A Penn'orth Philosopher

My notes for writing a book

I often write things to amuse myself or in the hope of being able to use them in the book I am in the process of writing, but then sometimes I fall into the trap of thinking that I am Disraeli, who said that “When I want to read a good book, I sit down and write it”. When that happens, I am so full of myself, that I think everyone will enjoy the thoughts I put on paper, as much as I do. Seriously. I must be insane.

Sometimes I go back and read things I have written in the past and I actually laugh out loud! How is such a thing possible? How can any sane man laugh at jokes he wrote himself? And laugh out loud, at that! A typical example of what makes me laugh is this one: ADVICE TO YOUTH - http://hubpages.com/hub/Advice-to-Youth-1

I am convinced that insanity can best be cured with the assistance of friends, who will rally around the victim with tender solicitousness and grapes, so I shall now implement my father's favorite saying, which was ‘What the hell are friends good for, if you cannot take advantage of them".

Yesterday I posted a hub here called ‘The Divine Right of Kings’ which I thought was hilarious, but friends I know to be much more clever than I, actually thought that it was meant seriously, so I removed it.

With fair warning, I shall now re-post it along with some other thoughts I jot down for possible use in my book as the thought strikes me , in the hope of soliciting your opinion, favorable or otherwise.:

Ricky Gervais

The English language owes Ricky Gervais a debt of gratitude for providing it with an almost insurmountable challenge: How to find an adjective to suitably describe him, without offending the most liberal of judges - and which can be used in, say, a whore house without causing one to be thrown out for moral turpitude.


When people lack true culture or are devoid of innovative ideas, they speak about wine, various brands of alcoholic beverages, or the quality of soap. The ideal of a well-stocked mind aiming at excellence in all walks of life has been replaced by the dream of a well stocked wine cellar, the cellar now being a specially made wine cooler strategically placed in one’s house, to be viewed by even the most unobservant visitor.


In all their dull-witted grandeur and pomposity, they exhibited all the strange snobbery of their servant class mentality, conscious of their spurious origin, expecting to be treated with the contempt they had been trained to believe they deserved. They would recognize poise, grace and self assurance and respond accordingly, but they would kowtow to arrogance, wealth and more so to a title. They had been trained well.

Event the great Samuel Johnson was ready, willing and even anxious to be despised only by the titled.


They considered anyone talking to God, to be a borderline psychotic. Full blown psychosis was when the line was crossed and God started talking back, or they heard other voices.


If he had a fault, it was that of curiosity. He would have stopped to stare at a billboard with the immortal words “Watch this space” stamped across it, even if he had been running from a blood soaked lunatic waving a screaming chainsaw.

Mrs Ethelred

She was known as Mrs Ethelred. She took pride in the nickname because they told her that Ethelred had been an ancient English king, and she assumed that the name was due to her queenly posture. In fact she was named after her husband who had become known as 'Ethelred the Unready' amongst the staff. Mrs Ethelred would insist on complaining to all the girls in the office that her husband refused to give her anal or oral sex, because he, the husband, had been traumatized by the behavior of his father, who had recently “come out” at age fifty five and now went about with a pony tail and a boyfriend.

The M/Y ‘Untaught’.

Unlike all of her surrounding neighbors, this boat had no grace or beauty. She was run down and battered by innumerable collisions over a lifetime that was obviously far beyond the original manufacturer’s planned scrap date. She had been named “Untaught”, Tom Culpeper’s favourite passage from Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet: “O thou untaught! what manners is in this? To press before thy father to a grave?


Misquoting Jane Austen

It is a truth universally acknowledged that a gentleman in possession of a good fortune acquired over a short period of time must be in want of an excellent lawyer and/or must have generally done his bit of time somewhere along the way. This has never been the case with the Culpepers. Honest toil is the family motto.

‘The Divine Right of Kings’

To believe in the divine right of Kings and consequently in the unpolluted bloodlines of kings, is to place more trust in the female connubial felicity of Princesses than history would tend to justify.

The thousands of years which have preceded us, rather support those historians amongst us who believe that unless one has been thrown out of a whore house for moral turpitude - in all likelihood dressed in a Nazi uniform and singing “Old MacDonald Had a Farm” - then one is not really a true descendant of traditional blue blood and is not really suitable to be king.

That avenger of connubial perfidy, the manly icon going by the name of Henry VIII, has shown how unsafe royal bloodlines can be, in the case of his Queen Catherine Howard’s proven affair with the courtier Thomas Culpeper.

In consequence the De Greeks refuse to be accessories to the propagation of a falsehood by joining the crowds which are cheering young men with questionable royal blood in their veins, and the unquestionable heart of a clown in their chests.

As far as the virtue of Princesses is concerned, I can only quote that great man of letters and confirmed royalist, Dr Samuel Johnson:

'My dear Sir, never accustom your mind to mingle virtue and vice. The woman's a whore, and there's an end on't.'


If you can comment on any of the above I shall be ever so grateful, as your comments will be the equivalent in tender solicitousness to those grapes I mentioned above and will help me to understand if I am going in the right direction.

In the meantime, because I plan to use all the above in the book I am currently writing, please consider all of the above to be under my personal copyright.

Dimitris Mita

De Greek

© Copyright 2011. All Rights Reserved. Should you wish to quote any part of this text, please ask for written permission to do so.

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tonymac04 6 years ago from South Africa

I have to confess to having had to Google Ricky Gervais and so perhaps a lot of the deeper, more subtle meanings of this piece have eluded me.

I also have a little difficulty following the flow of this piece - who are the "they" and "him" frequently referred to - uncultured people like me and Ricky Gervais?

And where the hell does Mrs Ethelred fit in? I don't think I've met her.

OK I know I am of limited understanding and so have missed the point entirely! But the writing is otherwise very funny! (You did ask for feedback!)

Love and peace


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Mentalist acer 6 years ago from A Voice in your Mind!

I've found there is a slim line between self-loathing and self-admiration when it comes to writing,neither necessary,neither diminished.;)

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author


'They', and 'Him' and 'Mrs Ethelred' are in the book I am writing and they all make sense in the context they are presented within the book. The above are just extracts from the book, as I could not put too much into this hub.

And you see? If I manage to confuse an intelligent person such as you, what will happen to the average reader? There is no hope, I am done for! :-)))

I am very glad to have your feedback. My cunning plan is to put a smile on the face of anyone insane enough to buy my book :-))

Thank you for your contribution :-)

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author


Brother Mentalist ,

I understand what you mean, but I only feel self admiration and that is the problem. You, with your usual wit, can always bring me down to earth though :-)))

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tonymac04 6 years ago from South Africa

You certainly put a smile on my face! Thanks for that too!

I'll buy your "pennorth philosopher!"

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drbj 6 years ago from south Florida

A Penn'orth Philosopher, dimi? I would rate you at least as a Poun'orth or Sawbuck'orth Philosopher.

Your Mrs. Ethelred was the funniest of this philosophical lot. Ricky would be proud of you.

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sunflowerbucky 6 years ago from Small Town, USA

Knowing now that the passage wasn't in its full context, I would say the writing is fantastic as always! I will admit that yesterday I thought your cheese had slid off your cracker:) Even without knowing the full context, your writing is colorful and witty as always.

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author


This is the Penn'orth Philosopher HUB, period. Free and not for sale. The book itself now, will be called 'The crying Gravedigger' :-)))

AND if and when it is published, you are getting one for free :-))

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author


Mrs Ethelred is a real person and I think that she is hilarious :-)))

AND describing a real person without malice could not possibly be associated with an insensitive worm like Gervais :-))

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author


My cheese and cracker always part ways and I cannot help it :-))

AND I thank you for your kind words :-)

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author


In case you are confused, all the heroes in my book are named after people who have been hanged :-)))

- Hence the name Thomas Culpeper for one of the main characters in my book!

COME ON now! Surely this alone is worth a comment? :-))))

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Nellieanna 6 years ago from TEXAS

My dear Dimitris,

Your Samuel Johnson sums it up best:

"Of all the griefs that harass the distressed,

Sure the most bitter is scornful jest."

___Samuel Johnson

Perhaps I'd "best" wait for the book. . . ?

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author

Nellieanna, My Angel,

Dr Johnson was very good at things like that, but he actually SPECIALIZED in 'scornful jests' himself!

I am a great admirer of his literary talent, but as I think I told you before, in my opinion (after reading him quite carefully), he is a wonderfully enduring & eloquent wit, but not an enduring philosopher. As a philosopher, he was the equivalent of a whole pub full of local Oscar Wildes.

He was against the vote for women, he hated all foreigners, especially Americans - whom he hated with a passion - and he did not have many progressive ideas in general.

So, wait for the book by all means if it pleases you, but it is NOW that I need help from my friends to understand if I am going in the right direction or not :-))


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christopheranton 6 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom

Misquoting Jane Austin was the funniest. The rest I might need to re read a few times. Ricky Gervais is a hard person not to laugh at, but a difficult one to like.

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author

Hi Christopher,

Thank you VERY much for helping me out. Sometimes I jsut put phrases together just because I like the words I come across and I never sure if teh end result actually works. :-)))

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VioletSun 6 years ago from Oregon/ Name: Marie

Now this has more context, (for my mind, that is) as the other hub which I didn't take seriously by the way, seemed incomplete, but the writing was good as usual. The culture paragraph, is my favorite, gave me good visuals of someone jabbering about wine and soap, hehe, and the writing is excellent here too! This is my feedback! :)

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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA

You published‘The Divine Right of Kings’Hub and removed it because people took it too seriously? Hm. So sorry I did not read it, the ideas you mentioned in this Hub, connected with this topic, sound hillarious. And the other ideas as well - I think we will all laugh and enjoy while reading your book.

What is wrong with self-admiration? It just means that you have healthy self-esteem. I think that is the main reason you attract so many people...

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author


I don't know how you put up with me :-)) Many thanks, you are a great help to me :-)


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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author


I am shameless and that is why kind people such as you put up with me and my idiotic experiments. Thank you VERY much for not getting fed up with me despite all my idiocies :-)))


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lisadpreston 6 years ago from Columbus, Ohio

I was here and read it.

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Feline Prophet 6 years ago from India

I'm too scared to comment lest you find me lacking a sense of humour again! :D

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author

Lisa My Love,

Once you clear those 18,000 unread emails, let me know so that I can contact you :-)))

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author


YOU, lacking in humor? Not possible even if you tried. In fact you went straight to the words I really enjoyed myself!

No, the text as it was taken from its context, was confusing to anyone and could easily be taken as a serious thought, as if I cared one way or another. Several friends were confused by this, including my young friend Sunflowerbucky above, whose own writings are sometimes hilarious and certainly no one can accuse her of not having a sense of humor.

And if you don't comment, I shall take me to a nunnery and stop writing. :-)))

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Green Lotus 6 years ago from Atlanta, GA

My favorite was "Curiosity",(more please!)... although Mrs Ethelred (what a hoot), came a close second. You excel at simple, humorous, sophisticated punchlines and I personally prefer prose of uncomplicated biting humor over lengthy, floriferous descriptions that I have to read twice. Cheers!

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author


Hi there Hillary,

Thank you for taking the trouble to pass by, to read and to contribute. As I read, and I do like t read, a phrase of a word will inspire a thought. I write the thought down and later I play around with it until a new idea or phrase is formed. Then I try to fit the result into the book I am writing. :-))

Sometimes I end up with stilted, unnatural sounding phrases, but that's OK, because I can then play around with the whole paragraph and something completely new materializes :-))

A rather odd way of doing things. Your thoughts are very useful to me, thanks :-)0

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Nellieanna 6 years ago from TEXAS

Well, if you insist on a response, I shall try to fill the bill.

I wouldn't advise calling upon Ricky Gervais - at least not until his rudeness as M.C. of the Golden Globe Awards has been forgotten. He would have been on the edge even at a "Roast" of the people he insulted much more at awards for their work. He has no regrets, though, so I suppose that is somewhat admirable for someone with his forked tongue and noticeable forked tail peeking from his tux.

Usually I find that people lacking in culture or ideas dabble mostly in gossip and other trivia, which may include wines and soaps as you mention. I do agree that a well-stocked mind these days is something of a rarity. Even quite thought-provocative questions about meaty subjects seem to fall into the ruts of the minds of those who reply, perhaps religious or provencial ruts, but somehow lacking in a bigger view of the issue being questioned.

I'm not sure I know many really pompous folks, happily. I see some who might pretend pomposity. Is that the sort of thing to which you really refer?

It's been 25 or more years, but I've been known to write to God and answer in his stead. Is that a related example?

I'm with Green Lotus on "Ciuriosity"; that is so funny!!

Mrs Ethelred might fit into any one of the above categories, it would seem to me. I'm not sure how far down the ladder Mr. Ethelred would have to be placed! He is out-of-sight absurd!

So - was "Untaught" named that in her prime or was an original name changed to fit her deteriorization?

That Jane Austen misquote is wonderfully silly and I love it. By the way - it was inserted into the BBC version in a slightly misplaced way. But it was the only way it could be included, since it was Jane Austen's observation and not one of the characters'. So Lizzy got to say it.

I believe we had a more private discussion of the material of 'The Divine Right of Kings' and the probable infidelity of Princesses contributing to those questionable bloodlines, which naturally casts considerable doubt on any claimed purity of such lines. The new additions to the basic premise are certainly provocative - Nazis singing a rural Anglo folksong, especially. But I didn't really "mentally file" much of that earlier discussion for future reference, so I can't be sure about the insertions or deletions. I mainly recall that my explanation of some factors from prehistoric time met with a caustic dismissal or perhaps considerable ennui, so I forgot it too, except for the renewed reminder of Samuel Johnson and some of his questionable alliances among some would-be royal hangers-on, such as Culpepper.

So I am trying to do my bit for your inquiry into reactions to these "notes", though honestly my reaction really was:

"Of all the griefs that harass the distressed,

Sure the most bitter is scornful jest."

It is so seldom that YOU fail to see the subtle message that I'm surprised! You write with such delight and finesse, I can't imagine why you even ask for opinions, unless for some slight sense of "distress" about it? But if not - go for it! I am in no way distressed by it. It's marvelous entertainment!

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author


My Sweet Nellieanna

I detect a note of ‘something’ in your message which I cannot quite define. Perhaps something akin to disappointment. If I have in any way disappointed you, I hope that you will forgive me ;-)

I have put up a photo of the ‘Untaught’ just before she was bought at auction. At the time she was called ‘Sovata’ and it is customary for vessels to be renamed by their new owners when they change hands.

I consider Ricky Gervais to be an unpleasant man, hence the reference to him.

My reference to people lacking in culture makes use of specific things, but those things could vary dramatically and still give the same meaning. In other words, I hope that the meaning of my words goes beyond the examples used as a tool ;-)

People become pompous (in my opinion) when they feel that they are in some way superior to others. I do not think that people can actually ‘pretend’ to be pompous without actually being so…

Your conversing with God brings you within the sphere of what I have described, thereby confirming the exception that makes the rule ;-)))

As to your opnion about ‘curiosity’, you see THAT’S what I find helpful ;-))

I simply LOVE Mrs Ethelred! And she was/is a real person. I simply described the event in my own way ;-)))

Yes, the Jane Austen misquote was placed in the mouth of Lizzy at a very clever point and we have touched on this when we were discussing the book ;-)

As to of 'The Divine Right of Kings', you are treating the subject with seriousness, while my own intend was to present it from the only angle possible for me (since I do not believe that anyone can be born better than someone else – he can BECOME better by working bloody hard at it, but not through the intercourse of two people) and that is the ridiculous one. Hence the uniform et al ;-)

As to your Johnson quotation, it would have had more effect on me, had it been made by someone who was not used to making a habit of “scornful jests”. But then again I might just be too thick to get the subtlety, especially if it is intended to be at my own expense ;-)))

Thank you really very much for taking the trouble to help me out with your very useful comments ;-)


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saddlerider1 6 years ago

DeGreek, I would take Piearse Morgan and Ricky Gervais and put them in the same cauldron and melt their bombastic asses and pour their remains down the sewer. I used to like Ricky but his true arrogant and ugly colors came forth at the Golden Globe awards.

Morgan is simply full of himself and proves that every time he opens his mouth, to think he replaced Larry King? totally unbelievable.

As for the rest of your paragraphs, my friend no matter what you write in short or long form, your wit is beyond reproach, when your book is published I will gladly once informed, run out and purchase a copy. Don't hold back anything my friend, let it fly and be hanged for doing so:0))

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author


Hi there Brother Ken,

I am fumbling my way through my book and receiving feedback from friends here is really helpful to me. Many thanks for your own contribution.

I assure you, I am actually working on that book and I take breaks like this one to keep in touch with people I have come to regard as friends and to seek their input. :-)

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sligobay 6 years ago from east of the equator

DeGreek- I have read some of your Hubs and comments over the years and been amused. I have also admired your work with others on Hubpages and view you with some measure of respect. We have had no relationship or interaction. I consider myself well read and of average intelligence. I might be an objective observer with a reasonably good sense of humor.

I agree with Tony Mac in that I find the segments humorous but there is much lost and to be gained in context. Your sense of humor may or may not sell to the general public but only time will tell. I surround myself with friends who appreciate my sense of humor and comic timing. If I took an extra split second to question my humor, I would have missed many a fine opportunity to exercise my acerbic wit, sarcasm or biting satirical commentary. Context and timing is important with successful humor. It cannot be doubted or debated and come to any good end. Trust your own instincts and sense of humor. When you publish, you can run it up the flagpole and see who salutes.

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author

Thanks, Sligobay :-) - In my case I am fortunate to have made good friends here who share my combination of particular characteristics - character, beliefs, ethics and humor. So before 'running it up the flagpole' I thought I'd ask for their opinion. It's like asking a trusted relative for an opinion on a personal matter. :-)

I appreciate your input and I thank you for your wise words :-)

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Nellieanna 6 years ago from TEXAS

I wrote my comment I'm about to add before I read the last two comments but in essence, it happens to agrees with what Sligo said and, hopefully, what you concur. It is:

Dimitris - If I've helped you in any way, I am glad. You should go forth writing your book with confidence in your instincts for what you want to say & how you want to say it. It can't be a consensus! It's YOURS. Your talent, your judgement and your responsibility. Of course, ultimately readers will decide how they like it. Some may not but many will. Your record of pleasing your readers has been outstanding. No one pleases everyone all the time. But you come close. Don't sweat it!

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Hello, hello, 6 years ago from London, UK

Thank you, De Greek for another typical De greek classic. I love reading it.

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author

Nellieanna, that is a wise approach, which I shall follow from now on, until I finish the book. Thank you for your input. You see? It's worth getting people's opinion :-)))

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author

HH, thank you for your kind words. They give me courage, though reading Nellieanna's comments above, I must now agree with her and I should not pester my friends with bits and pieces all the time :-)))

Thank you again for everything :-)

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Nellieanna 6 years ago from TEXAS

You don't pester us, dear Dimitris. But it does dilute your flow and possibly inserts either doubt of your instinct or overconfidence in our opinions, whereas YOU are the writer and the AUTHORity on your AUTHORship. You are the creator and it is from within YOU that the good humor and often, some wisdom, flow freely when you just WRITE.

What Sligo mentioned about how easily the moments of creativity could be missed or at least, distorted by taking time to run them by others whose opinions about them are, actually "cold calls" - whereas your own inspiration is vibrating with its own heat and light. Why bother with others' opinions until you're finished and ready to put it out for the real test in your published book?

Also - from what I hear, you'll get ample opportunity for opinions from publishers and their crews. They may not have the affection and connection with YOU which we do, but that means their opinions are objective & to see whether or not it will actually fly. The more authentically YOU it is, the better it should fly. That's my opinion. And really - if not on that basis, why bother? You can do it- so hop to it!! You know we are on your side! You've proven your mettle with this small readership. Go for the bigger pond!

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author


You are right, Kid. Agreed. I shall be a good boy and trot on trusting my own instincts. Thank you VERY much for your help :-)

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Nellieanna 6 years ago from TEXAS

:-) ~~~

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tonymac04 6 years ago from South Africa

Dimitris - you see I love you so much I even come back to your Hub a third time! LOL! I look foward to the book very much.

It was at least partly the image of being thrown out of a whorehouse for moral turpitude that drew me back! I really have to look into this Gervais fellow to find out what could possibly arouse such an image from you! Brilliant!

Thanks for another laugh or three - even if I don't get the full impact yet!

Love and peace


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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author


You cannot imagine how pleased I am after reading your kind comment. Thank you :-)

Ricky Gervais recently acted as M.C. at the last Golden Globe Awards and he was obnoxiously rude to everyone, including people who helped his career. His viciousness made front page news and made me despise him, hence the comment.

Comments out of context cannot have the full impact, but it is the words I enjoy so much!

Thank you again for your kindness :-))

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SilentReed 6 years ago from Philippines

It is daunting for a country bumpkin to comment on your hubs more so on one that deals with culture.But De Greek might deign to hear from one of his lowly admirers?

The question that comes to mind is whether you are planning to write a bestseller for general readership or a tome that will sit and gather dust in an archive of documents and records to be referred to once in a while in the footnote of a dissertation paper or an annotation to be appended at the end of an article ?;) Perhaps Hemmingway's advice to writers "Short sentences"....? I jest of course :))

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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author

Friend SilentReed, taking modesty to such extreme ends is a good way of making a point, but such modesty is not convincing in your case :-)))

Your advice is welcome and I thank you for it. At the moment I write mainly for myself. Because I have made friends with similar characteristics as I, it is inevitable that some of my friends might find some parts of what I write readable. THAT gives me tremendous pleasure. However,, your point is very valid and frankly I do not expect to see my book published :-))))

Thank you for your very appropriate and helpful comment :-)

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lisadpreston 6 years ago from Columbus, Ohio

LOL. I am down to 14,000 emails to clear out. But you may contact me anytime. The current ones show up first and as I promised, I will check much more often. This hub was far out of my league so I'm not touching it with a ten foot pole. I did let you know that I was here tho. MUAAAH!

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Christopher Price 6 years ago from Vermont, USA


I have read and reread this hub at least once a day since you published it, but I have been hesitant to commit to commenting. Your format of listing disjointed topics with droll insights taken out of context contributes to a "Henny Youngman Effect"...where the performance consists of a series of "one liners". Unlike fishing for compliments it seems more akin to chumming for chuckles...toss a handful and see what bites.

I just mean that it is difficult to compliment the chef after just tasting a sampling of ingredients.

Being one of the "uncultured", (I don't eat yogurt), I hesitate to make this analogy, but I do find it apropos: Humor is much like wine, there are myriad types to appeal to various tastes...from an effervescent and fruity Spumanti to a Chateauneuf du Pape so dry it seems to evaporate on your tongue. A person can enjoy many different flavors, but often it is the context or the circumstances that contribute most to the experience.

Although I didn't wake anyone in the house chortling with glee while reading this hub, it did give me pleasure and plenty of smiles. De Greek truly shines through, and it is your wit and wisdom and singular slant on things that makes me look forward to reading everything you write.

Please continue.


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De Greek 6 years ago from UK Author

CP, thank you. I think. :-))

I use you lot, whom I like to think of as my friends, as sounding boards at times, to clear up my own thoughts. But as Nellieanna says, sometimes one should just go ahead without testing and this I shall try to do from now on.

Thank you for helping me out with your own thoughts :-)

And you don't eat yoghurt??? What is this world coming to? :-)))

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