorn the dimly lit walls...etc., etc.. lol
                I love it!      :-)
                Qwark

                1. couturepopcafe profile image62
                  couturepopcafeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Excellent...

                  1. qwark profile image59
                    qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Couture:
                    Qwark sits, quietly contemplating, winks at Couture and raises both arms to display 2 thumbs up!    :-)
                    Qwark

                    1. couturepopcafe profile image62
                      couturepopcafeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      I'm glad you added the 'two thumbs up'.  I was starting to get a little nervous.

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      marceleb19posted 6 years ago

      You can say that Humans have no value on earth but ask yourself these questions , What  value does the earth bring to the universe? What is the value of our solar system in our Universe ? what is the value of our galaxy in the universe ? There is none , all would go on existing if one of these things where missing from the ultimate picture wich is the Universe . so if you think about it it does not matter what value we bring to this earth since , earth brings no value to our solar system , wich brings no value to our galaxy wich brings no value to the universe . Earth is not even a spec on the map of the universe

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Marcel:
        No more pls....lol
        You just don't read with understanding.
        You, AGAIN, misread my question. I don't understand why, but I'm thru "hubbing with you. whew!
        tsk tsk
        Qwark

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          marceleb19posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Haha i guess I didn't , I was just wasting time participating in this debate , it was facinating to see your outlook on things . Have a good day Sir and I look foreword to your next topic of debate haha . And I do agree that  we add no value  for our existence on this earth but I beleive we aren't really suppose to . have a good day .

          1. qwark profile image59
            qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            marcel:
            Debate? When was there a debate?
            Debate involves argument. To win an argument, one must provide proofs.
            I'm not seeking proofs, just opinions. But to get a reasoned opinion, one must interpret and understand the question. You haven't done that.
            I never debate anyone. I just "chat."
            Qwark

    15. rebekahELLE profile image92
      rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago

      I think when we make the connection with what the planet teaches us about who we are.
      maybe pull out Thoreau's Walden.

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Rebekah:
        Realistically? Our existence is ephemeral and valueless to all but ourselves...:-)
        Qwark

        1. rebekahELLE profile image92
          rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I think it is more how you live in your world.

          realistically, yes, it's called harmony, but too many are so disconnected, there is no grasp of what that means.

    16. aka-dj profile image78
      aka-djposted 6 years ago

      Value is subjective.
      If there are no humans, who, or how can you determine value?
      Surely plants and animals do not ascribe value to anything. To them all things just "is"!

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        Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        agree and disgree - yes, value is subjective. I think animals do value things, they just don't call it that

    17. Kangaroo_Jase profile image80
      Kangaroo_Jaseposted 6 years ago

      Tongue firmly in cheek with this response....

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM1-DQ2Wo_w

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      logic,commonsenseposted 6 years ago

      Value is a human concept.
      The  has planet has no opinion of us at all.  It exists and evolves of it's own volition.  What we do is irrelevant to the earth, as it existed before man was here and will exist after we are gone.  It is arrogant and egotistical to assume what we do has any influence on the existence of the planet and its ultimate fate.

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Logic....ty!
        Qwark

    19. Ben Evans profile image73
      Ben Evansposted 6 years ago

      Why does man have to be valuable to this planet?

      No matter how we try to intellectualize this........We are already here.

      The earth is not for mankind nor are we here for the earth.

      We just are. 

      There is no predisposition in an equation for an earth/man relationship so value is irrelevant......or in other words our relationship is not symbiotic by design.

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        TY Ben!
        WE are of no value to this planet but the planet is our Mother. Its value to us?...our creation and existence!
        Qwark

    20. prettydarkhorse profile image66
      prettydarkhorseposted 6 years ago

      Hi qwark, I like this one from "Kansas"

      "Dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind.
      Nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky
      It slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy".

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Pretty:
        Oh how true!
        ...love those words!  :-)
        Qwark

        1. prettydarkhorse profile image66
          prettydarkhorseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          it also said that "We are just a drop of water in an endless sea"

          But like a "drop" we always try to help other people the best that I can and be the best with the life that we have.

    21. Timstown profile image76
      Timstownposted 6 years ago

      Well, our main accomplishments involve doing absolutely amazing things with the planets resources.   The downside is that, in the process, we are depleting the planet of some of these resources... and polluting it.   Perhaps one day, though, we'll be able to invent technologies that will allow us to reverse any of the damage we've done, balance the global resources, and even prevent the planet from major, natural catastrophes.   Perhaps that will be our value.   Of course, us destroying the planet seems more likely as of now... but lets hope that one day we can do a 180.

    22. Ben Evans profile image73
      Ben Evansposted 6 years ago

      Why do we have to have value?  Is it for vanity sake?

    23. Rabster profile image60
      Rabsterposted 6 years ago

      Man has value, but only to the capacity by which he perpetuates life's longing for itself. You see, individually man has zero value. Only when a man realizes that he is a part of the collective experience will he be of true value. Put that in your 401K.

    24. Shahid Bukhari profile image60
      Shahid Bukhariposted 6 years ago

      Earth hath been Created for Man ...

    25. pisean282311 profile image56
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago

      nature doesnot care whether humans exist or not...earth existed even when humans didn't exist and would keep on existing even if we become extinct...it is mere our quest to form meanings to life that we give too much importance to ourselves...

    26. Daniel Carter profile image91
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

      We think that infestations of disease and pestilence plague us, but maybe humans are really food for diseases and pestilence.

      1. pisean282311 profile image56
        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        quiet right...for us virus and bacteria are something which needs to be get ridden off...but for them we are food...something like for hens , goats humans are threats but for many humans those are foods...

    27. qwark profile image59
      qwarkposted 6 years ago

      I think you, in the main, have misread the question.

      "WHAT IS THE VALUE OF MAN TO THE PLANET?"

      My answer is "NONE!" if you don't agree, why?

      Qwark

      1. Ben Evans profile image73
        Ben Evansposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I agree that we don't have any value.

        With all due respect, we are here so why does our value here on Earth matter other then vanity?

        When you die what happens?  Everything vanishes right?  Human's very short stay on good ole planet earth could be interpreted as a foul existence.  We can dwell on how worthless we are. 

        We certainly shouldn't go out and destroy the earth.

        ..........But, we are here and we are stuck on Earth and Earth is stuck with us.  Our sense of value is a moot point.

        As we say,

        Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the most valuable creature of all.

        and the mirror will say,

        .....Why it is you human kind.

        We will feel our lack while the mirror laughs as we turn our backs to walk away.  Our blotted worthiness will be crushed as we will find we have no value.

    28. Daniel Carter profile image91
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

      I don't think I misread. The value of man is that he is food, just as so many things around him are considered food. That's just one little aspect.

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Daniel:
        Food? For the "PLANET?" Why does the "PLANET" need food?
        My question is referring to the "PLANET."
        LIFE reqires food.
        While we are here all we do is return all that had its creation from the "PLANET" back to the "PLANET. WE are not giving or taking from/to the "PLANET."
        Of what value is man to the "PLANET?"
        I say: NONE! We are just a happening.
        Qwark

        1. Me, Steve Walters profile image78
          Me, Steve Waltersposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I disagree...we are the reason that this planet is here in the first place!

          1. qwark profile image59
            qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Steve:
            REally...Boy! You are offering stuff I've never heard before! We are the reason this planet is here?
            Pls explain this to me...I'm all "eyes."  smile:
            TY
            QWark

            1. Me, Steve Walters profile image78
              Me, Steve Waltersposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              QWark...? Well seeing is believing...so you're off to great start. You never heard of a philosophy that puts man above Mother Earth...What planet you from...QWark?

              1. qwark profile image59
                qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Steve:
                Nope, never have.
                Pls tell me where ya came up with that, why ya think it's so  and why it is important to you?
                Pretend I'm an "alien" from a faraway planet and explain it to me exquistely in earth language...ty so much!  smile:
                TY
                Qwark

                1. Me, Steve Walters profile image78
                  Me, Steve Waltersposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You're killing me here...Qwark! Really...you really never heard of such a thing? Well...thats what they have libraries for.

                  I'd start in the area of "historical beliefs-past down since the beginning of time"...and work your way up to the Fiction section...where you are probably heading your line of thought with much increased conjecture...I would imagine.

                  1. psycheskinner profile image81
                    psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    If you get this belief from somewhere you should be able to name at least one source.  Like on of my professors said, if you can't explain an idea to a 7-year-old, you don't really understand it yourself.

                    If it comes down to 'primitive people believed it'--that doesn't strike me as really convincing.

                    1. Me, Steve Walters profile image78
                      Me, Steve Waltersposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      C'mon psycheskinner...you know what I'm talking about don't ch'a? trying the ol' make a debatable point thing is as old as the internet too. Please!

                      I don't really care about what some professor said about a explaining things to a 7 year old...I bet he stayed up all night thinking of that one. Since when are "professors" knowledgeable about things out here in the real world anyway!

                      Here's a better point that I would like to make:

                      I'm tired of only one opinion being right on this here Hub Page Forums...and those with other opinions have to agree with it or argue their point to the "nth" degree. GRRR...I'm mad...and i'm not taking it anymore lol mad roll cool and things could use some shakin' up in here (Hub Pages Forum) anyways.

                      Folks could be a whole lot more open minded here...for starters!

                      How about them apples! There's another opinion with out substanitive proof...!

                  2. qwark profile image59
                    qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Well golly Steve:
                    Seems we have a "failure to communicate" here.
                    In my studies of anthropological history, starting way back to the "beginning of time," historical beliefs have fallen way short of being truth due to an abject level of ignorance way back at the "beginning of time." smile:
                    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm existing in the 21st century and knowledge is 'light years" beyond that of our "forefathers" way back "at the beginning of time."
                    Way back "then," nothing was known of the earth and of "IT" being our parent, or of the laws that Mother Nature" required of all life to survive.
                    Of course I'm still a young man in geologic time. I'm only going on 70 so I guess I just don't have a good reason to fall back on when I say I've never heard of, in contemporary language and understanding, "...a philosophy that puts man above Mother Earth.."
                    Nope can't say I ever have!
                    I do love fiction and much of what you read of the history of life on this earth, may be just that fiction, 'cause folks like you seem to corrupt human thought with comments like "...a philosophy that puts man above Mother Earth.."
                    Seems to me we are still abjectly ignorant and infantile.
                    Now pls answer my question and tell me what all this means to you.
                    Can ya do that?
                    TY
                    Qwark:):

                    1. Me, Steve Walters profile image78
                      Me, Steve Waltersposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Point-Counter point: I see that you put alot of thought into your response. However...that being said. I rely on a belief structure that states that all things were given freely and abundantly for us to use on the planet...and that places "man" in a fairly tall order of importance in relationship to the planet. And I bet that you know exactly what belief structure it is to which I refer...don't ch'a?

        2. Daniel Carter profile image91
          Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I was attempting a bad joke gone worse. I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek. I think the planet probably doesn't value us. I think it's the reverse. We value the planet. In which case, qwark, you may now eat your cake. wink

          1. qwark profile image59
            qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            DAmn DAn!
            I was hoping for a new concept explained in depth with all kinds of scientific backing...I'm so disappointed.. smile:
            Forget the cake! I'm eating a giant Burger kIng chicken sandwich made like a "whopper" mmm  mmm good! smile:
            Qwark

            1. Daniel Carter profile image91
              Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Cake is whatever you make it to be. A burger sounds good to me!

              The science of the planet and human beings isn't really science as far as I can tell. It's more like a comedy. I think "Big Bang Theory" kind of goes there. lol

              Side note: one friend calls me "DAmmit DAn!" for a lot of reasons....

    29. qwark profile image59
      qwarkposted 6 years ago

      ...I'm off to the gym...ttya'll later...smile:

    30. Evan G Rogers profile image82
      Evan G Rogersposted 6 years ago

      This question completely ignores what it means to have value.

      A good or service (in this case "man") has value if it is desired by someone else (another cognizant being).

      Thus, a rock might not have value to the first 500 people that come across it, but the next person might look at the rock and say "hey, that's gold!".

      Thus, the question in the OP "What is the 'value' of man to this planet?" is an inaccurate question. Something can't be valued by an inanimate object (the Earth).

      I'm afraid that i'll have to deny the premise!

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Evan:
        smile: and your answer must be ignored because of your, seeming, dirth of understanding.
        Tsk tsk   smile:
        Qwark

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      foreignpressposted 6 years ago

      Earth has a tendency to cleanse itself. It's kind of like purging, or regurgitating, what is fouling the system. And so humankind (men and women) will be shown the door to oblivion. That's what 2012 is supposed to be about.

      1. andycool profile image69
        andycoolposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Our value to this planet is the maximum so far because we human beings are solely responsible for its betterment. It's the best place in the entire universe to live and we the human beings have turned this planet earth to heaven simply by making it beautiful. So our value is huge to this planet earth which only could be measured by people like Albert Einstein.

    32. lynshenu profile image60
      lynshenuposted 6 years ago

      Nothing exists on, or of this planet which is not the Logos.  We, and everything else on the planet, are the end result of the projection forward of the energies that comprise this planet - energy stepped down in frequency until a material form could be produced..  Mankind is a facet, if you wish, of the projection from that which is the Logos and, as such, fits into the overall patterning of the proliferation of this Logos and its withdrawal. Mankind, as well as all other projections from this Planetary Logos have been here for a much longer period of time than science will admit. If we did not have any value, we would not be allowed to remain here.

      We are of tremendous value in so far as - the Logos cannot experience matter - it is pure energy. Humans, as well as all other material manifestations are the avenue for the Logos to experience. This experience essences back through all realms to the Logos and is then projected forward again through ongoing further projections of humanity. When a particular species has fulfilled its function - it becomes extinct - it has no further value as that particular projection of form. It will be reconfigured and projected forward as a different species. This is how evolution takes place. This is why we have vast ages cycling, reaching an epitome and then disappearing. Because that was as much as could be absorbed by that particular civilization before corruption set in. It had fulfilled its particular function.

      Nothing is ever lost. All that knowledge is then projected forward into the next cycle to allow humankind to advance through another cycle. Each cycle has its own requirement for learning.  If this were not the case - we would all still be living in caves. This particular cycle is focussed on technology. Our day to day living is not important in the universal sense - the essencing back, because it rather like a distilled essence of all experience - is tremendously important for the continuation of the human species. Looking at it from a human point of view, one would not think we were all on a journey to self-realization; but that is the ultimate goal fir humanity.

      Whether you wish to advance slowly or rapidly is entirely up to you.

     
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