What's your take on why it is OK for a woman to abort a child because it is her body and she can do with it as she likes, but it is not ok to not wear a seat belt for the same reason? I think it is because insurance companies lobby for seat belt laws while pro-abortionists lobby for pro-abortion laws. Please don't get me wrong, I am not against seat belts. I wear one whenever I get into a car, but I don't know if they should be mandated. The jury appears to be out on whether or not they save lives.
One has nothing to do with the other. Seat belt Law is for safety, and it was voted on in most communities where it is a Law. Abortion is a medical procedure offer to women who have unwanted pregnancies. It give them an option/choice. No child has a choice in being born. You didn't have the choice, so you cannot grant it the unborn.
The Human Right, known as Right to Life, has been so manipulated and distorted for a specific agenda- that agenda is to control people, by suppressing of a woman's individual rights.
You have a right to do whatever you want with your life. You were granted this right at birth. There are restrictions to your rights. If you do damage to society, then you will be held accountable. An individual's rights=choices made and action taken. When you make a choice, then follows action. That action is either good or bad, moral or immoral. You cannot avoid it, so do not try. The rights you have are tied to good choices. Any bad choice will have consequences and a reaction, which you will have to deal with, regardless of religious belief. Laws will provide the consequences.
Seat belts do save lives. This has been proven time and time again. But, just because it's proven effect, one should not be forced to wear one. Should you get into an accident and not be wearing one, then you have less of chance to walk away from the accident, depending on how bad the accident that occurs.
As I stated earlier, in most states, it was voted on by the communities and put in place. The people wanted it. Thus, they got what they wanted. It has been rejected as an oppression of individual rights, because it's actually what is best, on the path for continued survival of America. Just like, at present, there are plenty of States outlawing texting while driving and cell phones use while driving. The increasing death rates caused by and the increasing pricing on insurance is problematic, if not controlled/regulated.
You said, "One thing has nothing to do with the other." I was arguing whether they were the same but whether the principles are transferable. Abortionists argue that it is a woman 's body to do with as she please. Apparently, the courts agree. I'm asking why is that law or principle a valid argument when it comes to abortion but not when it comes to wearing seat belts?
Abortion being legal is because it is in the best interest of society, which people seem to dismiss.
Seat belts are also in the best interest of society. They are the same in that aspect.
Abortion was voted on to become legal. It wasn't always legal. It is legal because it gives women a option/choice, for unwanted pregnancies.
Seat belts were also voted on in many States, which then made a law. People understood that seat belts are in the best interest of society, because they save lives.
The Abortion debate is so distorted, it's not even funny. I wrote a hub on it, but then deleted it. It was better to attack it from the avenue it needed to be fought from. The rights side. If you're interested- Controversial: Rights vs Morals. It might help clear up the debate.
Your main point gets at a major complication of our culture. We value freedom. We don't like being told what to do. But we also are stuck living together and, like it or not, have an economy that is the cumulative result of what we all do (seat belt laws and the semi-idiocy that insurance has become). Making that even more complicated is religion and the varrying philosophies that work off of or against capitalistic principles, which are varried in themselves. What's "clearly right" for some is so glaringly wrong for others it makes it hard to breathe (the abortion issue).
Welcome to humanity. That's why no system of government has ever run smoothly. I think I heard it put perfectly once when someone said, "Democracy is the worst system of government you can possibly have. Except for all the rest."
" I wear one whenever I get into a car, but I don't know if they should be mandated." In most cases in my experience back in the day, it was those thrown from the car that survived, but that was because no one wore seat belts in those days. No doubt seat belts and air bags save lives and injury.
Insurance is socialist. Why should everyone have to share the cost of those who don't care.
If a person chooses not to wear a seat belt any medical care and other costs accrued as a result should be 100% paid by that person. Probably out of pocket as insurance companies don't like to cover people who take unnecessary risks.
If a person has an abortion it is not necessarily because they chose to get pregnant in conditions not favorable for carrying the child to term (e.g. rape, ignorance of biology, contraception failure). So I see that as different. (If they are using abortion as a primary form of birth control despite better available options, I would have a problem with that.)
A wise man once said, "do not ask for whom the bells toll, they toll for thee."
We are all part of the whole, and everything that everyone does affects us all in some way - no matter how far away that they are from us.
So every time someone hurts another, or themselves - it does, in fact, affect me, you, and everyone else.
You asked what is my take.
Well my take is that abortion should be outlawed, to me if their is no medical reason to abort a pregnancy then the pregnancy should be allowed to term.
If a baby is unwanted adoption is the best option.
As far as seatbelts go. I know of a child in my hometown whose car flipped over into a deep ditch off the side of the road. The ditch was full of water and the father could not get the child out of the seat. She drowned, she was eight I think.
But then again a seatbelt has saved many lives so I don't know what is better. But I think it should be for the individual driving to decide if passengers wear seatbelts.
Or for parents to decide for the child. Till they are old enough to make their own decision.
The Law is the Law so seatbelt laws need to be adhered to.
When I was fourteen I was raped, if I had gotten pregnant, maybe I would have opted for an abortion.......don't really know for sure.
The point is this...Personally I hate the idea of taking a life/killing a fetus/embryo.
However the circumstances of the pregnancy also have to be taken into consideration before passing judgement. If the pregnancy is potentially life threatening or will cause some psychological effect (like in the case of rape) then it must be left up to the woman who has to deal with carrying this child for the better part of nine months....I will not mention post pregnancy because she can adopt out.
There are many factors surrounding abortion and it is not fair to judge until the facts of each case are on the table.
You can tattoo and pierce your body, you can abuse and destroy your body.
You can give away parts of your body yet you cannot make a profit off the transaction.
You are told what is legal to put in your body and can even be charged with the contents of your stomach.
So, even though I fully believe I own my body and my life. Government may disagree in certain instances.
I hadn't thought about those situations. It is true that you cannot sell parts of your body (or even rent your body, as in the case of prostititution in most states). So, I guess there are other situations where your body is not your to do with as you please. Then again, no one brought up suicide either. Maybe we all are on the same page on that one.
Yes, it is illegal for a person to sell a part of their body for profit. So, selling an arm or a leg or even a lung is illegal.
As for the prostitution Laws, that's a completely different story.
This is one of the many reasons for debates with rights. It's based on the interpretation vs the best interests of society's future.
Yes, suicide has been deemed illegal, including assisted suicide. I don't agree, because it's foolish to think of to begin with.
Are you going to be prosecuted for the crime? Only if you fail?
We are supposed (I am American) to live in the most free country in the world.
I am old enough to remember the butcher shops which did illegal abortions. The loss of life, and complications of those were staggering. The point is women are going to make that choice whether abortions are legal or not. In those days parents of pregnant teens did everything they could to keep the neighbors from knowing about the pregnancy or an abortion.
I personally don't know any of my peers who were around anyone who had a botched abortion that would want the country to go back to that as the only choice.
Seat belt laws are just nuts. I can understand people wanting the law, my wife was thrown from a vehicle because she was not wearing one and died from the injuries two days later. I also had a friend burn to death because his vehicle was on fire and he couldn't get his off. Where the nuts part comes in is you can actually be given a ticket for no seat belt if you sitting in a car with the keys in the ignition, even if the key is in the off position. This was learned from personal experience.
For those who have a real problem wearing them a move to Kansas might be a good idea. The fine for no seat belt is $5.00 for the first offense and there are no court costs. (Backing away with negative body language saying) NO it wasn't learned from personal experience.
I don't allow children in a vehicle I am driving without a seat belt. If they refuse to put them on the vehicle is never started. This is in spite of the fact that I personally knew children who died wearing them.
What about a person who wants a baby but can't get pregnant even with medical help. It's her body. That's what she wants to do with it.
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