"What He Said" - and When it's Plagiarism

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Disclaimer: I am not an attorney and this is not intended to provide legal advice. I am presenting the facts that I found in my personal research.

What is Plagiarism?

Plagiarism by definition according to Dictionary.com is, "the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work and by not crediting the author."

Seems simple but it isn't just about copying words. It can be related to stealing another persons thoughts or ideas. Singers have been sued for stealing music. Writers have been convicted of plagiarizing themselves! Plagiarism can be related to paraphrasing or using too many references from a piece that could be considered copying another's work. Spinning an article is another form of plagiarism.

Advances in technology have made it nearly impossible for plagiarism to go undetected but it happens in many ways. Copying and pasting makes it extremely easy for anyone to fabricate a document and as long as laws are made - there will be people willing to break them.

So "What He Said" has already been said and if you say it again - you need to quote the original source.

My Sweet Lord

He's So Fine - The Chiffons

Famous Plagiarism Cases

George Harrison released a song titled, "My Sweet Lord" on January 15, 1971, his first solo single. A month later Bright Tunes filed a suit against Harrison claiming he had plagiarized the music from a song released by The Chiffons in 1962, "He's So Fine." The case was taken to trial, heard and the judge ruled against Harrison. The Judge called it subconscious plagiarism and fined Harrison $587,000.00.

Martin Luther King, Jr., plagiarized his doctoral dissertation and has also been accused of plagiarizing portions of his famous, "I Have a Dream" speech among other documents.

Shakespeare has been accused of plagiarism although it is not clear.

My personal favorite is Melissa Elias, former New Jersey School Board President. Apparently she didn't have time to write her own speech so she used Anna Quindland's speech when she won her Pulitzer Prize to "inspire" her. I bet she was surprised to hear that speech had already been given - and written by somebody else. Elias was giving her speech to the graduating class at Madison High School. I am sure it was unforgettable.

You Are Plagiarizing When.......

  • you copy someone else's work word for word
  • you change an authors words around
  • you steal someone's idea and pretend it was your own
  • you 'forget' to use those quotation marks!
  • you 'forget' to cite your sources
  • you use someone's music and/or change the words

You Can Plagiarize Yourself!

Fellow hubber barbergirl28 made a commitment to do an extreme exercise challenge called P90X by Tony Horton. She also write's about her progress each day. She wrote an introduction explaining the routine and found that she was unknowingly plagiarizing herself! Even though she wrote the words - she found out that she could not use those exact same words each day.

If you have done a term paper in college and saved it for future reference and turned it in again for another assignment - plagiarism! You just plagiarized yourself. Here's a good rule of thumb - if you have written it once - you can't write it again and call it new.

How to Avoid Plagiarism

Here's a novel idea - write your own work, using your own words and ideas!

If you are not sure that you wrote what you are getting ready to publish - you can put your work through a free online checker that I have linked below.

It is also a great idea to put your work through the online checker to see if anyone else is copying your work. The internet has made it so easy for this to occur.

If you think that your work has been plagiarized, I have linked "Report Plagiarism Now" which explains in detail the steps you can take to protect your work.

Consequences for plagiarism could be expulsion from a college or university. Criminal prosecution, fines, community services, jail time in addition to possibly facing a civil case.

"If you steal from one author it's plagiarism; if you steal from many it's research." ~ Wilson Mizner

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Lord De Cross profile image

Lord De Cross 5 years ago

Great Job RealHousewife!

I try to be nice always...but we keep Plagiarizing ourselves and not even noticing it. And thanks for the links! Will be needed..and is at our fingertips now; Thanks to you! Have a great night

LORD


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hello Lord - yep its easy to do. I did not know that I could plagiarize myself though! I'm glad barbergirl28 told me about it - then I found out it isn't just a hub thing:) lol. Hope the links help if you do ever need it. Thanks so much - you have a great night also:)


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Lord De Cross 5 years ago

A little boboo my friend:

"Elias was giving her speech to the graduting class"

just correct your graduting... to graduating...shhh! erase this comment in less than five seconds( mission impossible theme please..)


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Haha! Dear Lord! Thank you so much:). You know - I did spell check and thought I changed it already. Actually I'm rather glad you pointed it out though - proof that I do not mind for future reference:) thanks! I hate typos and I really appreciate that....and I am going to accept this mission! Lol. You're awesome!


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Lord De Cross 5 years ago

Please! you promised me to keep a little secret!..gotta go now..!


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ThoughtSandwiches 5 years ago from Reno, Nevada

Real...

Great. I am now expecting calls from Agatha Christie, John Steinbeck, William Faulkner...

I didn't know you could plagiarize yourself...I mean...I thought it was called something different...late at night...no one looking...

Excellent job my friend...I will keep an eye on my future projects...the words tend to be mine...I abuse the hell out of other people's visions though.

Thomas


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

TS - actually! There is a term for that:) but it's another subject! Lol. Well - now you know! So don't go repeating yourself! Hahaha

Thank you so much - it's fine to use other people's visions! If they were to blind to see it should have been written - then opportunity knocks! Lol


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Just Ask Susan 5 years ago from Ontario, Canada

Great article RH! I didn't know there was an online "FREE" Plagiarism detector. I love FREE :) and will have to start using it. To check for stolen content of course :) Good explanation of what plagiarism is.


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Frank Atanacio 5 years ago from Shelton

Interesting Hub.. and because of word shortages and idea shortages.. Plagiarism will only escalate.. you see that today on television sit-coms and crime drama TV.. I think they will change the word Plagiarism to recycling

I enjoyed reading your research and views..Frank


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chicagoguy 5 years ago from Chicago ,USA

@ Realhousewife !! this is great informations !! thanks


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Barbara Kay 5 years ago from USA

This was a good informative article and thanks for the useful tool to use.


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Sunshine625 5 years ago from Orlando, FL

Excellent hub!! I had a couple of my hubs stolen word for word and if it wasn't for another hubber spotting them on another site I never would have known and had that "writer" kicked to the curb. I'm going to pimp this out so others will be aware of the rules of the game! Thank you for devoting your time and research into this masterpiece! You got my VOTE!:)


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Cardisa 5 years ago from Jamaica

Thank you RH for this enlightening hub. People don't quite understand the ramifications of plagiarism. You have explained it extremely well.


Motown2Chitown 5 years ago

This was REALLY good, and REALLY useful. I've wondered about the plagiarizing yourself thing with my Starless installments, because I use the same introduction and summary for each, but so far, there hasn't been a problem. Phew! Lots of great info in here! :)


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revmjm 5 years ago from Richmond, VA

Thanks for these reminders!


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Victoria Lynn 5 years ago from Arkansas, USA

Great, Realhousewife! I stress to my students all the time the importance of NOT plagiarizing--what it is, what it means... I may have to use the link to this hub next semester for one of their lessons! Awesome!


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Susan - I found quite a few free cheater checkers online! I did hear that sever haub people have found their work out there - being plagiarized! I thought this might be kinda boring:) but I was interested to do the research and double check what I remembered from school.

Thanks so much:)


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Chicagoguy - thanks so much! (Go Bears!) lol


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Plagiarizers should be shot on sight! And I stole that idea from somewhere.

Ever hear the quote, "there is nothing new under the sun"?

Plagiarized.

You gotta know you're getting old when you plagiarize yourself, ROFL


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Brabara Kay - thank you very much! I hope they help you catcch anyone who's trying to steal your words:) lol


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Sunshine! Wow - I am so glad you shared that here. I have heard of this happening to other hub writers too! I would be super mad if someone just lifted my work like that!

Glad you found it and shut it down! Good for you! Thanks again for letting people know it really is important to check and protect your work!


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Cardisa - well thank you! You helped me with your articles about spinning (which I see the S is not blue:) lol I'll fix that but I knew people would want to check that info out as well so I linked your article there - which was great information!


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Revmjm - I was actually just doing the research to remind myself of all the rules (some teacher in school said you can't copy more than three words from someone else's sentence or it's plagiarism. Now I didn't find that as a law - it must have been her personal rule:). But yep - been a long time since I reviewed it! Thank you so much!


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi MO! I noticed that - but it just don't seem wrong:) apparently Stacy has to change her into a little each day. Shhhhhhhh I hope you didn't just bust yourself, admittedly you ARE a rule breaker though - so you're doing fantasic! Hahaha! Thanks woman - and damn good to see ya!


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Austin - I really hate cheaters. I think people that plagiarize - knowingly stealing someone else's work and calling it their own - should get a finger chopped off! Lol. It's such a cowardly thing to do - and it's stealing!

I noticed you did you quotations so......it's cool! No plagiarism! Lol

Now I'm gonna make my kids learn all about it!

Yeah Stacy will be glad to know she's matured so much - she's repeating herself! Haha!


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infoforum 5 years ago from Universe

well written simple and well explained!


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Victoria Lynn - thank you so much! And thanks for being a teacher:). I loved the video of the teacher doing the parody! Wow! That was an awesome way to teach their whole school about this. She is a great singer too! And what an interesting way to try to hammer home the point:).


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tsmog 5 years ago from Escondido, CA

thank you Realhousewife. I took Lord de Cross hint and put a citation on my mission impossible parody hub http://tsmog.hubpages.com/hub/Impossible-Mission will make a great example of plagiarism for your hub, although written in fun and jest. It's a good thing it was not submitted for the contest because it would never have flown.

I am pondering original thought now. When we write information hubs, be they a product or a solution, how do we protect our work if we learned the previous as a child from mom or dad, then remembered as an adult. I mean mom or dad learned it from someone else.

A lot of thought on this subject can be discussed. This would be a great forum entry too! Just remember you can't link to the hub from the forum, since it is against the rules - you can't promote a hub in a forum question (not sure of the exact TOS).

A challenge for me would be plagiarism of self. Many of my college papers were internet classes. So. If I use one of those papers here, thinking it is not published, is it in fact published, therefore plagiarized.

I will be using your links this year. I only have 54 hubs so it will be easy to check. That brings up another question. Do the Google bots check our publications for plagiarism, then rank our work in the web accordingly? And, we just don't know that or can someone answer that?

A very delightful, interesting, and definitely thought provoking as well as informative hub Realhousewife. I thank you again for bringing this to my attention! Well done and great information flow within the article. voted awesome and up , , ,


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barbergirl28 5 years ago from Hemet, Ca

Great information... I am going to have to chck into that free plagerizing tool. Did I tell you about the time that someone actually took my Self Hypnosis article and completely copied the whole thing on another site. It was kind of a pain in the butt but I got it removed. Another hubber found it... I am glad they told me about it.


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Inforforum - thanks very much! And good luck with all your writing:)


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chicagoguy 5 years ago from Chicago ,USA

Go Bears GO!! thanks


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Tsmog - thank you very much! Ahh thanks for that link...I'm going to see what's up with that. Plagiarism - I think has A lot to do with "intent". You can accidentally plagiarize yourself....but if it's unconscious - or because younread something so many times when it's time to write a draft - our minds can believe we actually wrote those thoughts instead of them being our original words. Like Harrison - I really think the huge was right - I don't think he stole the music - I think it was in his head and he wrote his own word to that drummer up there:) lol

Thanks so much for the additional hint! I'm off to check it out:)


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

BBG - darn it! Yes you did tell me about that! I couldn't remember who said they went through this and which article. I'm going to link it here too! Thanks so much for allowing me to cite your issue as an example for everyone to heed here on hub! As you see - lots of us had no idea. Oh and wow! Thanks because I believe you gave me this idea for this hub!


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barbergirl28 5 years ago from Hemet, Ca

Well your very welcome... although the brilliance was all you. I think this is a very important topic. So many people just copy and paste and even then... they don't reference right... Oh - I don't think I did the proper referenceing of my sites on yesterday's hubs... I listed them but they weren't in APA format... I should probably go back and change that to proper formation or something like that.


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Chicago guy - I love the Bears - we won't even talk about the Rams:) haha poor poor Bradford:(


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

BBG - I think when you told me about your hub being stolen we started chatting about what constitues plagiarism....so acutally it resonated a while before I wrote it - oh gosh! I hope I didn't steal your IDEA! haha Yes - I leave references out a lot - by choice - if someone wants to call me out on a bit of research I will be glad to provide it - otherwise it's a pain to do like a bibliography:) haha - If I use a direct quote - then I do it proerly (I think!) lol


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writer20 5 years ago from Southern Nevada

Great hub to help all writers, thank you.


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hello Writer 20! Thanks so much! It's a good refresher for sure :)


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Hi, RealHousewife,

So much has been written over the centuries that I sometimes wonder if there are any genuinely new ideas.

Great Hub.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX

RHW - Using the legal definition it may be that all of us have plagiarized. It just isn't possible that two or more people have the same original thoughts right? LMBO

The Frog


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Will - I found that out! LOL Actually I think the laws just favor the true cases of plagiarism. James Cameron was also sued for plagiarism and lost. And there may be no new genuine ideas but different ways of looking at things. I am glad though - that there are easier ways of seeing if someone is stealing our work:) lol Thanks so much!


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mythicalstorm273 5 years ago

Ugh... I'm so sick of the idea of plagiarism! Did you know in some cultures you do not have to site a single thing!? It is believed that great authors and ideas should be spread and if you use someone else's idea it is the best way to learn and spread that knowledge. Also you are more likely to be honest about it if you are not forced to do so! I think that is a bit extreme, but all of the laws we have are extreme as well... For example the whole like 150 years plus some that Disney movies have for copyright laws... I forget what the rule is, but it is something like the lifetime of the author after they die or something... That means half of the things we think about, write, watch or do with video games or board games infringe upon some sort of copyright law! It leaves very little room for new ideas or old ideas with a twist to make their way into our world... then you end up with the same people doing all of the work and making the most money out of it because they can 'give permission' to themselves to reuse an idea as long as it has a twist! IDK the whole thing has a point, but like so many things in our world I believe it has gotten way to extreme. Anyway... Great Hub RHW... I just hate plagiarism!! lol. (In case you can't tell ;-))


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Frog! I am sure we all have - but not in intentional ways. I think the cases we know that the work was stolen (like barbergirl28 and sunshine625).

LOL Frog - I bet we all do think about a lot of the same things - the language in how we tell it should just be our own:) It is always exciting to hear anything original though! haha

Thanks so much!


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Myth! Oh I can tell it's a thorn in your side:) lol Sorry! ha! Yeah the copywrite laws are pretty technical..but I think it is pretty hard to actually sue anyone unless it was pretty flagrant. Like Harrison, I can totally hear the same base, beat and rhythm in that song - but I don't think he conscientiously "stole" that music.

I also wonder how many people didn't have the foresight to realize plagiarism software would be developed and we could find out their dirty little secrets:) ooops!

Thanks myth - now don't think about it anymore! haha!


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Daffy Duck 5 years ago from Cornelius, Oregon

Subconscious plagiarism? If he didn't know he was doing it then shouldn't there be leniency? Shouldn't someone be given a chance to correct it? It's like nothing I've heard of before. Wow.

Interesting hub.


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barbergirl28 5 years ago from Hemet, Ca

You know I was thinking about this as I was sitting through a meeting for Abby's science fair project. It seems now a days you have to site everything... which basically states that you can not have your own thoughts because you have to get it from somewhere else. It gets a little irritating. But I guess in away it is important. I would hate to have written something and have someone else take it but with the internet... there are so many things around that someone else has already said. But it was funny... sitting through the meeting all I could think about was your hub! I am so glad I am not in school anymore! LOL


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Daffy - I know! And not to mention that the Chiffons released their song years before Harrison! I thought it was crazy too. I mean the lyrics were nothing alike at all - Harrison was a solo singer...I couldn't believe that one either.

Thanks! I am glad you liked it!


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

BBG - Science fair is crazy! And I think that pertains more to where you got your statistics and info...and in the report they just have to summarize basically or use the " " if they are directly quoting. It is a challenge for sure...and don't forget multiple trials!! lol

You better double check Bella for the copying - I think she may be into forgery too! lol She's what 7? Girl after my heart:)


lorraine kay 5 years ago

this HUB was interesting and I enjoyed it very much. RHW you are clever. I dig the way you write. I am now going to be much more aware of what i write. The responses here are also really interesting. I love what the others have to say. You respond to all of them, and that too is fun. I have been following your HUBS and do not commment often, as I feel others have said it better. What what do i know....? Is that plargiarism? I suppose not. Thanks for all the articles. Please keep them coming.


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drbj 5 years ago from south Florida

Hi, Kelly. Copying and pasting makes it extremely easy for anyone to fabricate a document and as long as laws are made - there will be people willing to break them. I just plagiarized the statement you made at the end of your fourth paragraph in this revealing hub. I did it on purpose, my dear, because you wrote so eloquently what is happening to so many writers these days. Thanks for providing that excellent link we can use to search for those miscreants who dare to use our ageless prose.


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Welcome Lorraine Kay - and thank you so much for your many compliments! You commen all you want and say whatever ya think...that's how it works! Some people do not read all of the comments so yours will always be unique and appreciated:).

I'm really glad to hear you enjoy the commentary - it is a lot of the fun sometimes! Lol. And you can learn a ton of information as people bring their personal experiences into the thread. Keep on keeping on girl!


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Drbj! It really annoys me that people try to steal the words right out of our mouths! There really isn't a governing board for this yet - but now that copying and pasting is so contagious groups such as "Report Plagiarism Now" are forming to combat the problem. Not many people actually are penalized for it other than it being humiliating right now but I suspect progress will be made to catch the real cheaters.

I think that the research, thought and time we put into our work is very unique and valuable. If anyone can just take that away it cheapens it. To me - what comes out of my head through thought, experience, research and observation are mine.....unless I give them away. I'm real childish and selfish like that:) lol. Thank you SO much!!


lorraine kay 4 years ago

thank you realhousewife, then i shall.


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Sharyn's Slant 4 years ago from Northeast Ohio USA

Hi Kel,

Many years ago, I entered a poetry contest. I was young and dumb btw. So I was extremely excited when I received a blue ribbon for honorable mention. I do realize now that I think everyone got the same ribbon. But my point is that several months (after my excitement wore off, ha), I heard a new song on the radio that flew off the charts to number one. The lyrics were almost identical to my poem. The title was identical. Are you ready for a rant?

The title of the POEM (and song) is Thinking of You

By Safire

Safire's real name is Wilma Cosme. She was born in 1967 in San Juan, Puerto Rico, and she grew up mostly in East Harlem. If you check out her biography, it states that she co-wrote Thinking of You. She didn't. She lied. She may have tweaked a little of my poem, making it a song about her uncle that died. But she lied. I wrote it. Thinking of You was on her first album. No one ever heard of her, at least in the U.S., until this popular song came out of nowhere.

I do remember asking lawyers that I worked with at the time if there was something I could do. I guess there wasn't because nothing ever came of it. About five years ago, I did some research because I thought about this "theft" and was upset all over again. Pretty much I was told "get over it." I wasted my time, just like I am wasting yours right now. Sorry.

This was 1984, I'm still pissed. Thanks for allowing me to vent.

Oh, and by the way, great hub Kel! Wonderful topic! I gotta go take some Advil PM now.

Sharyn


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Sharyn - That is one perfect example of why it should not be legal for anyone to use our work. It is theft! I spend hours doing research for most of my articles - I take copious notes - I even have a system in place where I use quotations when I am directly quoting or other symbols to indicate to myself that I paraphrased, i.e. In other words I go to great lenghts to avoid stealing the words out of someones mouth. I don't want anyone lifting my work. If a person does the research they should have plenty of words to say that come from their own heads. I always have way too many:) If you write from your own head - no one should profit from that.

I was so interested to see that the talkblog.info stuff came up today!!! How ironic, right?

I see it this way....writers get paid to write....I might turn that cash into a car...a person would be put in jail for stealing my car...shouldn't be fair for someone to profit from our work!

I am so glad you left that comment Sharyn and while I am sorry that happened - such a shame - I am glad people can see a great example of why we should care!

Thanks again!


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Sharyn's Slant 4 years ago from Northeast Ohio USA

Kel,

Great example you stated: cash into car, theft of car.

And yes, I just heard about the talkblog.info stuff today. I was late to that party which I guess started a couple days ago. But I'm glad I kind of missed it. And glad to hear the site is down. I got a major headache after reading all the forum posts. I just don't understand it all and still have a lot to learn. But I'm not sure I even want to. Just leave my stuff alone, damn it! Seriously, I for one am thankful for the people that do understand and did something about it quickly.

No more ranting for me tonight, nite nite.

Sharyn


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hey Sharyn - btw - that isn't a rant:) lol I can totally understand how thinking about all that can bring the anger back to the boiling point. And again - if you don't tell anyone about it then nothing can be done. The lawyer you worked for probably knew it would be hard to beat and didn't want to invest time which equals money but I feel that chick stole your house in a way. I hope people do stay on it and everyone learns to protect their work.

I have a ton to learn girl - and I am just following along picking up what gets put down my friend:) lol


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Hello, hello, 4 years ago from London, UK

Very well explained and very comprehensive. Thank you.


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Well Hello - hello, hello~! Thank you so much - I was so shocked to see all the stuff going on in hub with the plagiarism right after I published this. Now I am getting notified I am "duplicating" my own work. Hope you aren't getting yours stolen too!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon

excellent work. Personally, like my credit, if someone wants to steal my writing, I'm flattered. I just want to get paid :-)

Interesting about self plagiarizing...


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clayxmatthewsxfan 4 years ago from King of Prussia, Pennsylvania

Guilty as charged. I had this one class in school where the prof. was insane and I couldn't finish the work. I was already in panic attack mode and copied stuff. I was caught by the software and well, I'm lucky I didn't get kicked out. Now, I cite everything thoroughly.

I have to say I agree with Myth. Although I am an author, sometimes I think copyright laws are strident. Says the person who wants to be a copyright editor! lol.


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Admiral_Joraxx 4 years ago from Philippines

Thanks for this well written hub. I am surprised to know that I can plagiarized myself. Just like the hubber you cited. So I cannot write the same things and thoughts over and over again. Thanks again. I vote up and useful.=) Happy new Year!


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

I agree PDX - it is a form of flattery but you know with all the articles that are being stolen from hub - they thieves are getting our traffic and the click credits:). I hate that people can rip off our work....I spend several hours to a couple of days doing research for mine sometimes and in one little click of the mouse so done can call it theirs! Ha!

I didn't know that simply repeating the intro could be plagiarism! Thanks a lot and I hope no one rips off your beautiful poetry!


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Clayxmatthewsxfan - ah! Poor you - I have never copied for school because I knew I would get caught. I get caught if I do anything wrong! Lol. It makes me extremely nervous because I KNOW this:) my husband says I should never lie either - I'm super bad at that too! Haha! Now they have that software...they didn't even have that when I went to college!

Do you really want to be a copyright editor? That is awesome - good luck! Myth is super smart and in school now...I am so glad she added those thoughts because I never looked at it that way! We do infringe all day long I guess!


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Admiral - nope! You can't write the same thing every day and still get paid real American dollars. Now as Myth pointed out - you may be able to in like Tapawanga but not here:) lol. Several of the writers I follow - write series type of articles and they can't even repeat the intro each day....the entire intro also has to be re-written! Lol. Barbergirl28 took one for the team for me to find out!


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clayxmatthewsxfan 4 years ago from King of Prussia, Pennsylvania

PDX hit it on the nail. I'd be flattered if someone stole my poetry, but of course I want to be played my royalties.


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tillsontitan 4 years ago from New York

Your points about plagiarizing yourself made me nervous. I'll have to re-read my hubs to make sure I haven't done it, especially my series. Pretty scary stuff, and yet none of us wants their ideas stolen.


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Clayx - thank you! It is something to think about...I earn a living turning out reports in the R.E. market...I wouldn't want anyone stealing my reports I would be in the poorhouse!

Writing is work...the time, research, spell checking - these are our thoughts..and people can steal 'em just in a New York minute. Then they are turning our profit!


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi tillsontitan - I wouldn't worry too much but I would change them a little. Check out barbergirl28's series on P90X and see how she did hers if you need a good example!

Thanks so much - and right on....no one should be able to reach out and steal the food from our tables, so to speak.


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maxravi 4 years ago from India

Nice tips. thanks for writing this in HP.voted up!


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Maxravi! thank you so much and good luck to you in 2012!


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homesteadbound 4 years ago from Texas

I actually had some hubs where I was having duplicate content issues and it was because I was plagiarizing myself also. It was too funny! I had no idea.

You want to hear something funny, that I hope you have an answer for - I tried to register for a free account with the plagiarism site you mentioned but it won't let me! It keeps giving me the error message:

"Oops! Multiple accounts are not allowed.

Duplicate IP 72.48.94.34"

Getting a duplicate error on a plagiarism site is pretty funny, especially when I have never been there before, never tried to register before, tried different user names, different email addresses and different passwords. They just will not allow me to set up an account with them. And when I try to enter a search on the landing page, it tells me I have exceeded my number of free searches and I've never even done one!


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Tricia Ward 4 years ago from Scotland

Nice Hub, still a bit confused about plagiarising yourself, given that the definition is the unauthorised use of the author. I can understand that a site might have a rule about original content only but that would be more to do with their rule.Or if you have published something on 2 different sites that you don't own. But sure if I own 2 blogs and write similar entries, since I have ownership that is down to me. I guess it depends on the terms and condition and the content copyright. Whether you retain 100% or whether the site you publish on has content rights. Similarly if I copy a paragraph from one of my essays, it would be interesting to see how they could say that it is unauthorised use. (Perhaps different if it is a formally published paper) What do folks think?


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

First Hi Homesteadbound! And congrats!!! Yay!

Next - I am not sure which link you mean? I tested both the free plagiarism checker and Stop Plagiarism Now and I even pretended like I was going to report some plagiarism and it did bring the form up. I am sure I am confused about what you mean - let me know and I will try to answer for sure or get rid of a broken link!

Thank you so much for you help too!


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Tricia Ward - I am confused about it too so anyone may step in and correct me if I am wrong - but from what I understand you can plagiarize yourself because of TOS and not being able to publish the same material twice. Even if it is your very own. I think they see it from a very simple standpoint that duplication of any sort is not allowed.

I would be interested to see if anyone else has a more complete and better answer! Homesteadbound just above you had a comment about the same thing.

In the research that I did - they also talked about plagiarizing yourself. They gave the example of say turning in a term paper twice! If a person tried to quickly turn in a report they had previously turned in to another teacher they are plagiarizing themselves. That one I can understand!

Thanks so much for reading and the great comment!


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homesteadbound 4 years ago from Texas

RealHousewife - your link is fine.It took me straight there. I believe the problem is theirs, although I can't imagine. I have posted an error on their site and hopefully they will get back with me. I wanted to check them against copyscape which is what I have been using. Please don't worry about it. Thanks so much!


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homesteadbound 4 years ago from Texas

I am not for sure, but this is what I think. I think the plagiarism check is done automatically and your hub is taken down for duplicate content without any human intervention. It is just automatic.

When I did my nebula series, I used the same intro on #2-#5. It can be overwritten by human intervention however, I think it would still be a stumbling point for google so I rewrote each intro until none of them were flagged as duplicate content by copyscape. That was when I started using it. I could not figure out how it could be duplicate content, not thinking of myself as plagiarizing myself. But if the HP bots or whatever they are finds it to be duplicate, then I was almost sure that the google bots would also. So I decided to change it for my overall benefit.

Hope that helps a little.


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Thanks Homesteadbound! Well I will check it again tomorrow just to see ... I found a few so it would be pretty easy to actually find one that works:) lol

Yeah Barbergirl28 had the same problem with the P90X series she was doing for 90 days...she had to change each introduction each day to keep it in the good with hub:) I do think it has to do with bots though - if computers can't differentiate I guess...so it makes a little more sense.

Thanks so much for your help!


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Tricia Ward 4 years ago from Scotland

I can't see how you can plagiarise yourself. As you say plagerism is about copying another idea or words from another author. I think people must be getting confused between copyright infringement and plagiarism. My poems are done by me. If I choose to publish it in an anthology and the copyright remains with me. I am free to publish elsewhere. If you submit the same paper to numerous places it can be accepted by more than one. The only catch would be if they have a policy of only publishing previously unpublished work. I think the difference must be terms and conditions. Hubpages may for example have a condition about its content. If I want to make the same point over and over again that is up to me if I hold the copyright. I think people must me getting confused between the two....


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ukbusiness 4 years ago from Bristol, UK

It does get a bit stupid when people are getting sued for unintentional plagiarism, especially when the connection made is very far fetched.

I knew a student who got penalised for plagiarism even though he had never seen the book he supposedly copied directly out of. If you can easily get accused of plagiarism then you should at least be able to fight your battle.

Nice hub though, voted up!


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Tricia Ward 4 years ago from Scotland

Found this on Hubpages help section.

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Who owns the content that I post on HubPages?

The content is entirely yours. We simply provide the technology to support it. You may add a Creative Commons license to your work if you feel it’s necessary.

If someone on HubPages has used your copyrighted content without permission, please see How do I file a copyright complaint?

So the content here is YOURS. That means you hold the copyright. Hubpages likes original content however, so if you cut and paste loads they may get annoyed....easiest way around that is refer to your previous hub where you made the similar point though.


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Tricia Ward! I think it is important to note that while you own the content...the TOS here says you can't duplicate. You can shop an article around to many places and have it published in two if you like but the main thing there is crediting. You have to tell the publisher that it is published somewhere else - even your own work. I think that is the major thing..and why so many people are getting busted lifting our work off this site! lol

So use this article for instance...I can back link it - or I can take it down and publish somewhere else but due to HP TOS - they don't allow that. If I was freelancing it and sent this to 10 people and they all agreed to publish it as long as they knew it was published somewhere else it would be fine.

Thanks so much!


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi ukbusiness - wow! I have actually wondered about that before. I mean couldn't it be coincidental too at times? I guess if you were talking about a very general thing - but it seems like it would be hard to repeat too many of the same exact words of someone else's.

I do think there are some crazy rules - but I do understand why they have them...like Homestead said - bots can't decided if it is a silly error or just plain plagiarism. Thanks - I am sure more people will be interested to know that too!


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Tricia - I agree that copyright infringement and plagiarism are tied together and very confusing but for the purpose of my article I was only talking about copying another's work. It does fall under the protection of copyright laws though...that is for sure! Thanks for adding that though so other people will know where that is! Happy 2012!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon

Kelly, thanks for calling my poetry beautiful. I hope no one steals my stuff, but, if they do, i guess I could milk it into publicity, right?


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi PDX - your poetry is beautiful..and deep too. I like your style. LOL That sounds hilarious but I think you know what I mean..!

No one will know the work is yours! Some other bad poet dude would be trying to pick up chicks with it saying it was his and all:) haha!


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tammyswallow 4 years ago from North Carolina

This is an awesome hub. I think that if any of us were to plagerize, it is because it is impossible to know of every similar publication. This makes me wonder if we should start citing more of our subject material here. Any thoughts?


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DanielNeff 4 years ago from Asheville, NC

This is a very informative and useful Hub. I only skimmed the comments, so I apologize if this is redundant, but it seems the tool for checking your work could be useful to monitor whether others have plagiarized something you've written.


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi Tammy - I rarely cite my sources:). I do lots of work and research for each hub (usually) and here is how I feel..I don't want to reveal them unless there is a problem. I think it would be easier for someone to duplicate a version of my work!


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Hi DanielNeff - thank you so much! I do like the checker...it's free and I use it to make sure I don't have something accidentally copied now!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon

kelly, I have tremendous style, and I'm a pretty okay writer. I have no need to pick up chicks with my poetry anymore, so, I'll trade. he can have the chicks, I'll take the cash :-)


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

PDX - Yeah well since you have that beautiful wife you don't need the extra chicks:) lol I don't blame you - I do value the dollar!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon

i can barely handle the one chick. and yes, she's beautiful :-)


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

I have seen her, so I know! You are both so lucky...I can tell you are like my husband and myself PDX. We have been extremely happy for 19 years now together:) I bet you two will have just as much fun and happiness!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon

Kelly, I hope so! I hope you and yours are having a fab Valentine's Day


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

You too PDX! I bet you and your lovely wife had a great day! We did - outside of worrying about my kids being sick - everything was perfect!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon

we did, Kelly... and i hope your kids are better!


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO Author

Oh thanks! You just gave me another smile - they are both mending nicely! Cross my fingers:)

I am so glad you had a nice trip too! I had a blast!

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