Some people think that zero is nothing. I know for a fact that zero represents "cannot count". Because we create units and assign numbers to them. that is why zero=infinity.
Numbers are abstracts that allow us to measure whatever it is we like to measure. Zero is just a beginning of measurement or a direction of value. You go to zero, you diminish in measurable value. You towards infinity, you diminish measurable value.
But numbers are abstract tools to measure whatever we want. we can count heads, or hairs, assign values like one head or million hairs. and count them in 1s or 1 million, two million etc all the while counting the same things.
I agree that numbers are abstracts - handy tools for measurement - but numbers only make sense when the units are agreed by users. Here's a great program on the difficulty involved in measuring and defining units - in this case "one degree" of temperature. I'm sure you'd enjoy it Cecilia if you had time to watch it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 … ne_Degree/
This thread reminded me of another documentary I saw fairly recently where several top mathematicians proposed that numbers do not go on forever and that you cannot always add one. It was pretty mind boggling, but the basic idea was the number 1 represents the whole, therefore numbers can only represent fractions of the whole, which makes numbers finite, rather than infinite.
Cecilia dent believe in integers. She says famous mathematicians don't either.
She will expand on this, I'm sure.
Point of reference: this all came about when Cecilia got terribly confused in another thread and didn't realize we were actually talking about logic zero and logic one. Ever reliable, she grabbed that and swam hard to prove that nothing can be zero, but can only approach it.
it is a position of the number line that identifies value.
But if you count, scalp to one inch of hair. you start with scalp as zero. But when you are measuring density of scalp. does that make scalp zero still? no. zero is the beginning of measuring. But zero itself means nothing to count. not nonexistent.
well you can discuss it with oxford prof, kaplan. because he wrote a book explaining zero as a direction in his best-selling paperback the history of zero. I cannot believe you guys don't understand what I mean that zero is a beginning, a starting point of measurement.
zero degrees celsius in not the same as fahrenheit. the numbers are different but the heat presence is the same. it all depends where you start measuring.
I'd question whether infinity can exist. It doesn't make sense in terms of representing a number. I guess it's down to interpretation, we need it for calculations obviously. It is an interesting concept. It certainly is't an absolute.
The largest finite number s Graham's number. But there isn't enough space in the universe to write it down. We know that the last digit is a seven.
well, it doesn't seem that way since you cannot get the concept that numbers are measuring units. but WE assign the units.
For instance your hair, and the heads in your house. I can count in hair, or in heads. in ones or in tens. It all depends on where I start counting or what I'm counting.
So your premise of losing wallet is not zero, it's negative wallet. because you are measuring wallet that used to exist. clear? not clear. maybe you should retake those standardized tests. they improve in time you know. how long has it been?
Once the number has been assigned to a concept then it becomes absolute. It doesn't mean that zero doesn't exist, it does, look at the temperature scales that you just mentioned; both have zero intergers.
my point is zero is measuring the starting point of unit 1. it is not describing an absolute nothing. no single thing exists. it is a position in the number line. but it moves, depending what you assign as zero.
i personally like 1 red velvet cupcake. As soon as I see it, it becomes negative cupcake. And then when you measure the red velvet cupcake, you get zero cupcake, fortunately there is still donut, 1 donut which you can turn into negative donut. then there will be maybe 1 plate left but zero red velvet cupcake and zero donut. take away the plate and you have the table and so on...
zero is dependent on what is being measured. we assign the unit we are measuring.
like the non-ridiculous statements you made about proving no gods exists because sentience needs a storage of memory, but only if sentience is not measured or defined. yes absolutely your wiring is different.
Zero is absence of quantifiable whereas infinite numbers are things which are not quantifiable. You don't count zero stars in the sky but you do attempt to count few starts out of infinity(which is again assumption that there are infinite to begin with).