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The Brain Unveil

  1. Apostle Jack profile image61
    Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago

    I beg to differ"According to the Increase" That the Mind and Brain cannot and do not direct what we say and do in life.It is spoken of about what the brain can do,but not explain concerning how it is done.
    Neurons,cells,atoms and elements of the body is to regulate matter and flesh....our Terrestrial Existence.
    There is an outside source from which Electric activity is generated....it is call Spirituality.Our spirits generate this power.
    The brain can die,...but not the spiritual things such as intelligence,personality and knowledge.
    The Brain unveil reveal the Spiritual side of our Celestial Spirits.The physical body was not design By God to speak nor communicate with Him.It is a Spiritual matter beyond scientific and technical equations.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The mind and brain, do directly make up what we say and do in life. To suggest otherwise is foolishness.
      This statement makes no sense.
      You mean, our physical nature.
      Untrue.
      This is untrue also.
      Conjecture, based on nothing by speculation.
      Conjecture based on nothing but speculation.
      No god had anything to do with existence of humans to begin with. Therefore, no god to communicate with.
      Conjecture, based on nothing but speculation.

      Answered.

      1. Apostle Jack profile image61
        Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        What I want is for you to explain it.If you can't explain it......then you don't understand it yourself.That is what is call speculation.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Your post is speculation and nothing more. Why would I want to explain something that you speculate?

          I explained in my first post. Your speculation was one of the dumbest things ever posted to the forums.

          1. Apostle Jack profile image61
            Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Can you prove that.

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hey Jack, it's obvious from the knowledge presently available. You're the one making the dumb assertions. Why don't you prove your conjecture is anything else but conjecture/speculation. roll

              I don't have to, because I'm not the one who originally made the dumb statement. hmm

              1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You say that my words is just speculation ,so I ask you what proof do you have to call me a lie.So how do you know that you are right if you can't explain it?

                1. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Do you have a comprehension problem? I said, all current knowledge available says that you are spreading conjecture/speculation. wink

                  1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                    Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I see your mouth moving,,,but there are no words coming out.

              2. Apostle Jack profile image61
                Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                This is knowledge about the brain,what do you know about it.What part told you that I was wrong? Which cells got together and directed you?Since you don't believe in spirituality,what part of a material substance call the brain are you referring to?

      2. mathsciguy profile image60
        mathsciguyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Sweet mercy, Cagsil!  You gotta find a better format for replying specifically to different points in preceding posts.  Maybe a quote of the particular part to which you are referring might make your counterpoints easier to match up to the originally proposed assertions. 
        Just a friendly suggestion.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you Math. I'll take it under advisement. lol

    2. thisisoli profile image55
      thisisoliposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      So what you are saying is, you don't understand electrons?

      1. Apostle Jack profile image61
        Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You are the one that don't understand where it comes from and how everything within the body is affected by it.You are seeking answers....I already know the answer.

        1. thisisoli profile image55
          thisisoliposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Unfortunately from your own post you have shown you do not know the answer.  The truth is that you have deluded yourself.

          I think it is interesting how self important you must feel in yourself to be able to ignore science and make up your own stories without any basis of understanding.

          Tell me, what's the spiritual significance of lightening?

          Does my laptop have a soul?

          1. Apostle Jack profile image61
            Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Lightening is not spiritual.I speak according to the Increase and with Confidence.

            1. thisisoli profile image55
              thisisoliposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              So please explain the difference between the flow of electrons in a Human and a bolt of lightening.

              I strongly advice you to read the wide selection of books out there which contain information on this kind of thing that are worth a good read!

              1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The power is different and from a different source.So the explanation is also different.

                1. thisisoli profile image55
                  thisisoliposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Except if you look at an electon level electricity is electricity, it is the same, so you fail, completely. Sorry.

                  Look a little further than what your own eyes and a lack of education see.

                  1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                    Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I know that you can't explain what you just said.The smart ones always know the lease.

  2. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 5 years ago

    Okay, this is the dumbest thing I've seen so far in any post. But, extremely funny. lol lol lol lol lol

    1. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Who knows.....you might even learn something.Do you have any knowledge to add to it?

  3. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 5 years ago

    Here, let me make it simple for you.

    Do you even know the difference between the brain and the mind?

    1. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      They are both the same thing.Scientist call it the mind as a scientific phrase,but it is a brain.How simple is that?

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hey Jack,

        The brain is the physical. The mind is the capacity of said brain. lol

        Therefore, they are not the same thing.

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You are speaking about the same thing.Mind is just a separated definition for the same word.

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            No it is not.

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Can you explain the Mind without using the brain?

  4. wilderness profile image95
    wildernessposted 5 years ago

    Interesting theory, that a source outside the body generates the electricity that flows in our neurons.  Lets take a look at it.

    Electricity is the flow of electrons down a conductor.  It may be electrons moving in a metallic wire that goes from a generator (hoover dam) to a light bulb and back.  It may be flowing from a battery through the body and chassis of a car to the starter motor and back on a wire.  It might even be flowing through the air from a cloud to the earth in the static display called lightning (yes, air is a conductor when the voltage is high enough).  In all cases, though, it is the movement of electrons.

    You are proposing that some outside, immaterial source creates these electrons (with their negative charge) and inserts them into our neurons.  Just where is the point of input?  We have no wires protruding from our skull...  If electrons are indiscriminately added to an object that object takes on a negative charge that must and will be discharged.  Where is the point of return to this unreal generator?  We don't run around sparking all the time...Just how are these electrons created?  Are anti-electrons created at the same time as a balance (with their own associated problems), or are there atoms floating around our heads with a positive charge after electrons are stripped from them?

    No, it would seem that there is too much evidence against an immaterial, unreal electrical generator for each and every person to consider the theory viable, let alone factual.  Sorry.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      This proves my point. Current knowledge available says that Jack was only speculating and/or passing along conjecture.

      Thank you Wilderness. lol

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You're welcome.  I might suggest to Jack that he present speculation as just that - speculation - and politely inquire if anyone has any knowledge that would disprove it rather than present it is factual information.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          smile

      2. Apostle Jack profile image61
        Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Wilderness,,.....knowledge speak for itself.Your brain theory don't hold any water.Let us talk about what make the brain cells,and what they are for.And let us see where your electricity come from.

    2. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You left out the explanation of spirituality,so therefore your findings are not complete.Electrons did not create themselves, and they don't exist by themselves.I know it is hard to admit and that it is a hard pill to take,but it is as it is.
      Where did your electricity come from?What elements are there that can perform that task.

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You don't seem to understand.  It takes exactly one contrary fact to disprove a theory but it takes many, many facts all in agreement to make a theory viable.  It also takes such things as peer review and experimentation before any theory can be accepted as factual.  Your presentation of your conjecture as factual and real does not and cannot make it so.

        Whether I explain spirituality to your satisfaction is immaterial.  Whether I teach you where electricity comes from is immaterial.  Whether I show you what elements might perform electrical generation is immaterial. 

        The only thing that does matter is that I have shown you not one, but several factual reasons why you conjecture cannot be real. 

        Your claims of my ignorance of other unrelated questions does not change that you have been given factual reasons why the theory cannot be true.  Until YOU can rebut those reasons the theory will remain in the trash can as worthless.

        Should you wish to continue the dissection of your theory I would expect a rebuttal of the facts I have proffered, beginning with the location and makeup of the electrical conductor passing the bony skull into the soft brain tissue inside.

        As a side issue I might ask how the electric eel generates the massive electrical charge it uses to kill its prey.  Does it, too, have an invisible eternal spirit generator working for it or does it make the electricity organically with it's own tissue?  Just a thought for consideration....

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          If you don't know...just say so.All your excuses can't patch the holds in your philosophy.You may fool a lot of people,but not all people.

          The eel has a spirit as well that generates his power.

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You haven't provided any rebuttal to the problems yet...

            Ignoring the problems and holes in your theory won't make them go away - you must patch the holes with explanation before trying to float the boat again. 

            When you have done so we can address your other questions.  With several decades of training and practical experience in the electrical field I humbly submit that I have a little more knowledge than you do in that area and am happy to share what I have.

    3. mathsciguy profile image60
      mathsciguyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      A-ha!  wilderness to the rescue! 

      This is the point I'd have made had I got in here sooner.  It does seem to me like ApostleJack is arguing that the synaptic activity in the brain is literally directly caused by a person's soul. 
      BUT - I do have one thing to add.  You may have noted that one of the assertions in ApostleJack's thesis is that the electricity in the brain has no known source, and therefore must be from an unknown spiritual source (ie, the soul).  However, the electricity in the brain is not so mysterious as he supposes.  Like other cells in the body, brain cells have a bit called mitochondria.  These sub-cellular pieces are responsible for converting most of the body's ATP, a chemical which reacts in the body to create energy.  This reaction results in what is called an electrochemical gradient along the cell membrane (Peter Mitchell won the Nobel for Chemistry for his work regarding the production of electrical energy by ATP), which in turn becomes your source of energy.

      So, if you want to call the mitochondria your "soul", then there is absolutely nothing wrong with ApostleJack's theory.

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hey Math, wouldn't that rewrite the definition? wink

        1. mathsciguy profile image60
          mathsciguyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, I reckon so - but, hey, maybe it's a definition that needs rewriting?

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            And, at this point, I would disagree. lol

            1. mathsciguy profile image60
              mathsciguyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I suppose you're right.  Hey what the hell is that on your new image there?

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                That's good.
                His name is Tyrael. He is a character from Diablo II - Lord of Destruction, computer role playing game. smile He is an Angel. lol

  5. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    I don't know which electric eel species you have observed. Was it a mythical one?


    The real ones store chemical energy provided by their own body, then convert it to electricity. smile

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Makes you wonder if fireflies have teeny tiny photon-generator-spirits just outside their little butts, doesn't it?

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Or that oranges,lemons and other citric fruits have little spirits in them so they can produce electrical current for that matter.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Potatoes!  Potatoes are good for that! (You'd never guess I live in the potato state would you?)

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Yes of course... the humble spud! I saw it on a kids show a few years back. smile

      2. Apostle Jack profile image61
        Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It might make you wonder,I already know why.

    2. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Not without a spirit they don't.Matter and flesh don't produce anything but cells and elements of the body.Explain how it is done...I say you can't.

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I swear, you have a comprehension problem. Did you not actually read Earnest's post? roll

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Did you not read what this post is all about?

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I did read what this pathetic post is about and it is also apparent that you have a comprehension problem. It's called not reading what is written.

            Then again, it could be just like my last post says...you have chosen to be ignorant about things. It's a choice you made. Nothing more, nothing less.

      2. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Take a container.  Stick in a few lead plates, connected together and with a wire leading out of the container.  Fill the remaining container space with sulphuric acid.  Stick a wire into the acid, again leading out of the container.  Voila!  Electricity from nothing but a container and two chemicals.  It's called a battery in laymans terms.

        There are a thousand replacement materials for the lead, and another thousand for the sulphuric acid.

        Every animal on earth is composed of chemicals and every animal with muscles and/or nervous tissue has the ability to make batteries in its body.  Electric eels have the ability to make a BIG battery.

        Rats!  I wasn't going to tell you how organic tissue can produce electricity until you solved the other electrical problems with your out-of-body-spirit-generator.  Oh well.

    3. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I never knew scientist is prove the brain produce electricity ,and you can't tell me how it is done if they had.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Actually I can  explain how the brain communicates using electricity..... and in great detail if you like. smile
        I didn't see anyone claim the brain made electricity though. smile

  6. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 5 years ago

    The brain is the physical item. If a doctor cut open your skull, he will find the brain.

    The mind is the capacity/storage of the brain.

    Thus, they are TWO different things.

    1. dutchman1951 profile image61
      dutchman1951posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      watch out Cag now he claim he is two in one!!!!!!     lolololol

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        He already is making the claim that a spirit resides, yet cannot prove it. It's okay. All he knows how to do is make claims. lol

        1. dutchman1951 profile image61
          dutchman1951posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I know, I read it, did not know or have anything to comment about it, except that I thought it was a bio-chem kinda thing the impulse's in a human brain, not an invisible spirit???   I am no expert though.

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I'm no expert either. Wilderness has more knowledge about it than I do. Earnest has more knowledge about it than I do. lol Just Jack, doesn't know Jack. lol

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Can you explain the mind without using the brain?If not....then they are one and the same.

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Read your own thread. It's been explained. DUH!

    2. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Cags, I realize I'm hijacking the thread here but..

      I agree that the storage, or more precisely the contents of that storage - the memories stored - are part of what I conceive of as mind. 

      Would you also consider the energy/electrical density pattern, the interconnections of neurons, the activity of the brain to be part of the mind?  I lack the words for what I'm trying to describe, and it borders (or is entirely) metaphysical but is the best I can do. 

      Storage seems incomplete for what I consider the mind to be.

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It's not a problem. You're not hijacking anything, because you're still on topic. lol
        Capacity is the only word I should have used. Not storage. The mind(capacity) expands.
        The activity you refer to is consciousness(on all levels).

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          OK, I'm with you then.  A different use of terminology is all. 

          I would have very nearly equated consciousness and mind while leaving capacity as part of the physical brain.  The number of neurons and interconnections between them.  The neuron count apparently decreases as they die and don't regenerate but the interconnections are what really seem to count and they change all the time.

          Different word usage for the same concepts.

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Agreed! smile big_smile

            1. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Amazing, isn't it, just how...intelligent ...a conversation can be when two people actually try to understand and learn? big_smile

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Wilderness.....patience and openness is key. wink Always a pleasure my friend. smile

                1. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, it has been a pleasure.  But it is already past my bedtime - you have a good night Cagsil.

    3. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Can you explain the mind without using the brain?

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You cannot have a mind, if you don't have a brain. lol

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Then it must be the same thing.They do not have separate definitions  nor separate existence.......because they are one and the same.

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            roll

        2. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          They are one and the same ,as i first said.

  7. SandyMcCollum profile image80
    SandyMcCollumposted 5 years ago

    I've never watched someone so diligently fling himself on a pitchfork time after time just to prove he doesn't know what he's trying to say while he tries to look smart.

    And you guys were so patient with him. Good on you.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol lol lol
      lol lol lol lol lol
      lol lol lol lol lol

    2. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      My point have already been made,and my purpose have already been achieved.

      1. SandyMcCollum profile image80
        SandyMcCollumposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, I agree. You're ignorant and you've proved it more than once.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol lol

  8. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 5 years ago

    Sorry folks. I am bowing out of this one. Stupidity can only be tolerated for only so long, before it becomes obvious that chosen ignorance is actually occurring. lol

  9. Randy Godwin profile image92
    Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago

    Ever wonder why such an all knowing deity would choose mostly ignorant folks to try and make others believe in his existence?  I think it's a requirement of some sort.  smile

    1. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It is to show God's ingenuity and power above  that of humankind.He takes the smallest thing and make it the greatest.Education from God is different from world knowledge.I am His example of such education.

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Then the only thing you've proven is that your god is ignorant moron. lol

      2. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        If God is your teacher and your purpose here was to show the world an example of His work I congratulate you.  You have shown, without even the merest shadow of doubt, that God is a total incompetent.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          At it again, huh Wilderness. Still trying... lol lol I think I said something similar to what you said, but I said it earlier today. lol lol lol lol lol

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Like you, still fishing.  Looking for that spark of intelligence supposedly built into the human race.  Searching diligently, but finding naught but the dross of Gods educational process.lol

            Yes you did.  Similar but not identical.  Perhaps the proper term is an incompetent moron? lol

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              lol lol lol

  10. thisisoli profile image55
    thisisoliposted 5 years ago

    People used to think the world was flat, because they could see the horizon...

  11. DuchessDuCaffeine profile image60
    DuchessDuCaffeineposted 5 years ago

    Humans are funny animals. We think we are the smartest mammals because we have opposable thumbs and because no other animal has come right out and told us that we aren't. Perhaps we are. When I was younger, pondering and researching such things, I came up with many answers; these, in turn, only created more questions.

    Science or spirit? Spirit or science? Which is right? Another human trait is the default inclination to believe there can only be one solution to every question. This is ironic when one considers the intricate balance of opposable qualities within us that allow us to exist -- never mind opposable thumbs! Our bodies are made of over 50% liquid and our brains have 'electricity' in them.

    Alter that intricate balance and one's heart could literally stop. What can start it again? Electricity. Yet, no one appreciates an electrical appliance dropped into their bath water; well, one that's on, that is.

    Personally, coming from a very unscientific background, I think it's a little science and a little spirit. By the way, about the thumbs? We may not be as superior as we think. Just the other day God told me that they were a mistake. He put them on backwards. He had to leave the Garden of Eden for a few days to deal with a couple of faulty volcanoes. By the time He returned, Adam and Eve had already learned how to use their thumbs just as they were, and He hadn't the heart to change them around. At least, that's what He told me...

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You having conversations with a god? Please seek help. Secondly, your statement proves your god that you believe in isn't perfect. Third and final strike, isn't your god supposedly omnipresent? If so, then he wouldn't had to leave the Garden of Eden to attend anything.

      On a side thought- Your statement also insinuates that your god is not too bright and shows the ignorance it apparently has.

      Just a few thoughts.

      1. DuchessDuCaffeine profile image60
        DuchessDuCaffeineposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, a very few, dear Cagsil.  Not being perfect myself, why would I expect perfection from God, or anyone for that matter? Perfection; now there's a relative and subjective myth. That's alright, though.  It's a big planet. There's room for all of us! I enjoyed reading some of your other hubs last night, too. Thanks.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Interesting statement.
          Everything is subjective, until it's viewed from all sides, at which time the view changes to objective.
          Yes it is.
          Actually, soon to be running out of room. lol
          My hubs or comments in the forums? There happens to be a difference. If you read my comments in the forums, that would not be a surprise. If you managed to read my hubs, then I'm honored and humbled, you would take the time to do so. However, if you did read my hubs(any of them), why didn't you feel like leaving a comment? Just curious.

          1. DuchessDuCaffeine profile image60
            DuchessDuCaffeineposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Your hubs.  It was well beyond my bedtime but I couldn't wind down enough for sleep. During the day I transcribe audio files and sometimes my brain isn't tired but my fingers are! That's why the mouse was invented, right? I will be returning to comment very soon smile

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Oh, okay. smile big_smile

 
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