Bill Cosby is Guilty

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Bill Cosby is a very funny man. An iconic performer who remains at the top of his game in comedy. He was like a father-figure to many who watched his 80's TV show. It is hard to believe that such a lovable, old man (he is now 77) could or would be guilty of raping wannabe stars who idolized him from the seventies through eighties. Many of us, me included, had never heard of the allegations before, at least, I do not recall them. For those who did, no doubt, they dismissed them as baseless claims to get money from a rich and famous star. That does happen.

Bill Cosby has been mum on the entire subject. He was mum back when the first were voiced and using his PR staff and attorney to do the talking. We are talking decades now this has been going on. Granted, he probably has stopped this behavior long ago, my guess is by the early 90s, if not, late 80s. The allegations are decades old, yet, they continue to ring by a chorus of women's voices, of which, only one, took him to court in 2004 or so and what did Cosby do?

He settled out of court.

He settled. A person who is 100% not guilty, with tons of money in legal staff, simply would not settle. The amount settled is undisclosed but why did he settle? Because on the plaintiff's side were at least 5-6 other women willing to testify of similar conduct that happened to them. The same modis operandi was used- pills to relax the victim and when she was unable to respond, he raped them. In all, 14 or so women have come forth all stating similar circumstances and in one case, she refused and then he attacked her but was able to escape.

If there was absolutely no truth to any of this, there would not be so many women alleging the same MO that Cosby used to sexually attack them. None of the women know one another and none have sought money. They simply want a very belated sense of justice done. Too many years have now passed for legal remedies, but in the court of public opinion, it has not. His new show was cancelled because even the networks felt there was some truth to them.

The 14 women are the smoking gun. Fans that state otherwise, are simply refusing to believe such disgusting behavior from their father-like figure. But history shows, such figures do commit such deeds on their daughters. No one wants this to be true because Cosby has been a great role model for many and of his status, yet, there are elements of truth. Seeds that must plant doubt about his innocence that one cannot just ignore.

Based on what we see of the victims, Cosby seemed to prefer non-black women when he was younger. He preferred those who were trying to "make it" in acting because of his already star status. Perhaps the date rape drug one slips into a drink, which is tasteless, was not available then, which is why he offered them relaxation pills. Perhaps, some of the women had got so drunk they passed out and Cosby pounced on them. That danger is always present in college parties.

But when Cosby recently told a reporter to check the facts, well, they all have. Just because he was not charged and convicted does not make him innocent, which he seems to be alluding to. Remaining silent is making him appear guilty, yet saying anything about the 14 women would be PR nightmare.

At his age, he could die at anytime. We all know it. His defense is just to remain silent because he is just too old to deal with the deeds of his younger days. He will take them to the grave.

But, Cosby is guilty.

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RachaelOhalloran 2 years ago from United States

He probably will take them all to the grave and years from now there will be accounts printed applauding his greatness but expounding on his faults - lots of tell all books.

The fact that one settles a dispute out of court does not always mean they are guilty. Nor does it mean they are innocent. Often they do it to avoid repercussions of something that is in the offing, that will come up on the heels of the dispute. In this case, 13 or 14 more women and more bad publicity to taint his career.

I don't know why he wants to continue working at his age. Surely he has enough income from royalties of his body of work. He should just fade into the sunset, in my opinion.

Keeping silent is just good counsel. It doesn't mean anything about guilt one way or the other. However, the more one speaks to an issue, the more what they say (and how they say it) can be misconstrued, taken out of context, read into looking for more to the story.

What I'd like to see is one of his daughters, or younger female relatives come forward to say they have knowledge of some of the incidents or their aftermath. Fat chance, his wife will ever come forward; she stands to lose a lot.

But I'm just saying that if any relatives did come forward to support the allegations, it will put a lot of this to rest.

But we all know that none of that will happen until he is dead and gone. He has enough money to hush everyone up while he is alive.

He can't control anything after he is dead.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

Keeping silent is a double edged sword to those accused. Being silent does infer guilt of some sort to most people. I am sure he is just weathering the storm. Tainted or not, he will remain earning income.


Esquivel 2 years ago

Bill Cosby IS GUILTY, along with his wife, Camille, & several others that were close to him because they knew he was a pervert! Too Bad/Sad that too much time has passed!!! There are several folks that I know that will never see Bill as a decent man again. I can't see him without getting sick to my stomach. I would like for the media to ask Bill these questions: what if these sexual assaults were done to your daughters or maybe you have done this to your daughters? Maybe this is why one of your daughters has been admitted for help with drug abuse.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

Maybe. I can't see him as I use to.


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bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

perrya

You wrote

He settled. A person who is 100% not guilty, with tons of money in legal staff, simply would not settle

bmOC

Innocent until proven Guilty in a court of law.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

In many such cases, settling is akin to Nolo contendre in criminal cases, where the person makes a deal for a lesser charge or time. Settling is how many rich people keep dirty deeds from being exposed to the media and it is far easier!


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bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

perrya

I beg to differ, nolo contendre is a pleading to a charge, while settling a civil matter is business.The former is guilt, while the latter is liability.

Leona Helmsley and Martha Smith both went to Jail, and they are rich.

Besides settling a civil matter doesn't preclude the state from pursuing a crime.

In a court of law there is judge, a jury, which can also be the judge, a prosecutor and a defense attorney. They go over the evidence and they make a decision, and that is the time that guilty or not guilty of the charge is decided. Till that point the person is not guiltyby definition.

The other exception is if the defendant pleads, guillty or nolo contendre.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

Thanks for clarification, but the fact remains that the state would probably not seek criminal resolution since the grand jury decided Wilson was no fault, at least, not enough evidence to support the DA to prosecute and win. The difference between guilt and liability is a thin line. Someone who wins money for the other party's liability, wrongful death, which this not, civilly, infers by evidence they were guilty of negligence. To most people, it is guilty.


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bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

perrya

I am confused, I thought we werer talking about Bill Cosby.

As for the Michael Brown killing, how would the prosecution go to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't self defense.

Does Michael Brown represent the entire black population in America. As for making this a Civil Rights Issue, it lacks any plausible connection to a race isuse..

The reason that Michael Brown was stopped in the first place was based on his incident in the convenience store.

So there was no racial profiling, no random selection for stopping him. He had been reported by the shop keeper as being violent and that is the incident he was being stopped for by Officer Wilson.

If Officer Wilson was aware of those details, then he would have been cautious as Michael Brown was a big person. Also, if there was a struggle for the officer's gun, then if Brown attacked him again, he might have taken the weapon away from officer Wilson, and that is why he feared for his life.

This is not a Rodney King incident, that had multiple officers beating him with their batons, and having the film footage to vrify their actions.

So making this a civil rghts issue is the read problme here.

if Fergsson is most a town of blacks, and the police force is mostly white, then every police encounter would probably by a white officer on a black citizen. If the black population has a problem with the color of the police, then elect their own mayor and chief of police. But it is not realistic and totally rcist as well.

For example, Compton California was a prsdominantly black population, but now over the years it is a Latino community, but it is still a predominantly black police department and local government. So do we have to replace the black police with Latino police to avoid racism accusations.?

The Blacks in America have never had it so good as they do today. We have a two term black president, and a black Attorney General. The numberof blacks on TV and in commercials has dramatically increased since Obama took the presidency. The problem is that the blacks have done little to change their image of being on welfare, and associated as a criminal elements. Having America turn Ostrich and stick their heads in the sand just to ignore the obvious to avoid the PC racism doesn't remove the core problem.

Everything is not a racist issue, and the recent violent and destructive protests don't help generate a better image.

These protests of today by the ACLU and the liberal organizations haven't changed much since the 1960s, as fifty years later the black have not changed their image.

Just in case the issue was about Fergusan.

Thanks


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perrya 2 years ago Author

Ooops, that was my bad, wrong issue! Thanks for the Ferguson remarks, I can't disagree.


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bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

perrya

Have a great Thanksgiving


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fpherj48 24 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

perrya.....I just came from commenting several times on Tilsontitan's hub about our Mr. Serial Rapist Cosby. Most of the comments are interesting, but it astounds me the number of people who just can't seem to decide what they think or are wondering "how" this could happen now after so many years, etc etc.

I appreciate your article perry.....very rational and factual. I hesitate to repeat a lot of what I wrote in comment to Tillie's hub, but I'll be briefer here.

Celebrities.....even popular, much-loved celebrities are before all this, Human Beings. What the general public, especially "fans" seem to be hesitant to do is simply separate the high profile "character" from the ordinary, flesh & blood MAN/woman.

Highly respected and loved Drs, Dentists, Judges & Lawyers have committed crimes against women.....Baby-faced, smiley, publicly perfect husband and father TIGER Woods.....no need to go there. It seriously defies all logic, IMO...to not simply place the "celebrity status," "public image" "onscreen character" apart from the reality that these are human beings...people....men.....just like the guy next door.

It was NOT Dr. Huxstable who drugged and raped these women ((BTW, the count is up to 20 women now who have come forward).....it was Bill Cosby.....It wasn't Fat Albert, the funny cartoon character.......it was Bill Cosby.

Fame, wealth and enormous fan admiration makes these men feel truly untouchable, invincible and even INVISIBLE.

20 women, who know that they can no longer press charges or make any money from this.....have come forward with their nearly-identical memories of being manipulated, drugged and raped......violated in the most egregious way. ALL of them have lived with this for decades. Some DID report the incident...or at least repeat it to a friend, family member, Dr or police. One woman spoke of how she was literally laughed at and thrown out of an Attorney's office. WHO WOULD BELIEVE THEM?' was a question each one of them had to deal with

Some have actually mentioned these women want attention or 5 min. of fame??!! What's WRONG with these people? The public scrutiny, embarrassment, judgement and reliving a nightmare are NOT the desire of any woman anywhere!

Thank you for writing this. I wanted to write a Cosby hub, but I need to wait until my anger and outrage subsides. Just the photos of him on the internet literally turn my stomach.

I am sharing, pinning & tweeting this...UP+++


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perrya 24 months ago Author

Thanks, he is so guilty which is why he remains so silent.


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fpherj48 24 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Yet, he had the NERVE to show up to a public performance....and sit there as though absolutely nothing is ALL OVER THE MEDIA and life is just as normal as blueberry pie.

I just read last night where many of the events on his forthcoming schedule have been CANCELLED....and not by him or his agent, but by those who had booked him.

This is another thing that makes my blood boil. He's 77 years old and a multi-billionaire to say the least.......It is long overdue he just fade into the sunset and live a quiet life and stay OFF the stage!


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bradmasterOCcal 24 months ago from Orange County California

perrya the vigilante


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perrya 24 months ago Author

@bard-you are just a naysayer. I was, like many, a fan of cosby. He was hilarious. But, this past action have caught up with him at the end of his life. Too many women have just said the same things about being sexually assaulted.


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bradmasterOCcal 24 months ago from Orange County California

perrya

This has nothing to do with Cosby, I don't care one way or the other, I never watched his show.l

The media and the people are not the designated Judge and Jury and you keeping ducking this question.

It is not your business, and all it does to muck around with opinions that have no personal basis to you is to taint any juries that might take the case.

The media needs to get back to Reporting the news, and not making the news.

Thanks


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fpherj48 24 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Congratulations to you,brad.....even scumbags deserve to be defended against their provable, documented, repeated, publicly known, collaborated sleezy crimes. Public figures, celebrities, athletes & people in high PUBLIC places and positions have no choice in the matter to have their lives in the spotlight. Can't have it both ways.

It is the JOB of the media....it is everyone's business and right to speak their minds, express opinions and discuss the NEWS.

Criminals have a personal basis to each and every law-abiding citizen. It IS our concern and our business.

Choose your own media source or outlet...or none at all. Don't mess with the American citizen's right to free speech.......forming our own opinions and being able to add 2 + 2. Not many of us wish to be blind deaf, dumb and a champion for the low-life's of the world.

No one is asking YOU to care. If you choose not to this is your own choice. Whether or not you ever watched his show has absolutely NO bearing on this story. He is Bill Cosby the human being......he is NOT any of his "characters' portrayed on TV or screen. and beyond a shadow of a doubt, Bill Cosby IN THE RATIONAL OPINION OF MANY....IS A SERIAL RAPIST, WHO LIKE MOSY WEALTHY, HIGH PROFILE PERSONALITIES BELIEVED HE WAS IMMUNE TO DECENCY, THE LAW AND RETRIBUTION. News Flash: He's NOT!


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bradmasterOCcal 24 months ago from Orange County California

fpherj48

Thanks to the 1st amendment you can call them anything you want, but

"Criminals have a personal basis to each and every law-abiding citizen. It IS our concern and our business."

Bill Cosby is not yet a criminal, so why should you or the media make that determination.

Innocent Until Proven Guilty in a Court of Law?

You and PerryA totally missed the point.

It is not your job or your business to say anyone is guilty of a crime, or put 2+3 together, that is why we have a Criminal Justice System, and at this point you are not part of it.

Once again, my point is that this applies to anyone, not just celebrities.

If you don't agree with the current criminal justice system, then elect people that will change it to your liking.

I am having a very difficult time getting this point across on this hub. Tell me where I am wrong, or how you are right?

So far, I haven't seen any evidence to support your view.

What am I missing

BTW, I think the legal system in the US is broken, in both the criminal and civil systems. But that doesn't change my view on the current point.


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fpherj48 24 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

brad.....All due respect, I'm not playing a game with you, "Who is right and who is wrong?" No where did I infer that you are right or wrong...nor that I am either. I suggested you refrain from attempting to silence an American citizen from voicing their opinion. You are not "part of the criminal justice system at this point" either, brad.....so you might want to back off with the "gag order"...which is not YOUR job.

I may not speak for perry, but I have missed NO point. Our correspondence has in no way been lengthy nor complex enough for you to assume to make that determination about me.

I do tend to agree with you that you are having a very difficult time getting your point across. So far, the only point you've made is that the accused is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That's not actually news to any of us. We're all well aware of this.

YOU seem to be having the most difficulty understanding that each & every American citizen has the right of free speech and may express their opinions, free from the fear of being executed.

So far you haven't "seen any evidence" to support my view? I didn't ask for your support nor do I need it to be confident in my rationalization. (Note my comment above referring to blind, deaf & dumb, please).....then your question, "What am I missing?" easily becomes moot.

It's been wonderful sparring with you, Mr. Orange County. My eldest son lives there. perhaps one day we shall cross paths. Hopefully there will be something far more interesting to discuss rather than just another garden variety scum bucket serial rapist, hiding behind his celebrity....which is at the very least a full decade beyond RETIREMENT time. I mean, the poor guy MUST be exhausted!!


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bradmasterOCcal 24 months ago from Orange County California

fpherj48

I never attacked you, I asked you questions.

What is the purpose of this hub for you?

I don't believe that you do understand Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

I asked questions of you and perrya and the answers were not forthcoming. That was the purpose of my comments and when the author goes silent, it is time to leave.

bye


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perrya 24 months ago Author

Well, like any issue, there are two opinions as for Bill Cosby. Innocence until proven guilty is a lofty ideal but there have been plenty of cases where an innocent person was put in jail for years. IS Bill Cosby truly innocent? The number of women , now 20, claim the same things. There is a man in 1984 who also said that he was called by a woman friend who went home with Cosby and found herself drugged, numb, not in her clothes, when the man arrived to save her. Cosby simply said she drank too much, but the condition the man found her in told a different story. Cosby was sued in 2004-5 for this and instead of proving his innocence at trial, he settled. While the cases are too old for criminality, Cosby is being investigated and the stories of the women. Now, a staunch Cosby supporter would continue to hang to what you say. But there fewer and fewer of them because of so many women. His silence is implicit of some sort of guilt. Even if only ONE woman was really raped, he is getting away with too much because of his fame status. His reputation has been demolished to a certain degree, as it should. A wolf in sheep clothing.


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fpherj48 24 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

brad...I believe you would need to ask the writer their purpose to their hub. As for my comment/input.....It is written in clear, concise English and requires no further explanation. I have already stated I am not playing the who is right, who is wrong game with you. I'm exercising my right to state my opinion on a matter that has made daily news for weeks now. Period. The end.

Ay least you have caused me hardy laughter.....(I don't understand Innocent until proven guilty??)......My late husband HAD A 44 YEAR CAREER AS AN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL DEFENSE ATTORNEY. (Juris Doctorate) Thank you for my morning comedy.

You must be confused. perry hasn't gone silent at all. Serial Rapist Cosby has gone dead silent. You have a wonderful day brad. Keep your focus on the news.


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perrya 24 months ago Author

My intent is to support all those women who were harmed by Cosby. I see no reason why after so many years, 20 of them would suddenly come out and say the similar experiences happened. I was a Cosby fan, but he is now disgusting, IMO.

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